Still more NSA whistleblowers

[Mainecoons]

Try though they may (see bottom of article) the Obama administration cannot shut all of them up. Still more evidence that Snowden is telling us the truth about the NSA and administration from hell that has turned it loose on the American people.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/nsa-whistleblower-nsa-spying-on-and-blackmailing-high-level-government-officials-and-military-officers.html

No doubt Baghdad Marie, Jimbo and Jillian will arrive shortly to assure us that all these whistle blowers are just liars and racists out to get Barry, the Emperor who has no clothes.

[Chris]

That link mentions former head of the NSA’s digital spying program – William Binney. Here he is being interviewed with two other whitleblowers: 3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/) (this was posted a couple days ago elsewhere so may not be new to all).


..Thomas Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe belong to a select fraternity: the NSA officials who paved the way.

For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens. They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data-collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media.

To the intelligence community, the trio are villains who compromised what the government classifies as some of its most secret, crucial and successful initiatives. They have been investigated as criminals and forced to give up careers, reputations and friendships built over a lifetime.

Today, they feel vindicated....

Video of interview at link.

[junie]

leakers of legally classified info are not "whistle blowers" they're criminals...

[JimH52]

leakers of legally classified info are not "whistle blowers" they're criminals...

Funny how the RWers on this board suddenly applaud the illegal leaking of classified information under a Dem, while their King W was fine doing the same thing and even more.

Oh wait...the Baggers will now say that W is a Democrat. Baggers vs Karl and the GOP
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ROUND ONE!

[JimH52]

leakers of legally classified info are not "whistle blowers" they're criminals...

And they will be prosecuted.

[JimH52]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)

You realize he resigned in 2001? Funny...

[Mister D]

Funny how the RWers on this board suddenly applaud the illegal leaking of classified information under a Dem, while their King W was fine doing the same thing and even more.

Oh wait...the Baggers will now say that W is a Democrat. Baggers vs Karl and the GOP
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ROUND ONE!

Jim, you've been here for a month. Who specifically?

[Chris]

leakers of legally classified info are not "whistle blowers" they're criminals...

But you assume what they divulge is legal activity or in the best interest of we the people. And provide no basis for that assumption.

[Chris]

Funny how the RWers on this board suddenly applaud the illegal leaking of classified information under a Dem, while their King W was fine doing the same thing and even more.

Oh wait...the Baggers will now say that W is a Democrat. Baggers vs Karl and the GOP
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ROUND ONE!

I know for a fact that some of us "RWers" reacted the same when Bush did similar.

Why are you LWers reacting the same now as then?

[Chris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)

You realize he resigned in 2001? Funny...

Uh, yes, so what's your point? The NSA has been doing this for a long time.

[JimH52]

Uh, yes, so what's your point? The NSA has been doing this for a long time.

This is news?:spacecraft:

[Mainecoons]

Only to you deniers, Baghdad Jimbo!

:rofl:

[Chris]

This is news?:spacecraft:

No, jim, why do you ask such silly questions it makes no sense to ask when I just said it's been happening a long time and some of us have been criticizing a long time.

[junie]

But you assume what they divulge is legal activity or in the best interest of we the people. And provide no basis for that assumption.


but you assume what they divulged is illegal activity or not in the best interest of we the people.

our basis in the USA is rule of law...

http://constitution.laws.com/rule-of-law

[Chris]

but you assume what they divulged is illegal activity or not in the best interest of we the people.

our basis in the USA is rule of law...

http://constitution.laws.com/rule-of-law

Uh, actually, no I don't assume, I want to know.


our basis in the USA is rule of law...

It ought to be but is rule of men when a few decide secretly what's right and wrong for us.

[jillian]

It ought to be but is rule of men when a few decide secretly what's right and wrong for us.

we live in a representative republic.

if you hate that, you should really find someplace that suits you better.

you might be happier.

[JimH52]

but you assume what they divulged is illegal activity or not in the best interest of we the people.

our basis in the USA is rule of law...

http://constitution.laws.com/rule-of-law

And that is where Congress comes into play. They are the ones that this criminal should have approached. Instead he broke multiple laws and then ran to a Communist country. He could have called his Congressman, but decided to break the law. Bad decision lead to bad consequences.

[Mainecoons]

Are we back to Snowden so we can avoid the reality that he is not the only whistle blower here?

OK, I can understand why you lefties are running away from this one too.

[Chris]

we live in a representative republic.

if you hate that, you should really find someplace that suits you better.

you might be happier.

Can you give me the steps for inventing emotions for others? I'd like to try it out.

Yes, we live in a representational republic, but legal positivism does not result in rule of law, only rule of men.

[Mainecoons]

It just gets better and better:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant


Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/surveillance)by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/nsa) to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court (http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/fisa-court)), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.
The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

[Chris]

And that is where Congress comes into play. They are the ones that this criminal should have approached. Instead he broke multiple laws and then ran to a Communist country. He could have called his Congressman, but decided to break the law. Bad decision lead to bad consequences.

That begs the question with a distraction. The real question here is how far has the NSA gone and has it crossed the line of acting in the interests of we the people into acting only in the interests of the state.

It's a political philosophy difference between Locke's view of government and Hegel's. Locke's view led to the USA, Hegel's to fascism and nazism. Locke's view was rule of law, Hegel's rule of men, the elite few central planners of the state.

[Mainecoons]

Snowden is rapidly becoming a minor player here. :grin:

[Mainecoons]

And still more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-has-received-aviation-clearance-for-at-least-four-domestic-drone-operations/2013/06/20/a040edb6-d9df-11e2-8ed8-7adf8eba6e9a_print.html

Calling Baghdads Jim, Jillian and Marie!

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