Has Obama Done Enough for American Blacks?

[patrickt]

"Bernard Anderson, a pathbreaking African-American economist, understands the importance of rhetoric. He was up front at the Lincoln Memorial when Martin Luther King Jr. gave his historic “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963. And he was in the audience on the Howard University campus in 1965 to hear President Johnson deliver a grim view of the state of black America and declare war on “past injustice and present prejudice.”

So Anderson had high hopes as he sat at home in Pennsylvania watching President Obama deliver his second Inaugural Address this year. He wanted Obama to acknowledge that even five decades after Johnson’s stirring oration, African-Americans in today’s America still struggle against discrimination. And when the president started talking about “We, the people,” the veteran civil-rights champion grew excited. “As he was going through ‘We, the people’ and ‘We, the people,’ my heart started to beat,” Anderson said. But just as fast, his spirits sank. “I didn’t find me among the people he was talking about.”
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/has-obama-done-enough-for-black-americans-20130404?mrefid=skybox

President Obama is a racist and will use the rhetoric whenever he needs to but he doesn't like Americans or the country. He hasn't done anything for anyone. Why should blacks be special for him except when he needs to exploit them? I am truly sorry Bernard Anderson was so dense it took two elections for him to figure it out.

And a plea now for President Obama to be more racist won't do Mr. Anderson any good, President Obama any good, or the country any good. Of those three, only one interests President Obama.

[Ransom]

I agree with a lot of that.

[Cigar]

Keep Hope Alive :grin:

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[Chris]

Obama must be a great disappointment to those who put hope in him to change things. The worst thing about Obama is not his racism but his partisanship, his putting party above principle, his putting winning above all. Some still fall for that.

[Ransom]

I'll give an example that I personally feel is racist to some degree. Where I'm not normally a Juan Williams fan, he recently wrote an editorial piece that I thought spot on. The issue of race in this recent gun debate. Not going on a tangent here, Williams was basically claiming race couldn't be ignored in that debate...and made some great points using relevant stats. One of them being since 1979, 44,000+ black children have died here in America from gun violence....

...and it made me ponder....

...why wouldn't a Senator Obama be all over this? He was "from" Chicago, a front burner city for gun violence. I'm not diminishing the horrors of what happened in Newtown, that was an almost unprecented event, but why does it take a school shooting in a white suburb to get people who are supposedly so anti-gun off their arse? I think it almost stinks of racism as patrickt alleges here. At the very least it seems disingenuous. How can anyone today put a straight face on and pretend to be so anti-gun agenda driven to "protect children".....when we've had a holocaust in our inner cities going on for decades?

Especially this President. From Chicago. Got elected without the rampant violence in his city even being a campaign issue. And all of the sudden, he's supposedly all concerned.........I just don't buy it. I think he's an opportunist. Even racist as p claims.

[Cigar]

Obama must be a great disappointment to those who put hope in him to change things. The worst thing about Obama is not his racism but his partisanship, his putting party above principle, his putting winning above all. Some still fall for that.

Must be ...

Maybe ...

Could be ...

Should be ...


Who are these "be's" and what are their names?

The last I checked ... there was more than 42 Million Black's in the 2010 Census ...

So who is this path-breaking, earth-shacking well known African-American economist (Barnyard Anderson) that no one has ever quoted on this for before?

But hey ... if he makes you happy, gives you hope and that special tinkle in the right place ... why not have him run for President on the Republican ticket? :wink: Should help with the Black Vote ... if he's has the correct ID.

[Chris]

Must be ...

Maybe ...

Could be ...

Should be ...


Who are these "be's" and what are their names?

The last I checked ... there was more than 42 Million Black's in the 2010 Census ...

So who is this path-breaking, earth-shacking well known African-American economist (Barnyard Anderson) that no one has ever quoted on this for before?

But hey ... if he makes you happy, gives you hope and that special tinkle in the right place ... why not have him run for President on the Republican ticket? :wink: Should help with the Black Vote ... if he's has the correct ID.

