Justice Department To Review George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin Case

[Common]

If the feds dare to re try zimmerman for a hate crime, this country may never recover from the divide it will cause. It will turn independents to the right and it will change the minds of many on the fence.
Obama would serve the country well to tell holder to leave this alone.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/14/justice-department-george-zimmerman_n_3595835.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

[GrassrootsConservative]

It's too bad these goons couldn't have just payed attention to the case and came to the same conclusion as the 6 members of the jury did and all other intelligent people did.

[Peter1469]

The feds investigated the crime as a hate crime after it occurred. At that time they determined that it was not. Has anything changed since?

[Chris]

I think this involves civil rights, not hate crime. It's not really news, they've been looking into it for some time.

[Kabuki Joe]

If the feds dare to re try zimmerman for a hate crime, this country may never recover from the divide it will cause. It will turn independents to the right and it will change the minds of many on the fence.
Obama would serve the country well to tell holder to leave this alone.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/14/justice-department-george-zimmerman_n_3595835.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

...my concern with this is they somehow get something done to change the outcome and from that point on you will not be able to defend yourself ever again...you will be better off letting yourself get killed...I heard a bit from someone on how the government wants complete dependency from US citizens and in this case Zimmerman should have balled up and let trayvon kill him, and then quietly the authorities come in and clean up the mess, bada bing, badaboom, case closed...the way this turned out, there's been way too much work...complete dependency...

[Common]

Im hoping this is all for show to placate the most vocal about zimmerman and in the end they will leave it alone. I dont see obama and holder committing suicide over this

[roadmaster]

If they do, they may cause civil unrest and cause many lives to end. There is only so much people will take before they fight back.

[patrickt]

Maybe Eric Holder could just let the NBPP know that if they get Zimmerman he'll have their back.

[midcan5]

Your teenage son or daughter is walking home in the rain, it is growing dark, she is on the phone with a friend and eating the candy she just bought from a nearby convenience store. The hood is up on her jacket when a man starts following her in his car. She mentions this to a friend on the phone. Your son keeps walking. Soon your daughter walks behind a building, and the man in the car gets out and follows her. Your son does not know what motivates the follower. Soon they are so close, fear of each other causes a scuffle. Your daughter does not realize the man is armed with a gun. She fights the man to the ground and in the melee he is injured. He pulls a gun and kills your daughter. How do you feel? What gave him the right to follow and pursue your son or daughter. What motivated him to follow.


I thought the piece below spot on.


"What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime." link below




"Of course the deadly meeting last year between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had at its core a racial element. Of course its tragic result reminds us that the nation, in ways too many of our leaders refuse to acknowledge, is still riven by race. The story of Martin and Zimmerman is the story of crime and punishment in America, and of racial disparities in capital sentencing, and in marijuana prosecutions, and in countless other things. But it wasn't Judge Debra Nelson's job to conduct a seminar on race relations in 2013. It wasn't her job to help America bridge its racial divide. It was her job to give Zimmerman a fair trial. And she did.


So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch"). It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers." Andrew Cohen


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/

[Peter1469]

The prosecution didn't prove its case. It is that simple.

[patrickt]

The prosecution didn't prove its case. It is that simple.

No, but the lynch mob can make up lovely stories including girls and all sorts of fantasy to justify what they've done. They can claim that self-defense is outlandish. One should lie on the ground and allow themselves to be beaten to death when attacked by a larger, stronger assailant. Calling 911 and trying to keep an eye on a suspicious person is bad. Ignoring what is happening around you is, for liberals, good.

Midcan5: Your particular fantasy fell apart when you said my daughter, who was being followed by a strange man, chatted with a friend on the phone but never called the police. I'm afraid, Midcan5, my daughter wasn't raised like that. She's reasonably bright. And, "scuffle". Surely it was more of a tiff. Sitting on top of someone and pounding them so badly that the prosecution had to covert the color photos to black and white to conceal the extent of the injuries before they gave them to the defense wouldn't rise to the level of "scuffle" in libworld?

