Clearcut Logging (A picture says a thousand words)

[Chloe]

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This koala looks rather sad. But who can blame him?
According to Australia's Wildlife Information, Rescue and Education Service (http://www.wires.org.au/)(WIRES), the sub-adult male koala was recently discovered sitting atop the remnants of what was once his home in Vittoria State Forest, New South Wales. Although the logging operation (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/dna-fingerprinting-used-fight-illegal-logging.html&sa=U&ei=2g5vUbKkOq3p0QGLzIDgAw&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEob6sTlVYLEIo7cTL_KPu33IeWjw) was approved by the forestry service, judging by the koala's confused expression, not everyone got the memo.
"Koalas would have been moved out of their homes in preparation for planned logging activities," says WIRES general manager, Leanne Taylor. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/last-time-i-looked-there-were-trees/story-e6freon6-1226622983539)
"It is common for koalas to roam back to their home range afterwards and become confused to find nothing there. A worker noticed a koala had been sitting stationary in broad daylight on top of wood piles for over an hour."

The perplexed marsupial, found to have an injury on its eye, was transfered to a local vet before being relocated once again back into a different patch of forest. Forestry workers found three other koalas at the clearcut site and they were transfered as well.

[Greenridgeman]

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This koala looks rather sad. But who can blame him?
According to Australia's Wildlife Information, Rescue and Education Service (http://www.wires.org.au/)(WIRES), the sub-adult male koala was recently discovered sitting atop the remnants of what was once his home in Vittoria State Forest, New South Wales. Although the logging operation (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/dna-fingerprinting-used-fight-illegal-logging.html&sa=U&ei=2g5vUbKkOq3p0QGLzIDgAw&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEob6sTlVYLEIo7cTL_KPu33IeWjw) was approved by the forestry service, judging by the koala's confused expression, not everyone got the memo.
"Koalas would have been moved out of their homes in preparation for planned logging activities," says WIRES general manager, Leanne Taylor. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/last-time-i-looked-there-were-trees/story-e6freon6-1226622983539)
"It is common for koalas to roam back to their home range afterwards and become confused to find nothing there. A worker noticed a koala had been sitting stationary in broad daylight on top of wood piles for over an hour."

The perplexed marsupial, found to have an injury on its eye, was transfered to a local vet before being relocated once again back into a different patch of forest. Forestry workers found three other koalas at the clearcut site and they were transfered as well.


Would you get your head cracked and thrown in a paddy wagon for hours before you were brought before a judge and charged, to save that koala?

Are you living a wood products free life?

Just curious.

[Chloe]

Would you get your head cracked and thrown in a paddy wagon for hours before you were brought before a judge and charged, to save that koala?

Are you living a wood products free life?

Just curious.

You and I both know that paper and other wood related things are all around us, but that doesn't mean that we can't be more understanding of the impacts that things like clear cut logging can do to habitats and wildlife; it doesn't mean that we can't make the practice more sustainable by using recycled wood or alternative materials for building houses and stuff; and it doesn't mean that we can't make changes so that it's not so shocking to ecosystems.

You asked if I'd be willing to get my head cracked and arrested and so on to save a koala or something like that, I don't know, but sooner or later I may have to if it means bringing attention to an important issue. It's depressing to see so much waste and irresponsible things happening to the Earth. This is just one example of thousands in my opinion.

[BillyBob]

.... judging by the koala's confused expression....


I almost responded to you seriously, then I realized you were making a joke.

Good one!

[BillyBob]

You and I both know that paper and other wood related things are all around us, but that doesn't mean that we can't be more understanding of the impacts that things like clear cut logging can do to habitats and wildlife; it doesn't mean that we can't make the practice more sustainable by using recycled wood or alternative materials for building houses and stuff; and it doesn't mean that we can't make changes so that it's not so shocking to ecosystems.