You're a partisan, aren't you.

[Cigar]

I'll give an example that I personally feel is racist to some degree. Where I'm not normally a Juan Williams fan, he recently wrote an editorial piece that I thought spot on. The issue of race in this recent gun debate. Not going on a tangent here, Williams was basically claiming race couldn't be ignored in that debate...and made some great points using relevant stats. One of them being since 1979, 44,000+ black children have died here in America from gun violence....

...and it made me ponder....

...why wouldn't a Senator Obama be all over this? He was "from" Chicago, a front burner city for gun violence. I'm not diminishing the horrors of what happened in Newtown, that was an almost unprecented event, but why does it take a school shooting in a white suburb to get people who are supposedly so anti-gun off their arse? I think it almost stinks of racism as patrickt alleges here. At the very least it seems disingenuous. How can anyone today put a straight face on and pretend to be so anti-gun agenda driven to "protect children".....when we've had a holocaust in our inner cities going on for decades?

Especially this President. From Chicago. Got elected without the rampant violence in his city even being a campaign issue. And all of the sudden, he's supposedly all concerned.........I just don't buy it. I think he's an opportunist. Even racist as p claims.

Well ... if you say it enough times ... maybe it will have a longer life than the Birth Certificate thang :laugh:

[Ransom]

Well ... if you say it enough times ... maybe it will have a longer life than the Birth Certificate thang :laugh:

My point is that Obama should have said it more times then....if he's to be taken seriously now. Some Observers however, believe anything he says.

You one of those?

[Cigar]

My point is that Obama should have said it more times then....if he's to be taken seriously now. Some Observers however, believe anything he says.

You one of those?

Are you saying some of the 42 Million? :grin: Or is your brush not wide enough?

[Ransom]

Are you saying some of the 42 Million? :grin: Or is your brush not wide enough?

I apologize up front. I'm new to the forum so you're going to have to explain your abuse of grammar above. I asked you a question in that last post.....it's the sentence with the lil ? on the end. That's called a question or query during any healthy intellectually curious conversation.

You responded.....with two more ?'s

So let's try again.....are you a rather strong supporter of President Obama.....correct?

[Cigar]

I apologize up front. I'm new to the forum so you're going to have to explain your abuse of grammar above. I asked you a question in that last post.....it's the sentence with the lil ? on the end. That's called a question or query during any healthy intellectually curious conversation.

You responded.....with two more ?'s

So let's try again.....are you a rather strong supporter of President Obama.....correct?


Here's you're answer to "are you a rather strong supporter of President Obama" ?

Yes I am a Strong Supporter, registered Democrat and a UN-apologetic Progressive who voted for the man who won the last two Pestilential Elections.

How about you sport ... are you a Strong Supporter of John McCain and Mitt Romney, you know the two losers of the last two Presidential Elections?

[roadmaster]

I don't think he has done enough for Americans. His concern seems to be with illegals and other countries.

[Cigar]

I don't think he has done enough for Americans. His concern seems to be with illegals and other countries.

I know dam well he hasn't done enough for Americans ... but how much are you expecting him to do all by himself, when you have an entire Political Party dedicated to making sure that everything The President of The United States does or want to do, comes with Obstruction, Filibustering and and complete opposition without end.

Hell this President is in his second term and he still has as many as 78 Justices waiting to be confirmed ...

Name one (1) President who has had to deal with that, just name one?

We can't and we all know exactly why.

[roadmaster]

He could start by bring our troops home like he said 4 years ago, stop opening the borders that replace many of our peoples jobs, and giving the taxpayer's money to other countries and then saying we are broke and have to eliminate Americans that need help.

[Ransom]

Here's you're answer to "are you a rather strong supporter of President Obama" ?

Yes I am a Strong Supporter, registered Democrat and a UN-apologetic Progressive who voted for the man who won the last two Pestilential Elections.

Go figure! Blind defender more like it, but I knew you were one of the flock. You baaaaaa like one.


