Entitlement America: The high cost of free

[Mainecoons]

Why does a large portion of the population choose not to work when there are many jobs available? The answer is simple. If you can receive 2-3 times as much money from unemployment, disability, and/or welfare benefits (subsidized housing, food stamps, free cellphones, etc.) as you can from a temporary or part-time job, and live a life of leisure, why work? In 2011, the U.S. government spent over $800 billion this “welfare,” exceeding expenditures on Social Security or Medicare.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-16/entitlement-america-and-high-cost-free

And the best part, Republicrats note:


Before you growl, you should know that the free cellphone program was instated by President Bush in 2008 through the FCC’s Universal Service Fund. Fees for these “free” cellphones are paid by all telecommunications service providers out of the revenue received from their paying customers. Despite the political rhetoric over the past half century, entitlements were actually highest during Republican administrations. The political allure of free is bi-partisan.

(Side note for JimH: Seems to me, Jimbo, that the Republicrats have been doing a pretty good job of being Democrats just like you keep advocating, eh?)

If you dispute this analysis, see if you can offer some refuting facts rather than just rant opinions. Thanks.

[Cigar]

I completely support The Republicans, The GOP, Conservatives and The Right in general to continue beating the drum of kicking those freeloaders to the street; if I was advising the Democrats, I'd tell them to just keep their mouths shut and let the Right do it stuff.

:f_applause: :icon_thumleft:

[zelmo1234]

I completely suppoert the Democrats and their policies of spend, spend, spend.

we are getting closer and closer to the wall and when we hit it it will be more than just the dell phone program that disappears.

the left will have nothing to do but say? we lied, ther eis no money left. Of move to revolution!

The Republicans should stick to conservative values and keep pusing for smaller government. When the shit hits the fan they can say we told you so!

[Cigar]

I completely suppoert the Democrats and their policies of spend, spend, spend.

we are getting closer and closer to the wall and when we hit it it will be more than just the dell phone program that disappears.

the left will have nothing to do but say? we lied, ther eis no money left. Of move to revolution!

The Republicans should stick to conservative values and keep pusing for smaller government. When the shit hits the fan they can say we told you so!

I agree ... it's working like a charm ... don't change a thing. :f_applause: :icon_thumleft:

[Chris]

I agree ... it's working like a charm ... don't change a thing. :f_applause: :icon_thumleft:

Economies are not designed, so, yes, trying to design and manage it only does harm and it's better no to do anything. Well, the debt could be reduced, but no one in Washington is interested in that.

[Mainecoons]

Yes, printing money is working like a charm. If you're a math expert 2+2=10 makes sense. Right Cigar?

BTW, I didn't expect anything of substance from you and as usual the expectation was correct. :grin:

[zelmo1234]

We are well inot our 5th year of /democratic economic policies. And what do we have to show for it?

Do we have the middle class back to working??? NO! we are at the same unemployment number but with millions less in the work force!

Do we have the poor and the middle class making more money? NO! the lost about 5K in income and 40% of thier wealth!

How about that Green Energy thing? Is that lowering costs? NO! Gas is stll nearly double what it was when the big bad GWB oil president was in office, electricity is higher, the only bright spot is natural gas!

How about healthcare surely that is better? NO! now as it gets closers we see that obamacare will actually not insure more people, just different people and that cost is in the trillions, not to mention that insurance rates for those that do have it! are skyrocketing!

How about our influencew in the world??? NO! that sucks too, we ahve the middle east on fire, and Russia openly makes fun of our President So No respect there?

Can you believe that we can now refer to the GWB Presidency as the good old days????

[Cigar]

Economies are not designed, so, yes, trying to design and manage it only does harm and it's better no to do anything. Well, the debt could be reduced, but no one in Washington is interested in that.

The Nations Infrastructure will last forever and the cost to maintain it will never increase, so Do-Nothing!
The Cost of Re-Building Towns and Cities after Weather Disasters will always be the same, so Do-Nothing!

Yea that's it ... Do-Nothing ... that's what The GOP is best at.

Yep ... :wink:

[Mainecoons]

We are well inot our 5th year of /democratic economic policies. And what do we have to show for it?

Do we have the middle class back to working??? NO! we are at the same unemployment number but with millions less in the work force!

Do we have the poor and the middle class making more money? NO! the lost about 5K in income and 40% of thier wealth!

How about that Green Energy thing? Is that lowering costs? NO! Gas is stll nearly double what it was when the big bad GWB oil president was in office, electricity is higher, the only bright spot is natural gas!

How about healthcare surely that is better? NO! now as it gets closers we see that obamacare will actually not insure more people, just different people and that cost is in the trillions, not to mention that insurance rates for those that do have it! are skyrocketing!

How about our influencew in the world??? NO! that sucks too, we ahve the middle east on fire, and Russia openly makes fun of our President So No respect there?

Can you believe that we can now refer to the GWB Presidency as the good old days????

Yes, but look at the bright side--the rich are richer than ever and the deficit this year is going to shrink to a mere trillion or so. Aren't you impressed?

:rofl:

[Cigar]

We are well inot our 5th year of /democratic economic policies. And what do we have to show for it?

Do we have the middle class back to working??? NO! we are at the same unemployment number but with millions less in the work force!

Do we have the poor and the middle class making more money? NO! the lost about 5K in income and 40% of thier wealth!

How about that Green Energy thing? Is that lowering costs? NO! Gas is stll nearly double what it was when the big bad GWB oil president was in office, electricity is higher, the only bright spot is natural gas!

How about healthcare surely that is better? NO! now as it gets closers we see that obamacare will actually not insure more people, just different people and that cost is in the trillions, not to mention that insurance rates for those that do have it! are skyrocketing!

How about our influencew in the world??? NO! that sucks too, we ahve the middle east on fire, and Russia openly makes fun of our President So No respect there?

Can you believe that we can now refer to the GWB Presidency as the good old days????

So who is referring to the GWB Presidency as the good old days ...?

Angry Bitter Old White Farts who will never see their candidate in The White House ever again? :old:

[Cigar]

Yes, but look at the bright side--the rich are richer than ever and the deficit this year is going to shrink to a mere trillion or so. Aren't you impressed?

:rofl:

Don't forget the Stock Market :grin:

[zelmo1234]

The Nations Infrastructure will last forever and the cost to maintain it will never increase, so Do-Nothing!
The Cost of Re-Building Towns and Cities after Weather Disasters will always be the same, so Do-Nothing!

Yea that's it ... Do-Nothing ... that's what The GOP is best at.

Yep ... :wink:

acknowledgeing that we are broke is what the DNC does best. So what could be done to help to spur the economy!

#1 Gas taxes to suppor ththe roads, as well as licence fees and toll roads provide plenty of money, the hold up is in the Prevaling wage laws that require companies to pay employees sometims double what the normally make to bid on those projects.

Lift prevaling wage laws and heavy equiptment opperators would make 20 dollars and hour instead of 38 and those high tech sign turners wold make 12, dollars an hour instead of 28! the same amount they make on each and every job that is not a state of federal highway project.

This would allow for double the work for the nearly the same dollars! This would put more job in the industray and states, counties and the feds would get a lot more done for less money!

Here is a great one. Instad of protecting the insurance companies how about giving them A period in whjich they must settel with all home owners. I think that 3 months would be sufficent!

And then let the American people know that FEMA, which is usually a disaster anyway will be limited to infstructur clean up and providing temporary housing, (we could also start re using the trailers)

The american people would step up in support of there brothers and sisters, just as we have always done. More savings faster responce!

How about if we admit that the govenrment is so large it is not capable of doing anything right!

[Chris]

The Nations Infrastructure will last forever and the cost to maintain it will never increase, so Do-Nothing!
The Cost of Re-Building Towns and Cities after Weather Disasters will always be the same, so Do-Nothing!

Yea that's it ... Do-Nothing ... that's what The GOP is best at.

Yep ... :wink:

You mean the failing government-built infrastructure?

Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Relief_Appropriations_Act,_2013)


The AINS to H.R. 152 (http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.113hr152) provides for $17 billion in immediate support to the victims and communities impacted by Hurricane Sandy. A breakdown for the funding for is as follows:

Agency
Appropriation


Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Disaster Relief Fund (DRF)
$5.4 billion


Department of Transportation, Federal Transit Authority Emergency Relief
$5.4 billion


Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
$3.9 billion


Army Corps of Engineers
$1.35 billion


Department of the Interior
$287 million


Department of Health and Human Services
$100 million


Department of Veterans Affairs
$235 million


Small Business Administration
$161 million


National Guard
$24.2 million


Department of Agriculture
$6 million


Amtrak
$32 million


Federal Aviation Administration
$14.6 million


Agriculture
$218 million


Commerce, Justice, Science
$513.25 million


Department of Defense
$88.335 million


Energy and Water
$3.997 billion


Financial Services
$651 million


Homeland Security
$6.544 billion


Interior and Environment
$1.166 billion


Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education
$725 million


Transportation, Housing and Urban Development
$19.773 billion

[zelmo1234]

Don't forget the Stock Market :grin:

yes lets look at the stock market, With the Fed starting to talk about not investing 85 billion a month we started to see the signs of a correction last week.

The market gains are built on money printing and not real economic imporvement!

What happens if they really stop the 85 billion in free money?? That remains to be seen, but it is likely we will see at tlead a 25% correction!

This entier administration is smoke and mirrors.

[Mainecoons]

Why Cigar, the stock market bubble is one of the primary means by which the Obama administration has made the rich richer. However, please ignore all those warnings that the smart money is quietly leaving, selling out to the suckers. Please buy more grossly overpriced stocks. :rofl:

[Chris]

Here you go, cigar, a brief lesson in Hayekian economics: The More Government Does, The Bigger The Failures (http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2013/06/17/the_more_government_does_the_bigger_the_failures_1 00402.html):


...While the government is trying to improve things with all its programs and regulations, the problem lies in the intelligence and information necessary to achieve the desired goals.

Free markets work by coordinating the actions of millions of buyers and sellers through the incredible simplicity of price signals. All the parties involved in a market adjust their behavior in response to prices. Those adjustments in supply and demand cause prices to change and this back-and-forth continues until the market settles into equilibrium. Markets work without anybody knowing anything except information about his own business (for sellers) or tastes and preferences (for buyers).

For government to make a market work by exerting control it needs to know everything: the cost structure of every seller and the willingness to pay of every buyer. Without all this information, the government cannot obtain its desired result. Certainly government can try to adjust as it goes and might eventually get it right, but, unfortunately, since business costs change and people's preferences are fickle, the government has to hit a moving target.

When you factor in not just the amount of information required but also the intelligence, the problem gets even worse. The politicians and the bureaucrats in all the government agencies think they are very smart. After all, it takes at least intellectual confidence if not arrogance to believe you know enough to legislate and regulate the economy to where you want it to go.

Unfortunately for the government, an important lesson to learn is that the people are smarter than the government....

[zelmo1234]

Why Cigar, the stock market bubble is one of the primary means by which the Obama administration has made the rich richer. However, please ignore all those warnings that the smart money is quietly leaving, selling out to the suckers. Please buy more grossly overpriced stocks. :rofl:

You are correct the money of the wealthy investors is moging into hedging fund, which actually go up when the market goes down

as gold and silver prices drop they soone will be a possible safe haven again!

It is really easy to see why the rich ahve gained so much in the housing crisis! They are the only ones with money.

They cold see that collapse coming in round one 2008! divested of mortgage backed securities that were bbought up by the middle class that was being sold a bill of goods. the wealthy moved thier money in to physical metals at bargin basement prices.

Through the collapse, metals skyrocketed as the market charsh well below what shoudu have been the correction as the middle class was in panic selling mode and this triggered automatic selling of pension funds, which was against what the managers wanted to do metals skyrocketed as a safe haven and the upper middle class took thier remaining dollars and bought gold and silver.

When the middle calss and pension funds started to buy metals, the wealth kept enough to secure against collapse and used the money to buy into the market at fire sale prices. The government starts to print money and invest and the wealth ride the wave to the top. As the market start to stagnate the wealthy watched as the housing market finally hit bottom from the soft landing approach take by the obama administration.

With the gains from the metals and the market rally the wealthy have been investing in realestate for 18 months taking advantage of the losses of the middle class once agian

The rich get richer during recessions, not during great times of economic gain! because they are the only ones with money and they ahve vision to see what the trends are. The middle class always reacts late. and thus ten to make little or loos on thier investments.

You want to know why the rich have done so well. I give you the predictable policies of liberals and socialist in the obama administration. which robs from the poor and middle class by destroying the economy and allows the wealthy to take advantage of fire sale prices!

[Frogger]

One of the first things we should do is change the welfare entitlement program.

Welfare is meant to be a stop gap measure, not a way of life. It has become attractive enough that many people see no reason to work as long as their fellow citizens continue to support them. We should offer welfare payments to those who cannot work due to phsical or mental conditions beyond their control not to those who simply don't want to work.

We should also make it more attractive to get off welfare and start working than to remain on the dole. This can be done by initiating a work incentive program. Let's say someone is getting $100 a month for welfare. I know that is a ridiculously low number but let's use it for the purposes of my suggestion. Presently, if a person gets a job earning $100 a month they lose their welfare payment. There is no incentive to get a job. Why not allow the person to keep fifty cents of their welfare money plus the $100 they earn. In that way they will have an incentive to get a job. They will be earning considerably more than they did on welfare. They get more and the tax payers pay less. As they begin to earn more money continue to reduce their welfare payments by an amount that will still allow them to have more money in their pockets. Take away their welfare subsidies in gradual increments so that they will always be making more by working than by sitting on their asses. Do these incremental decreases in welfare payments until they are totally off welfare.

For those who refuse to work, make welfare less attractive. If someone refuses to take an available job reduce that person's welfare payments. No more color televisions or internet service. Reduce their payments even more each time they refuse a job offer until they finally see the light and start working.

[jillian]

lol.. this is so funny...

particularly when the bulk of our money is going to unnecessary wars that the right likes so much.

but, yes, let's do starve people and give welfare to the corporations.

lmao

[Mainecoons]

Where's the beef?

Can we assume that you agree the numbers are correct?

Or are you even able to grasp the size and significance of them?

The lefties are batting zero on this thread thus far. Not a single response of substance. Why am I not surprised?

[Chris]

lol.. this is so funny...

particularly when the bulk of our money is going to unnecessary wars that the right likes so much.

but, yes, let's do starve people and give welfare to the corporations.

lmao

Now that was funny, emotionalism usually is: "but, yes, let's do starve people". No one's arguing for that.

Moreover, corporate welfare is the same rent-seeking, centrally planned crony capitalistic redistribution of wealth social welfare is, it's all an exchange of economic favor for more power. And, yes, that includes the warfare state.

[Cigar]

You mean the failing government-built infrastructure?

Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Relief_Appropriations_Act,_2013)

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No I mean the cracking and falling bridges ... :rollseyes:

[zelmo1234]

lol.. this is so funny...

particularly when the bulk of our money is going to unnecessary wars that the right likes so much.

but, yes, let's do starve people and give welfare to the corporations.

lmao

You know I don not tire easily, each and every time you post this BS I am gong to show you the FACTS

here is your war total for 13 years of wars.

http://costofwar.com/

About 110 billion a year!

Here is the cost of welfare!

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/report-welfare-governments-single-largest-budget-item-in-fy-2011-at-approx-1-03-trillion/

Over 10 times the cost of the wars.

You see either you are part of the people that have been taken in by the lies of liberals or you are one of the LIARS!

Because I have to keep reposting the FACTS

[zelmo1234]

No I mean the cracking and falling bridges ... :rollseyes:

YES apparently maens the cracking and falling bridges as well!

The question is when will the trillions in spending start to show results? we certianly have not witnessed them in the first 4 years?

[Chris]

No I mean the cracking and falling bridges ... :rollseyes:

That's the definition of infrastructure, cigar. And it is failing. And it was government-built.

[Cigar]

YES apparently maens the cracking and falling bridges as well!

The question is when will the trillions in spending start to show results? we certianly have not witnessed them in the first 4 years?

Well ... let's see ...

If you check, most of The 50 STATES have Websites that show how "their" Governors "choose" to spend Stimulus Funds.

... you see, President Barack Obama doesn't dictate to the State Governors how to spend "their" Money.

http://recoverymap.illinois.gov/

So if the money in "your" State is not being spent the way "you" like ... maybe you should call "your" Governor.

[patrickt]

Ignoring Jillian and Cigar, since lying and distortion don't really develop the topic, the entitlement society is unsustainable. We all know that the free things and services aren't free. Free is simply libspeak for, "Someone else pays for me."

Whether it's the infrastructure, healthcare, wars, or cell phones and service someone has to pay. Some expenses are one time, such as WWII, and some are intermittent, such as major infrastructure upgrades and some are constant and ongoing forever, such as entitlements.

That free healthcare doesn't come once and go away. That lifetime on welfare is not just for your lifetime but it's a generational legacy for your kids and your grandchildren. That Social Security that you pretend you paid for is actually being paid for by workers today. Aren't liberals wonderful? It's all free. Education is free, too, and that's why the only solution the liberals have to fix the significant problems in our education industry is for them to spend more money that you provide.

And, please note before some idiot talks about people starving that we've spent billions on poverty and have more hungry people than ever. Isn't that amazing? And before another idiot whines about the infrastructure, consider that we divert money from our infrastructure to liberal entitlements so liberals can raise taxes on "them" and spend even more money on entitlements. In our town, our Mayor, formerly of the SDS, whined about the infrastructure and got a tax increase which he used to build a fabulous new homeless shelter so we could attract more homeless people from the liberal cities. A few years later we were asked for yet another tax increase for more police and fire. That's how it works for liberals. Rest assured, had that new tax been passed we would not have gotten any police or fire support.

There is no such thing as "free". Only an idiot thinks there is. Any a scumbag pretends having someone else pay for them is "free".

[Mister D]

Not sure fighting poverty makes much sense when we import poor people.

[Cigar]

Still waiting for my Free Obama Cell-Phone :grin:

[Chris]

Still waiting for my Free Obama Cell-Phone :grin:

Obama didn't need to buy your vote.

[Cigar]

Not sure fighting poverty makes much sense when we import poor people.

If I were you, I'd just leave the country. :wink:

[Cigar]

Obama didn't need to buy your vote.

But I could have given him a call and told him what to work on next.

Because everyone but you and Fox News knew he was going to win.

[Chris]

But I could have given him a call and told him what to work on next.

Because everyone but you and Fox News knew he was going to win.

He already had your vote, that's all that matters. Thus no free cell phone.

[Mister D]

If I were you, I'd just leave the country. :wink:

Nah. We'll just start over. Where do you want the Negro reservations to be? I know you don't like the cold...:afro:

[patrickt]

But I could have given him a call and told him what to work on next.

Because everyone but you and Fox News knew he was going to win.

Still desperate to distract, right, Cigar. The last thing in the world you want to talk about is entitlements. Well, you're entitled.

[Cigar]

Still desperate to distract, right, Cigar. The last thing in the world you want to talk about is entitlements. Well, you're entitled.

Yea ... because we all know that Black People are on Welfare or Unemployment or drugs or yada yada yada yada ... Entitlements :rollseyes:

{insert-std-talking-points} and lose more Presidential Election. :laugh:

[Cigar]

Nah. We'll just start over. Where do you want the Negro reservations to be? I know you don't like the cold...:afro:

Right next door to you. :laugh:

[Micketto]

lol.. this is so funny...

particularly when the bulk of our money is going to unnecessary wars that the right likes so much.

but, yes, let's do starve people and give welfare to the corporations.

lmao


That very lame, forced "lmao" never works as a any sort of evidence that you're above the discussion.... or those in it.

Not sure why you use it so much.

[Micketto]

You know I don not tire easily, each and every time you post this BS I am gong to show you the FACTS

here is your war total for 13 years of wars.

http://costofwar.com/

About 110 billion a year!

Here is the cost of welfare!

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/report-welfare-governments-single-largest-budget-item-in-fy-2011-at-approx-1-03-trillion/

Over 10 times the cost of the wars.

You see either you are part of the people that have been taken in by the lies of liberals or you are one of the LIARS!

Because I have to keep reposting the FACTS




The truth isn't going to end the false claims of "the wars, that the Right loves, are costing most of the money".



Truth and liberalism mix about as well as oil and water.

[Chris]

Yea ... because we all know that Black People are on Welfare or Unemployment or drugs or yada yada yada yada ... Entitlements :rollseyes:

{insert-std-talking-points} and lose more Presidential Election. :laugh:

So are whites:



Welfare Statistics



Total number of Americans on welfare
4,300,000


Total number of Americans on food stamps (http://www.statisticbrain.com/food-stamp-statistics/)
46,700,000


Total number of Americans on unemployment (http://www.statisticbrain.com/unemployment-rate-by-year/) insurance
5,600,000


Percent of the US population on welfare
4.1 %


Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment)
$131.9 billion


Welfare Demographics



Percent of recipients who are white
38.8 %


Percent of recipients who are black
39.8 %


Percent of recipients who are Hispanic
15.7 %


Percent of recipients who are Asian
2.4 %


Percent of recipients who are Other
3.3 %




http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

[Micketto]

Still waiting for my Free Obama Cell-Phone :grin:

Blacks who are already voting weren't given gifts, were they ?
I thought it was only blacks that weren't planning on voting.


Typical that a thread on "Entitlement" causes you to defend it, and with more posts than anyone, eh ?

[Mainecoons]

But without responding to it in any substantive manner.

Really, Cigar, it is OK. We all understand how limited you are.

:rofl:

[Cigar]

Blacks who are already voting weren't given gifts, were they ?
I thought it was only blacks that weren't planning on voting.


Typical that a thread on "Entitlement" causes you to defend it, and with more posts than anyone, eh ?

I'm not defending anything ... I'm pissed that I'm obviously the only Black person who's not getting his entitled Free Stuff.

WTF is with that?

Where' my Free Stuff ... ?

How can anyone know if I'm going to Vote, if they don't ask?

[Micketto]

Yea ... because we all know that Black People are on Welfare or Unemployment

Not all... but more than a few years ago...

2958

[Mister D]

Not all... but more than a few years ago...

2958

And disproportionately nationwide.

[Micketto]

I'm not defending anything ... I'm pissed that I'm obviously the only Black person who's not getting his entitled Free Stuff.

WTF is with that?

Where' my Free Stuff ... ?

How can anyone know if I'm going to Vote, if they don't ask?

Uh....Your government knows everything about you.

Haven't you seen it on your 13" color TV with rabbit ears ?!

[Cigar]

Not all... but more than a few years ago...

2958

Less Snow Flakes makes a puddle ... :laugh:

... when did you guys stop screwing?

Or is it just your women stopped screwing you. :grin:

[Cigar]

And disproportionately nationwide.

Should make it easier for you ... so what's your complaint?

[Mister D]

Should make it easier for you ... so what's your complaint?

What does that even mean?

[Mister D]

Less Snow Flakes makes a puddle ... :laugh:

... when did you guys stop screwing?

Or is it just your women stopped screwing you. :grin:

Unlike black folks, white folks plan for their children. In the midst of a recession, birth rates went down. Irresponsible Negroes just pop them out and expect to have them paid for.

[Chris]

I'm not defending anything ... I'm pissed that I'm obviously the only Black person who's not getting his entitled Free Stuff.

WTF is with that?

Where' my Free Stuff ... ?

How can anyone know if I'm going to Vote, if they don't ask?

You only get favors from government if it will result in return in a increase in government power. It's obvious you would have voted for Obama phone or no phone, so they gave your phone to someone it would make a difference too.

[Cigar]

You only get favors from government if it will result in return in a increase in government power. It's obvious you would have voted for Obama phone or no phone, so they gave your phone to someone it would make a difference too.

What if I wanted Tax Breaks instead? :laugh:

[Chris]

What if I wanted Tax Breaks instead? :laugh:

Same thing. If you're already contributing to a pol's campaign funds, for example, you're unlikely to get any political favors, you've already contributed to their power. You got to give to get.

"We have the best government that money can buy." ~Mark Twain

[Cigar]

Same thing. If you're already contributing to a pol's campaign funds, for example, you're unlikely to get any political favors, you've already contributed to their power. You got to give to get.

"We have the best government that money can buy." ~Mark Twain

So you agree ... this didn't start 4 years ago but was made worse by a court ruling ...

[Polt]

Welfare Demographics



Percent of recipients who are white
38.8 %


Percent of recipients who are black
39.8 %








That's pretty said, in absolute numbers, there are more blacks than whites on welfare, even though whites outnumber blacks 5 to 1, even though blacks get jobs over whites through racist business practices (AA), and even though a lot of those whites on welfare are foolish women who have bastard children by black men.

[Chris]

So you agree ... this didn't start 4 years ago but was made worse by a court ruling ...

This sort of growth in crony capitalism has been going on ever since government took power.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

~ supposedly Alexander Tytler

[Chris]

That's pretty said, in absolute numbers, there are more blacks than whites on welfare, even though whites outnumber blacks 5 to 1, even though blacks get jobs over whites through racist business practices (AA), and even though a lot of those whites on welfare are foolish women who have bastard children by black men.

And yet statistics tell you nothing about any individual.

What's sad is there's so many on welfare and so much is spent on it, period.

[Cigar]

And yet statistics tell you nothing about any individual.

What's sad is there's so many on welfare and so much is spent on it, period.

Wait ... what ... statistics tell you nothing about any individual ?

Really ... your candidate (whoever that was) may have had a chance if they said that.

[Micketto]

Less Snow Flakes makes a puddle ... :laugh:

... when did you guys stop screwing?

Or is it just your women stopped screwing you. :grin:

I'm not sure what language you speak... but wtf are you typing ?!

Higher black unemployment under Obama somehow ties to women and screwing, or something ?!

Less snowflakes makes a puddle ?!

[Cigar]

And yet statistics tell you nothing about any individual.

What's sad is there's so many on welfare and so much is spent on it, period.

Speaking of spending money ... who would you rather spend it on?

Americans or other countries that Americans are fighting?

[Cigar]

I'm not sure what language you speak... but wtf are you typing ?!

Higher black unemployment under Obama somehow ties to women and screwing, or something ?!

No ... lower White Babies, or didn't you get the memo?

[Mister D]

No ... lower White Babies, or didn't you get the memo?

Unlike black folks, white folks plan for their children. In the midst of a recession, birth rates went down. Irresponsible Negroes just pop them out and expect to have them paid for.

[Micketto]

No ... lower White Babies, or didn't you get the memo?

What are White Babies "lower" than ?

Please don't even try it....

[Mister D]

What are White Babies "lower" than ?

Please don't even try it....

he doesn't realize that because of the recession there were fewer whhite babies born whereas irresponsible blacks and browns couldn't care less.

[Micketto]

Unlike black folks, white folks plan for their children. In the midst of a recession, birth rates went down. Irresponsible Negroes just pop them out and expect to have them paid for.

Ohhh.. I get it now.
The racist idiot is claiming that there are more blacks on unemployment than whites... because less white people are having babies.

Lol.... that's hilarious. Blacks are outnumbered by how much? But less white babies means more blacks are not working?!

That makes no fkn sense !

[Micketto]

he doesn't realize that because of the recession there were fewer whhite babies born whereas irresponsible blacks and browns couldn't care less.

Yeah... that connection was hard to make... til I saw your responses.

Holy fk, how does he come up with this stuff? lol...

[Mister D]

Yeah... that connection was hard to make... til I saw your responses.

Holy fk, how does he come up with this stuff? lol...

He thinks he's quick and witty with his replies but half the time it's either totally unrelated or unintelligible. In Black History class they would just pat his afro and tell him he was a smart boy. He's gone through the rest of his life believing that shit. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Chris]

Wait ... what ... statistics tell you nothing about any individual ?

Really ... your candidate (whoever that was) may have had a chance if they said that.

I didn't have a candidate, cigar, you know that.

[Cigar]

I didn't have a candidate, cigar, you know that.


Dude ... when are you going to get your skin in the game and stop heckling from he cheep-seats?

[Cigar]

He thinks he's quick and witty with his replies but half the time it's either totally unrelated or unintelligible. In Black History class they would just pat his afro and tell him he was a smart boy. He's gone through the rest of his life believing that shit. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

You ladies want the door shut ... :wink:

[Chris]

Dude ... when are you going to get your skin in the game and stop heckling from he cheep-seats?

I have my skin in the game, just not the game of partisan hackery making catcalls from the peanut gallery.

[jillian]

I have my skin in the game, just not the game of partisan hackery making catcalls from the peanut gallery.

you mean you're going to stop trolling people?

[Cigar]

I have my skin in the game, just not the game of partisan hackery making catcalls from the peanut gallery.

Yea but the Gallery is where change happens ... and you get Free Peanuts.

If you're on the outside looking in, you're still on the outside ... just looking in.

[Chris]

you mean you're going to stop trolling people?

Why do you continue to make up that accusation, jillian? Like most insults it tells us more about you yourself.

[Chris]

Yea but the Gallery is where change happens ... and you get Free Peanuts.

If you're on the outside looking in, you're still on the outside ... just looking in.


The problem with politics in America is there is no inside. It's like Kafka's The Castle or The Trial. No one's really in change, the bureaucracy is running wild, the Second Coming is at hand...

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

~Yeats

[Cigar]

The problem with politics in America is there is no inside. It's like Kafka's The Castle or The Trial. No one's really in change, the bureaucracy is running wild, the Second Coming is at hand...

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

~Yeats

I'm guessing most Presidents come to office thinking they can change things and then you run into Life-Time Politicians who are opposed to anything that changes the Status Quo or reduses their power and money making capabilities.

[Chris]

I'm guessing most Presidents come to office thinking they can change things and then you run into Life-Time Politicians who are opposed to anything that changes the Status Quo or reduses their power and money making capabilities.

Most Presidents are life-long politicians. But I otherwise don't disagree with what you said.