Congress Has Passed 13 Laws This Year

[Common]

Congress passed 13 laws this years, None has been about jobs.
Just read this list of what laws are important to pass for our congress and then think about ALL the americans out of work, All the americans that cant find a job have no unemployment left and are on food stamps. Think about the debt this country is in and then READ the list of the only laws they could pass in a single year.
This is not a point your finger blame game thread, this is a congress collectively sucks thread.

In the six months and four days since the 113th Congress began, it has passed 13 laws (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?status=28,29). And, despite lawmakers constantly beating the drum on boosting jobs, none of the new measures have been focused on employment. Here's a list of what the 113th Congress has passed in its first six months:



H.R.41: To temporarily increase the borrowing authority of the Federal Emergency Management Agency for carrying out the National Flood Insurance Program.
Sponsor: Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (44)
H.R.152: Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] (introduced 1/4/2013) Cosponsors (None)
H.R.325: No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013
Sponsor: Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] (introduced 1/21/2013) Cosponsors (1)
S.47: Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013
Sponsor: Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] (introduced 1/22/2013) Cosponsors (61)
H.R.307: Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act of 2013
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 1/18/2013) Cosponsors (5)
H.R.933: Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2013
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] (introduced 3/4/2013) Cosponsors (None)
S.716: A bill to modify the requirements under the STOCK Act regarding online access to certain financial disclosure statements and related forms.
Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry [NV] (introduced 4/11/2013) Cosponsors (None)
H.R.1246: District of Columbia Chief Financial Officer Vacancy Act
Sponsor: Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] (introduced 3/19/2013) Cosponsors (None)
H.R.1765: Reducing Flight Delays Act of 2013
Sponsor: Rep Latham, Tom [IA-3] (introduced 4/26/2013) Cosponsors (None)
H.R.1071: To specify the size of the precious-metal blanks that will be used in the production of the National Baseball Hall of Fame commemorative coins.
Sponsor: Rep Hanna, Richard L. [NY-22] (introduced 3/12/2013) Cosponsors (2)
H.R.360: To award posthumously a Congressional Gold Medal to Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, and Cynthia Wesley to commemorate the lives they lost 50 years ago in the bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, where these 4 little Black girls' ultimate sacrifice served as a catalyst for the Civil Rights Movement.
Sponsor: Rep Sewell, Terri A. [AL-7] (introduced 1/23/2013) Cosponsors (301)
H.R.258: Stolen Valor Act of 2013
Sponsor: Rep Heck, Joseph J. [NV-3] (introduced 1/15/2013) Cosponsors (127)
S.982: Freedom to Fish Act
Sponsor: Sen Alexander, Lamar [TN] (introduced 5/16/2013) Cosponsors (3)



http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/congress-has-passed-13-laws-this-year-none-of-them-have-to-do-with-jobs-20130607?mrefid=mostViewed

[Chris]

13 too many.

[Mainecoons]

They should just spend the next 10 years repealing laws.

[Chris]

They should just spend the next 10 years repealing laws.

"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
~Goldwater, The Conscience of a Conservative

[Peter1469]

It is too bad that Goldwater got steamrolled in the elections.

[Chris]

Best President we never had.

[Peter1469]

He would have been like Calvin Coolidge I think.

[jillian]

It is too bad that Goldwater got steamrolled in the elections.

goldwater would roll over in his grave at what is called "libertarian' today.

[Ransom]

Washington and Jefferson would spin in their respective graves as well given today's definition of neo-con.

[jillian]

er... no

[Chris]

goldwater would roll over in his grave at what is called "libertarian' today.

BS, jillian. But here's your chance, tell us what Goldwater believed and what libertarians believe. In so doing explain why the libertarian-minded folks hear so delight in his words.

[Chris]

Washington and Jefferson would spin in their respective graves as well given today's definition of neo-con.

Those two weren't liberals mugged by reality. They were classical liberals.

[Ransom]

Washington instituting the lash to keep his army together, a much more effective and hardened army coming out of the misery of Valley Forge....Jefferson sent Marines east to ensure free international trade, sent L&C west to ensure sea to shining sea. Capitalists, slave owners, estate owners, businessmen, God fearing men of institution and tradition. Neo-cons to the core.