[zelmo1234]

Your teenage son or daughter is walking home in the rain, it is growing dark, she is on the phone with a friend and eating the candy she just bought from a nearby convenience store. The hood is up on her jacket when a man starts following her in his car. She mentions this to a friend on the phone. Your son keeps walking. Soon your daughter walks behind a building, and the man in the car gets out and follows her. Your son does not know what motivates the follower. Soon they are so close, fear of each other causes a scuffle. Your daughter does not realize the man is armed with a gun. She fights the man to the ground and in the melee he is injured. He pulls a gun and kills your daughter. How do you feel? What gave him the right to follow and pursue your son or daughter. What motivated him to follow.


I thought the piece below spot on.


"What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime." link below




"Of course the deadly meeting last year between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had at its core a racial element. Of course its tragic result reminds us that the nation, in ways too many of our leaders refuse to acknowledge, is still riven by race. The story of Martin and Zimmerman is the story of crime and punishment in America, and of racial disparities in capital sentencing, and in marijuana prosecutions, and in countless other things. But it wasn't Judge Debra Nelson's job to conduct a seminar on race relations in 2013. It wasn't her job to help America bridge its racial divide. It was her job to give Zimmerman a fair trial. And she did.


So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch"). It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers." Andrew Cohen


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/

I thought I would add a few FACTS, to your heart wrenching story.

On the way home your daughter decides that it is a great Idea to walk right next to the houses on Private property, where she does not have a right to be!

The person following her is from the neighborhood watch and has every right, and is expected to watch for suspicious behavior!

Your daughter is upset and makes racial slurs about the person following her and tell the person on the phone that she will not be able to steal anything with the Creepy Cracker following her!

In anger your daughter attacks the follower and wrestles him to the ground, is sitting on top of him beating him in the head and tell him that he is going to die!

Oh and last to cover for this planed murder the followers mentors black children with NO fathers and continued to do so even after they stopped paying him to do so!

I know in your emotional plea? that you have the need to eliminate the FACTS? but liberals never judge anything on facts and results, it has always been emotion and compassion!

Any reasonable person would say that if Travon had not chosen to attack and try to kill Zimmerman he would be alive and going about his live today. When you choose to attack someone? You have to accept the consequences!

[Common]

Your teenage son or daughter is walking home in the rain, it is growing dark, she is on the phone with a friend and eating the candy she just bought from a nearby convenience store. The hood is up on her jacket when a man starts following her in his car. She mentions this to a friend on the phone. Your son keeps walking. Soon your daughter walks behind a building, and the man in the car gets out and follows her. Your son does not know what motivates the follower. Soon they are so close, fear of each other causes a scuffle. Your daughter does not realize the man is armed with a gun. She fights the man to the ground and in the melee he is injured. He pulls a gun and kills your daughter. How do you feel? What gave him the right to follow and pursue your son or daughter. What motivated him to follow.


I thought the piece below spot on.


"What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime." link below




"Of course the deadly meeting last year between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had at its core a racial element. Of course its tragic result reminds us that the nation, in ways too many of our leaders refuse to acknowledge, is still riven by race. The story of Martin and Zimmerman is the story of crime and punishment in America, and of racial disparities in capital sentencing, and in marijuana prosecutions, and in countless other things. But it wasn't Judge Debra Nelson's job to conduct a seminar on race relations in 2013. It wasn't her job to help America bridge its racial divide. It was her job to give Zimmerman a fair trial. And she did.


So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch"). It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers." Andrew Cohen


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/


Whats wrong with your entire scenario is that the defense proved that trayvon martin had plenty of time to walk to the home he was going to, instead he choose to wait for zimmerman in the bushs and jump him. The evidence clearly showed zimmerman was the victim of assualt and that martin was on top of him. The prosecution did not prove 2nd degree or manslaughter, the defense proved self defense.

[Chris]

Your teenage son or daughter is walking home in the rain, it is growing dark, she is on the phone with a friend and eating the candy she just bought from a nearby convenience store. The hood is up on her jacket when a man starts following her in his car. She mentions this to a friend on the phone. Your son keeps walking. Soon your daughter walks behind a building, and the man in the car gets out and follows her. Your son does not know what motivates the follower. Soon they are so close, fear of each other causes a scuffle. Your daughter does not realize the man is armed with a gun. She fights the man to the ground and in the melee he is injured. He pulls a gun and kills your daughter. How do you feel? What gave him the right to follow and pursue your son or daughter. What motivated him to follow.