How about you sport ... are you a Strong Supporter of John McCain and Mitt Romney, you know the two losers of the last two Presidential Elections?


Didn't support either during primary, voted for both. Voted for Bush twice as well.

[jillian]

Obama must be a great disappointment to those who put hope in him to change things. The worst thing about Obama is not his racism but his partisanship, his putting party above principle, his putting winning above all. Some still fall for that.

funny that you're bemoaning the disappointment of "those who put hope in him" while in the same breath complaining that he is a "racist".

one... you didn't vote for him, so don't cry about the "disappointment" you think others have.
two... that disappointment if any, is due to him thinking that the far right would ever compromise with him and as a result offering up some of the pet positions of the left as fodder for such compromise.
three... you lost; you hate him; and short of him relinquishing his office to a rightwinger, i doubt you'd approve of him.

i look forward to you addressing with specificity the purportedly "racist" positions the president has taken.

thank you in advance.

[jillian]

Go figure! Blind defender more like it, but I knew you were one of the flock. You baaaaaa like one.



Didn't support either during primary, voted for both. Voted for Bush twice as well.

so in other words, if you vote straight GOP, that's just ok...

but if someone else votes straight democratic, they're sheep?

you want to reconsider that?

[roadmaster]

one... you didn't vote for him, so don't cry about the "disappointment" So are you saying just because I didn't vote for Obama or Bush I don't have a right to be disappointed? We all live here if we voted them in or not and what they do affects us.

[Cigar]

Go figure! Blind defender more like it, but I knew you were one of the flock. You baaaaaa like one.



Didn't support either during primary, voted for both. Voted for Bush twice as well.

.. thanks for 2 Wars

[nic34]

So are you saying just because I didn't vote for Obama or Bush I don't have a right to be disappointed? We all live here if we voted them in or not and what they do affects us.

No, he was addressing the disappointment of those that voted for him.


Obama must be a great disappointment to those who put hope in him to change things. The worst thing about Obama is not his racism but his partisanship, his putting party above principle, his putting winning above all. Some still fall for that.

[jillian]

So are you saying just because I didn't vote for Obama or Bush I don't have a right to be disappointed? We all live here if we voted them in or not and what they do affects us.

the premise of the o/p was that the people who counted on him were disappointed. he wasn't talking about people who would never have voted for him in the first place.

i'd also point out that the people who voted for him, voted for him again ... most people understand they don't get everything they might want.

[nic34]

most people understand they don't get everything they might want.

I'm beginning to wonder....

[jillian]

I'm beginning to wonder....

i understand.

[roadmaster]

I'm beginning to wonder....

Why, did he not promise to bring the troops home? Or is that just something you say to yourself, "oh well"?

[Cigar]

the premise of the o/p was that the people who counted on him were disappointed. he wasn't talking about people who would never have voted for him in the first place.

i'd also point out that the people who voted for him, voted for him again ... most people understand they don't get everything they might want.

Yea ... but Filibustering EVERYTHING?

I heard a rumor that Obama said he'd Cut Welfare to 0% and the GOP said NO before he completed the statement. :grin:

They said it had to be a Socialist Trick.

[nic34]

Why, did he not promise to bring the troops home? Or is that just something you say to yourself, "oh well"?

I'm beginning to wonder if

most people understand they don't get everything they might want.

[Cigar]

Why, did he not promise to bring the troops home? Or is that just something you say to yourself, "oh well"?

Can you image what the Neo-Hawks would say if Obama said ... Pack it up ... we outa here :laugh:

[Chris]

I'm beginning to wonder if

Reminds me of old Ford's adage that a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away.

[Peter1469]

I know dam well he hasn't done enough for Americans ... but how much are you expecting him to do all by himself, when you have an entire Political Party dedicated to making sure that everything The President of The United States does or want to do, comes with Obstruction, Filibustering and and complete opposition without end.

Hell this President is in his second term and he still has as many as 78 Justices waiting to be confirmed ...