[Peter1469]

Washington instituting the lash to keep his army together, a much more effective and hardened army coming out of the misery of Valley Forge....Jefferson sent Marines east to ensure free international trade, sent L&C west to ensure sea to shining sea. Capitalists, slave owners, estate owners, businessmen, God fearing men of institution and tradition. Neo-cons to the core.

:huh:

Neocons are new; they were Liberal Hawks who left the democrat party in disgust in the 1970s as the Dems removed national security issues from the party platform.

[Chris]

Washington instituting the lash to keep his army together, a much more effective and hardened army coming out of the misery of Valley Forge....Jefferson sent Marines east to ensure free international trade, sent L&C west to ensure sea to shining sea. Capitalists, slave owners, estate owners, businessmen, God fearing men of institution and tradition. Neo-cons to the core.

Washington and Jefferson stood for liberty, neocons for domination.

[Trinnity]

Freedom to fish? We had to have a law granting us freedom to fish??? So....the govt had been usurping our freedom to fish? Not surprised there.....

[Common]

The reason I posted this was to show just how impotent congress is and how absurd. With all the problems in this country they come up with these 13 worthless laws.

[Adelaide]

The reason I posted this was to show just how impotent congress is and how absurd. With all the problems in this country they come up with these 13 worthless laws.

Well, honestly I'm surprised they passed anything at all...

[jillian]

BS, jillian. But here's your chance, tell us what Goldwater believed and what libertarians believe. In so doing explain why the libertarian-minded folks hear so delight in his words.

i don't need "chances" from you.

there were some similarities between goldwater and what passes for "libertarian" today.

he was pro choice and not a religious freak.

and he didn't HATE the gubmint like today's pretend libertarians.

he was pro social security

he was honored by planned parenthood at the end of his life

he wanted government out of our PERSONAL business.

he said religious kooks were taking over the GOP.

the opposite of today's batch.

but pretend otherwise. it's cool.

or you can listen to his words:



Goldwater warned that "the radical right has nearly ruined our party."


"Its members do not care about the Constitution and they are the one making all the noise," he said.


http://vigilance.teachthefacts.org/2006/08/barry-goldwater-liberal.html

not a single indicia of wackiness saying a real live woman had the same rights as two cells.

[zelmo1234]

The problem is that yu are at a total and impassable devide when ti comes to job creation!

Those on the left want another stimulis, and it is very clear that the first one was not only mis appropreated, but was a failure. It really created less jobs than doing nothing would have!

Those on the right want tax cuts of course? And while this may create jobs it does not attack the real problem which is the actaul tax code that needs reforming. It has become so complex that noone can understand it!

So we are at a time of partisen impass, and the people that we have elected do not have the moral fibere to find commonm ground. Just look at when someone is giving a speach to congress, they are in fact taling to an empty room. Until we lock the Congress people and senators in the chamber and force them to listen to eachother, there will be no compromise, because one side does not know aht the other really wants they just oppose it!

[Mainecoons]

This administration is simply repeating the failure of the "New Deal." Constant floundering around from one program to another, piling on taxes and regulations on job producers, let alone the hostility directed at them, and hence when you factor out the balloons caused by the money printing, there has been no real recovery. Millions of people are still absent from the work force because there is no work, hourly wages are falling, full time jobs are disappearing.

The rich are getting richer and working people are earning less and less. And now this administration wants to flood a glutted job market with immigrants.

Liberals never learn.

[Chris]

The reason I posted this was to show just how impotent congress is and how absurd. With all the problems in this country they come up with these 13 worthless laws.

Why is it absurd? You seem to be making some underlying unstated assumption that leads you to your opinion. What is it?

[Micketto]

The reason I posted this was to show just how impotent congress is and how absurd. With all the problems in this country they come up with these 13 worthless laws.

I think these 13 laws are very minimal in the grand scheme of just how absurd things are right now.

[JimH52]

13 too many.

Since it is a GOP Congress, the House, I don't think we can expect much more. When members are comfortably in their Gerrymandered Districts, they don't feel any pressure to actually work for the American people. They are sure of their re-election.....for now. But the Demographics are changing. The GOP is on borrowed time.

