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Chris
05-11-2013, 08:44 AM
Let the Light Shine

Today we learned that our government targeted and harassed conservative Americans who simply wanted to be involved in the national discussion. Is it any wonder why Americans are so distrustful of D.C.? I'm sure President Obama is grateful for all the help the IRS gave his reelection campaign, but, still, you have to wonder how the bureaucrats who tried to pull this off can sleep at night.

So many Americans knew this was happening, but many felt defenseless and even helpless against a government that seems to roll along without accountability or sense of obligation to the people it’s supposed to serve. These Americans were mocked for being concerned about this, but now we see light shining on the truth, finally.

This IRS revelation is another step in the unraveling of the Obama administration's self-proclaimed “hope and change.” Between the Benghazi cover-up and the IRS targeting Obama’s political opponents, we see the corruption at the heart of big government.

Americans should remember that this same corrupt IRS will be in charge of enforcing Obamacare. And this same inept and corrupt government will supposedly secure our now unsecured borders in advance of immigration reform and will implement a completely ethical and non-political IPAB panel to make life and death health care decisions for you and your family. Forgive me for not trusting these big government promises any more than I trust the White House’s latest Benghazi spin or the IRS’ fairness.

Despite all of this, I still believe that this “fundamental transformation of America” is temporary. This attempted transformation into a disheartened, weakened, unrecognizable nation is so far below anything Americans deserve. It becomes permanent only if we throw up our hands and surrender to the corruption and cover-ups.

We must demand more light shine on all that’s transpiring in D.C.’s self-absorbed bubble. On the IRS scandal, we must have accountability and a full investigation. On Benghazi, Speaker Boehner must create a Select Committee with full investigative and subpoena authority to get to the bottom of the cover-up. Keep the faith, friends.

- Sarah Palin

@ https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10151606278968588



In early 2012 several conservative groups of the Tea Party persuasion reported they were getting strange letters from the IRS demanding more information than they believed typical for 501(c)4 non-profit political groups — sometimes hundreds of pages more....

Were they really being targeted or were they just being paranoid about tiresome, exhaustive but actually common IRS bureaucratic meddling? Turns out they were being targeted, after all. Today, an IRS head admitted as much and apologized. Via the Associated Press:


Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews.

Lerner said the practice, initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati, was wrong and she apologized while speaking at a conference in Washington.

@ http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/irs-admits-targeting-tea-party-groups-du



The Internal Revenue Service on Friday apologized for targeting groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names, confirming long-standing accusations by some conservatives that their applications for tax-exempt status were being improperly delayed and scrutinized.

Lois G. Lerner, the IRS official who oversees tax-exempt groups, said the “absolutely inappropriate” actions by “front-line people” were not driven by partisan motives....

@ http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/irs-admits-targeting-conservatives-for-tax-scrutiny-in-2012-election/2013/05/10/3b6a0ada-b987-11e2-92f3-f291801936b8_story.html

BillyBob
05-11-2013, 08:45 AM
The IRS has become a tool of intimidation for the demo-fascist party.

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 08:49 AM
One person and they are being punished and the tax payers invilved are being appologized to.


this is not systemic so dont lie about it

Chris
05-11-2013, 08:53 AM
One person and they are being punished and the tax payers invilved are being appologized to.


this is not systemic so dont lie about it


Nice well poisoning, matters. So because you think it was one person you think it's OK for our government to do this?

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:10 AM
its what the facts say.

Prove its more than that

Chris
05-11-2013, 09:18 AM
its what the facts say.

Prove its more than that

Will it matter, matters, you're wrong:


Corruption: We're supposed to believe "low-level workers" are behind IRS abuse of conservatives. But this White House has used the IRS against political enemies before.

'I'm not good at math," said an apologetic director of the Internal Revenue Service's tax-exempt entities division on Friday, after the agency's targeting of conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election became known.

Groups with "tea party" or "patriot" in their names were harassed. But we're assured political bias wasn't the motivation (nothing political about "tea party," right?) and that higher-ups never knew....