Name one (1) President who has had to deal with that, just name one?

We can't and we all know exactly why.


It sounds like you are talking about Bush! :shocked:

[simpsonofpg]

It was an interest statistic. If 44,000+ blacks have died how many were killed by blacks. for that matter how many of all the killing or all races were killed by blacks and white. I think the numbers are going to be staggering.

[nic34]

It sounds like you are talking about Bush! :shocked:

Of 856 federal district and circuit court seats, 85 are unfilled — a 10 percent vacancy rate and nearly double the rate at this point in the presidency of George W. Bush. More than a third of the vacancies have been declared “judicial emergencies” based on court workloads and the length of time the seats have been empty. By far the most important cause of this unfortunate state of affairs is the determination of Senate Republicans, for reasons of politics, ideology and spite, to confirm as few of President Obama’s judicial choices as possible.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/opinion/sunday/federal-courts-without-judges.html?_r=0

[Mister D]

It was an interest statistic. If 44,000+ blacks have died how many were killed by blacks. for that matter how many of all the killing or all races were killed by blacks and white. I think the numbers are going to be staggering.

The vast majority of them were killed by other blacks but that's soemthingt we don't mention when we speak of our fictitious gun problem.

[roadmaster]

Can you image what the Neo-Hawks would say if Obama said ... Pack it up ... we outa here :laugh:
Looks like Obama is one.

[roadmaster]

The vast majority of them were killed by other blacks but that's soemthingt we don't mention when we speak of our fictitious gun problem.

It's not racist to tell the truth. Our country would be considered one of the safest places if it wasn't for black on black crime.

[Mister D]

It's not racist to tell the truth. Our country would be considered one of the safest places if it wasn't for black on black crime.

It would certainly have a gun crime rate similar to other developed countries.

[Greenridgeman]

It's not racist to tell the truth. Our country would be considered one of the safest places if it wasn't for black on black crime.


Take out black on black crime, black on white crime, and white on white suicides, and the "gun problem" is no problem at all.

[patrickt]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Cigar http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=263571#post263571)
"I know dam well he hasn't done enough for Americans ... but how much are you expecting him to do all by himself, when you have an entire Political Party dedicated to making sure that everything The President of The United States does or want to do, comes with Obstruction, Filibustering and and complete opposition without end.

Hell this President is in his second term and he still has as many as 78 Justices waiting to be confirmed ...

Name one (1) President who has had to deal with that, just name one?

We can't and we all know exactly why."

Poor Cigar. It must be early onset Alzheimer's. He can't remember, or has never heard about, Ronald Reagan's administrations or the most recent President Bush's. Or, I suppose he's quite healthy and is just lying and whining again.

[Ransom]

.. thanks for 2 Wars

Don't forget to thank your Congress that authorized and paid for it. Senators Clinton, Kerry for example. And then Senator Obama funded both wars while Senator.

oops.

[Ransom]

so in other words, if you vote straight GOP, that's just ok...

but if someone else votes straight democratic, they're sheep?

you want to reconsider that?

Actually no, not in other words, you wrote that, I didn't.

I actually voted for a number of Democrats, many here on the local school board. Not that I agree with their politics, but several I know actually do very much care about children and regardless of political standing, making it all about the children in our schools I can respect. Voted for a few other local officials, voted for one House Member from my district who was a Democrat although admittedly some time ago.

However, let's not lose focus. We're speaking about one politician....Obama....and the unrelenting ridiculousness of his defenders. A sheepish mentality lasting from swaying to his teleprompter speeches to posts you see from some observers in here. The 'Republicans' made him do it, he's filibustered all the time, he's opposed from left and right..'

He's got more flip flops than a Jimmy Buffet Concert, his glaring lack of leadership skills so obvious, his defenders look ridiculous trying to in fact defend.

I take humor in that, why is that an issue for you?

[nic34]

Don't forget to thank your Congress that authorized and paid for it. Senators Clinton, Kerry for example. And then Senator Obama funded both wars while Senator.

oops.

