Republicans Sabotaging Obamacare At The Expense Of The Middle Class And Poor

[Cigar]

It is fact that the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, (http://egbertowillies.com/2012/06/28/president-obama-speech-supreme-court-upholds-affordable-care-act-obamacare/)is the law of the land (http://egbertowillies.com/2012/06/28/president-obama-speech-supreme-court-upholds-affordable-care-act-obamacare/). It is fact that Obamacare implements healthcare reform based on a policy of conservative think tank, Heritage Foundation (http://egbertowillies.com/2012/11/01/staunch-conservative-j-d-kleinke-makes-conservative-case-for-obamacare/), using private insurance instead of the much less expensive Medicare for all (single payer) model that most liberals want. It is fact that the Congressional Republicans have voted to repeal Obamacare 37 times (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/16/us-usa-healthcare-repeal-idUSBRE94F1CE20130516) and counting. It is fact that even as Republicans attempt to repeal Obamacare they have no plausible alternative to solve the key healthcare problems solved by Obamacare (http://www.policymic.com/articles/44543/37-failed-gop-attempts-to-repeal-obamacare-and-counting).


Obamacare includes exchanges that provide affordable healthcare insurance to all, secure healthcare insurance that cannot be rescinded, provide healthcare insurance that cannot be denied for pre-existing conditions, and provide healthcare insurance that includes early screening for diseases. If Americans understood the facts about Obamacare (http://egbertowillies.com/2012/07/03/must-use-obamacare-to-keep-republicans-on-the-defensive/), as opposed to the lies and misinformation maliciously being promoted by Republicans and their cohorts, most would be clamoring for it. This is not a game. It is a life and death issue for many. Many Republican governors have seen the light and have done the moral thing. Inasmuch as they claim to not like Obamacare, they have decided to implement it fully by accepting Medicaid expansion (http://egbertowillies.com/2013/02/05/republicans-cave-accept-obamacare-reality-trumps-ideology-video/).


Given that Republicans have failed at every turn, they are now intent on launching two specific campaigns. The first is a push to have Congress use the debt ceiling debate to attempt to defund the exchanges. The second is a massive and immoral sabotage effort, a misinformation campaign on the health exchanges where the uninsured can go to purchase affordable insurance.

Bloomberg reports this as follows.

Heritage Action for America, the advocacy arm of the Heritage Foundation (http://topics.bloomberg.com/heritage-foundation/), and the Tea Party-aligned group FreedomWorks will push Congress to cut off funding for the exchanges in the debate later this year over raising the debt ceiling, the Washington-based groups said. The chairman of the advocacy group Restore America’s Voice, Ken Hoagland, said he plans to warn people through advertising about the “dysfunctional” exchanges.


While opposition to the health (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GDP%24MCAR:IND)-care (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GDP%24MCAR:IND) program is nothing new, the tactics are changing. Rather than focusing on repealing the law in Congress and the courts, two avenues that have failed so far, the groups are aiming to prevent the cornerstone of the legislation, the insurance exchanges, from succeeding. Their goal is to limit enrollments, drive up costs, and make it easier to roll back all or part of the law later.


“If you’re committed to making sure Obamacare doesn’t go into effect, you have to focus on the expansion and on the exchanges,” said Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action. “Once you have people under a program, it’s really hard to change that system no matter how badly it needs change.”
Democratic supporters of the health-care law said critics are afraid that the measure will be a success and are out to prevent it.

Republicans are playing a dangerous game. They know if healthy people are scared off from joining the exchanges, then the cost of insurance on the exchanges will skyrocket and likely fail under their own weight. Ironically, under said eventuality, Americans are either taken care of by the taxpayers, increased premiums will be imposed for everyone else, and yes, many will simply die.


Republicans biggest fear, however, is the eventual success of Obamacare. Putting obstacles at every turn slows the process down even as many Americans are systematically hurt by their actions.