@ http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2013/05/11/irs_vs_conservatives_corruption_or_incompetence_10 0317.html


...On Friday, an Internal Revenue Service official disclosed for the first time, and by way of apologizing, that the agency that wields the taxing power of the federal government had targeted conservative groups for special scrutiny during the 2012 election season. Apology or not, that can't be the end of the matter.

...Ms. Lerner acknowledged that the agency had flagged groups with the words "tea party" or "patriot" to have their tax returns inspected, presumably with an eye on the legality of their tax exemption. Ms. Lerner called this "inappropriate," which it certainly was, and she said it wasn't done "out of any political bias," which is hard to believe. If there was no political bias, why were only conservative groups targeted? White House spokesman Jay Carney also called the IRS actions "inappropriate" on Friday, which makes that the word of the day....

@ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324744104578474932153689410.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:21 AM
what is it your claiming with those links?


do you remember what your party did to the DOJ?


why is it you guys try to turn everything into some huge scandal?


Your party ran amouck and you defeneded it at every turn

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:23 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy


your team fired a lady prosicutor after she put in prison a cheating repoublican Cunningham.


talk about retaliation

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:24 AM
This was taken care of internally and the person is in big trouble.


how did your party handle your own crap?

Chris
05-11-2013, 09:26 AM
You were wrong, groups were targeted not just a single individual.

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:27 AM
I didnt say it was one person targeted.

the PERSON who ordered it is the the one person and they are in big trouble BECAUSE the system sself policed.

stop lying

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:28 AM
Now why was it OK for Bush to target DOJ employees who jailed cheating republicans?

zelmo1234
05-11-2013, 09:30 AM
The IRS has become a tool of intimidation for the demo-fascist party.

They have been used by the republican too! this is party neutral.

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:34 AM
gee all of the sudden you are gettingall bipartisan

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:35 AM
This ISSUE was brought to you attention by the IRS you fools.

they took care of the a....hole themsselves.

what do you do ?


say they are all criminals

patrickt
05-11-2013, 09:36 AM
They have been used by the republican too! this is party neutral.
Possibly but do you have and substantiation for this. My father was harassed by the IRS for years but it was personal. I recall President Nixon wanting to use the IRS to attack his "enemies" but they wouldn't do it.

I also remember that both this President and President Clinton did have the IRS auditing their "enemies".

I there might be some nitwits who think since the IRS reported this they are innocents. What is the absolute best defense is the whistle is about to be blown. Oh, right, report it, blame some low-level scapegoat, and count on liberal nitwits to buy the story.

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:38 AM
see the flat out lies

truthmatters
05-11-2013, 09:39 AM
Porve your claim with facts pat

Chris
05-11-2013, 10:38 AM
I didnt say it was one person targeted.

the PERSON who ordered it is the the one person and they are in big trouble BECAUSE the system sself policed.

stop lying

To be honest your English is so atrocious and you make so much up out of whole cloth it is difficult to read what you post.

But OK, not just as you first claimed: "One person and they are being punished"

"Lerner said the practice, initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati, was wrong and she apologized while speaking at a conference in Washington."

The s is added, you know, to indicate plural.

So you're wrong again.

Chris
05-11-2013, 10:40 AM
see the flat out lies

Another reason people have trouble understanding you, besides atrocious English and making things up, is your misuse of words. Just because someone says something you dislike or disagree with doesn't make it a lie.

Mainecoons
05-11-2013, 05:23 PM
This is getting better. The AP got their hands on an Inspector General's report from 2011 which indicates that senior IRS officials knew what was going on. Once again, another member of the Obama administration gets up and blatantly lies in public.

It is an attitude and mentality that comes right from the top with this bunch.


WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general’s report obtained by The Associated Press that seemingly contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner.The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was ‘‘inappropriate’’ targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.
But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog’s report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with ‘‘Tea Party,’’ ‘'Patriot’’ or ‘‘9/12 Project’’ in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted/A4mmDfhHIN2U1KjczTLsnJ/story.html

patrickt
05-11-2013, 05:42 PM
I said in another forum that the IRS suspected the news was coming out so they tried a preemptive strike. That's exactly what it was and their preemptive strike was lies.