There were the 21 Senate Democrats - along with one Republican and one Independent - who voted against the war resolution.

And 126 of 207 House Democrats voted against the resolution as well.

How many repubs voted against it again?

But you'll sit there and blame the dems for not stopping the republicans.

What a fool.

[Chris]

There were the 21 Senate Democrats - along with one Republican and one Independent - who voted against the war resolution.

And 126 of 207 House Democrats voted against the resolution as well.

How many repubs voted against it again?

But you'll sit there and blame the dems for not stopping the republicans.

What a fool.

You're right, better to blame both.

[Ransom]

There were the 21 Senate Democrats - along with one Republican and one Independent - who voted against the war resolution.

And 126 of 207 House Democrats voted against the resolution as well.

How many repubs voted against it again?

But you'll sit there and blame the dems for not stopping the republicans.

What a fool.

Where am I laying any blame? I'm just asking if their required Specific Authorization is to be thanked for both wars or not. For your statement above omits the war in Afghanistan...that Authorization nearly unanimous, it also omits the near 30 Dem Senators who voted for Iraq.

like Hillary. And John Kerry. And Joe Biden. Some big huge Dem names like Rockefeller, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, Dem heavyweights like Joe Lieberman and Diane Feinstein.....Chuck Schumer and Tom Daschle...all gave not only specific authorization as is required by law, but continued to fund, facilitate, and re-authorize both wars. As I'm being thanked for these "two wars" I'm curious whether there are major league Democrats who also deserve thanks. Not blame. I didn't even use the word blame you assigned it to me and then call me a fool for using it

Nice process

[jillian]

Where am I laying any blame? I'm just asking if their required Specific Authorization is to be thanked for both wars or not. For your statement above omits the war in Afghanistan...that Authorization nearly unanimous, it also omits the near 30 Dem Senators who voted for Iraq.

like Hillary. And John Kerry. And Joe Biden. Some big huge Dem names like Rockefeller, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, Dem heavyweights like Joe Lieberman and Diane Feinstein.....Chuck Schumer and Tom Daschle...all gave not only specific authorization as is required by law, but continued to fund, facilitate, and re-authorize both wars. As I'm being thanked for these "two wars" I'm curious whether there are major league Democrats who also deserve thanks. Not blame. I didn't even use the word blame you assigned it to me and then call me a fool for using it

Nice process

the iraq war resolution was not an absolute approval of the US going into a war. it was only something that was supposed to give the ability to go to war as a LAST RESORT... after continued diplomacy and the final report on wmd's...

bush was to go BACK to congress to report and get further approval. he didn't do so.

and let's not forget the fact that the whole wmd justification was a sham.

[GrumpyDog]

Now that we have the Predator Drones, the interference in foreign affairs has become an easier process. So easy, in fact, that interference in domestic affairs will be more promising in the near future. Coupled with new AI computers, citizens suspected by executive branches of government, will be apprehended preemptively, and detained until certification as normal docile person has been confirmed.

[zelmo1234]

There were the 21 Senate Democrats - along with one Republican and one Independent - who voted against the war resolution.

And 126 of 207 House Democrats voted against the resolution as well.

How many repubs voted against it again?

So you forgive the Democrats and blame the Republicans How nice! No partisenship there!


What a fool.


But you'll sit there and blame the dems for not stopping the republicans.

[zelmo1234]

the iraq war resolution was not an absolute approval of the US going into a war. it was only something that was supposed to give the ability to go to war as a LAST RESORT... after continued diplomacy and the final report on wmd's...

bush was to go BACK to congress to report and get further approval. he didn't do so.

and let's not forget the fact that the whole wmd justification was a sham.

I forget how many times did Obama go to congress over Lybia when they used the military to enfoce a no fly zone and then sent in advisors?

[jillian]

I forget how many times did Obama go to congress over Lybia when they used the military to enfoce a no fly zone and then sent in advisors?

we invaded libya?

who knew?