You asked if I'd be willing to get my head cracked and arrested and so on to save a koala or something like that, I don't know, but sooner or later I may have to if it means bringing attention to an important issue. It's depressing to see so much waste and irresponsible things happening to the Earth. This is just one example of thousands in my opinion.

You don't have to get your head cracked open to make your point. There was a hippy chick not long ago who lived in a tree and refused to come down out of it. She ate bugs and tree bark and shit in a bucket. You could be just like her some day if you apply yourself.

[Chloe]

You don't have to get your head cracked open to make your point. There was a hippy chick not long ago who lived in a tree and refused to come down out of it. She ate bugs and tree bark and shit in a bucket. You could be just like her some day if you apply yourself.

lol

Tree sitting can make a point and is successful sometimes. I don't know how well I'd do in a situation like that but it does takes courage and it can result in a small win.

[Greenridgeman]

You and I both know that paper and other wood related things are all around us, but that doesn't mean that we can't be more understanding of the impacts that things like clear cut logging can do to habitats and wildlife; it doesn't mean that we can't make the practice more sustainable by using recycled wood or alternative materials for building houses and stuff; and it doesn't mean that we can't make changes so that it's not so shocking to ecosystems.


You asked if I'd be willing to get my head cracked and arrested and so on to save a koala or something like that, I don't know, but sooner or later I may have to if it means bringing attention to an important issue. It's depressing to see so much waste and irresponsible things happening to the Earth. This is just one example of thousands in my opinion.

I am surrounded by millions of acres of sustainable forests, as you are.

Recylcing has to be economically feasible before it will be widespread.

There are also many alternative building materials being used today, but, in many cases they are inferior.

And at some point advocacy had to become activity.

Advocates change little, change comes through the blood, sweat and tears of activists.

Comes a time you have to put your ass on the line like the generations before you did, to bring you the freedom you enjoy and take for granted.

[Greenridgeman]

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treehugger.com
This koala looks rather sad. But who can blame him?
According to Australia's Wildlife Information, Rescue and Education Service (http://www.wires.org.au/)(WIRES), the sub-adult male koala was recently discovered sitting atop the remnants of what was once his home in Vittoria State Forest, New South Wales. Although the logging operation (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/dna-fingerprinting-used-fight-illegal-logging.html&sa=U&ei=2g5vUbKkOq3p0QGLzIDgAw&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEob6sTlVYLEIo7cTL_KPu33IeWjw) was approved by the forestry service, judging by the koala's confused expression, not everyone got the memo.
"Koalas would have been moved out of their homes in preparation for planned logging activities," says WIRES general manager, Leanne Taylor. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/last-time-i-looked-there-were-trees/story-e6freon6-1226622983539)
"It is common for koalas to roam back to their home range afterwards and become confused to find nothing there. A worker noticed a koala had been sitting stationary in broad daylight on top of wood piles for over an hour."

The perplexed marsupial, found to have an injury on its eye, was transfered to a local vet before being relocated once again back into a different patch of forest. Forestry workers found three other koalas at the clearcut site and they were transfered as well.


How large was that clearcut?

Have no idea how they do things in Australia, here, most clearcuts are under a few hundred acres, and there is a pattern of rotation, as sustainable forests are clearcut and replanted.

[Chris]

Although the logging operation was approved by the forestry service

The source of most problems. OWS started off protesting banksters till it found government right there behind the curtain.

[Chloe]

How large was that clearcut?

Have no idea how they do things in Australia, here, most clearcuts are under a few hundred acres, and there is a pattern of rotation, as sustainable forests are clearcut and replanted.

I don't know exactly. The underlying point was to show how a tree is not just a resource for us. It is also shared by other living creatures.

[Greenridgeman]

I don't know exactly. The underlying point was to show how a tree is not just a resource for us. It is also shared by other living creatures.


I see.

I had no idea others shared the forest.

Perhaps the little koala could hike to those trees in the background?

[Chloe]

I see.

I had no idea others shared the forest.

Perhaps the little koala could hike to those trees in the background?