Because of the lack of funding from the Republicans’ intransigence in Congress, Secretary of the Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, has had to resort to raising private funds (e.g., Enroll America (http://www.enrollamerica.org/)) to aid in real truthful education on Obamacare and options for every American citizen.
Maybe Republicans should read this (http://egbertowillies.com/2013/05/27/americans-would-prefer-denmark-social-safety-net-taxes-if-informed/). They would learn that government can play a role in making lives better for all without damaging the country’s productivity or work ethic.


Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/28/republicans-sabotaging-obamacare-at-the-expense-of-the-middle-class-and-poor/#ixzz2UghuKKYy


Republicans biggest fear is the success of Obamacare.

They are launching two immoral acts of sabotage against health exchanges through lies & misinformation.

[zelmo1234]

ACA act will hurt full time employment:

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/05/was-the-april-jobs-report-really-the-obamacare-jobs-report/

The ACA increased the price of insurance:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/insurers-predict-100-to-400-obamacare-rate-explosion/article/2529523

Does it insure more people

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/07/look-out-below-the-obamacare-chaos-is-coming/

It cost business more, there are higher taxes, it will likely insure different people not more people, it reduces the quality of care!

LETS HOPE THAT THEY CAN HOLD IT OFF AS LONG AS POSSIBLE!

[Chris]

The OP lacks logic. If GOP attempts to repeal Obamacare have failed, then how could those failure sabotage it?

[jillian]

The OP lacks logic. If GOP attempts to repeal Obamacare have failed, then how could those failure sabotage it?

your response lacks logic because it neglects the fact that the plan must be administered. and for it to be administered in a beneficial fashion, it requires participation from the young and healthy. the constant drum beat of nonsense is intended to interfere with that participation and create uncertainty about it's administration.

[zelmo1234]

your response lacks logic because it neglects the fact that the plan must be administered. and for it to be administered in a beneficial fashion, it requires participation from the young and healthy. the constant drum beat of nonsense is intended to interfere with that participation and create uncertainty about it's administration.

I have asked this on many occasions, why in the world would the young and healthy pay for insurance under the ACA?

What would be to thier advantage to buy insurance?

[Cigar]

I have asked this on many occasions, why in the world would the young and healthy pay for insurance under the ACA?

What would be to thier advantage to buy insurance?

Ladies and Gentlemen ... this weeks idiot question of the week .... and it's only Wednesday :laugh:


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[nic34]

Ladies and Gentlemen ... this weeks idiot question of the week .... and it's only Wednesday :laugh:

The secret is out, he knows about the immortality of the young....

[Chris]

your response lacks logic because it neglects the fact that the plan must be administered. and for it to be administered in a beneficial fashion, it requires participation from the young and healthy. the constant drum beat of nonsense is intended to interfere with that participation and create uncertainty about it's administration.

What has your digression have to do with my comment on the OP? Your comments have nothing to do with failed attempts to repeal Obamacare.

[Chris]

Ladies and Gentlemen ... this weeks idiot question of the week .... and it's only Wednesday :laugh:


And what has your reply to zelmo to do with what he posted?


Talk about obstruction, what about Dem obfuscation?

[Mainecoons]

Ladies and Gentlemen ... this weeks idiot question of the week .... and it's only Wednesday :laugh:


http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/SemelE/2013/SemelE20130529_low.jpg

It's only an idiot question if you are an idiot, as you two seem determined to prove that you are once again.

Look at the statistics on how many young people, particularly young and single, buy insurance now. They don't because they don't want to. Now add in the impact on full time employment and company paid health benefits of Obama's misbegotten ideas and policies, and see if even the densest liberal here can grasp what the likely outcome is--even less buying it.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/04/uh-oh-obamacares-target-audience-doesnt

As usual, none of you, Cigar, Nic or Jillian, bothered to do a little reading up on why young people tend not to buy insurance now and would likely continue that practice. At least when we had more company sponsored plans, those lucky enough to get a job with a decent company under Obamanomics, would have been more likely to buy.

And Cigar, despite yet another of your stupid cartoons, the Republicans really don't have to repeal it. It is going to collapse on its own and the voters are going to repeal the people who voted for it in Congress.

You three are so representative of liberals in general, partisan hacks, ill informed and illiterate.

[Mainecoons]

Here's a really well done video about young people who don't, and won't buy insurance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tT3KiB2otV0

And the data:

http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2011/CPSHealthIns2011/ib.shtml

[Micketto]

Since most people want Obamacare repealed (as proven by the weekly poll Rasmussen took for over 2 1/2 years):

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/health_care_update_archive/october_2012/54_favor_repeal_of_obama_s_health_care_law

Then it seems the Republicans are just looking out for the people.

Leave it to the lunatic left to complain about that.

[Micketto]

You three are so representative of liberals in general, partisan hacks, ill informed and illiterate.

Worthy of repeat.

[Cigar]

Since most people want Obamacare repealed (as proven by the weekly poll Rasmussen took for over 2 1/2 years):

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/health_care_update_archive/october_2012/54_favor_repeal_of_obama_s_health_care_law

Then it seems the Republicans are just looking out for the people.

Leave it to the lunatic left to complain about that.

Monday, October 29, 2012 - Breaking News :laugh:

[Micketto]

Monday, October 29, 2012 - Breaking News :laugh:

No, it's not breaking news.
Everyone already knows Obamacare is unwanted by the majority.

That link was a legitimate poll that just happened to end in October... after 2 years of making the point.


(not everyone can be as current as your slavery topics).

[Mainecoons]

Back to the future. This is how you fix health care:

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/05/27/news/portland/south-portland-doctor-stops-accepting-insurance-posts-prices-online/

Interesting that when you cut out all the insurance and government BS this guy charges not that much more than a similar cash and carry U.S. trained physician in Mexico.

People can still have insurance but they have to be responsible for getting reimbursed. This is the way it was when I was young. And this is the way it needs to be again if you really want to bring medical costs in line.

[bladimz]

Republicans biggest fear is the success of Obamacare.

They are launching two immoral acts of sabotage against health exchanges through lies & misinformation.


Republicans biggest fear is the success of Obama...

[Chris]

Obama's a lame duck.

[bladimz]

No, it's not breaking news.
Everyone already knows Obamacare is unwanted by the majority.

That link was a legitimate poll that just happened to end in October... after 2 years of making the point.


(not everyone can be as current as your slavery topics).Oh..."Everyone already knows Obamacare is unwanted by the majority".

After much thought and consideration, here's my response: Everyone already knows Obamacare is wanted by the majority.

[bladimz]

Obama's a lame duck.A "little" obstruction goes a long way.

[Micketto]

Oh..."Everyone already knows Obamacare is unwanted by the majority".

After much thought and consideration, here's my response: Everyone already knows Obamacare is wanted by the majority.

Opinion is great.

I at least backed my statement up with a very reputable polling group.. and their very consistent results.

And other than your incorrect claim, you've got..... ?

[Chris]

A "little" obstruction goes a long way.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/13367-Enough-With-the-Bipartisanship

[jillian]

I have asked this on many occasions, why in the world would the young and healthy pay for insurance under the ACA?

What would be to thier advantage to buy insurance?

because young people need health coverage, too.

or do only old people get sick?

[Chris]

because young people need health coverage, too.

or do only old people get sick?

Shouldn't that be by their choice?

[bladimz]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/13367-Enough-With-the-Bipartisanship
If the intent of congress was to deny compromise based strictly on ideology, this country would have crumbled 200 years ago.

Battling the ACA law constantly (37 times) on the congressional clock has cost the taxpayers $48,000,000. (http://goo.gl/HUjQS) already. This is unjustifiable when you consider that this is only being done to appease the hard-right in their party.

Concerned about wasteful spending? Doesn't look like it from here. :wink:

[Cigar]

Shouldn't that be by their choice?

Who is forcing you?

[jillian]

Shouldn't that be by their choice?

you seem awfully concerned about "choice" when it doesn't concern women's ability to exercise dominion over their own bodies.

[Chris]

If the intent of congress was to deny compromise based strictly on ideology, this country would have crumbled 200 years ago.

Battling the ACA law constantly (37 times) on the congressional clock has cost the taxpayers $48,000,000. (http://goo.gl/HUjQS) already. This is unjustifiable when you consider that this is only being done to appease the hard-right in their party.

Concerned about wasteful spending? Doesn't look like it from here. :wink:

That thread says nothing about denying compromise. What it says is our government was designed for conflict so compromise wasn't easy.

If you're so concerned about the cost of running our government and especially Congress, then restrict the length of sessions.

[Chris]

Who is forcing you?

I'm old. I have insurance I pay for.

[Chris]

you seem awfully concerned about "choice" when it doesn't concern women's ability to exercise dominion over their own bodies.

Why do you continue to misrepresent my position on that, jill?

[bladimz]

That thread says nothing about denying compromise. What it says is our government was designed for conflict so compromise wasn't easy.No. It's not designed for conflict. Our legislative branch was designed to have representatives from districts all over the country to deliver the wishes of their constituents. Conflicts arise, and must be dealt with. But to take an issue that affects the people and play ideological games with it instead of attempting to make that issue work for the people is self-serving, time-and-money wasting, and childish.


If you're so concerned about the cost of running our government and especially Congress, then restrict the length of sessions.I would if i could. And as long as i was at it, there'd be a heluva lot more being done.

[Cigar]

I'm old. I have insurance I pay for.

So Obamacare don't affect you after all ... :rollseyes:

[jillian]

I'm old. I have insurance I pay for.

really?

you don't have coverage through your job?

[nic34]

Once you drill down on the subject and ask specific questions, you find most folks including conservatives WANT a better healthcare system like single payer and that the joke we have now is not working.

[Chris]

No. It's not designed for conflict. Our legislative branch was designed to have representatives from districts all over the country to deliver the wishes of their constituents. Conflicts arise, and must be dealt with. But to take an issue that affects the people and play ideological games with it instead of attempting to make that issue work for the people is self-serving, time-and-money wasting, and childish.

I would if i could. And as long as i was at it, there'd be a heluva lot more being done.


That's what checks and balances and debate in Congress is all about, to represent disparate interests.


play ideological games with it instead of attempting to make that issue work for the people is self-serving, time-and-money wasting, and childish.

For both parties.

But what to you do after you've done everything to divide the people? The people are divided on all the issues. You can't pick a side and say if you don't agree you're not playing fair. As you say you deal with the conflict, squarely, fairly, representing all the people.

And sometimes there is no solution. And that is the answer.

[Chris]

So Obamacare don't affect you after all ... :rollseyes:

Are you saying OC requires no funding through taxes?

[Chris]

really?

you don't have coverage through your job?

Yes.

We buy our own, like I said.

[Chris]

Once you drill down on the subject and ask specific questions, you find most folks including conservatives WANT a better healthcare system like single payer and that the joke we have now is not working.

I want better--more efficient and effective--healthcare and single payer, indeed, I do. I just think that can only be achieved privately in the free market. Socializing anything leads to inefficiency, ineffectiveness.

As you argue for this issue I would say we all want the same goals, same ends--call it happiness. What we ought to be debating is the means.

[bladimz]

I want better--more efficient and effective--healthcare and single payer, indeed, I do. I just think that can only be achieved privately in the free market. Socializing anything leads to inefficiency, ineffectiveness.

As you argue for this issue I would say we all want the same goals, same ends--call it happiness. What we ought to be debating is the means.I think that's we're really doing here (or some of us at least). I happen to believe that the greed inherent in the free market very easily mirrors any inefficiency and ineffectiveness of a socialized solution. What we have now is a dark hole where people who can afford ever-growing premiums throw more and more into it. As premiums rise unabated, the hole gets larger, and less people have the ability to feed it. The problem with this is that the number of uninsured grows, so too do serious health problems with the general population. This obviously does not serve the good of our country. That's the bottom line as i see it.

[Micketto]

So Obamacare don't affect you after all ... :rollseyes:

Have you seen the taxes involved ?!?!

It affects everyone.

[Chris]

I think that's we're really doing here (or some of us at least). I happen to believe that the greed inherent in the free market very easily mirrors any inefficiency and ineffectiveness of a socialized solution. What we have now is a dark hole where people who can afford ever-growing premiums throw more and more into it. As premiums rise unabated, the hole gets larger, and less people have the ability to feed it. The problem with this is that the number of uninsured grows, so too do serious health problems with the general population. This obviously does not serve the good of our country. That's the bottom line as i see it.

Then we need to argue out the different means, not simply dismiss the other side as uncaring, as some liberals are wont to do.

[Ransom]

My good Man Cigar. From we won we won to Republicans won't let him close Gitmo or improve the economy back to we won we won and back around to "Republican sabotage"

Goin' round n' round n' round n' round....

[Micketto]

My good Man @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294). From we won we won to Republicans won't let him close Gitmo or improve the economy back to we won we won and back around to "Republican sabotage"

Goin' round n' round n' round n' round....

I always found it odd someone keeps raving about how they won.... then whines about how Obama can't get anything done.

(Seems the GOP won then) ;)




awaits overused photoshopped blackhouse in 5... 4... 3... 2...

[nic34]

not simply dismiss the other side as uncaring, as some liberals are wont to do.

which one...?

[nic34]

(Seems the GOP won then)

They did......... but they're still arguing about what it is they won......:tard:

[bladimz]

They did......... but they're still arguing about what it is they won......:tard:
Yeah. If that's "winning", i think i'd be happier losing.

[bladimz]

I always found it odd someone keeps raving about how they won.... then whines about how Obama can't get anything done.

(Seems the GOP won then) ;)
The GOP's "victory" is costing the american people.

[nic34]

The GOP has won nothing.... they are being held hostage by the corporations that created the "teaparty", who really want to eliminate trade regulations and heap their taxes on the middle class.

Dems are not clean either... they have allowed first-term wackos like teddie cruz sabatoge the senate......

[Chris]

The GOP has won nothing.... they are being held hostage by the corporations that created the "teaparty", who really want to eliminate trade regulations and heap their taxes on the middle class.

Dems are not clean either... they have allowed first-term wackos like teddie cruz sabatoge the senate......

Nice malarkey, nic. The tea parties are grassroots, leaderless.

What's harming the country is duopolistic partisanship.

[Mainecoons]

What a load of your usual crap, nic. The Obama administration is up to its neck in corporate money and influence. Are you really this deluded as to think that one party has some sort of a monopoly on being bought and paid for by big business?

Please tell us you aren't really this stupid.

[Cigar]

My good Man @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294). From we won we won to Republicans won't let him close Gitmo or improve the economy back to we won we won and back around to "Republican sabotage"

Goin' round n' round n' round n' round....

Round n Round, in the Oval Office :)

[Micketto]

Round n Round, in the Oval Office :)

So you have no problem being called out on your hypocrisy and ridiculous statements...


[insert dumb comment and smiley face here]

[Cigar]

So you have no problem being called out on your hypocrisy and ridiculous statements...


[insert dumb comment and smiley face here]

Nope ... no problem at all ... like I said before, it's just an Internet Forum, not a way of life.

[Micketto]

So you have no problem being called out on your hypocrisy and ridiculous statements...


Nope ... no problem at all

Alrighty....

[Cigar]

Alrighty....

Nice to know you have perspective ... :wink:

[nic34]

Nice malarkey, nic. The tea parties are grassroots, leaderless.

What's harming the country is duopolistic partisanship.

No, it's corporate America faking a grassroots revolution.

Corpratists and 4 generations of billionaires wanting to replace our democracy with puppets that they can control. Your notion of individual rights is rather quaint, but means nothing when the whole system rots underneath the weight of fools who are more worried about the color of their ties than the long-term health of the nation.

Spending a lot of money to stir the fears and wave the national symbols works for a lot of foolish people, but not as many as you think.

[patrickt]

I think Nic actually believes that. Amazing. But, I met a man who was sure the CIA was tapping his brain while he slept and sucking out secret information.

[lynn]

The number of people that do not have insurance and are unemployed will NOT have coverage in 2014. The mandate only controls the population that have to file taxes that earn an income. This population consists of mostly young healthy individuals that are employed but have no coverage. This population is going create profits, not cost so this show that the Republicans is displaying is just for entertainment and brainwashing the masses.

[nic34]

Great counter pat... keep up the good work....

[Cigar]

Great counter pat... keep up the good work....

What has this country come to when it's greatest fear, is that it's own people have access to medical treatment.

This is the same country that has no problem sending it's own people to endless Wars.

[Chris]

What has this country come to when it's greatest fear, is that it's own people have access to medical treatment.

This is the same country that has no problem sending it's own people to endless Wars.

Who fears that?

[Micketto]

I think Nic actually believes that. Amazing. But, I met a man who was sure the CIA was tapping his brain while he slept and sucking out secret information.

Lol.. Nic seems a bit full of conspiracy theory himself.

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[nic34]

People aren't that dumb......... they want a functioning system.... not the anarchy folks peddle around here ...

http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benen72190982-6669-E3EC-0C5B-99D66A64E0DA.jpg&width=600

[nic34]

Lol.. Nic seems a bit full of conspiracy theory himself.



While promoted as a spontaneous "grassroots" movement, many of the activities of Tea Party groups were organized by corporate lobbying groups like Freedomworks (http://thepoliticalforums.com/index.php/Freedomworks) and Americans for Prosperity (http://thepoliticalforums.com/index.php/Americans_for_Prosperity).

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party)

[Cigar]

People aren't that dumb......... they want a functioning system.... not the anarchy folks peddle around here ...

http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benen72190982-6669-E3EC-0C5B-99D66A64E0DA.jpg&width=600

It's like challenging someone to a car race, without looking under your challengers hood ... you're bound to get a surprise :grin:

[Micketto]

People aren't that dumb......... they want a functioning system.... not the anarchy folks peddle around here ...

http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benen72190982-6669-E3EC-0C5B-99D66A64E0DA.jpg&width=600

From the Rachel Maddow blog ?!?!

Lol....

[Cigar]

From the Rachel Maddow blog ?!?!

Lol....

Oh ... well obviously it wrong.

Neo-Nut Logic

[Micketto]

Oh ... well obviously it wrong.

Quite likely... but it's not even complete.

43 people support Obamacare? 43%? Where is the explanation of the graph, and what was the question?

ffs... Rachel Maddow is a nice guy and all, but nothing like an Obama poll from such a left wing wacko.

[Chris]

While promoted as a spontaneous "grassroots" movement, many of the activities of Tea Party groups were organized by corporate lobbying groups like Freedomworks (http://thepoliticalforums.com/index.php/Freedomworks) and Americans for Prosperity (http://thepoliticalforums.com/index.php/Americans_for_Prosperity).

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party)

Those were umbrella organizations that provided mainly training in organizing a grassroots movement and occasional funding. But local tea parties themselves were completelt independent.

[Chris]

People aren't that dumb......... they want a functioning system.... not the anarchy folks peddle around here ...

http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benen72190982-6669-E3EC-0C5B-99D66A64E0DA.jpg&width=600

Can I request a link to discussion of this chart. I'd like to see more.

[Cigar]

Can I request a link to discussion of this chart. I'd like to see more.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/52040729#52040729

Enjoy

[nic34]

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/05/28/18561032-the-nature-of-obamacare-opposition?lite

[nic34]

From the Rachel Maddow blog ?!?!

Lol....

Attack the mssgr....? really....?

Any ideas, facts, or supporting evidence YOU provide will be likewise dismissed from now on....... mikk-y-toe

[Chris]

No, it's corporate America faking a grassroots revolution.

Corpratists and 4 generations of billionaires wanting to replace our democracy with puppets that they can control. Your notion of individual rights is rather quaint, but means nothing when the whole system rots underneath the weight of fools who are more worried about the color of their ties than the long-term health of the nation.

Spending a lot of money to stir the fears and wave the national symbols works for a lot of foolish people, but not as many as you think.

And your evidence for this is, what?

I recall last year some time Koch or someone donated a bunch of money to one of those umbrellas. They distributed it down to the local level, organized roughly around voting districts. I think the tea party I belong to got $300 some. Great Scott! That's some control.


Corpratists and 4 generations of billionaires wanting to replace our democracy with puppets that they can control.

Of course our pure and perfect government doesn't sell out to them now does it.


the whole system rots underneath the weight of fools who are more worried about the color of their ties than the long-term health of the nation.

So we agree about our government, great!

[Chris]

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/05/28/18561032-the-nature-of-obamacare-opposition?lite

Maddow got it from CNN: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/27/poll-do-you-support-or-oppose-the-health-care-law/

It's interesting what you left out:


A majority of Americans still oppose the nation's new health care measure, three years after it became law, according to a new survey.

But a CNN/ORC International poll released Monday also indicates that more than a quarter of those who oppose the law, known by many as Obamacare, say they don't support the measure because it doesn't go far enough.

According to the poll, 43% of the public says it supports the health care law, a figure that's mostly unchanged in CNN polling since the measure was passed in 2010 by a Congress then controlled by Democrats and signed into law by President Barack Obama. Fifty-four percent of those questioned say they oppose the law, also relatively unchanged since 2010.

The survey indicates that 35% oppose the health care law because it's too liberal, with 16% saying they oppose the measure because it isn't liberal enough.

The wide partisan divide over the law remains. Nearly three quarters of Democrats say they favor the Affordable Care Act. That number drops to 16% among Republicans.....

[nic34]

I didn't leave anything out, I put up the link.... and it still supports my contention that many of those that don't like the ACA want a more "liberal" approach.... those against are still a minority.

[Chris]

I didn't leave anything out, I put up the link.... and it still supports my contention that many of those that don't like the ACA want a more "liberal" approach.... those against are still a minority.

All you did was post a graph, not any of the other results of the poll, which show a majority oppose the ACA. Only some want more done though they didn't indicate what. It is just a poll after all.

[Mainecoons]

Yes it does, you are correct, as long as you also understand that CNN does not poll a representative cross section, they over weight for liberals and Democrats just as they do on the air. We'll see how they feel about it next January. The majority still think that it is yet another free lunch.

[lynn]

How do you get the public to influence their opinion in accepting an insurance mandate?

By telling them that this mandate is going fix the problem of so many people that use the emergency room for free healthcare at our expense. The truth is the mandate doesn't fix this problem whatsoever. This population is mostly unemployed and therefore cannot get flagged by the IRS who is in charge of monitoring it.

The only trainwreck that is coming is at the expense of the workers that is paying for everybody's healthcare coverage but won't be able to afford to obtain healthcare for themselves due to high out of pocket cost. This is not going to add to the deficit since the only population that will be eligible for Medicaid are ones that are employed. They are Healthy and seldom require healthcare services so they cost very little to give them a insurance card that says they now have coverage. Of course, this is providing that States don't enroll them into a capitated HMO contract and keep them in a separate pool as FFS.