BillyBob
05-11-2013, 07:42 PM
Another reason people have trouble understanding you, besides atrocious English and making things up, is your misuse of words. Just because someone says something you dislike or disagree with doesn't make it a lie.

Welcome to the world of liberalism.

ptif219
05-13-2013, 04:10 PM
If Obama knew nothing of this he is incompetent in his job. I think Obama is in this and his hate for the GOP is all over this.

I want to know how low level staffers get authorized to make and print these documents. When will these supposed low level people be brought up on fraud charges for doing what they were not authrizewd to do. As always Obama's explanation for his scandals make no sense.

Chris
05-13-2013, 04:19 PM
To hell with Obama, let's disband the IRS.

"1913 wasn't a very good year. 1913 gave us the income tax, the 16th amendment and the IRS."
~Ron Paul

Agravan
05-13-2013, 04:27 PM
To hell with Obama, let's disband the IRS.

"1913 wasn't a very good year. 1913 gave us the income tax, the 16th amendment and the IRS."
~Ron Paul
But then, who will collect the fines for Obamacare?

Chris
05-13-2013, 07:54 PM
George Will calls it jaw dropping. He asks what would have happened had the IRS targeted groups with Progressive in their title. Then he reads from an impeachment article of Nixon. Video at http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/12/george-will-on-irs-tea-party-attacks-how-stupid-do-they-think-we-are/

simpsonofpg
05-13-2013, 09:21 PM
One person and they are being punished and the tax payers invilved are being appologized to.

We didn't blame the pilot who dropped the bomb in Japan, Truman accedpted responsibility. How about Obama face the true, he is in charge and it is his fault. You can keep trying to point the finger at other but inj the final anylysis he is responsible and the buck in fact does stop at his desk.
this is not systemic so dont lie about it

Chris
05-14-2013, 05:51 AM
You've got to love Obama. Here we have a well-document, admitted to case of government abuse and Obama's response is it's outrageous IF it's true.

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 07:57 AM
you dont want it investigated?

you just want to jump straight to were the facts are not going?

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 07:57 AM
PROVE with facts that it involves Obama

zelmo1234
05-14-2013, 08:03 AM
PROVE with facts that it involves Obama

I am on your side on this one! they shold be follwong the facts in this investigation!

If and when they find those that acutally directed this, then and only then should heads should roll, so to speak!

jillian
05-14-2013, 08:10 AM
I am on your side on this one! they shold be follwong the facts in this investigation!

If and when they find those that acutally directed this, then and only then should heads should roll, so to speak!

^^^^^^

that

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 08:26 AM
what if it turns out they were going after liberals who scream in the streets that taxes are illegal and the IRS are criminals?


can you find some?

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 08:27 AM
how can you equally inforce something that is not equally claimed?

TheDictator
05-14-2013, 08:31 AM
PROVE with facts that it involves Obama

That is where the investigation come in.

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 08:33 AM
then why are you people claiming things that are not in evidence?

Private Pickle
05-14-2013, 08:54 AM
what if it turns out they were going after liberals who scream in the streets that taxes are illegal and the IRS are criminals?


can you find some?

Liberals that scream taxes are illegal? Do they even exist?

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 08:55 AM
maybe you are getting it.

How can they equally red flag liberals when they dont say those crazy things that would make ANYONE sthink they would be willing to cheat the IRS

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 08:56 AM
When you walk the town siging about killing your wife the police may start listening to you

zelmo1234
05-14-2013, 08:58 AM
There are a lot on the left that have given up running cover! Nice to see that there are those that thin the IRS is a political tool still trying to justify it!

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 09:02 AM
PROVE that the facts show what you claim.

the facts are not all in.