I thought the piece below spot on.


"What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime." link below




"Of course the deadly meeting last year between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had at its core a racial element. Of course its tragic result reminds us that the nation, in ways too many of our leaders refuse to acknowledge, is still riven by race. The story of Martin and Zimmerman is the story of crime and punishment in America, and of racial disparities in capital sentencing, and in marijuana prosecutions, and in countless other things. But it wasn't Judge Debra Nelson's job to conduct a seminar on race relations in 2013. It wasn't her job to help America bridge its racial divide. It was her job to give Zimmerman a fair trial. And she did.


So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch"). It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers." Andrew Cohen


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/

Another mess of speculation.

[Cigar]

They should let it go ... the trial is over Zimmy is a Citizen :wink:

[Mister D]

He has nothing to fear from Cigar that's for sure. :wink: Hopefully all such bravado is as empty as Cigar's.

[Mainecoons]

This is just more race baiting by the Racist In Chief and the head of the Department of Injustice. The FBI report proves that.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#.UeP4ctLXUfZ

[Chris]

This is just more race baiting by the Racist In Chief and the head of the Department of Injustice. The FBI report proves that.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#.UeP4ctLXUfZ

He seemed to back off on race and only repeat his gun control agenda.

[Mister D]

This is just more race baiting by the Racist In Chief and the head of the Department of Injustice. The FBI report proves that.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#.UeP4ctLXUfZ

The FBI is wrong. Progressive women have that intuition thing going for them. If the prosecution had introduced that evidence into the trial Zimmerman would have been convicted. :grin:

[Kabuki Joe]

Your teenage son or daughter is walking home in the rain, it is growing dark, she is on the phone with a friend and eating the candy she just bought from a nearby convenience store. The hood is up on her jacket when a man starts following her in his car. She mentions this to a friend on the phone. Your son keeps walking. Soon your daughter walks behind a building, and the man in the car gets out and follows her. Your son does not know what motivates the follower. Soon they are so close, fear of each other causes a scuffle. Your daughter does not realize the man is armed with a gun. She fights the man to the ground and in the melee he is injured. He pulls a gun and kills your daughter. How do you feel? What gave him the right to follow and pursue your son or daughter. What motivated him to follow.


I thought the piece below spot on.


"What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime." link below




"Of course the deadly meeting last year between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had at its core a racial element. Of course its tragic result reminds us that the nation, in ways too many of our leaders refuse to acknowledge, is still riven by race. The story of Martin and Zimmerman is the story of crime and punishment in America, and of racial disparities in capital sentencing, and in marijuana prosecutions, and in countless other things. But it wasn't Judge Debra Nelson's job to conduct a seminar on race relations in 2013. It wasn't her job to help America bridge its racial divide. It was her job to give Zimmerman a fair trial. And she did.


So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch"). It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers." Andrew Cohen


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/

...if my son assaults a little pudgy guy like zimmerman and lives, I'm going to be pissed off at first and then embarrassed later...I doubt that trayvon would have been as brave if he was the size of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was his size...trayvon thought he could take this little guy and while he was getting the best of it at first, fate dealt Zimmerman a better hand...the thing that just completely boggles my mind is that guns are an equalizer...they allow the weak to protect themselves from the strong...if Zimmerman had no gun and got hospitalized or killed, then trayvon would have been just one more black playing bones in prison...

[Adelaide]

It's over and done with. I think people should just move on. That seems to be what Trayvon Martin's family wants, along with privacy, I believe.

[Chris]

It's over and done with. I think people should just move on. That seems to be what Trayvon Martin's family wants, along with privacy, I believe.

That's sensible. The trial is over, not guilty. But there are some who still want to hijack it for their agendas. Like even Obama, in his statement, still linking it to gun control. Politics screws everything.

[Kabuki Joe]

It's over and done with. I think people should just move on. That seems to be what Trayvon Martin's family wants, along with privacy, I believe.

...are you kidding?...their son was stupid and got killed, do you think they will let it go at not guilty?...hell no...

[jillian]

...are you kidding?...their son was stupid and got killed, do you think they will let it go at not guilty?...hell no...

how was their son 'stupid', genius..... for walking with a pack of skittles and not being obsequious to some pos who followed him for no reason?