I'm glad I could educate you. And as for the koala hiking to the other trees in the background i'm sure once he gets there some nice human representing some nice company will clear all of that land too :wink:

[Chris]

I'm glad I could educate you. And as for the koala hiking to the other trees in the background i'm sure once he gets there some nice human representing some nice company will clear all of that land too :wink:

Approved by the government.

It doesn't make sense for a free-market business to clear cut because once they do there's nothing left to profit from in the long run. Most companies farm the land, replanting new growth. The government doesn't care, it's not its land.

[Greenridgeman]

I'm glad I could educate you. And as for the koala hiking to the other trees in the background i'm sure once he gets there some nice human representing some nice company will clear all of that land too :wink:



If you think stating the obvious is education, well, you won't educate many.

I was raised in the woods with the furry and feathered.

[Chloe]

If you think stating the obvious is education, well, you won't educate many.

I was raised in the woods with the furry and feathered.

Go back to the woods that you were raised in after they have been cut down and have a seat in the open field. Then you can empathize with the Koala perhaps :)

[Greenridgeman]

Go back to the woods that you were raised in after they have been cut down and have a seat in the open field. Then you can empathize with the Koala perhaps :)


The woods I was raised in were cut, replanted, and cut again, as part of sustainable forestry.

More wildlife there than ever too.

I imagine the Australian clearcut will be replanted.

[Greenridgeman]

I'm glad I could educate you. And as for the koala hiking to the other trees in the background i'm sure once he gets there some nice human representing some nice company will clear all of that land too :wink:


Speaking of educating someone, here a link on what is really killing the koalas.

http://www.realclearscience.com/2013/04/16/why_is_chlamydia_killing_koalas_252532.html


Maybe we can teach them to use condoms.

[zelmo1234]

While I am not a huge fan of clear cutting, their are some trees that do better if you remove all of them and either replant, or in MI the aspen stands are clear cut ahd they come back with a vengance, creating a lot of habitiat for grouse and woodcock!

But I do find it funny that In some states like CA they have stopped logging all together, and mother nature tends to brun off the forests for renewal.

Old Growth forest support very little in the form of wildlife!

[countryboy]

I don't know exactly. The underlying point was to show how a tree is not just a resource for us. It is also shared by other living creatures.
Then perhaps you should find out. I see a lot of trees in the picture just behind the koala.

[Greenridgeman]

I almost responded to you seriously, then I realized you were making a joke.

Good one!



http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2567&d=1367694127




I think the expression says "It hurts when I pee."

Poor chlamydia infected thing.

[Chris]

Then perhaps you should find out. I see a lot of trees in the picture just behind the koala.

Perhaps I can help...from the OP:


According to Australia's Wildlife Information, Rescue and Education Service(WIRES), the sub-adult male koala was recently discovered sitting atop the remnants of what was once his home in Vittoria State Forest, New South Wales. Although the logging operation was approved by the forestry service, judging by the koala's confused expression, not everyone got the memo.

"the logging operation" is a link, but it doesn't got to information about "the logging operation", it goes to something else: http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/dna-fingerprinting-used-fight-illegal-logging.html. Oh my, illegal logging!!

But that's not what the OP is about. Investigating further who is responsible for "the logging operation ... approved by the forestry service" only to find that's somewhat misleading as well. What I found was this, that the operation was done by the Forestry Corporation (http://www.forestrycorporation.com.au/visiting/forests/vittoria-state-forest). Well, damn those lousy corporations!

But that too is misleading for, in its About we find:


Forestry Corporation of NSW is the largest manager of commercial native and plantation forests in NSW. Managing more than two million hectares of forests for the economic, environmental and social benefit of the people of NSW and Australia, Forestry Corporation of NSW adheres to the values of integrity, collaboration, respect, innovation, customer and stakeholder focus, safety and sustainability.