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 09:03 AM
is the IRS allowed to reg flag certain types of filings?

jillian
05-14-2013, 09:06 AM
is the IRS allowed to reg flag certain types of filinfs?

i'm not sure what a filinfs is, but the IRS is allowed to red flag certain types of things, like, for example, home office exemptions. everyone knows that if you have one and you take it as a deduction, you will likely be audited. why? because there is a huge amount of potential fraud in that area.

they have the right to flag these 501(c)(4) corporations, but not to do it based on party affiliation... for example, if they flagged both liberal and conservative applications, and treated them the same, there wouldn't be any problem.

but if the allegation is true that conservative applications were the only ones being flagged, heads should roll.

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 09:12 AM
do you think its reasonable to assume that the people screaming in the streets that the IRS is a criminal organization and that taxes are unconstitutional might cheat on their taxes?


If they were targeted for that then itsz fine huh?


If they were targeted to stop their activities then that is different .

Not one was denied the status

Ransom
05-14-2013, 09:15 AM
maybe you are getting it.

How can they equally red flag liberals when they dont say those crazy things that would make ANYONE sthink they would be willing to cheat the IRS

What is said you may believe is crazy, an IRS may indeed believe crazy....but must remain neutral. Free speech whether you find it crazy or not is Constitutionally protected, not to become a matter of concern to the IRS. Telling you don't get that.

TheDictator
05-14-2013, 09:18 AM
is the IRS allowed to reg flag certain types of filings?

What about flagging only Black People, would you still be Ok with that?

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 09:57 AM
your party did that under Bush.

they audited the NAACP

TheDictator
05-14-2013, 10:11 AM
your party did that under Bush.

they audited the NAACP

This was one org. ( not the targeting of black org. ) it was an investigation of accusations of improper political activity. Not the case here.

jillian
05-14-2013, 10:12 AM
This was one org. ( not the targeting of black org. ) it was an investigation of accusations of improper political activity. Not the case here.

if you say so.

i think it would probably behoove you to acknowledge that there can be scumminess all around.

TheDictator
05-14-2013, 10:21 AM
if you say so.

i think it would probably behoove you to acknowledge that there can be scumminess all around.

Oh I do, both sides are Political.

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 10:28 AM
This was one org. ( not the targeting of black org. ) it was an investigation of accusations of improper political activity. Not the case here.


and so is this

to get this special fling approved they have to not be poltical

ptif219
05-14-2013, 10:33 AM
PROVE with facts that it involves Obama

It is his administration so he is partially responsible. It shows Obama and his department heads are incompetent

ptif219
05-14-2013, 10:35 AM
i'm not sure what a filinfs is, but the IRS is allowed to red flag certain types of things, like, for example, home office exemptions. everyone knows that if you have one and you take it as a deduction, you will likely be audited. why? because there is a huge amount of potential fraud in that area.

they have the right to flag these 501(c)(4) corporations, but not to do it based on party affiliation... for example, if they flagged both liberal and conservative applications, and treated them the same, there wouldn't be any problem.

but if the allegation is true that conservative applications were the only ones being flagged, heads should roll.

But not political organizations that Obama disagrees with. This stinks as a political action from democrats

ptif219
05-14-2013, 10:36 AM
your party did that under Bush.

they audited the NAACP

Yet they did not do what was done here

ptif219
05-14-2013, 10:39 AM
Heads of departments knew which means once again we have an Obama cover up

http://news.yahoo.com/top-irs-official-didnt-reveal-tea-party-targeting-000016562.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/14/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE94B08I20130514

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-denounces-reported-irs-targeting-of-conservative-groups/2013/05/13/a0185644-bbdf-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_print.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/13/IRS-Employees-Donated-Over-Twice-As-Much-To-Obama

TheDictator
05-14-2013, 10:42 AM
and so is this

to get this special fling approved they have to not be poltical

No, that is not true, they can be political, there are rules about what political activitives they can do.