[jillian]

It's over and done with. I think people should just move on. That seems to be what Trayvon Martin's family wants, along with privacy, I believe.

did the brown family move on after OJ was acquitted? no? they took everything he was worth. different standards of proof in a criminal and civil case.

that's exactly how it works.

but i have no doubt zimmerman will write a book about white victimhood, he'll be just fine.

[Agravan]

how was their son 'stupid', genius..... for walking with a pack of skittles and not being obsequious to some pos who followed him for no reason?

He was stupid in that he circled back and attacked Zimmerman. You're stupid because you know this but refuse to admit it.

[Chris]

He was stupid in that he circled back and attacked Zimmerman. You're stupid because you know this but refuse to admit it.

She's not stupid, she's calculating, seeking out inflammatory statements, trolling for emotional reactions.

[Cigar]

He was stupid in that he circled back and attacked Zimmerman. You're stupid because you know this but refuse to admit it.



If you had a creepy guy following you at night ... what would you do?

Some guys run home to mama ...

Some guys run toward the creepy ...

Some guys standup for their ground ...

Something happened and something was said ... and someone got their ass-kicked for what they said.

[Chris]

If you had a creepy guy following you at night ... what would you do?

Some guys run home to mama ...

Some guys run toward the creepy ...

Some guys standup for their ground ...

Something happened and something was said ... and someone got their ass-kicked for what they said.

Brilliant appeal to emotions!

[RosieS]

how was their son 'stupid', genius..... for walking with a pack of skittles and not being obsequious to some pos who followed him for no reason?

Hey Jiillian....good to see you again!

Zimmerman was following for a reason all right. He probably could not help.it. He had recently been put on Adderall, so he was all aggro all the time.

After his arrest they made him get of his 'legal speed' and his weight blew up into Mr. Stay Puft.

It is ok to hunt a kid down, pull a gun on him and kill him because a drug made you do it.

As long as a doctor wrote a script, you are golden on 'self- defense' and the dead kid's parents should just shut up and slink away.

Yeah, right.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2012/05/abc-report-george-zimmerman-injuries-described-prescription-drugs-also-cited-in-weeks-prior-to-shooting/

Regards from Rosie

[Cigar]

Brilliant appeal to emotions!

No ... it's a fact ... someone did get their ass-kicked.

Someone had to get even.

Some may think the score isn't settled.

[Chris]

Hey Jiillian....good to see you again!

Zimmerman was following for a reason all right. He probably could not help.it. He had recently been put on Adderall, so he was all aggro all the time.

After his arrest they made him get of his 'legal speed' and his weight blew up into Mr. Stay Puft.

It is ok to hunt a kid down, pull a gun on him and kill him because a drug made you do it.

As long as a doctor wrote a script, you are golden on 'self- defense' and the dead kid's parents should just shut up and slink away.

Yeah, right.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2012/05/abc-report-george-zimmerman-injuries-described-prescription-drugs-also-cited-in-weeks-prior-to-shooting/

Regards from Rosie

One, Z didn't hunt T down, why make things up like jillian does?

Two, as to adderall, even your source disputes what you say:


According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm085819.pdf doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.rxlist.com/adderall-drug.htm doesn't mention those side effects.

Nice try, rosie!

[Chris]

No ... it's a fact ... someone did get their ass-kicked.

Someone had to get even.

Some may think the score isn't settled.

The emotional appeal is in the words you choose.

[Kabuki Joe]

how was their son 'stupid', genius..... for walking with a pack of skittles and not being obsequious to some pos who followed him for no reason?


...he's stupid because he did something that caused his own death...that's pretty stupid to me...I only wonder if he knew Zimmerman had a gun would he has still tried to kick his ass?...

[Cigar]

One, Z didn't hunt T down, why make things up like jillian does?

Two, as to adderall, even your source disputes what you say:



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm085819.pdf doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.rxlist.com/adderall-drug.htm doesn't mention those side effects.

Nice try, rosie!

Zimmy was NOT Pulled from the Vehicle after being instructed not to leave it.

I'm assuming most people who are up to no good, don't do it with a bag of skittles and Ice Tea while talking on the Cell Phone :rollseyes:

[Chris]

Zimmy was NOT Pulled from the Vehicle after being instructed not to leave it.

I'm assuming most people who are up to no good, don't do it with a bag of skittles and Ice Tea while talking on the Cell Phone :rollseyes:

Why are you making things up? He was never told to not leave his vehicle.

[Cigar]

...he's stupid because he did something that caused his own death...that's pretty stupid to me...I only wonder if he knew Zimmerman had a gun would he has still tried to kick his ass?...

First of all Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass, and kick his ass like he should and because he got his ass-kicked fair and square, Zimmy shot him. That's what pussies do after getting their ass kicked. I'm predicting Zimmy won't always be the only one with a Gun in the future.

[Mister D]

First of all Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass, and kick his ass like he should and because he got his ass-kicked fair and square, Zimmy shot him. That's what pussies do after getting their ass kicked. I'm predicting Zimmy won't always be the only one with a Gun in the future.

We know he has nothing to fear from you. You wouldn't have the balls to send him a nasty email. :smiley:

[Chris]

First of all Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass, and kick his ass like he should and because he got his ass-kicked fair and square, Zimmy shot him. That's what pussies do after getting their ass kicked. I'm predicting Zimmy won't always be the only one with a Gun in the future.

You would have made an excellent prosecution witness, like Jon Goodman, the chief investigator, Jeentell, etc, all who provided evidence against their case.

[Cigar]

Why are you making things up? He was never told to not leave his vehicle.

He was told by the dispatcher "he didn't need to follow the teen" ... that's on the record.

[Cigar]

You would have made an excellent prosecution witness, like Jon Goodman, the chief investigator, Jeentell, etc, all who provided evidence against their case.

It doesn't matter, the trail is over and Zimmy got away, and the deed has been done.

Now he's a Citizen ... not a Nightwatchman, but just your average Citizen ... Free and out in the open air with all the other Citizens.

[Chris]

He was told by the dispatcher "he didn't need to follow the teen" ... that's on the record.

That's a far cry from the fiction "being instructed not to leave it".

That was after he left his truck to see where T went, and before he agreed, "OK", and headed back to his vehicle, which is when as you put it "Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass".

[patrickt]

It's true. The lunch mob isn't giving up.
"Following the "not guilty" verdict against George Zimmerman, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) (http://www.adc.org/) sent an email to supporters announcing they have partnered with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) to pressure the Justice Department (DOJ) into "[opening] a civil rights case against George Zimmerman."http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/American-Arab-Group-NAACP-Ask-DOJ-To-Pursue-Civil-Rights-Charges-Against-Zimmerman

[Chris]

It doesn't matter, the trail is over and Zimmy got away, and the deed has been done.

Now he's a Citizen ... not a Nightwatchman, but just your average Citizen ... Free and out in the open air with all the other Citizens.

You're right, it doesn't matter, the trial is over, not guilty. So why all your bitching?

[Cigar]

That's a far cry from the fiction "being instructed not to leave it".

That was after he left his truck to see where T went, and before he agreed, "OK", and headed back to his vehicle, which is when as you put it "Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass".

I can see why he couldn't ever be a cop ... he had to leave his vehicle to read street signs and follow a what he called a suspect.

Now Zimmy got his ass-kick by the truck ... first it was in the grass ,,, then sidewalk, but Trayvons body was no what near a truck ...

WTF ... you guys will bend over for anything

[Cigar]

It's true. The lunch mob isn't giving up.
"Following the "not guilty" verdict against George Zimmerman, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) (http://www.adc.org/) sent an email to supporters announcing they have partnered with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) to pressure the Justice Department (DOJ) into "[opening] a civil rights case against George Zimmerman."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/American-Arab-Group-NAACP-Ask-DOJ-To-Pursue-Civil-Rights-Charges-Against-Zimmerman


Let this be a lesson ... the old days are long gone and gone forever.

People are not just gonna go away because you say so ... that crap don't fly anymore.

Zimmy is a Celebrity now and he will be recognized everywhere he goes until the day he dies.

[Chris]

I can see why he couldn't ever be a cop ... he had to leave his vehicle to read street signs and follow a what he called a suspect.

Now Zimmy got his ass-kick by the truck ... first it was in the grass ,,, then sidewalk, but Trayvons body was no what near a truck ...

WTF ... you guys will bend over for anything

Was that last line racist?

[Cigar]

Was that last line racist?



What "RACE" does bending over depict? :rollseyes:

[Chris]

What "RACE" does bending over depict? :rollseyes:

Good to hear you back off that "you guys" wasn't racist.

[Cigar]

Good to hear you back off that "you guys" wasn't racist.

You Guys means YOU GUYS ... I don't know what color YOU GUYS really are ...

[Chris]

You Guys means YOU GUYS ... I don't know what color YOU GUYS really are ...

OK, but in context it seemed racist.

[Cigar]

OK, but in context it seemed racist.

If you really knew who I am, based on who I spend most of my Working and Free time with, there's no way you'd be able to come to that conclusion reasonably.

[Chris]

If you really knew who I am, based on who I spend most of my Working and Free time with, there's no way you'd be able to come to that conclusion reasonably.

OK, I was wrong.

[RosieS]

One, Z didn't hunt T down, why make things up like jillian does?

Two, as to adderall, even your source disputes what you say:



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm085819.pdf doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.rxlist.com/adderall-drug.htm doesn't mention those side effects.

Nice try, rosie!

Sorry, Chris! Try looking deeply:

Psychosis and Violent BehaviorAdderall can trigger mild psychotic episodes in chronic Adderall users as well as in patients predisposed to certain psychological conditions. The Alliance for Human Research Protection explains that certain children may also develop symptoms of psychosis while using Adderall. Psychosis-related side effects reported by Adderall users include hallucinations, delusions, delirium and mania. Adderall may also cause aggressive behavior and hostility in some ADHD patients.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/140732-dangers-adderall/#ixzz2Z8kzaWhJ

Lance Armstrong's former site should know about drugs especially well. LOL

Regards from Rosie

[Chris]

Sorry, Chris! Try looking deeply:

Psychosis and Violent BehaviorAdderall can trigger mild psychotic episodes in chronic Adderall users as well as in patients predisposed to certain psychological conditions. The Alliance for Human Research Protection explains that certain children may also develop symptoms of psychosis while using Adderall. Psychosis-related side effects reported by Adderall users include hallucinations, delusions, delirium and mania. Adderall may also cause aggressive behavior and hostility in some ADHD patients.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/140732-dangers-adderall/#ixzz2Z8kzaWhJ

Lance Armstrong's former site should know about drugs especially well. LOL

Regards from Rosie

Sorry, but I prefer more expertise than livestrong.

But even that doesn't support your claim: " Adderall may also cause aggressive behavior and hostility in some ADHD patients." Miss that, leave it out for convenience?

Here's another example of misleading people about adderall: http://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/


Newsone exclusively reports:

According to the U.S. National Library of Medicine, the drug is also known to cause “aggressiveness” and “hallucinations,” among other problematic symptoms.

OK, so let's go to the U.S. National Library of Medicine, http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a684003.html, where aggressiveness is not mention as a side effect. However it does say this:


you should know that your mental health may change in unexpected ways while you are taking this medication. It is hard to tell if these changes are caused by temazepam or if they are caused by physical or mental illnesses that you already have or suddenly develop. Tell your doctor right away if you experience any of the following symptoms: aggressiveness, strange or unusually outgoing behavior, hallucinations (seeing things or hearing voices that do not exist), feeling as if you are outside of your body, memory problems, difficulty concentrating, new or worsening depression, thinking about killing yourself, confusion, and any other changes in your usual thoughts, mood, or behavior. Be sure that your family knows which symptoms may be serious so that they can call the doctor if you are unable to seek treatment on your own.

Newsone lied.

[RosieS]

Sorry, but I prefer more expertise than livestrong.

But even that doesn't support your claim: " Adderall may also cause aggressive behavior and hostility in some ADHD patients." Miss that, leave it out for convenience?

Here's another example of misleading people about adderall: http://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/



OK, so let's go to the U.S. National Library of Medicine, http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a684003.html, where aggressiveness is not mention as a side effect. However it does say this:



Newsone lied.

Did you miss in your Medline link above that aggressiveness is a side effect - regardless if it is settling off an underlying condition or is stand alone?