As a state owned corporation, Forestry Corporation will remain publicly owned and the nature of the business and business relationships will remain largely the same but the governance structures will change to improve the organisation’s commercial performance. We are a major force in the state’s timber industry which contributes nearly $1 billion to the NSW economy annually. As a state owned corporation under the direction of a skilled commercial board, Forestry Corporation will be able to focus sharply on its core business of growing and harvesting timber to meet the community’s needs for hardwood and softwood products while still providing recreational opportunities for the people of New South Wales.

Once again, behind the curtain of corporate greed lies government.

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[BillyBob]

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I think the expression says "It hurts when I pee."

Poor chlamydia infected thing.


Somebody should have warned him about Jillian.

[countryboy]

Perhaps I can help...from the OP:



"the logging operation" is a link, but it doesn't got to information about "the logging operation", it goes to something else: http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/dna-fingerprinting-used-fight-illegal-logging.html. Oh my, illegal logging!!

But that's not what the OP is about. Investigating further who is responsible for "the logging operation ... approved by the forestry service" only to find that's somewhat misleading as well. What I found was this, that the operation was done by the Forestry Corporation (http://www.forestrycorporation.com.au/visiting/forests/vittoria-state-forest). Well, damn those lousy corporations!

But that too is misleading for, in its About we find:



Once again, behind the curtain of corporate greed lies government.

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Sooooo, Chloe is your sock? Who knew?

BTW, I thought that was agin the rules.

[Greenridgeman]

Sooooo, Chloe is your sock? Who knew?

BTW, I thought that was agin the rules.



I like the avatar, reminds me to go to the dermatologist before fishing gets going hard.

[countryboy]

I like the avatar, reminds me to go to the dermatologist before fishing gets going hard.Thank you, please do.

BTW, tomorrow is Melanoma Awareness Day.

[BillyBob]

Thank you, please do.BTW, tomorrow is Melanoma Awareness Day.

I'm gonna celebrate by working on my tan.

[countryboy]

I'm gonna celebrate by working on my tan.

It's your life.

[Chris]

Sooooo, Chloe is your sock? Who knew?

BTW, I thought that was agin the rules.

What are you trying to say?

[Greenridgeman]

Thank you, please do.

BTW, tomorrow is Melanoma Awareness Day.




I am aware of it EVERY DAY!

[Chris]

Somebody should have warned him about Jillian.

BillyBob: That insult is plainly over the line, thread banned. See rules: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/6236-The-Political-Forums-Revised-Rules-and-Regulations

[countryboy]

I am aware of it EVERY DAY!

Me too. Have you been diagnosed with Melanoma?

[Greenridgeman]

Me too. Have you been diagnosed with Melanoma?


Not yet, but they just keep burning and cutting the cancerous and pre-cancerous lesions off every visit.

Basal cell they call it maybe, I don't know, but every time I leave the dermatogist I feel like I kicked a wasp nest.

[countryboy]

Not yet, but they just keep burning and cutting the cancerous and pre-cancerous lesions off every visit.

Basal cell they call it maybe, I don't know, but every time I leave the dermatogist I feel like I kicked a wasp nest.

I'm sorry man. Keep after it, I wish you all the best.

[Greenridgeman]

I'm sorry man. Keep after it, I wish you all the best.



You have to die from something, Christ promised me He would not send me any grief I could not handle without Him.

So far, despite many burdens, trials and tribulations, He has kept the promise, and I have kept the Faith.

[Peter1469]

I have had several basal cell cancers cut off. It is the best cancer in the world to have if you have to get cancer at all.

I was dating my doctor at one point in Korea and she used my leatherman tool to cut out stitches on my forearm from basal cell. I had to take a couple of shots of vodka to keep from passing out.

[countryboy]

I have had several basal cell cancers cut off. It is the best cancer in the world to have if you have to get cancer at all.

I was dating my doctor at one point in Korea and she used my leatherman tool to cut out stitches on my forearm from basal cell. I had to take a couple of shots of vodka to keep from passing out.

Holy smokes! Great story.....I think. :D What kind of vodka? :D :D

Greenie weenie thread derail successful......:D:D:D Just kidding, sorry Chloe.

