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Taxcutter
04-26-2013, 11:14 AM
This MSM guy makes the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

quote:
“Police estimate that of the 532 murders in 2012 (http://chicagoist.com/2013/04/01/murder_rate_2013.php) -- nearly 1.5 a day -- about 80 percent were gang related. And yet, despite that rather staggering statistic, the national outcry is muted at best -- nothing, to say the least, like the kind we saw last week in Boston.”

“…how do we explain our habit of greeting terrorists with 24-hour news coverage and relentless wrath while overlooking the gangs that terrorize our streets daily…”

Are gangs and Chicago Democrats in cahoots?

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

quote:
“…the inquiring candidates wanted to know: “Who do I need to be talking to so I can get the gangs on board?”

“…meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives.”

“Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table.”
“Before the election, the gangs agreed to set aside decades-old rivalries and bloody vendettas to operate as a unified political force, which they called Black United Voters of Chicago. “They realized that if they came together, they could get the politicians to come to them,”

“…in the end, as with most things political in Chicago, it all came down to one question, … the gang representatives asked, “What can you give me?” The politicians, most eager to please, replied, “What do you want?”

“The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials.”

“…during arrests, the twins would say, “I’ll have your job. Do you know who my lawyer is? Do you know who his mama is?””

“That a sitting alderman would help pay for the funeral of a notorious gangster shows how the interests of politicians and gangs can intertwine.”

“The leader of his gang, he says, had struck a deal with an alderman who was giving the Vice Lords extra money to buy heroin and high-grade marijuana. It was a win-win for everybody, by his account; the whole operation raked in $50,000 a day. Most of the money went to the gang, but the alderman took a nice cut, he says.”

Taxcutter says:
The link goes on and on. You get the picture. Chicago Democrat politicians for sale to the gangstas. I have no reason to believe this is not the case in Detroit (gangs are the last profitable businesses in the city), Philadelphia, New York, Cleveland, Los Angeles, and New Orleans.

Al Capone never had it so good.

roadmaster
04-26-2013, 11:26 AM
People refuse to see it. You have some cops, judges, politicians, ect paid off. Lawyers will tell a client they have to prolong their case if the wrong judge is there that day. Don't tell me none of you see it.

Cigar
04-26-2013, 11:31 AM
Yes ... now go get'em Tiger :wink:

roadmaster
04-26-2013, 11:37 AM
Yes ... now go get'em Tiger :wink:

You live near them and I don't worry about them. :laugh:

Cigar
04-26-2013, 11:39 AM
You live near them and I don't worry about them. :laugh:


Go ahead ... do a search on this Forum ... you'll be surprised who is worried ... :laugh:

roadmaster
04-26-2013, 12:22 PM
Go ahead ... do a search on this Forum ... you'll be surprised who is worried ... :laugh:

Most of them are killed off in their 20's by other gangs. Not to worry when the Mexicans take over they will be gone.

Cigar
04-26-2013, 12:23 PM
Most of them are killed off in their 20's by other gangs. Not to worry when the Mexicans take over they will be gone.

Good ... so what's your issue again? :huh:

TheDictator
04-26-2013, 12:27 PM
These guys kill each other for the most part, and they leave the rest of America alone. So no one cares.

Micketto
04-26-2013, 12:34 PM
These guys kill each other for the most part, and they leave the rest of America alone. So no one cares.

Exactly.
Nothing wrong with a little self-inflicted population control for the unwanted.

2494

roadmaster
04-26-2013, 12:35 PM
These guys kill each other for the most part, and they leave the rest of America alone. So no one cares. Correct, when you see their moms burying them, it's just another gang member or number.99% of them don't even make the news.

Cigar
04-26-2013, 01:50 PM
Ok ... so once again ... what "your" problem with Gangster and them killing each other?

nic34
04-26-2013, 01:53 PM
Nothing else to complain about I would bet.....

Mister D
04-26-2013, 02:03 PM
Ok ... so once again ... what "your" problem with Gangster and them killing each other?