[zelmo1234]

we invaded libya?

who knew?

So it is not the use of force? that you have a problem with, it is a republican using force that you have a problem with!

Or is it that military jets killing people only counts when a republican is in the whitehouse?

For you information I thought that GWB was an idiot!

[Ransom]

the iraq war resolution was not an absolute approval of the US going into a war. it was only something that was supposed to give the ability to go to war as a LAST RESORT... after continued diplomacy and the final report on wmd's...

The Authorization was the last resort as it had been when a similar Authorization was passed in regards to Afghanistan that resulted in invasion and military force. No Senator or Congressperson who voted yea stood up in opposition, in fact, continued to re-authorize...and fund.


bush was to go BACK to congress to report and get further approval. he didn't do so.

Link please.


and let's not forget the fact that the whole wmd justification was a sham.

Sham by whom? Bill Clinton? Who also attacked Iraq for their WMDs?

[Ransom]

we invaded libya?

who knew?

Obama did surge in Afghanistan. Is currently nation building, pouring in lives and American b$llions. Supporting puppet governments, denying detainees due process by the thousands, and using many of the same tactics and personnel Bush used in Iraq. While the Left deafens us with their silence.

[Alif Qadr]

"Bernard Anderson, a pathbreaking African-American economist, understands the importance of rhetoric. He was up front at the Lincoln Memorial when Martin Luther King Jr. gave his historic “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963. And he was in the audience on the Howard University campus in 1965 to hear President Johnson deliver a grim view of the state of black America and declare war on “past injustice and present prejudice.”

So Anderson had high hopes as he sat at home in Pennsylvania watching President Obama deliver his second Inaugural Address this year. He wanted Obama to acknowledge that even five decades after Johnson’s stirring oration, African-Americans in today’s America still struggle against discrimination. And when the president started talking about “We, the people,” the veteran civil-rights champion grew excited. “As he was going through ‘We, the people’ and ‘We, the people,’ my heart started to beat,” Anderson said. But just as fast, his spirits sank. “I didn’t find me among the people he was talking about.”
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/has-obama-done-enough-for-black-americans-20130404?mrefid=skybox

President Obama is a racist and will use the rhetoric whenever he needs to but he doesn't like Americans or the country. He hasn't done anything for anyone. Why should blacks be special for him except when he needs to exploit them? I am truly sorry Bernard Anderson was so dense it took two elections for him to figure it out.

And a plea now for President Obama to be more racist won't do Mr. Anderson any good, President Obama any good, or the country any good. Of those three, only one interests President Obama.

Part of the problem is the "Non-Judgmental" Factor where judgment is erroneously used and replaces criterion, intuition, use of intelligence and the like. In this odd world, judgment no longer means to execute and decision, it means to criticize. Until this is corrected, people such as President Obama and others will always glide under the "radar" and escape truthful evaluation.

[nic34]

Obama did surge in Afghanistan. Is currently nation building, pouring in lives and American b$llions. Supporting puppet governments, denying detainees due process by the thousands, and using many of the same tactics and personnel Bush used in Iraq. While the Left deafens us with their silence.

Silence?
The senate voted 62-33 for Dem. Sen. Merkley's ammendment that endorsed Obama's timetable to withdraw all combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 but at a quicker pace.

Just 13 Republicans backed the measure.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57556355/senate-backs-quicker-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

[Chris]

Part of the problem is the "Non-Judgmental" Factor where judgment is erroneously used and replaces criterion, intuition, use of intelligence and the like. In this odd world, judgment no longer means to execute and decision, it means to criticize. Until this is corrected, people such as President Obama and others will always glide under the "radar" and escape truthful evaluation.

An interesting point, if I understand correctly. The problem has gone beyond moral relativism to blind leaps to judgement, what's overlooked is critical analysis.

[Ransom]

Let me try this again. Obama has engaged the following policies in Afghanistan. Propping up of a corrupt and puppet government by occupation and nation building tactics that we were once told enrages militant Islam. Obama also denying detainees due process by the thousands(forget the mere hundreds at Gitmo), Obama in fact using many of the same tactics and personnel Bush used in Iraq. Where is the like criticism?

[Peter1469]

Let me try this again. Obama has engaged the following policies in Afghanistan. Propping up of a corrupt and puppet government by occupation and nation building tactics that we were once told enrages militant Islam. Obama also denying detainees due process by the thousands(forget the mere hundreds at Gitmo), Obama in fact using many of the same tactics and personnel Bush used in Iraq. Where is the like criticism?


Obama has gone far beyond Bush's Afghanistan tactics. Under Bush, after the end of major combat operations, our military was largely in the background. Obama changed that and put our people on the offensive. The Canadians were always on the offense.

[Cigar]

Wow ... Look at what their Tread has turned into ... :grin:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Viceroy_Butterfly.jpg

[Chris]

Wow ... Look at what their Tread has turned into ... :grin:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Viceroy_Butterfly.jpg

Do you mean to post that here: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/12181-Your-Nature-Pictures

[Cigar]

Let me try this again. Obama has engaged the following policies in Afghanistan. Propping up of a corrupt and puppet government by occupation and nation building tactics that we were once told enrages militant Islam. Obama also denying detainees due process by the thousands(forget the mere hundreds at Gitmo), Obama in fact using many of the same tactics and personnel Bush used in Iraq. Where is the like criticism?

Has Obama Done Enough for American Blacks? (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/12177-Has-Obama-Done-Enough-for-American-Blacks/page6)
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4736645512627087&pid=1.7

[Ransom]

Has Obama Done Enough for American Blacks? (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/12177-Has-Obama-Done-Enough-for-American-Blacks/page6)

I remember when a more reasoned Dem Party's leader asked not what your country could do for you, but what you could do for your country. Interesting that Dems today such as Cigar are the 18o of that thesis. It's all about them now.

[Mainecoons]

Here is what Obama has done for blacks:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2012/07/06/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate/chart-black-unemployment.top.gif

And of course this chart also doesn't include the ones who have simply given up looking for work, of any race.

And what he's done for America:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/04/03/~/media/Images/Inline/2013/04/Food-Stamps-Yearly1%20(1).ashx?w=564&h=446&as=1

[Ransom]

Those stats under a Republican President would be considered "racist."

[Peter1469]

JFK would be tarred and feathered by today's dems.

[jillian]

JFK would be tarred and feathered by today's dems.

doubtful...

but we know nixon would be called a RINO by today's GOP...

heck, you'd be calling maggie thatcher a socialist

[Mister D]

Those stats under a Republican President would be considered "racist."

:laugh: You're probably right.

[Peter1469]

doubtful...

but we know nixon would be called a RINO by today's GOP...

heck, you'd be calling maggie thatcher a socialist

I am not sure where you get your info. Nixon was actually one of the better presidents (ok lets ignore the Watergate coverup); Lady Thatcher was a free market capitalist who did as much as she could to save her little island from socialism. She did a damn good job of it too.

I think you lean too far towards statism to offer a rational opinion on government.

[Mainecoons]

Jillian is right about Nixon, he was definitely a liberal and a statist. Have you forgotten his price controls?

[Chris]

Jillian is right about Nixon, he was definitely a liberal and a statist. Have you forgotten his price controls?

Exactly. Nixon was a lot like Obama, said and did whatever it took to get elected and re-elected.

[Chris]

jillian, so you agree with this? Only need to listen to first minute or so...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8

[jillian]

@jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719), so you agree with this? Only need to listen to first minute or so...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8

i'm pretty sure the marginal tax rate was a lot higher when kennedy was president. what he didn't do was try to starve government until you could drown it in a bathtub.

he also believed in the power of government.

and the power of public service.

and he had to promise that his religious beliefs wouldn't impact his decision-making process.

heavens... can you imagine that happening today?