[Peter1469]

Holy smokes! Great story.....I think. :D What kind of vodka? :D :D

Greenie weenie thread derail successful......:D:D:D Just kidding, sorry Chloe.

I don't remember the vodka. I remember almost passing out as she pulled the stitches out.

[Chloe]

Holy smokes! Great story.....I think. :D What kind of vodka? :D :D

Greenie weenie thread derail successful......:D:D:D Just kidding, sorry Chloe.

It's ok don't worry about it

[countryboy]

It's ok don't worry about it
Back on topic. I am not in favor of rampant clear cutting. There is are ways to responsibly harvest timber, and for the most part, we do a good job in this country. It is definitely a renewable resource.

I think what little old growth forest remains should be preserved. I lived near Calaveras Big Trees State Park (http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=551) for a couple of years, and the majesty of the old growth Giant Sequoia trees is something everyone should see.

I practice selective timber cutting, and responsible forest management on my own small property. :)

[Greenridgeman]

Back on topic. I am not in favor of rampant clear cutting. There is are ways to responsibly harvest timber, and for the most part, we do a good job in this country. It is definitely a renewable resource.

I think what little old growth forest remains should be preserved. I lived near Calaveras Big Trees State Park (http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=551) for a couple of years, and the majesty of the old growth Giant Sequoia trees is something everyone should see.

I practice selective timber cutting, and responsible forest management on my own small property. :)


Most of the timber companies here clearcut fewer than 100 acres at a time, replanting, thinning in 10years, again in 20 years, and sometimes clearcutting again at 30 years.

There are even some 60 year old plantations down the road but that is the extreme.

[Chris]

Right, the problem the koala faced was not timber companies, who wouldn't put themselves out of business, but government-owned and -run forestry corporation as I showed in post #21.

[Greenridgeman]

Right, the problem the koala faced was not timber companies, who wouldn't put themselves out of business, but government-owned and -run forestry corporation as I showed in post #21.


I certainly hope a government forester didn't infect the little buggers.

http://www.realclearscience.com/2013...as_252532.html (http://www.realclearscience.com/2013/04/16/why_is_chlamydia_killing_koalas_252532.html)

[Chris]

I certainly hope a government forester didn't infect the little buggers.

http://www.realclearscience.com/2013...as_252532.html (http://www.realclearscience.com/2013/04/16/why_is_chlamydia_killing_koalas_252532.html)

Sqw that, wouldn't surprise me .

[shaarona]

Forest mgmt has changed a lot in the past 30 years... Any university forestry program can explain the whys of it and the success of it.

I did a select cut on 60 acres years ago and a clear cut about ten years ago under new guidelines. This new forest is much healthier than the regrowth on the select cut forest.

[Greenridgeman]

Forest mgmt has changed a lot in the past 30 years... Any university forestry program can explain the whys of it and the success of it.

I did a select cut on 60 acres years ago and a clear cut about ten years ago under new guidelines. This new forest is much healthier than the regrowth on the select cut forest.




I made 85 acres of prime deer land and a $25,000 by buying a mismanaged piece of land and clearcutting it.

I was going to do replanting this year, but, it is too wet, and may not dry out this year.

[roadmaster]

Forest mgmt has changed a lot in the past 30 years... Any university forestry program can explain the whys of it and the success of it.

I did a select cut on 60 acres years ago and a clear cut about ten years ago under new guidelines. This new forest is much healthier than the regrowth on the select cut forest.
Yes it has changed for the better. Growing up it was rare to see a tornado and I do believe because of the trees that were cut in the mountains that shielded them the Carolinas are getting more formations. But then again I could be wrong.

[Greenridgeman]

Yes it has changed for the better. Growing up it was rare to see a tornado and I do believe because of the trees that were cut in the mountains that shielded them the Carolinas are getting more formations. But then again I could be wrong.



I imagine you are way wrong, but who knows.

A tree is a toothpick to a tornado.

[Micketto]

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