Really? IOW, what's "your" problem with random murder and mayhem? Put the crack pipe down before you burn your lips.

Mister D
04-26-2013, 02:05 PM
Nothing else to complain about I would bet.....

Sure we do. Maybe Cigar can find a white guy who committed some recent gun violence. We can start a 100 threads and talk about it. Good grief....last call, Chief.

2498

Peter1469
04-26-2013, 03:21 PM
No, they are common criminals. The US has always had problems comprehending the difference between crime and war.

nic34
04-26-2013, 03:29 PM
Sure we do. Maybe Cigar can find a white guy who committed some recent gun violence. We can start a 100 threads and talk about it. Good grief....last call, Chief.


MR.D the clown....

http://img3.etsystatic.com/016/1/5409823/il_570xN.416146847_mbhp.jpg

Adelaide
04-26-2013, 09:25 PM
It doesn't meet the criteria of what is generally accepted as the definition of terrorism. Although, it has not really been well defined there is a basic guideline which gangs would not meet.

jillian
04-26-2013, 09:27 PM
It doesn't meet the criteria of what is generally accepted as the definition of terrorism. Although, it has not really been well defined there is a basic guideline which gangs would not meet.

terrorism is the targeting of innocent civilians with violence in order to achieve a political agenda.

Adelaide
04-26-2013, 09:37 PM
terrorism is the targeting of innocent civilians with violence in order to achieve a political agenda.

Simplistically, yes.

Do you think gangs are politically motivated? Do they choose their targets based on political beliefs/ideologies?

Peter1469
04-26-2013, 10:39 PM
Simplistically, yes.

Do you think gangs are politically motivated? Do they choose their targets based on political beliefs/ideologies?

Gang members are petty criminals. True terrorists are enemies waging war.

Greenridgeman
04-28-2013, 02:11 PM
Correct, when you see their moms burying them, it's just another gang member or number.99% of them don't even make the news.




Like great, great great uncle used to say about Yankees, shoot one, three more pop up.

I am quoting an Antietam vet who kept the bridge closed for hours.

jillian
04-28-2013, 03:15 PM
This MSM guy makes the case.

what's their political agenda?

who are the innocents they're 'targeting'?

words have meaning.

simpsonofpg
04-30-2013, 07:34 PM
Any time these killings involve gangs they are cowards.; They can't go to the bath room by themsleves. Real men confront their probems alone not the the bro's from the hood. These city gangs are just terrorist of another nature.

jillian
04-30-2013, 07:50 PM
Any time these killings involve gangs they are cowards.; They can't go to the bath room by themsleves. Real men confront their probems alone not the the bro's from the hood. These city gangs are just terrorist of another nature.

it's not just "bros from the hood"... gangs exist in every county in the nation.

Mister D
04-30-2013, 07:52 PM
it's not just "bros from the hood"... gangs exist in every county in the nation.

Gangs are overwhelmingly black and brown.

Peter1469
04-30-2013, 08:34 PM
common criminals. No need to bring in war fighting methods.

Dr. Who
04-30-2013, 08:38 PM
This MSM guy makes the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

quote:
“Police estimate that of the 532 murders in 2012 (http://chicagoist.com/2013/04/01/murder_rate_2013.php) -- nearly 1.5 a day -- about 80 percent were gang related. And yet, despite that rather staggering statistic, the national outcry is muted at best -- nothing, to say the least, like the kind we saw last week in Boston.”

“…how do we explain our habit of greeting terrorists with 24-hour news coverage and relentless wrath while overlooking the gangs that terrorize our streets daily…”

Are gangs and Chicago Democrats in cahoots?

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

quote:
“…the inquiring candidates wanted to know: “Who do I need to be talking to so I can get the gangs on board?”

“…meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives.”

“Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table.”
“Before the election, the gangs agreed to set aside decades-old rivalries and bloody vendettas to operate as a unified political force, which they called Black United Voters of Chicago. “They realized that if they came together, they could get the politicians to come to them,”

“…in the end, as with most things political in Chicago, it all came down to one question, … the gang representatives asked, “What can you give me?” The politicians, most eager to please, replied, “What do you want?”

“The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials.”

“…during arrests, the twins would say, “I’ll have your job. Do you know who my lawyer is? Do you know who his mama is?””

“That a sitting alderman would help pay for the funeral of a notorious gangster shows how the interests of politicians and gangs can intertwine.”

“The leader of his gang, he says, had struck a deal with an alderman who was giving the Vice Lords extra money to buy heroin and high-grade marijuana. It was a win-win for everybody, by his account; the whole operation raked in $50,000 a day. Most of the money went to the gang, but the alderman took a nice cut, he says.”

Taxcutter says:
The link goes on and on. You get the picture. Chicago Democrat politicians for sale to the gangstas. I have no reason to believe this is not the case in Detroit (gangs are the last profitable businesses in the city), Philadelphia, New York, Cleveland, Los Angeles, and New Orleans.

Al Capone never had it so good.
Corruption has historical roots in Chicago.

Dr. Who
04-30-2013, 08:54 PM
This MSM guy makes the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

quote:
“Police estimate that of the 532 murders in 2012 (http://chicagoist.com/2013/04/01/murder_rate_2013.php) -- nearly 1.5 a day -- about 80 percent were gang related. And yet, despite that rather staggering statistic, the national outcry is muted at best -- nothing, to say the least, like the kind we saw last week in Boston.”

“…how do we explain our habit of greeting terrorists with 24-hour news coverage and relentless wrath while overlooking the gangs that terrorize our streets daily…”

Are gangs and Chicago Democrats in cahoots?

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

quote:
“…the inquiring candidates wanted to know: “Who do I need to be talking to so I can get the gangs on board?”

“…meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives.”

“Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table.”
“Before the election, the gangs agreed to set aside decades-old rivalries and bloody vendettas to operate as a unified political force, which they called Black United Voters of Chicago. “They realized that if they came together, they could get the politicians to come to them,”

“…in the end, as with most things political in Chicago, it all came down to one question, … the gang representatives asked, “What can you give me?” The politicians, most eager to please, replied, “What do you want?”

“The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials.”

“…during arrests, the twins would say, “I’ll have your job. Do you know who my lawyer is? Do you know who his mama is?””

“That a sitting alderman would help pay for the funeral of a notorious gangster shows how the interests of politicians and gangs can intertwine.”

“The leader of his gang, he says, had struck a deal with an alderman who was giving the Vice Lords extra money to buy heroin and high-grade marijuana. It was a win-win for everybody, by his account; the whole operation raked in $50,000 a day. Most of the money went to the gang, but the alderman took a nice cut, he says.”

Taxcutter says:
The link goes on and on. You get the picture. Chicago Democrat politicians for sale to the gangstas. I have no reason to believe this is not the case in Detroit (gangs are the last profitable businesses in the city), Philadelphia, New York, Cleveland, Los Angeles, and New Orleans.

Al Capone never had it so good.
Perhaps it depends on the currency of politics. Certainly in some places it is the difference between secular and non-secular government or in others the difference between socialism and capitalism. In America it politics are not that simply defined. Money plays a large role in the currency of American politics - those who have and those who have not. Wealthy corporations that buy favor in government. Sometimes the differences between the Democrats and Republicans are rather subtle. Gang bangers or gangsters are a subculture, much like the war lords in third world countries. Acquisition of wealth is at the core of many a war lord society. At some point they can turn political - seek power, but not in the ususal sense. They won't seek election, but instead take power by force. At that point they may fit the definition of terrorists.