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 11:17 AM
Yet they did not do what was done here


how did tea party people get to act as non poltical entities?


every one who apllied was given the status

truthmatters
05-14-2013, 11:17 AM
so where is this big claimed cover up?

the governement is the one who told you it existed

TheDictator
05-14-2013, 12:12 PM
so where is this big claimed cover up?

the governement is the one who told you it existed

They were forced out.

ptif219
05-14-2013, 12:57 PM
how did tea party people get to act as non poltical entities?


every one who apllied was given the status

They were asked to give up information that was not asked of others

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/irs-asked-political-views-tea-party-groups-claim/story?id=19171967#.UZJ6m4J3Y7A


The IRS also released information

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/irs-sent-confidential-info-on-conservatives-to-liberal-nonprofit-propublica/

ptif219
05-14-2013, 12:58 PM
so where is this big claimed cover up?

the governement is the one who told you it existed

Obama denies knowledge and they originally said it was low level employees which has been proven false

JimH52
05-14-2013, 02:41 PM
fire the commissioner first!

JimH52
05-14-2013, 02:42 PM
Obama denies knowledge and they originally said it was low level employees which has been proven false

Maybe cause.....he didn't know? You think?

JimH52
05-14-2013, 02:43 PM
It is his administration so he is partially responsible. It shows Obama and his department heads are incompetent

It also shows you are the King of Hacks!

ptif219
05-14-2013, 03:06 PM
Maybe cause.....he didn't know? You think?

It seems Obama doesn't know about anything going on in his administration. This means he is incompetent and does not know how to run the country

ptif219
05-14-2013, 03:09 PM
It also shows you are the King of Hacks!

Not at all i know an incompetent person when I see one and Obama continues to show that it is him. He now has several scandals going on at once and he seems to not know about any of them. He just keeps getting caught in his lies.

Mainecoons
05-14-2013, 03:13 PM
He didn't know?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ptif219
05-14-2013, 04:31 PM
I would say this was Chicago style gutter politics during a political election campaign which means it smells like Obama was behind this


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/14/Progressive-Group-Says-IRS-Gave-Them-Confidential-Docs-On-Conservative-Groups

Agravan
05-14-2013, 05:09 PM
He didn't know?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ever notice that when something goes right (which is rare), of course Obama knew all about it, he planned, participated and accomplished it all by himself. But, when something goes wrong, the "smartest President we have ever had"TM, never knows anything?

Chris
05-14-2013, 06:23 PM
you dont want it investigated?

you just want to jump straight to were the facts are not going?

Where'd you ever get that idea, certainly not from what I've been saying, in fact I said it should be investigated to the highest levels of responsibility. Where do you come up with such ideas?

The facts are what they are, the deed was done, it's been admitted to, apologized for. Do you still deny that?

Chris
05-14-2013, 07:09 PM
Here, you go, matters, your be-sainted Obama will likely not be besotted, but other higher ups likely will, and it's from MotherJones which all know is unbiased:


...So this is President Obama's fault, right? There is no evidence of White House involvement....

So whose fault is it? Lerner pointed the finger at low-level, "frontline" staffers in the IRS's Cincinnati office, where staffers reviewed 501(c)(4) nonprofit applications. High-ranking IRS officials, Lerner said, were unaware of the practice.

But as described earlier, the Treasury inspector general's draft report (PDF) contradicts Lerner's claim to ignorance. The report says staffers informed Lerner of the "tea party" and "patriots" criteria as early as June 2011 and that Lerner told them to change that practice. And the Washington Post reported that IRS staffers in Washington and California took part in singling out conservative groups.

Expect members of Congress to grill Lerner and other IRS higher-ups over what they knew and when they knew it....

@ The IRS Tea Party Scandal, Explained (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/irs-tea-party-scandal-congress-nonprofit-obama)

Mainecoons
05-14-2013, 07:39 PM
http://freedomslighthouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/truman_buck_stops.jpg

Chris
05-14-2013, 07:47 PM
That sign got lost or stolen...

http://i.snag.gy/bi8du.jpg

zelmo1234
05-14-2013, 07:57 PM
fire the commissioner first!

I think that he should be suspended for sure pending his hearing before congress! @ that point if he was not acting under the orders of others above him, YES he should be canned and ban from taking a government job!

Ransom
05-14-2013, 08:05 PM
Maybe cause.....he didn't know? You think?

no doubt first he's heard of it.:rollseyes: