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Chris
05-10-2013, 06:14 AM
The problem:


As Nobel Prize winner and freedom fighter Milton Friedman often reminded us, the true size of the government is measured by how much it spends rather than by how much we pay in taxes. As we enter Barack Obama’s second term, a look at government spending patterns during the last few decades offers some relevant—and surprising—insights.

With the one clear exception of President Dwight Eisenhower, all Republican and Democratic administrations between 1945 and 2013 have increased spending from their predecessor’s final fiscal year in office....

When trying to understand the differences in spending between administrations, the president’s ideology or party is a very poor predictor of how much the government will grow. Obama ran for re-election as a big-government Democrat, but his spending pattern (until now) did not quite fit his ideology. By contrast, Reagan ran as a fiscally conservative candidate and George W. Bush claimed to believe in small government, but both oversaw large spending increases.

Out-of-control spending is a bipartisan problem. With a few exceptions, no matter who occupies the White House, the government tends to become larger and more expensive....

Economist Veronique de Rugy @ Spending: A Bipartisan Love Story (http://reason.com/archives/2013/05/09/spending-a-bipartisan-love-story)


A solution:


America faces an alarming growth gap — a gap between where our economy is in the present recovery compared with where our economy should be in an average recovery. More troubling, many economists now believe America faces a new normal with a permanent growth gap that lowers our future economic growth rate from the robust 3.3 percent of the past 50 years to a projected 2.2 percent.

...Though the president and Congress resolved the so-called “fiscal cliff” issue, the economy continues to grow at an anemic pace. The current recovery trails the average American economic recovery by 4.1 million private-sector jobs and $1.2 trillion in real gross domestic product (GDP).

In addition to the economic headwinds created by higher taxes, the president’s new healthcare reform law and a tsunami of poorly conceived federal regulations, there remains a real skepticism among investors that Washington will act soon to credibly address the long-term financial crisis.

The White House doesn’t seem to take it seriously. Their massive Keynesian stimulus failed to jump-start the economy, and now the effects of this spending surge are diminishing the opportunity for all Americans to support their families and contribute to America’s prosperity. Class warfare and populist cries of “tax the rich” are insufficient to return the nation to a fiscally sustainable course. Washington’s problem is not that we tax too little, it is that we spend too much.

Getting spending under control and rightsizing the federal government is the key to reinvigorating our economy and closing the growth gap. The problem is that if Washington were a manufacturing plant, it would be designed to manufacture spending. If we want it to manufacture savings and efficiency, we need to retool the plant.

The credible macroeconomic approach that I have offered in this debate is the Maximizing America’s Prosperity (MAP) Act. The MAP Act would reduce non-interest spending over a decade to 16.5 percent of potential GDP — back to a Clinton-era level — therein keeping spending on a lower, stable, predictable path through economic booms and busts. The MAP Act uses smarter metrics to erect guardrails to keeps future Congresses and presidents from “jumping the rails” to spend beyond our country’s means. The metrics are....

Kevin Brady @ Rejuvenate US growth with spending control (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/298621-rejuvenate-us-growth-with-spending-control)

Cigar
05-10-2013, 06:51 AM
History will look back on the 112th and 113th Congress and prove that doing nothing was the worst decision ever, because the results will some the truth.

Putting people back to work was far more important than putting people out of work, because we have a earning problem.



We allowed Government Workers to convince people that Government Workers are Bad for America.
We allowed Government Workers who have Government Backed Health Care, convince people that Government Backed Health Care is a Bad thing.
We allowed Government Workers who work less 165 days a year, convince people that Overtime Pay is Bad.
We allowed Government Workers who work less 165 days a year and who get paid a minimum $175k a year, convince people that $7.25 per hour is more than enough for a living wage.


We'll all look back and wonder ... who did the Republican Party truly represent?

Thank God they are all Gone! :)

Mainecoons
05-10-2013, 07:24 AM
Too bad you can't address the topic and so just post your usual nonsense.

Looks like a cut and paste as well. We all know you can't write correct sentences or spell either.

Idiot.

Chris
05-10-2013, 07:43 AM
"History will look back on the 112th and 113th Congress and prove that doing nothing was the worst decision ever, because the results will some the truth."


How do you know this?

Cigar
05-10-2013, 07:56 AM
"History will look back on the 112th and 113th Congress and prove that doing nothing was the worst decision ever, because the results will some the truth."


How do you know this?

History ... that's how I know.

History has always proven that people who do nothing, achieve nothing.


... also that's what Billy Preston said :nothing from nothing leaves nothing ... :grin:

http://drbristol.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/billy-preston.jpg

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:00 AM
did you miss the thread yesterday that shows how many economists disagree with your historically failed ideas OP?

Chris
05-10-2013, 09:23 AM
History ... that's how I know.

History has always proven that people who do nothing, achieve nothing.


... also that's what Billy Preston said :nothing from nothing leaves nothing ... :grin:

http://drbristol.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/billy-preston.jpg

Not spending means leaving wealth to the people. That's doing something.

Chris
05-10-2013, 09:24 AM
did you miss the thread yesterday that shows how many economists disagree with your historically failed ideas OP?

Still waiting for you to produce data to support your opinion.

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:26 AM
the link had them in them and links to the studies themselfs were right there.

what does it serve you to lie about it when I can produce that thread and PROVE you are bieng dishonest?

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:27 AM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/12895-who-says-fiscal-policy-is-hurting-the-economy


boom goes the dynomite

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:28 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/who-says-fiscal-policy-is-hurting-the-economy-almost-everyone-20130509

denying facts in evidence makes your decisions flawed



Government spending should not be cut, at least not while the economy is still trying to recover, they argue. Here’s what 10 economists or groups of economists have recently said:

"Fiscal tightening will take 1.8 percentage points off of growth this year compared to 1 percent in each of the past two years.”—Reuters report (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-04-11/news/38463086_1_job-cuts-first-quarter-growth-economy) on an estimate from Michael Gapen, senior U.S. economist at Barclays Capital, April 11.

"Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics, said fiscal policy should shave 1.5 percentage points from gross domestic product growth in 2013. The fiscal contraction coming this year will be the biggest pinch since the government drew down forces at the end of World War II, he added.”—The Hill (http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/298103-sequester-expected-to-hit-job-market-over-summer), May 8.

"The budget sequester, which went into effect March 1, is projected to subtract about 0.3 percentage point from GDP growth in 2013 if maintained until the end of this fiscal year (Sept. 30, 2013) as assumed by the IMF staff. If the sequester continues into the next fiscal year, it could shave another 0.2 percentage point from GDP growth in 2013.”—International Monetary Fund, April World Economic Outlook report (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2013/01/pdf/text.pdf).

"Fiscal policy is restraining economic growth.”—Federal Reserve’s Federal Open Market Committee (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20130501a.htm), May 1.

“The minutes of the meeting by the Federal Advisory Council [private-sector advisers to the central bank] trace how the 12 bankers’ views evolved from opposition to the Fed’s announcement of new bond buying in September to support for Fed efforts in February to boost an economic expansion beset by a ‘drag’ from fiscal tightening.”—Bloomberg report (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-07/fed-advisory-panel-warned-of-rising-credit-risk-to-banks.html), May 8.

A less-than-expected budget deficit—the debt the government owes so far this year—means less pressure for further austerity policies, but that doesn’t mean there won’t still be a drag this year. “In our view, the most important implication from the reduction in the budget deficit for the near-term economic outlook is reduced pressure for further fiscal retrenchment. Partly for this reason, we expect the drag from fiscal policy on real GDP growth to decline sharply from around 2 percent of GDP in 2013 to around 0.5 percent in coming years.”—Goldman Sachs economists, April 10.

"All things considered, still tight lending standards explain why the U.S. economic recovery was so lackluster in the first few years after the recession ended, but increasingly it is contractionary fiscal policy and the weakness of global demand that explains why U.S. growth is still below par.”—Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics, May 6.

"The slowing pace of global growth, and contractionary U.S. fiscal policy are the key risks to growth.”—Carl B. Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics, May 2.

"Fiscal tightening is hurting."—Ian Shepherdson (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323528404578452602437259228.html), chief economist at Pantheon Macroeconomic Advisors, April.

"The slowing pace of global growth, and contractionary U.S. fiscal policy are the key risks to growth.”—Nomura, May 3.




3 links to the studies they are speaking of

Chris
05-10-2013, 09:28 AM
the link had them in them and links to the studies themselfs were right there.

what does it serve you to lie about it when I can produce that thread and PROVE you are bieng dishonest?

Your links went to projections and speculation not data.

Provide links to the thread to prove you have no data. Hoist your own petard.

Chris
05-10-2013, 09:29 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/who-says-fiscal-policy-is-hurting-the-economy-almost-everyone-20130509

denying facts in evidence makes your decisions flawed

What facts? Where's the data?

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:30 AM
denying reality is not a good political strategy

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:31 AM
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2013/01/pdf/text.pdf


one of the studies used

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:32 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-07/fed-advisory-panel-warned-of-rising-credit-risk-to-banks.html


this is a pretty trusted group dude

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:33 AM
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-04-11/news/38463086_1_job-cuts-first-quarter-growth-economy


they are right in the info given.


what does it serve you to pretend they are not there?

Chris
05-10-2013, 09:36 AM
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-04-11/news/38463086_1_job-cuts-first-quarter-growth-economy


they are right in the info given.


what does it serve you to pretend they are not there?

None of it is based on data. You can scream and jump up and down and wave your hands, but without data you've got nothing.

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:38 AM
and your proof of that is what?

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:41 AM
the world economic survey is not based on data?


why do yiou do this chris?

it does not serve you or your party to just flat out lie into the face of facts

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 09:42 AM
this is why the R party is called the stupid party

Chris
05-10-2013, 11:12 AM
and your proof of that is what?

My proof of what is what?

Chris
05-10-2013, 11:14 AM
the world economic survey is not based on data?


why do yiou do this chris?

it does not serve you or your party to just flat out lie into the face of facts

What world economic data?

I don't have a party. You're making less and less sense.

Chris
05-10-2013, 11:15 AM
this is why the R party is called the stupid party

Huh? R is stupid because you can't provide data to support your assertions, yea, that makes sense.

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 11:25 AM
what does it gain you to lie straight into the face of facts?

truthmatters
05-10-2013, 11:26 AM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/12895-who-says-fiscal-policy-is-hurting-the-economy


boom goes the dynomite


facts are facts

Chris
05-10-2013, 11:32 AM
what does it gain you to lie straight into the face of facts?

What does it gain you to make things like that up?

Chris
05-10-2013, 11:34 AM
facts are facts

Where are your facts, we here's the data? Opinions are not facts. Speculations are not facts.

patrickt
05-10-2013, 11:39 AM
Truthdoesntmatter seems to think that if you take a big pile of bullshit and divide it into little teeny tiny posts of bullshit it turns into gold nuggets.

I do complement both him and Cigar on changing the subject again. Liberals have nothing but lies and distraction to fall back on.

simpsonofpg
05-10-2013, 11:49 AM
History will look back on the 112th and 113th Congress and prove that doing nothing was the worst decision ever, because the results will some the truth.

Putting people back to work was far more important than putting people out of work, because we have a earning problem.


We allowed Government Workers to convince people that Government Workers are Bad for America.
We allowed Government Workers who have Government Backed Health Care, convince people that Government Backed Health Care is a Bad thing.
We allowed Government Workers who work less 165 days a year, convince people that Overtime Pay is Bad.
We allowed Government Workers who work less 165 days a year and who get paid a minimum $175k a year, convince people that $7.25 per hour is more than enough for a living wage.

We'll all look back and wonder ... who did the Republican Party truly represent?

Thank God they are all Gone! :)

I have jumped on and off your band wagon so many times I have bed knees. This time I am 100% on your side. It could not have been said better.
thanks

Chris
05-10-2013, 11:56 AM
I have jumped on and off your band wagon so many times I have bed knees. This time I am 100% on your side. It could not have been said better.
thanks

Maybe you can explain how government creates job.