Report details how GOP lost young voters

[Common]

It would seem the far right teaparty has made some great strides in taking over the country politically if you read some of the posts by their supporters but then theres a reality. That reality is that the teaparty ideals and agenda does not appeal to broad groups of americans, from the young to the independents to the working class to Latino's.
Im sure however that some far right posters can fix this by bellowing ad nauseum its OBAMA AND THE LEFTISTS fault. Seems theres alot of people that dont see it that way still.

A new postmortem on the November elections from the nation’s leading voice for college Republicans offers a searing indictment of the GOP “brand” and the major challenges the party faces in wooing young voters, according to a copy given exclusively to POLITICO.

The College Republican National Committee on Monday will make public a detailed report — the result of extensive polling and focus groups — dissecting what went wrong for Republicans with young voters in the 2012 elections and how the party can improve its showing with that key demographic in the future.


It’s not a pretty picture. In fact, it’s a “dismal present situation,” the report says.
The 95-page study, which looked at the party’s views on social and economic issues, as well as its messaging and outreach, echoes a March report on the election debacle issued by Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, which presented a devastating assessment of the party’s current state of affairs.
But in some ways the new report from inside the GOP tent is even more scathing and ominous — since it comes from the party’s next generation.

Most important Paragraph in the Article!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Titled the “Grand Old Party for a Brand New Generation,” the report is sharply critical of the GOP on several fronts. The study slams some Republicans’ almost singular focus on downsizing Big Government and cutting taxes; candidates’ use of offensive, polarizing rhetoric; and the party’s belly-flop efforts at messaging and outreach, even as the report presents a way forward and, at times, strikes an optimistic tone.

In the report, the young Republican activists acknowledge their party has suffered significant damage in recent years.


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/gop-youth-vote-report-92119.html

[jillian]

they seem not to care about whether they have support or not. they think they are "we the people"... no matter how many millions of us vote against them.

[Common]

they seem not to care about whether they have support or not. they think they are "we the people"... no matter how many millions of us vote against them.

Jillian this is a war of the haves and the havenots, the haves felt they lost power and control when Obama got elected, now they are in frenziest mode because he got re elected. The rich have spent BILLIONS promoting the teaparty and presenting it as something its not. It is A FOR THE RICH OF THE RICH movement to diminish working class power and pay and influence and embellish their own power and pockets.
They have to incorporate the hateful by creating racial tension and OMG THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS. The rich in this country use the constitution daily as toilet paper, but theyre now trying to sell it to their flock as a hook, they must have those votes, the rich alone cant elect a dogcatcher theres only like a few of them that have everything :)

[jillian]

Jillian this is a war of the haves and the havenots, the haves felt they lost power and control when Obama got elected, now they are in frenziest mode because he got re elected. The rich have spent BILLIONS promoting the teaparty and presenting it as something its not. It is A FOR THE RICH OF THE RICH movement to diminish working class power and pay and influence and embellish their own power and pockets.
They have to incorporate the hateful by creating racial tension and OMG THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS. The rich in this country use the constitution daily as toilet paper, but theyre now trying to sell it to their flock as a hook, they must have those votes, the rich alone cant elect a dogcatcher theres only like a few of them that have everything :)

i can't argue that.... not with any of it.

the question is how does a working class person not understand that if they have no bargaining power, they're screwed.

[Common]

i can't argue that.... not with any of it.

the question is how does a working class person not understand that if they have no bargaining power, they're screwed.

The simply dont till they are screwed.

[Cigar]

Living in Denial is no way to survive. :wink:

[jillian]

The simply dont till they are screwed.

they stood by and watched air traffic controllers get trashed...

they're watching teachers getting trashed...

they don't seem to get that "right to work" is right to work for the same wages they get in mexico....

and they seem to think it's ok for workers to be divested of pensions and benefits while CEO's take multi million dollar bonuses for losing money.

and they say the left leaners are 'sheeple'? the irony is rich

[Cigar]

they stood by and watched air traffic controllers get trashed...

they're watching teachers getting trashed...

they don't seem to get that "right to work" is right to work for the same wages they get in mexico....

and they seem to think it's ok for workers to be divested of pensions and benefits while CEO's take multi million dollar bonuses for losing money.

and they say the left leaners are 'sheeple'? the irony is rich

... and Rich are counting on them to keep the money coming

[Common]

they stood by and watched air traffic controllers get trashed...

they're watching teachers getting trashed...

they don't seem to get that "right to work" is right to work for the same wages they get in mexico....

and they seem to think it's ok for workers to be divested of pensions and benefits while CEO's take multi million dollar bonuses for losing money.

and they say the left leaners are 'sheeple'? the irony is rich

Heres another for you Jill, I had a telephone repair guy here yesterday from the local phone company. I offered hm coffee and we talked for a few minutes. I said the phone company was a sought after job as guys came home from nam they wanted the security and good pay of the phone company. He laughed and said they can have my job im looking for another one. He said guys that have been on the job TWENTY FIVE YEARS started originally 25 yrs ago with a dollar an hour more than he gets paid now to start and no one gets hired full time. Now that is the PHONE COMPANY. He said he doesnt make enough to pay his rent and car insurances and utilities and food etc he said I dont have any big bills I owe. THATS DISGUSTING and I dont care who on this forum likes my position against the rich stealing and stripping everything off workers out of PURE GREED.

Heres another one for you, the first casino that opened in Atlantic City had a retired NYPD Captain as head of security the starting pay for security unarmed in resorsts was 18,900 a year with full paid medical and prescriptions plans. Today they hire security in all the casinos at 8.00 an hour and you pay a ton for your benefits. If you can afford it that is.
The working class have been raped and some are too stupid to open their eyes
Oh btw resorts opened in 1978, 35 yrs later the starting pay and top pay is less for the same position. I guess food and the price of everything has gone down dramatically since then
The quality of life of working america has been STOLEN by the richest americans and teaparty types.

[Common]

I bet chris jumps in with a one liner LMAO

[Cigar]

I bet chris jumps in with a one liner LMAO

No doubt denying that the GOP is losing Voters

[Chris]

This is a wonderful socialist circle jerk.

[Cigar]

This is a wonderful socialist circle jerk.

Well I wouldn't be that rough on the GOP :laugh:

[Cigar]

Why the Geeee-nO-Peee is losing Voters

http://media.cagle.com/23/2013/06/03/132601_600.jpg
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[patrickt]

When half of the circle jerk is impotant it isn't that great.

The youth vote. Ah, yes. "If you're not a liberal when you're twenty then you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain," is a quote attributed to Winston Churchill. The young operate on emotion and do tend to be liberal. These are people who react positively to Ms. Lena Denham's political ad saying that voting for Obama was the same as getting fucked. The young seem to be one of the demographics who find someone else supporting them and paying their bills as a perfectly appropriate and reasonable set of circumstances.

Since the GOP isn't the party of freebies, I don't see them sweeping the youth vote. Since many young people are intelligent and responsible, the Democrats, who are the party of freebies, won't sweep the youth vote, either.

[Cigar]

When half of the circle jerk is impotant it isn't that great.

The youth vote. Ah, yes. "If you're not a liberal when you're twenty then you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain," is a quote attributed to Winston Churchill. The young operate on emotion and do tend to be liberal. These are people who react positively to Ms. Lena Denham's political ad saying that voting for Obama was the same as getting fucked. The young seem to be one of the demographics who find someone else supporting them and paying their bills as a perfectly appropriate and reasonable set of circumstances.

Since the GOP isn't the party of freebies, I don't see them sweeping the youth vote. Since many young people are intelligent and responsible, the Democrats, who are the party of freebies, won't sweep the youth vote, either.

Remember the next time you see a veteran, a college student or child ... how do you like those "freebies" I'm giving you?

This is a perfect example of the Republican Party not getting it ...

Thank You Mitt Romney for the truth.

[Chris]

No doubt denying that the GOP is losing Voters

It's losing voters. Wrong again, cigar.

[Chris]

http://media.cagle.com/23/2013/06/03/132601_600.jpg

Reminds me of Obama coming up with a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. Let's compromise, he argued, let's raise taxes and then let's cut spending. So the Reps compromised. Taxes were raised. Then the Dems insisted compromise was needed on the compromise and rejected the spending cuts they had proposed.

[Cigar]

GOP Survey Of Young People Reveals They Support Progressive Policies


The College Republican National Committee released a report on Monday outlining the major challenges facing the GOP as it seeks to rebrand and redefine itself in the aftermath of the 2012 election. The survey criticizes the party’s singular focus on “big government” and “tax cuts” and calls on Republicans to become more tolerant and open on issues like same-sex marriage and women’s reproductive health.

But a close reading of the 90-page report finds that young people have strong disagreements with Republican policies — including large parts of former candidate’s Mitt Romney’s platform — and are far more likely to support progressive positions. Here are 11 examples:

1. GOP economic polices are to blame for the recession. <...>

2. Lower taxes will not create jobs. <...>

3. Increase taxes on the wealthy. <...>

4. End the attacks on women’s reproductive health. <...>

5. Expand universal health care coverage. <...>

6. Provide comprehensive immigration reform. <...>

7. Cut the defense budget first. <...>

8. Democrats are more responsive on student loans. <...>

9. Climate change is real. <...>

10. Bush’s wars blew up the deficit. <...>

11. Marriage equality for all. <...>

- more -

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/06/03/2089881/gop-survey-of-young-people-reveals-they-support-progressive-policies/

:shocked: RutRow :laugh:

[nic34]

This is a wonderful socialist circle jerk.

What's "socialist" about it?

Pitching for the repubs are ya?

[Agravan]

GOP Survey Of Young People Reveals They Support Progressive Policies


The College Republican National Committee released a report on Monday outlining the major challenges facing the GOP as it seeks to rebrand and redefine itself in the aftermath of the 2012 election. The survey criticizes the party’s singular focus on “big government” and “tax cuts” and calls on Republicans to become more tolerant and open on issues like same-sex marriage and women’s reproductive health.

But a close reading of the 90-page report finds that young people have strong disagreements with Republican policies — including large parts of former candidate’s Mitt Romney’s platform — and are far more likely to support progressive positions. Here are 11 examples:

1. GOP economic polices are to blame for the recession. <...>

2. Lower taxes will not create jobs. <...>

3. Increase taxes on the wealthy. <...>

4. End the attacks on women’s reproductive health. <...>

5. Expand universal health care coverage. <...>

6. Provide comprehensive immigration reform. <...>

7. Cut the defense budget first. <...>

8. Democrats are more responsive on student loans. <...>

9. Climate change is real. <...>

10. Bush’s wars blew up the deficit. <...>

11. Marriage equality for all. <...>

- more -

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/06/03/2089881/gop-survey-of-young-people-reveals-they-support-progressive-policies/

:shocked: RutRow :laugh:
Are these the same young people indoctrinated by socialist professors?
Of course they're gonna vote your way, they've bee taught what to think, not how to think.

[nic34]

Yep, just stay home kiddies, yer momma can learn ya better than a social-ist, commie, pinko with an actual teaching degree..... yeeee, Haw!

[Chris]

Yep, just stay home kiddies, yer momma can learn ya better than a social-ist, commie, pinko with an actual teaching degree..... yeeee, Haw!

Depends on the mother, but, yes, probably.

http://snag.gy/RbRz3.jpg

[nic34]

Graphic tells nothing....

[jillian]

lololololololol

ya... home schooling is great if all you want to do is teach your kid there's no such thing as evolution....

and there's no such thing as law, but there is "natural law".

ya... that's some learnin' there.

[Mainecoons]

Only if you can't read. Can't you read? That would explain a lot about your posting here.

[Cigar]

Are these the same young people indoctrinated by socialist professors?
Of course they're gonna vote your way, they've bee taught what to think, not how to think.

Yea ... because we all know that never happened before ... :rollseyes:

http://ccmekeith.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/school-integration.jpg?w=620

[Agravan]

lololololololol

ya... home schooling is great if all you want to do is teach your kid there's no such thing as evolution....

and there's no such thing as law, but there is "natural law".

ya... that's some learnin' there.
Home school kids do much better in overall assessments that gubmint schooled kids.
your problem with homeschooling is that parents are unlikely to teach kids how to use condoms, how to fist or to force them to kiss members of their own sex.

[nic34]

Homeschooling solely for the sake of ideology is harmful in my book..... This is a more neutral look:

Keep in mind your wants for the child as well as the requirements of the child, on the basis of society and propriety. Either way, the ultimate goal should be optimum learning for the child. If that is maintained, then the mode of schooling is immaterial.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/homeschooling-vs-public-school.html

[Chris]

Graphic tells nothing....

Not unless you look at it. Here's some more for you to ignore...

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http://www.home-school.com/news/homeschool-vs-public-school.php provides sources of the data.

[Cigar]

Graphic tells nothing....

Sure it does, exactly what he wants to be told.

... and it works like a charm :laugh:

[Chris]

Sure it does, exactly what he wants to be told.

... and it works like a charm :laugh:

So you prefer fantasy to facts?

[Cigar]

Fast Facts (http://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/)


Enrollment
Question:
Do you have information on postsecondary enrollment rates?


Response:

Enrollment in degree-granting institutions increased by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000. Between 2000 and 2010, enrollment increased 37 percent, from 15.3 million to 21.0 million. Much of the growth between 2000 and 2010 was in full-time enrollment; the number of full-time students rose 45 percent, while the number of part-time students rose 26 percent. During the same time period, the number of females rose 39 percent, while the number of males rose 35 percent. Enrollment increases can be affected both by population growth and by rising rates of enrollment.


Between 2000 and 2010, the number of 18- to 24-year-olds increased from 27.3 million to 30.7 million, an increase of 12 percent, and the percentage of 18- to 24-year-olds enrolled in college rose from 35 percent in 2000 to 41 percent in 2010. In addition to enrollment in accredited 2-year colleges, 4-year colleges, and universities, about 539,000 students attended non-degree-granting, Title IV eligible, postsecondary institutions in fall 2009. These institutions are postsecondary institutions that do not award associate's or higher degrees; they include, for example, institutions that offer only career and technical programs of less than 2 years' duration.


In recent years, the percentage increase in the number of students age 25 and over has been larger than the percentage increase in the number of younger students, and this pattern is expected to continue. Between 2000 and 2010, the enrollment of students under age 25 increased by 34 percent. Enrollment of students 25 and over rose 42 percent during the same period. From 2010 to 2020, NCES projects a rise of 11 percent in enrollments of students under 25, and a rise of 20 percent in enrollments of students 25 and over.


Enrollment trends have differed at the undergraduate and postbaccalaureate levels. Undergraduate enrollment generally increased during the 1970s, but dipped from 10.8 million to 10.6 million between 1983 and 1985. From 1985 to 1992, undergraduate enrollment increased each year, rising 18 percent before stabilizing between 1992 and 1998. Undergraduate enrollment rose 37 percent between 2000 and 2010. Postbaccalaureate enrollment had been steady at about 1.6 million in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but rose 78 percent between 1985 and 2010.


Since 1988, the number of females in postbaccalaureate programs has exceeded the number of males. Between 2000 and 2010, the number of male full-time postbaccalaureate students increased by 38 percent, compared with a 62 percent increase in the number of females. Among part-time postbaccalaureate students, the number of males increased by 17 percent and the number of females increased by 26 percent.


The percentage of American college students who are Hispanic, Asian/Pacific Islander, and Black has been increasing. From 1976 to 2010, the percentage of Hispanic students rose from 3 percent to 13 percent, the percentage of Asian/Pacific Islander students rose from 2 percent to 6 percent, and the percentage of Black students rose from 9 percent to 14 percent. During the same period, the percentage of White students fell from 83 percent to 61 percent. Race/ethnicity is not reported for nonresident aliens, who made up 2 percent and 3 percent of total enrollment in 1976 and 2010, respectively.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98

:shocked:

... please stand clear ... The Hair Trigger Defense System is now activated

[Chris]

... please stand clear ... The Hair Trigger Defense System is now activated

I've noticed that in your responses, they seem to react without connection to what's being discussed.

[Cigar]

I've noticed that in your responses, they seem to react without connection to what's being discussed.

Could it possibly be that you're not part of some of the discussions? :wink:

[Chris]

Could it possibly be that you're not part of some of the discussions? :wink:

Any digression in the storm?

[Cigar]

Any digression in the storm?

Well ... there's been plenty of storms lately ... for those of us who believe in Climate

[Chris]

Well ... there's been plenty of storms lately ... for those of us who believe in Climate

Weather.

Just another digression.

[Mainecoons]

Why would the "haves" be unhappy with Obama? His regime has seen the greatest flow of income to the one percent ever. They should love him and indeed they do.

The "have not" suckers love him too because. . . . they are suckers. :grin:

[Micketto]

When half of the circle jerk is impotant it isn't that great.

The youth vote. Ah, yes. "If you're not a liberal when you're twenty then you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain," is a quote attributed to Winston Churchill. The young operate on emotion and do tend to be liberal. These are people who react positively to Ms. Lena Denham's political ad saying that voting for Obama was the same as getting fucked. The young seem to be one of the demographics who find someone else supporting them and paying their bills as a perfectly appropriate and reasonable set of circumstances.

Since the GOP isn't the party of freebies, I don't see them sweeping the youth vote. Since many young people are intelligent and responsible, the Democrats, who are the party of freebies, won't sweep the youth vote, either.

Saw this masturbation party earlier and realized what was going on between these liberal goofs.
Couldn't figure out which one of them was going to orgasm first.

Was hoping no one of sound mind even responded... but you went ahead and did ;)


My dad always told me that you're a Democrat when you're young and looking forward to government loans for school and have all these fantasies planted in your head from your liberal teachers.

Then you're a conservative when you're older, working, and understand how you earned your money, and you should be able to keep it, without it being taken from you and redistributed through government handouts.

Then when you're old, senile and hoping for that government assistance for your medical bills.... you're a Democrat again.

[Private Pickle]

Anyone who thinks this is a result of policies vs. media is fooling themselves.

[Micketto]

Yep, just stay home kiddies, yer momma can learn ya better than a social-ist, commie, pinko with an actual teaching degree..... yeeee, Haw!


You clearly have no grasp on the success of homeschooling, and the students that have been through it.

Always funny to add stupid accents to comments... hoping to distract from the fact that you haven't a fkn clue what you're talking about.

[Micketto]

lololololololol

ya... home schooling is great if all you want to do is teach your kid there's no such thing as evolution....

and there's no such thing as law, but there is "natural law".

ya... that's some learnin' there.


.... said like a woman who hasn't the mental capacity to teach her own children.


wtf is "lololololololol" ?!
Are you 13?

[Micketto]

Well ... there's been plenty of storms lately ... for those of us who believe in Climate

Are there people who don't believe in climate ?

[nic34]

You clearly have no grasp on the success of homeschooling, and the students that have been through it.

Always funny to add stupid accents to comments... hoping to distract from the fact that you haven't a fkn clue what you're talking about.

Yep, no WAY I know what I'm talkin about.... you just missed the source I posted by accident I guess......

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/13465-Report-details-how-GOP-lost-young-voters?p=300441&viewfull=1#post300441

Jus keep postin there bubba, yer makin my case evertime ya dew!
:laugh:

[Chris]

Homeschooling solely for the sake of ideology is harmful in my book..... This is a more neutral look:

Keep in mind your wants for the child as well as the requirements of the child, on the basis of society and propriety. Either way, the ultimate goal should be optimum learning for the child. If that is maintained, then the mode of schooling is immaterial.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/homeschooling-vs-public-school.html

Given the facts reject that, let's look at this contention: "the requirements of the child, on the basis of society and propriety"

Now, nic, just who ought to determine that? If you mean a specific child, then ought it not be the parents who determine that? Somehow, I suspect you child in the abstract, for which some central planning elite expert are only qualified to determine what that abstraction requires, and if this be the case what happened to the real child and where did society go? Or did you have some other meaning in mind?

[nic34]

Well it's up to the parent whether they want their child to be able to compete with the rest of the world and become a productive citizen or just hang out with the local "taliban".....

I think my source was self-explanatory enough to see both sides I was trying to present.

[Micketto]

Yep, no WAY I know what I'm talkin about....

Typically.


you just missed the source I posted by accident I guess......

You call it "missed"... I call it "ignored".

But I'm sure "buzzle.com", a site that gives "funny camp prank ideas" and fashion tips for 17 yr old girls, backs everything you've ever believed about education.

http://www.buzzle.com/

Lol...



Jus keep postin there bubba, yer makin my case evertime ya dew!:laugh:

You were definitely public schooled.

[Chris]

Well it's up to the parent whether they want their child to be able to compete with the rest of the world and become a productive citizen or just hang out with the local "taliban".....

I think my source was self-explanatory enough to see both sides I was trying to present.

The data I provided showed they're more likely able to compete home schooled, nic.

Explain "your" side.

[Chris]

Here, nic, from your link:


Homeschooling Pros

(+) Homeschooling gives the child more educational freedom. The kid studies and learns what he/she wants to.
(+) Physical freedom is another pro for homeschooling. Life does not revolve around car pools, school timings and exams.
(+) For the child, homeschooling provides emotional freedom. The child does not need to deliver to the evil effects of peer pressure, competition and bullies. They can study in peace.
(+) Closer family relationships are made possible with homeschooling. The child will enjoy spending time at home with the family, than outside. Adolescent fears for the parents are also reduced considerably.
(+) A certain degree of stability can be guaranteed when the child is homeschooling, be it illness, emergencies or any requirements. There is a guarantee that disturbance will be the least.
(+) The kid will not be fatigued out at the end of the day and will be more at rest, with regards to lifestyle. Pressure and stress will also be quite less.
(+) Personal attention while homeschooling allows a kid to do in lesser time what children in school take longer to do. As such, homeschooling makes the children relatively more efficient at studies.
(+) In case of challenging situations at home, such as birth of a newborn, a death in the family, homeschooling helps. With already enough stress to cope with, in the family, homeschooling brings about stability, in the otherwise mixed-up phase.
(+) Homeschooling also allows families to instill their religious beliefs in the daily life of their children.
Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/homeschooling-vs-public-school.html

And...


(-) Homeschooling can take up a lot of time of the parent, leading to an acute time restraint for the parents. Picture a kitchen table filled with books and no cooked food. The kitchen virtually turns into a study room in this case!
(-) Homeschooling requires one parent to be at home full-time. This could lead to a financial restraint on the family. The income would reduce, while the expenditure would, almost, remain the same.
(-) If a child spends most of his/her time at home, he/she would not be able to participate in team sports. He/she might not be welcomed in public school teams. Hence, parents have to make arrangements (make their own sports team), so that their children can participate in games.
(-) Another minus point would be, children studying at home, may not belong to a friends' circle, because of which they would feel lonely and isolated.
(-) You have to accept that homeschooling is an oddity. As such, in a neighborhood where most children go to a public school, one home scholar may find it hard to make friends and might find it very easy getting teased.
(-) Parents cannot deny that they have to be around their kids 24x7. If parents are not prepared for this, then homeschooling is not an option for them. However, some parents do feel that spending more time with kids helps in familial growth and bonding.
(-) Another concern would the amount of noise or disturbance at home. The constant ringing of the doorbell or cell phone may hamper the concentration of the child who is trying to study.
Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/homeschooling-vs-public-school.html


None of that addresses quality of education.


This your statement:


Homeschooling solely for the sake of ideology is harmful in my book.

I agree with but would generalize schooling of any sort for the sake of any ideology is harmful.

[Ravi]

It would seem the far right teaparty has made some great strides in taking over the country politically if you read some of the posts by their supporters but then theres a reality. That reality is that the teaparty ideals and agenda does not appeal to broad groups of americans, from the young to the independents to the working class to Latino's.
Im sure however that some far right posters can fix this by bellowing ad nauseum its OBAMA AND THE LEFTISTS fault. Seems theres alot of people that dont see it that way still.

A new postmortem on the November elections from the nation’s leading voice for college Republicans offers a searing indictment of the GOP “brand” and the major challenges the party faces in wooing young voters, according to a copy given exclusively to POLITICO.

The College Republican National Committee on Monday will make public a detailed report — the result of extensive polling and focus groups — dissecting what went wrong for Republicans with young voters in the 2012 elections and how the party can improve its showing with that key demographic in the future.


It’s not a pretty picture. In fact, it’s a “dismal present situation,” the report says.
The 95-page study, which looked at the party’s views on social and economic issues, as well as its messaging and outreach, echoes a March report on the election debacle issued by Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, which presented a devastating assessment of the party’s current state of affairs.
But in some ways the new report from inside the GOP tent is even more scathing and ominous — since it comes from the party’s next generation.

Most important Paragraph in the Article!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Titled the “Grand Old Party for a Brand New Generation,” the report is sharply critical of the GOP on several fronts. The study slams some Republicans’ almost singular focus on downsizing Big Government and cutting taxes; candidates’ use of offensive, polarizing rhetoric; and the party’s belly-flop efforts at messaging and outreach, even as the report presents a way forward and, at times, strikes an optimistic tone.

In the report, the young Republican activists acknowledge their party has suffered significant damage in recent years.


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/gop-youth-vote-report-92119.html







this makes me very happy!

[nic34]

The data I provided showed they're more likely able to compete home schooled, nic.

Explain "your" side.

You posted a biased home-school site... I tried to show a neutral side where neither side has all the answers but shows positives and negatives for both.

Whatever the results you showed, the costs and time involved makes home-schooling a choice for only a small portion of the population.... mainly those with higher incomes...

The kids may have holes in their education when it comes to math, science and grammar. Holes they may struggle to fill in high school. Maybe mom and dad are smart, but if they can't appropriately teach algebra, the student may suffer later on.

As with anything there are tradeoffs... however out of 55+ million K-12 students out there, 50 million are in public schools, so comparing the 1.5 million home schooled isn't very instructive.

http://www.edreform.com/2012/04/k-12-facts/

[Chris]

You posted a biased home-school site... I tried to show a neutral side where neither side has all the answers but shows positives and negatives for both.

Whatever the results you showed, the costs and time involved makes home-schooling a choice for only a small portion of the population.... mainly those with higher incomes...

The kids may have holes in their education when it comes to math, science and grammar. Holes they may struggle to fill in high school. Maybe mom and dad are smart, but if they can't appropriately teach algebra, the student may suffer later on.

As with anything there are tradeoffs... however out of 55+ million K-12 students out there, 50 million are in public schools, so comparing the 1.5 million home schooled isn't very instructive.

http://www.edreform.com/2012/04/k-12-facts/

Ad hom is not explanation. Show, if you can, where the data I showed is wrong.


I tried to show a neutral side

True, so neutral it said nothing of outcomes. As my data showed.


Whatever the results you showed, the costs and time involved makes home-schooling a choice for only a small portion of the population.

Data?


The kids may have holes in their education when it comes to math, science and grammar.

You mean like where public school kids are failing?


50 million are in public schools, so comparing the 1.5 million home schooled isn't very instructive

Why's that?

[Mainecoons]

One point five million isn't a statistically significant sample?

Did you sleep through statistics too, Nic?

:grin:

[nic34]

Ad hom is not explanation. Show, if you can, where the data I showed is wrong.



True, so neutral it said nothing of outcomes. As my data showed.



Data?



You mean like where public school kids are failing?



Why's that?

Can you show how you can home school 50 million K-12 students and that they can have comparatively better outcomes... ?

You can't, so the comparison is moot.

[Chris]

Can you show how you can home school 50 million K-12 students and that they can have comparatively better outcomes... ?

You can't, so the comparison is moot.

Has nothing to do with comparing outcomes. You use statistics, you know, averages, means, standard deviations, bell curves. Or just look at the charts I provided above.

[bladimz]

When half of the circle jerk is impotant it isn't that great.

The youth vote. Ah, yes. "If you're not a liberal when you're twenty then you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain," is a quote attributed to Winston Churchill. Here's another quote for you:

"The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others."

Guess who...

[Chris]

Here's another quote for you:

"The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others."

Guess who...

With that much emotionalism, I'd guess a liberal said that. :-P

[bladimz]

Saw this masturbation party earlier and realized what was going on between these liberal goofs.
Couldn't figure out which one of them was going to orgasm first.

Was hoping no one of sound mind even responded... but you went ahead and did ;)


My dad always told me that you're a Democrat when you're young and looking forward to government loans for school and have all these fantasies planted in your head from your liberal teachers.

Then you're a conservative when you're older, working, and understand how you earned your money, and you should be able to keep it, without it being taken from you and redistributed through government handouts.

Then when you're old, senile and hoping for that government assistance for your medical bills.... you're a Democrat again.So that was your dad that said that.

I've said this before with no thoughtful response...
If the big complaint with public education is the huge liberal control over the malleable minds of the youth, why then isn't there a concentrated effort to flood those schools with conservative counterparts? What is it? Fear? Fear of pushback? Fear that the effort will be unsuccessful? Fear of total failure?

[Chris]

Those who can, do, those who can't, teach, and those who can't teach <fill in blank> .

[bladimz]

You clearly have no grasp on the success of homeschooling, and the students that have been through it.

Always funny to add stupid accents to comments... hoping to distract from the fact that you haven't a fkn clue what you're talking about.I watched my brother's 3 children yanked from public school to one church-backed school after another. He decided it was time to home-school after he realized that none of those schools were teaching exactly what he wanted, the way that he wanted.

I watched them grow up being taught by an extremely unqualified mother. Her heart was in the right place, but that doesn't really prepare your kid. Of the three, one is, i believe, mentally sound and socially well-adjusted. The son is a doomsday-er...because (guess why) his dad is.

Homeschooling success is a hit-or-miss game. If the kids are to be well-educated, the one teaching them must be well-educated. If that turns out to be one of the parents, you have to ask yourself: How were they educated?

[Micketto]

So that was your dad that said that.

To me, yes.



If the big complaint with public education is the huge liberal control over the malleable minds of the youth, why then isn't there a concentrated effort to flood those schools with conservative counterparts? What is it? Fear? Fear of pushback? Fear that the effort will be unsuccessful? Fear of total failure?

Simple.... Acceptance that it is just not welcome.

Please tell you you don't blindly think the public schools are neutral.

[bladimz]

One point five million isn't a statistically significant sample?

Did you sleep through statistics too, Nic?

:grin:3%. Well, it's better than 1%, and it's better than 2%, too. I'll give you that.

[Micketto]

I watched my brother's 3 children yanked from public school to one church-backed school after another. He decided it was time to home-school after he realized that none of those schools were teaching exactly what he wanted, the way that he wanted.

I watched them grow up being taught by an extremely unqualified mother. Her heart was in the right place, but that doesn't really prepare your kid. Of the three, one is, i believe, mentally sound and socially well-adjusted. The son is a doomsday-er...because (guess why) his dad is.

Homeschooling success is a hit-or-miss game. If the kids are to be well-educated, the one teaching them must be well-educated. If that turns out to be one of the parents, you have to ask yourself: How were they educated?

Another story of a family's complete failure in the home environment.
Shocker.
You don't do it if you can't do it. Period.
There are so many home school co-ops out there, run by actual degreed teachers, that there is no excuse for the stupid to try and teach their own kids.

We can look at statistics and see where the success lies.... and it's not with the public schools.

If you want to talk "miss".... you should see who the city of Detroit "graduates".... to meet their quotas and avoid state interference... by making the actually meet standards.

[nic34]

I watched my brother's 3 children yanked from public school to one church-backed school after another. He decided it was time to home-school after he realized that none of those schools were teaching exactly what he wanted, the way that he wanted.

I watched them grow up being taught by an extremely unqualified mother. Her heart was in the right place, but that doesn't really prepare your kid. Of the three, one is, i believe, mentally sound and socially well-adjusted. The son is a doomsday-er...because (guess why) his dad is.

Homeschooling success is a hit-or-miss game. If the kids are to be well-educated, the one teaching them must be well-educated. If that turns out to be one of the parents, you have to ask yourself: How were they educated?

The reason they can show such wonderful homeschooling results is that mostly higher income and those better educated have the time and resources to undertake such a task.

[Chris]

The reason they can show such wonderful homeschooling results is that mostly higher income and those better educated have the time and resources to undertake such a task.

So you admit it works.

[nic34]

It fails miserably.... to educate the number of students we have in this country.....

that's the actual task at hand....

[Chris]

It fails miserably.... to educate the number of students we have in this country.....

that's the actual task at hand....

Make up your mind. The practice works, just needs to be scaled up--problem with any scaling up is it gets watered down. Public education, we know, is failing our kids.

[Peter1469]

It fails miserably.... to educate the number of students we have in this country.....

that's the actual task at hand....

I doubt that many people want home schooling for all kids.

[nic34]

I doubt that many people want home schooling for all kids.

That's my point... there's no one answer, but so far no one has replaced the idea of a public education that the founders began.

[Peter1469]

That's my point... there's no one answer, but so far no one has replaced the idea of a public education that the founders began.

I think that the people who want to home school, just want to legally be able to do so.

I think that there should be some oversight to ensure real education is occurring. But that posses problems as well if the government doesn't act neutrally and rationally. I don't believe that it is legal to home school in many European countries.

[Micketto]

That's my point... there's no one answer, but so far no one has replaced the idea of a public education that the founders began.

Huh ?!

Millions have replaced that idea... and homeschooled instead.

With statistically better testing results.

[bladimz]

So you admit it works.I'll admit that it can work. Under the right circumstances. But when only 3% of students are home-schooled and only a percentage (i'll be very generous and say 50%) of them are successfully educated, that amounts to 750,000 acceptably educated kids a year. When you're talking about such a diminutive percentage, it's really a stretch to announce it as a viable, successful alternative to standard public education. And i'm not too thrilled with the whole picture anymore, honestly.

[Micketto]

I think that the people who want to home school, just want to legally be able to do so.

I think that there should be some oversight to ensure real education is occurring. But that posses problems as well if the government doesn't act neutrally and rationally. I don't believe that it is legal to home school in many European countries.

Most states do have requirements, but I wouldn't want the government telling me what to do in my own home.

If you put someone "stupid" (for lack of better words) in charge of teaching their children, as mentioned earlier in this thread, it's sad... but better than the government involvement that we are all so familiar with.

[Chris]

That's my point... there's no one answer, but so far no one has replaced the idea of a public education that the founders began.

Public schooling as Jefferson designed it was local, not federal.

[Micketto]

I'll admit that it can work. Under the right circumstances. But when only 3% of students are home-schooled and only a percentage (i'll be very generous and say 50%) of them are successfully educated, that amounts to 750,000 acceptably educated kids a year. When you're talking about such a diminutive percentage, it's really a stretch to announce it as a viable, successful alternative to standard public education. And i'm not too thrilled with the whole picture anymore, honestly.

You've got the 50% assigned to the wrong group...

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[Chris]

I think that the people who want to home school, just want to legally be able to do so.

I think that there should be some oversight to ensure real education is occurring. But that posses problems as well if the government doesn't act neutrally and rationally. I don't believe that it is legal to home school in many European countries.


But you see, public <fill in blank> doesn't work that way, you can't opt outs, everyone must play and pay.

[Chris]

I'll admit that it can work. Under the right circumstances. But when only 3% of students are home-schooled and only a percentage (i'll be very generous and say 50%) of them are successfully educated, that amounts to 750,000 acceptably educated kids a year. When you're talking about such a diminutive percentage, it's really a stretch to announce it as a viable, successful alternative to standard public education. And i'm not too thrilled with the whole picture anymore, honestly.

Public education is failing our kids. So you want to go with a failed approach and reject a successful one?

[Peter1469]

Public education is failing our kids. So you want to go with a failed approach and reject a successful one?

We should compare similar stuff. Homeschooling is very limited and likely would have much worse results if done on a large scale.

[nic34]

Public schooling as Jefferson designed it was local, not federal.

Public education IS locally controlled.

[Dr. Who]

Public education is failing our kids. So you want to go with a failed approach and reject a successful one? Social aspects aside, homeschooling provides almost one to one teaching. All good, assuming one parent can stay home. How many parents can sacrifice one income? Co-op homeschooling is simply one step away from private school, which also boasts better outcomes. Why? Again smaller student to teacher ratio. You want better public schooling, decrease the teacher to student ratio.

[Chris]

We should compare similar stuff. Homeschooling is very limited and likely would have much worse results if done on a large scale.

That would require experiments no ethical person would be willing to conduct. So we're left with the facts we came to dance with.

[Chris]

Public education IS locally controlled.

NCLB, right.

[Chris]

Social aspects aside, homeschooling provides almost one to one teaching. All good, assuming one parent can stay home. How many parents can sacrifice one income? Co-op homeschooling is simply one step away from private school, which also boasts better outcomes. Why? Again smaller student to teacher ratio. You want better public schooling, decrease the teacher to student ratio.

IOW, throw more money at failure.

[Dr. Who]

IOW, throw more money at failure.You can't have it both ways. You can't indict the public school system when the student to teacher ratio is something like 40 to one, advocate for homeschooling, which is impossible for many, when the bottom line is in either case money. Those who can afford it can either choose homeschooling or private school. The rest must deal with the imperfect public school system and high teacher student ratios. It is a well known fact that students who experience a low teacher student ratio perform better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student%E2%80%93teacher_ratio

[Chris]

You can't have it both ways. You can't indict the public school system when the student to teacher ratio is something like 40 to one, advocate for homeschooling, which is impossible for many, when the bottom line is in either case money. Those who can afford it can either choose homeschooling or private school. The rest must deal with the imperfect public school system and high teacher student ratios. It is a well known fact that students who experience a low teacher student ratio perform better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student%E2%80%93teacher_ratio

I couldn't if I bought your argument. But I don't. Many people homeschool, rich and poor alike. And where's your priorities? Education, healthcare, poverty, starvation, overpopulation, pollution, global warming, war, etc we can't afford it all.