[Mainecoons]

I hope not. We need new laws like we need more governmental snooping.

The House is doing a great job of blocking the Obama agenda and exposing one scandal after another. For a change, they're earning their pay.

Whine on.
:grin:

[Chris]

Since it is a GOP Congress, the House, I don't think we can expect much more. When members are comfortably in their Gerrymandered Districts, they don't feel any pressure to actually work for the American people. They are sure of their re-election.....for now. But the Demographics are changing. The GOP is on borrowed time.

Why do you assume "they don't feel any pressure to actually work for the American people"? The basis of your and common's criticism are the same, the assumption government can do something to help. You all need to establish that first.

[JimH52]

goldwater would roll over in his grave at what is called "libertarian' today.

Goldwater could not even be elected in this "Do Nothing" climate. But the GOP is desperate. They will block as much real progress as quickly as they can, before the changing Demographics take away their Gerrymander advantage. It is totally understandable that they want to stop any progress that may make this President look good.

[Chris]

Goldwater could not even be elected in this "Do Nothing" climate. But the GOP is desperate. They will block as much real progress as quickly as they can, before the changing Demographics take away their Gerrymander advantage. It is totally understandable that they want to stop any progress that may make this President look good.

"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
~Goldwater, The Conscience of a Conservative

Perhaps Goldwater's promise to do less than nothing by repealing laws would hamper his election.

I've vote for him in a heartbeat.

[Common]

The problem is that yu are at a total and impassable devide when ti comes to job creation!

Those on the left want another stimulis, and it is very clear that the first one was not only mis appropreated, but was a failure. It really created less jobs than doing nothing would have!

Those on the right want tax cuts of course? And while this may create jobs it does not attack the real problem which is the actaul tax code that needs reforming. It has become so complex that noone can understand it!


So we are at a time of partisen impass, and the people that we have elected do not have the moral fibere to find commonm ground. Just look at when someone is giving a speach to congress, they are in fact taling to an empty room. Until we lock the Congress people and senators in the chamber and force them to listen to eachother, there will be no compromise, because one side does not know aht the other really wants they just oppose it!


Theres been alot of job creation, everywhere else and this chart doesnt show ALL the outsourcing.

The bulk of jobs that remain in the US is Service jobs and small business. No one can make a living for a family working for a neighborhood landscaper or delivering pizzas.
The true impact of outsourcing hasnt hit yet in my opinion. When the realization finally hits that AMERICANS do not have enough money to spend to ever float the economy again. Then the corps will find they are selling less.
I keep hoping that Corporations and thier leaders will start to be americans again one day and become patriots again and put america and americans ahead of A FEW EXTRA BUCKS IN CHEAP LABOR.
Corporations were making billions with american labor before china. ALL the whining about taxs falls on my deaf ears doesnt matter if the TAX CODE HERE WAS ZERO they would outsource for a few extra bucks anyway.



Top Rated Outsourcing Countries


Country
Overall Rating
Cost Index
Resources/Skills
Workforce


India
7.1
8.3
6
1,430,000,000


Indonesia
6.9
8.6
4.3
1,033,000,000


China
6.4
7
5.6
780,000,000


Bulgaria
6.4
8.8
2.9
3,000,000


Philippines
6.3
9
2.8
39,000,000


Jordan
6.2
7.6
2.7
2,000,000


Singapore
6.5
6.4
5.7
3,000,000


Thailand
6
8.2
2.3
39,000,000


Lithuania
5.9
7
3.9
2,000,000


Egypt
5.8
9
0.9
26,000,000


Malaysia
5.8
7.9
2.2
12,000,000


Estonia
5.8
7.5
5.2
1,000,000


Chile
5.7
7.2
3
8,000,000


Hungary
5.6
6.9
3.4
4,000,000


Poland
5.6
6.1
3.6
17,000,000


Czech Republic
5.6
6.9
3.2
5,000,000


Ukraine
5.5
6.3
3.2
22,000,000


Romania
5.5
6.8
2.7
9,000,000


Latvia
5.4
7
2.7
1,000,000


Vietnam
5.4
7.4
2.5
46,000,000


Ghana
4.9
7.5
0.9
11,000,000


South Africa
4.6
6.9
0.6
17,000,000


Kenya
4.5
6.7
1.3
18,000,000


Senegal
4.3
7.1
0.2
6,000,000


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[KC]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37036303.jpg

[Micketto]

Goldwater could not even be elected in this "Do Nothing" climate. But the GOP is desperate. They will block as much real progress as quickly as they can, before the changing Demographics take away their Gerrymander advantage. It is totally understandable that they want to stop any progress that may make this President look good.

So 9 Repubs vs. 4 Dems in that list.... seems the Right still in charge.

That first couple years, when the left controlled everything, we had a higher quality of laws coming from Congress, and a lot of them were all aimed at employment.

Oh... scratch that. That 2 years was a joke.



Are you sure this isn't just to keep Obama from being re-elected as you whined for 4 years ?

[Common]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37036303.jpg


I didnt post this to complain how few, I dont care how many, it was how assinine the 13 were they should have passed NONE they would have looked better

[Chris]

Theres been alot of job creation, everywhere else and this chart doesnt show ALL the outsourcing.

The bulk of jobs that remain in the US is Service jobs and small business. No one can make a living for a family working for a neighborhood landscaper or delivering pizzas.
The true impact of outsourcing hasnt hit yet in my opinion. When the realization finally hits that AMERICANS do not have enough money to spend to ever float the economy again. Then the corps will find they are selling less.
I keep hoping that Corporations and thier leaders will start to be americans again one day and become patriots again and put america and americans ahead of A FEW EXTRA BUCKS IN CHEAP LABOR.
Corporations were making billions with american labor before china. ALL the whining about taxs falls on my deaf ears doesnt matter if the TAX CODE HERE WAS ZERO they would outsource for a few extra bucks anyway.



Top Rated Outsourcing Countries


Country
Overall Rating
Cost Index
Resources/Skills
Workforce


India
7.1
8.3
6
1,430,000,000


Indonesia
6.9
8.6
4.3
1,033,000,000


China
6.4
7
5.6
780,000,000


Bulgaria
6.4
8.8
2.9
3,000,000


Philippines
6.3
9
2.8
39,000,000


Jordan
6.2
7.6
2.7
2,000,000


Singapore
6.5
6.4
5.7
3,000,000


Thailand
6
8.2
2.3
39,000,000


Lithuania
5.9
7
3.9
2,000,000


Egypt
5.8
9
0.9
26,000,000


Malaysia
5.8
7.9
2.2
12,000,000


Estonia
5.8
7.5
5.2
1,000,000


Chile
5.7
7.2
3
8,000,000


Hungary
5.6
6.9
3.4
4,000,000


Poland
5.6
6.1
3.6
17,000,000


Czech Republic
5.6
6.9
3.2
5,000,000


Ukraine
5.5
6.3
3.2
22,000,000


Romania
5.5
6.8
2.7
9,000,000


Latvia
5.4
7
2.7
1,000,000


Vietnam
5.4
7.4
2.5
46,000,000


Ghana
4.9
7.5
0.9
11,000,000


South Africa
4.6
6.9
0.6
17,000,000


Kenya
4.5
6.7
1.3
18,000,000


Senegal
4.3
7.1
0.2
6,000,000


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The bulk of jobs that remain in the US is Service jobs and small business. No one can make a living for a family working for a neighborhood landscaper or delivering pizzas.

Huh? More people than not work in the service industry. It's not just landscaping and pizza delivery. The manufacturing jobs are being lost to automation, manufacturing as a % of GDP is declining worldwide, the only way manufacturers can compete burdened with excessive taxation and regulation is to export the jobs. Your economic analysis is lacking.

[Common]

Huh? More people than not work in the service industry. It's not just landscaping and pizza delivery. The manufacturing jobs are being lost to automation, manufacturing as a % of GDP is declining worldwide, the only way manufacturers can compete burdened with excessive taxation and regulation is to export the jobs. Your economic analysis is lacking.

No your economic analysis is bogus. READ THE CHART those jobs werent lost to automation but to outsourcing period.
They are now starting to abandon and make preparations to abandon china for mexico and quatemala and others for an xtra BUCK, because chinese LABOR is wising up.
Technological automation will be a large factor in the future, but what put us where we are right NOW is corporate outsourcing period

[Chris]

No your economic analysis is bogus. READ THE CHART those jobs werent lost to automation but to outsourcing period.
They are now starting to abandon and make preparations to abandon china for mexico and quatemala and others for an xtra BUCK, because chinese LABOR is wising up.
Technological automation will be a large factor in the future, but what put us where we are right NOW is corporate outsourcing period

I included outsourcing in my analysis.


Technological automation will be....

http://i.snag.gy/unkNv.jpg

[Common]

Service jobs and small business is whats left I agree, I disagree that automation had anything to do with todays unemployment and the state of this economy that was ALL the OUTSOURCING of american jobs.
You can attempt to deny outsourcing hurt this country and the economy by idling millions of workers and underemploying millions more all you want the facts are still right there. Many of those millions are now getting food stamps and other asst that they never needed before. So not only do the rich get to outsource and make a few bucks and put millions out of work the rest of working america gets to pay the additional assistance bills.

[Chris]

Service jobs and small business is whats left I agree, I disagree that automation had anything to do with todays unemployment and the state of this economy that was ALL the OUTSOURCING of american jobs.
You can attempt to deny outsourcing hurt this country and the economy by idling millions of workers and underemploying millions more all you want the facts are still right there. Many of those millions are now getting food stamps and other asst that they never needed before. So not only do the rich get to outsource and make a few bucks and put millions out of work the rest of working america gets to pay the additional assistance bills.


I disagree that automation had anything to do with todays unemployment

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/13610-Destroying-jobs-is-the-entire-point-of-this-invention-stuff, http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/10565-The-Siren-Song-of-the-Robots?highlight=unemployment+insurance

Come up with an argument rather than a repetition of opinion.


that was ALL the OUTSOURCING of american jobs

Forgetting the decline of manufacturing and excessive taxation and regulation.

Come up with an argument rather than a repetition of opinion.


Let's toss in execesses in Unemployment Insurance and other benefits that incentivize early retirement over returning to work: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/9384-Mulligan-on-Redistribution-Unemployment-and-the-Labor-Market?highlight=unemployment+insurance

[TheInternet]

Since it is a GOP Congress, the House, I don't think we can expect much more. When members are comfortably in their Gerrymandered Districts, they don't feel any pressure to actually work for the American people. They are sure of their re-election.....for now. But the Demographics are changing. The GOP is on borrowed time.

Never have understood why people think they're not working for the American people. What would you like to see passed?


Service jobs and small business is whats left I agree, I disagree that automation had anything to do with todays unemployment and the state of this economy that was ALL the OUTSOURCING of american jobs.
You can attempt to deny outsourcing hurt this country and the economy by idling millions of workers and underemploying millions more all you want the facts are still right there. Many of those millions are now getting food stamps and other asst that they never needed before. So not only do the rich get to outsource and make a few bucks and put millions out of work the rest of working america gets to pay the additional assistance bills.

A lot of it is automation. Manufacturing output in the US has increased while manufacturing jobs have simultaneously decreased.

http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2011/02/u-s-trade-deficits-worth-26-million-jobs.html

[Mainecoons]

Careful, the two you quoted don't like facts that put holes in leftist rants.

:grin:

[Ransom]

Huh? More people than not work in the service industry. It's not just landscaping and pizza delivery. The manufacturing jobs are being lost to automation, manufacturing as a % of GDP is declining worldwide, the only way manufacturers can compete burdened with excessive taxation and regulation is to export the jobs. Your economic analysis is lacking.

No your economic analysis is bogus. READ THE CHART those jobs werent lost to automation but to outsourcing period.
They are now starting to abandon and make preparations to abandon china for mexico and quatemala and others for an xtra BUCK, because chinese LABOR is wising up.
Technological automation will be a large factor in the future, but what put us where we are right NOW is corporate outsourcing period

Imagine if Chinese labor not only wised up, but unionized. Imagine if US companies and Chinese as well had to pay bolt turners 25 an hour, give them lifetime pension and benefit programs, our General Motors fessed up 29 billion in 2012 for Pension obligations. "Corporate" outsourcing is merely a phrase used by bomb throwers that you listen to, Common. Foreign labor is cheaper, often times even more productive as employees don't come to work with an entitlement mentality, US companies shy away from their overly litigious, overbloated government with it's runaway IRS, EPA, EEOC, and government oversight. Your blame you assign corporations here Common is just more of the same bullshit, we burden these corporations with multi-layered regulation and corporate taxes.....and blame them when they take advantage of fairer winds abroad. Seems to me this all started when government began making corporate life hell.

[BrianDamage]

Why do you assume "they don't feel any pressure to actually work for the American people"? The basis of your and common's criticism are the same, the assumption government can do something to help. You all need to establish that first.

Is there an interstate highway system? Are there bridges, tunnels, etc? Yes? Were they all built with private funds? No? Look, proof the government can help.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Is there an interstate highway system? Are there bridges, tunnels, etc? Yes? Were they all built with private funds? No? Look, proof the government can help.

"Can" help, sure, they just choose not to.

[Chris]

Is there an interstate highway system? Are there bridges, tunnels, etc? Yes? Were they all built with private funds? No? Look, proof the government can help.

One, yes, they were built by politicians spending other people's money.

Two, yes, look at that wonderful infrastructure now.

Three, just because government has done it is not reason it ought to.

[TheInternet]

Careful, the two you quoted don't like facts that put holes in leftist rants.

:grin:

Most leftist partisan hacks don't. Always brings the lawls.

[Ransom]

Is there an interstate highway system? Are there bridges, tunnels, etc? Yes? Were they all built with private funds? No? Look, proof the government can help.

But remember the roads and bridges were built to facilitate the automobile, the private sector bringing us the innovation, the competition needed for efficiencies and economies of scale. Government's role is to be helpful, today, they for the most part stand in the waay....they prevent progress.

[BrianDamage]

"Can" help, sure, they just choose not to.

But Chris wasn't arguing that they were choosing not to help. He was asking for proof that the government could help.

[BrianDamage]

One, yes, they were built by politicians spending other people's money.

Two, yes, look at that wonderful infrastructure now.

Three, just because government has done it is not reason it ought to.

Irrelevant. You asked for proof they could, not that they should.

One can argue whether they should or not. Trying to maintain that they can't is just stupid.

[jillian]

One, yes, they were built by politicians spending other people's money.

Two, yes, look at that wonderful infrastructure now.

Three, just because government has done it is not reason it ought to.

you have a problem with the infrastructure now?

you should write the teatards in congress and tell them to do their job so we can get to improving, repairing and replacing.

or you can sit at home and hate gubmint

[Mainecoons]

You can get 25 percent more infrastructure simply by repealing Davis Bacon.

Of course, you don't want to hear that because the left is owned by big labor.

[Private Pickle]

you have a problem with the infrastructure now?

you should write the teatards in congress and tell them to do their job so we can get to improving, repairing and replacing.

or you can sit at home and hate gubmint
Here is my letter: "Dear Tea Tard, Please tell the President to sell more of our country to China instead of reducing entitlements to pay for the infrastructure of this country... You know, infrastructure? The thing that enables this country to generate the income necessary to pay for entitlements." Thanks you.

[Chris]

Why do you assume "they don't feel any pressure to actually work for the American people"? The basis of your and common's criticism are the same, the assumption government can do something to help. You all need to establish that first.


Is there an interstate highway system? Are there bridges, tunnels, etc? Yes? Were they all built with private funds? No? Look, proof the government can help.


One, yes, they were built by politicians spending other people's money.

Two, yes, look at that wonderful infrastructure now.

Three, just because government has done it is not reason it ought to.


But Chris wasn't arguing that they were choosing not to help. He was asking for proof that the government could help.


Irrelevant. You asked for proof they could, not that they should.

One can argue whether they should or not. Trying to maintain that they can't is just stupid.


Irrelevant

Why? Make an argument, please.


You asked for proof they could, not that they should.

I've cited our entire exchange, where did I ask for proof?


One can argue whether they should or not.

Which is what I argued.


Trying to maintain that they can't is just stupid.

Why are you arguing with that stupid strawman?