[jillian]

Jillian is right about Nixon, he was definitely a liberal and a statist. Have you forgotten his price controls?

he also started the EPA, opened china and ended the vietnam war.

[Mister D]

i'm pretty sure the marginal tax rate was a lot higher when kennedy was president. what he didn't do was try to starve government until you could drown it in a bathtub.

he also believed in the power of government.

and the power of public service.

and he had to promise that his religious beliefs wouldn't impact his decision-making process.

heavens... can you imagine that happening today?

He had to promise his religious beliefs wouldn't influence his "decision-making process" because of anti-Catholic sentiment.

[HOWARD STERN FOR PREZ]

DUH! He's cut down on their welfare cheques and food stamps.

[Peter1469]

i'm pretty sure the marginal tax rate was a lot higher when kennedy was president. what he didn't do was try to starve government until you could drown it in a bathtub.

he also believed in the power of government.

and the power of public service.

and he had to promise that his religious beliefs wouldn't impact his decision-making process.

heavens... can you imagine that happening today?

Yet he cut taxes.....

[Chris]

i'm pretty sure the marginal tax rate was a lot higher when kennedy was president. what he didn't do was try to starve government until you could drown it in a bathtub.

he also believed in the power of government.

and the power of public service.

and he had to promise that his religious beliefs wouldn't impact his decision-making process.

heavens... can you imagine that happening today?

Well, but, so you agree then to recover from a recession, as history has shown, is to cut the tax rates, rather than as now to spend spend spend.

[Chris]

Yet he cut taxes.....

Yet he was still a Keynesian. Keynes advocated stimulus spending, but he also advocated cutting taxes. How quickly liberal Democrats forget their past!

[Alif Qadr]

An interesting point, if I understand correctly. The problem has gone beyond moral relativism to blind leaps to judgement, what's overlooked is critical analysis.

EXACTLY Chris!

[Alif Qadr]

JFK would be tarred and feathered by today's dems.

Indeed he would be tarred, feathered and be called some sort of colorful name as well.

[Alif Qadr]

Where am I laying any blame? I'm just asking if their required Specific Authorization is to be thanked for both wars or not. For your statement above omits the war in Afghanistan...that Authorization nearly unanimous, it also omits the near 30 Dem Senators who voted for Iraq.

like Hillary. And John Kerry. And Joe Biden. Some big huge Dem names like Rockefeller, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, Dem heavyweights like Joe Lieberman and Diane Feinstein.....Chuck Schumer and Tom Daschle...all gave not only specific authorization as is required by law, but continued to fund, facilitate, and re-authorize both wars. As I'm being thanked for these "two wars" I'm curious whether there are major league Democrats who also deserve thanks. Not blame. I didn't even use the word blame you assigned it to me and then call me a fool for using it

Nice process

Jamil! I could not have made the above excerpt any more plainly than you did. Takbir!

[Mainecoons]

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/us_total_spending_full.png

Let's see, Kennedy was POTUS from 1961 to 1963. Let see if the genius who thinks taxes were higher than now and can't seem to grasp that marginal tax rates are not the same as actual tax rates can deduce how incorrect that is from this graph.

HINT: Look at the graph for 1961 versus the last year. Is the line higher or lower? Is the green area of the graph getting fatter faster than the combination of the other two areas?

Dooh!

[nic34]

Christopher Chantrill, yeah right.

But we lib-ralls, promise not to use MSNBC, Daily KOS or Puffington.....

What a maroon.....:laugh:

[Chris]

Christopher Chantrill, yeah right.

But we lib-ralls, promise not to use MSNBC, Daily KOS or Puffington.....

What a maroon.....:laugh:

More attacking messengers rather than messages. But it befits partisans who argue not about Obama's policies but his person.

[nic34]

More attacking messengers rather than messages.

Do you reprimand others of this practice?

[Chris]

Do you reprimand others of this practice?

Yes. But it's not a reprimand. I can't tell you not to use logical fallacies in your arguments, you're free to do that--as I am to point out your fallacies. You can't based on fallacies argue something true.