Cigar
05-01-2013, 07:41 AM
... and now a brief interruption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_the_United_States

... carry-on :grin:

Mister D
05-01-2013, 08:42 AM
... and now a brief interruption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_the_United_States

... carry-on :grin:

The most recent figures provided by law enforcement are 46 percent Hispanic/Latino gang members, 35 percent African-American/black gang members, over 11 percent white gang members, and 7 percent other race/ethnicity of gang members.

http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Demographics

Carry on smacking your ass down yet again? Sure! :laugh:

Mister D
05-01-2013, 08:45 AM
Come back any time, Cigar. :grin:

2547

jillian
05-01-2013, 08:47 AM
Come back any time, Cigar. :grin:

2547

why do people like you, who are poorest at actual argument or discussion, always proclaim themselves victor in any exchange?

it's really bizarre

jillian
05-01-2013, 08:47 AM
... and now a brief interruption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_the_United_States

... carry-on :grin:

but... but... but... that destroys such a good racist meme

Mister D
05-01-2013, 08:48 AM
but... but... but... that destroys such a good racist meme

See next post. Laugh at yourself. I'm laughing at you. Both of you. :laugh:

Mister D
05-01-2013, 08:49 AM
why do people like you, who are poorest at actual argument or discussion, always proclaim themselves victor in any exchange?

it's really bizarre

Are you senile? I already clobbered you both. The stats are what they are. Gangs in America are overhwelming black and brown.

Now did you just call me a racist?

Mister D
05-01-2013, 08:52 AM
Feeling silly? :roflmao:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/12600-Are-Chicago-Gangstas-Terrorists?p=278931&viewfull=1#post278931

Cigar
05-01-2013, 09:04 AM
but... but... but... that destroys such a good racist meme



It's going to take a little more time than we thought for them to get over Back-2-Back-Black Presidential Loses. :grin:

Mister D
05-01-2013, 10:15 AM
It's going to take a little more time than we thought for them to get over Back-2-Back-Black Presidential Loses. :grin:

Didn't take long at all for you to try and change the subject. My pimp hand tends to reduce you to a babbling buffoon. :grin:

Cigar
05-01-2013, 11:23 AM
:rollseyes: Your Pimp Hands?

Is this your coming-out?

waltky
06-18-2016, 11:35 PM
Mexican 'Voice' contestant dies of shooting in Chicago...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_omg.gif
Singer on Mexican 'The Voice' dies in Chicago after shooting
June 18, 2016 — A Chicago singer who appeared on the Mexican version of "The Voice" in 2011 has died after he was shot in an ambush while celebrating his birthday with friends.


The Cook County Medical Examiner's office confirmed that 45-year-old Alejandro "Jano" Fuentes died on Saturday. He was shot three times in the head late Thursday outside his Tras Bambalinas School on Chicago's southwest side.

The attack happened less than a week after the killing of Christina Grimmie, who appeared on the U.S. version of the show. Authorities say a man shot her while she was signing autographs after a performance in Orlando, Florida. The man then killed himself.

Fuentes got into his car with friends and an armed man suddenly ordered Fuentes out of that vehicle and shot him. Police said they had no suspects in the attack. WGN television said police were investigating whether the shooting was an attempted carjacking or a robbery. Friends of Fuentes in Chicago said they were holding a vigil and memorial for the singer at his studio in Chicago on Saturday evening.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-singer-mexican-voice-shot-wounded-200641349.html?ref=gs

See also:

City of Chicago Has Deadliest May in 21 Years
June 1, 2016 - A total of 66 homicides makes it the deadliest May in Chicago since 1995, when 75 were recorded, according to police records.


The gray sedan was parked in the ambulance bay of the hospital, its doors open and bullet holes just above and below the driver’s side window. Minutes earlier, 15-year-old Fabian Lavinder was in the car on 89th Street when another car pulled up and someone shot him in the chest. The driver took the boy to Advocate Trinity Hospital, where he died shortly before 11 p.m. Tuesday. Lavinder was the 66th and final homicide for last month, the deadliest May in Chicago since 1995, when 75 were recorded, according to police records. He was among nearly 400 people shot last month.

The month’s toll was fueled by a Memorial Day weekend that saw six killed and 63 wounded, and a Mother’s Day weekend when more than 50 people were shot, eight fatally, in the most violent weekend since September. That brought the total number of people shot in Chicago so far this year to more than 1,500. At least 250 of them died. In 1995, there were 320 murders at this time, police data show. A closer month for comparison is May 1998, when there were 65 murders for the month and 269 so far that year — not much higher that this year’s total, according to department data. There were 704 murders that entire year, police said. Tuesday night, police wrapped yellow crime tape around the sedan after Fabian was taken into Trinity Hospital. More than a dozen relatives and friends stood near the emergency entrance. They hugged, cried and smoked cigarettes.


http://r2.officer.com/files/base/OFCR/image/2016/06/16x9/640x360/US_NEWS_CHICAGO_VIOLENCE_4_TB.574f312c3ba43.jpg
A member of the Chicago Police Department inspects a vehicle taped off in front of Advocate Trinity Hospital in Chicago on June 1.

A man in a black T-shirt and jeans walked back and forth on the sidewalk across from the hospital. He held his head in his hands as he sobbed. “We should have just stayed in the ’burbs, man,” he said to no one in particular. “We should have just stayed in the ’burbs. … This is bogus.” A woman in a gray T-shirt and long jean shorts walked out of the emergency room and started crying and breathing heavily. She and other relatives and friends walked up to the man in the black T-shirt. “He was in that car?” she asked, pointing at the sedan. “And they just shot it up?” The man nodded yes. The woman’s wailing grew louder. She said the 15-year-old was her brother. A woman in a white T-shirt put her arms around her shoulders, consoling her.

As time passed, more relatives walked in and out of the hospital. A woman in dark shorts and a white-black top came out. She started walking toward the gray car, crying. Her sister, the woman in the gray T-shirt, put her arms around her, holding her back. “All I want to know is where my little brother is,” the woman yelled. “I just want to see him.” The two sisters hugged after a moment, sobbing together. Pamela Johnson, 44, a friend of the family, stood nearby with crossed arms, shaking her head. “We need martial law. Period,” Johnson said. “If it’s to protect our children, then so be it. … There is a difference between Millennium Park and 95th Street.”

http://www.officer.com/news/12215400/city-of-chicago-has-deadliest-may-in-21-years

Peter1469
06-19-2016, 04:23 AM
I had not heard of her. RIP.

Peter1469
06-19-2016, 06:03 AM
And crooks are not terrorists. One of the US's failings in the modern age is its confusion of war-fighting and law enforcement. 9-11 would never had happened without that confusion.

waltky
01-04-2017, 06:18 PM
Dindu Nuffin found guilty o' doin' sumpin'...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
Chicago gang violence: Six Hobos leaders convicted
Wed, 04 Jan 2017 - A federal jury convicts six leaders of Chicago's notorious Hobos gang of racketeering conspiracy.


Six senior members of a notorious Chicago gang accused of murder, robbery and drug dealing have been convicted by a US federal jury. The leader of the Hobos, Gregory "Bowlegs" Chester and alleged hitman Paris Poe were among those found guilty of racketeering conspiracy. Prosecutors alleged the conspiracy involved nine murders in a decade punctuated by ruthless violence.


http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpsprodpb/52D7/production/_93270212_mediaitem93270211.jpg
Alleged Hobos hitman, Paris Poe

The verdict comes amid continuing concern at Chicago's murder rate. Officials say 762 people were killed in Chicago last year, far more than any other US city, with much of the violence attributed to gangs. Among the most vicious killings was that of government informant Keith Daniels, who was shot dead in front of his step-children and fiancee three years ago.

The court heard how Poe, wearing a mask and dress in black, shot Daniels more than dozen times outside his apartment. Poe was also alleged to have robbed NBA player Bobby Simmons at gunpoint outside a nightclub, making off with a $200,000 (£162,000) diamond and gold necklace. Prosecutors described how the gang gloried in extreme violence on Chicago's South Side, including the use of a hot iron to torture robbery victims. All six will be sentenced later this year and face possible life sentences.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38513728

The Xl
01-04-2017, 06:45 PM
This "Dindu Nuffin" stuff is racist, baiting, and completely uncalled for. Going after and calling out Cigar and the like for racism is certainly warranted, but the flipside to that coin shouldn't be ignored either.

resister
01-04-2017, 06:51 PM
Exactly.
Nothing wrong with a little self-inflicted population control for the unwanted.

2494
Damn, homebizzel can get a 12 pack of mikkys and a pack of blunts, At the same time. Fo shizzel.

waltky
01-04-2017, 11:53 PM
Granny says, "Dat's right - dey need to declare martial law an' call in the Nat'l. Guard...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_grandma.gif
Trump: Chicago Might Need Federal Help
January 4, 2017 - President-elect Donald Trump took to Twitter Monday to again draw attention to Chicago's struggles with surging violent crime, this time suggesting that perhaps Mayor Rahm Emanuel should seek help from the federal government.


"Chicago murder rate is record setting -- 4,331 shooting victims with 762 murders in 2016," Trump wrote on Twitter. "If Mayor can't do it he must ask for Federal help!" Trump's suggestion that violence hit a record level in 2016 was off the mark, but homicides indeed rose nearly 60 percent from 2015 to the highest levels in 20 years. Trump's tweet came the morning after "60 Minutes" aired a segment on Chicago's violence, including an interview from Emanuel's former police Superintendent Garry McCarthy, who said the city's Police Department was in crisis. The mayor fired McCarthy more than a year ago amid the fallout over the court-ordered release of a video showing a white police officer shooting Laquan McDonald 16 times.

Emanuel spokesman Adam Collins released a statement applauding that the president-elect was taking the crime issue seriously. Collins, though, did not directly address Trump's suggestion that Emanuel should seek federal help if he can't control the city's crime problem. "As the president-elect knows from his conversation with the mayor, we agree the federal government has a strong role to play in public safety by funding summer jobs and prevention programming for at-risk youth, by holding the criminals who break our gun laws accountable for their crimes, by passing meaningful gun laws, and by building on the partnerships our police have with federal law enforcement," the statement said. "We are heartened he is taking this issue seriously and look forward to working with the new administration on these important efforts."


http://r2.officer.com/files/base/OFCR/image/2017/01/16x9/640x360/US_NEWS_CHICAGO_VIOLENCE_2_TB.586d04c36b4a4.jpg
Members of the Chicago Police Department work the scene where at least six people were shot, one fatally, on the 8600 block of South Maryland Avenue on Dec. 25, 2016.

While Trump's tweet suggested the federal government might need to intervene to help Chicago in its fight against violence, the U.S. Justice Department has been conducting an investigation for more than a year into the Police Department's practices, including the use of force by officers. The tweet wasn't the first time Trump has weighed in on Chicago's spike in violent crime. On the campaign trail, he often singled out Chicago while calling for tougher police tactics like the controversial stop-and-frisk policy to deal with urban crime.

Stop-and-frisk was found unconstitutional by a federal judge in New York because of its overwhelming impact on minorities. New York abandoned its appeal of the ruling after Mayor Bill de Blasio took office. "I think Chicago needs stop-and-frisk," Trump said at an event in September. "Now, people can criticize me for that or people can say whatever they want. But they asked me about Chicago and I think stop-and-frisk with good strong, you know, good strong law and order. But you have to do something. It can't continue the way it's going." "If (police) see a person possibly with a gun or they think may have a gun, they will see the person and they'll look and they'll take the gun away," he said.

MORE (http://www.officer.com/news/12291525/trump-chicago-might-need-federal-help-on-violence)

decedent
01-05-2017, 12:28 AM
Bombing Chicago is a quick fix. They're full of liberals so no loss.