In Zimmerman's specific instance he was under the ongoing care of a psychologist and the Physician's Assistant told him he had to see his psychologist right away.

For no apparent reason or is the PA lying, too?

Egads, even.

Betcha those medical records will be VERY instructive to the Martin family civil trial attorneys.

You do know the Martins have $1.1 million from the Retreat at Twin Lakes HOA, right?

Regards from Rosie

[Adelaide]

...are you kidding?...their son was stupid and got killed, do you think they will let it go at not guilty?...hell no...

At a certain point, most families of victims of crime/murder do move on, although they never forget. I think they certainly want to move on, although it's a process, sometimes lengthy. I also think that often a guilty charge does very little to make them feel any better about what happened (even though they probably thought it would) because their family member is still dead and nothing makes up for that. I say this based on various investigative media that often focuses on murder cases (20/20, 60 minutes, so forth), documentaries, and literature (criminology) where they interview family members. It also makes sense to me as a victim of crime.

[jillian]

It's too bad these goons couldn't have just payed attention to the case and came to the same conclusion as the 6 members of the jury did and all other intelligent people did.

all? stop lying about that....

[Chris]

Did you miss in your Medline link above that aggressiveness is a side effect - regardless if it is settling off an underlying condition or is stand alone?

In Zimmerman's specific instance he was under the ongoing care of a psychologist and the Physician's Assistant told him he had to see his psychologist right away.

For no apparent reason or is the PA lying, too?

Egads, even.

Betcha those medical records will be VERY instructive to the Martin family civil trial attorneys.

You do know the Martins have $1.1 million from the Retreat at Twin Lakes HOA, right?

Regards from Rosie

I addressed that, rosie, I pointed out how you left out facts, the bolded part: "Adderall may also cause aggressive behavior and hostility in some ADHD patients."

Zimmerman's case is specific, not general. You're committing the fallacy of distribution, and completely ignoring "some" and "ADHD patients".

The rest of your speculative cheerleading is uninteresting.

[RosieS]

I addressed that, rosie, I pointed out how you left out facts, the bolded part: "Adderall may also cause aggressive behavior and hostility in some ADHD patients."

Zimmerman's case is specific, not general. You're committing the fallacy of distribution, and completely ignoring "some" and "ADHD patients".

The rest of your speculative cheerleading is uninteresting.

And you ignore that Zimmerman needed continuous psychological help. That seems to not be specific enuff for you, so your objection is spurious.

Your opinion is invalidated thereby.

Regards from Rosie

[Chris]

And you ignore that Zimmerman needed continuous psychological help. That seems to not be specific enuff for you, so your objection is spurious.

Your opinion is invalidated thereby.

Regards from Rosie

See, there you go again. It was recommended he see someone, you stretch that to 'Zimmerman needed continuous psychological help".

If ignoring facts invalidates, rosie, you're posts have met that fate.

[zelmo1234]

did the brown family move on after OJ was acquitted? no? they took everything he was worth. different standards of proof in a criminal and civil case.

that's exactly how it works.

but i have no doubt zimmerman will write a book about white victimhood, he'll be just fine.

Does he know someone that is white and is a victim of something? He seems to be Hispanic and looks Mexican to me?

[zelmo1234]

If you had a creepy guy following you at night ... what would you do?

Some guys run home to mama ...

Some guys run toward the creepy ...

Some guys standup for their ground ...

Something happened and something was said ... and someone got their ass-kicked for what they said.

And someone died for there tuff guy actions! So my question is was it worth it!

[zelmo1234]

First of all Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass, and kick his ass like he should and because he got his ass-kicked fair and square, Zimmy shot him. That's what pussies do after getting their ass kicked. I'm predicting Zimmy won't always be the only one with a Gun in the future.

So every time a white kid gets killed by a black guy the whites should take justice into their own hands? Is that what you are advocating

Some of the most dangerous gangs in the world are Hispanic and your buddy President Obama gave them a few thousand assault weapons to use against their enemies!

Is that what you think should be started? A little race war between blacks and Hispanics?

You words are dangerous! You know better.

[GrumpyDog]

The "shoot em dead now and explain it later" self defense method. Works well for whites/Hispanic caucasians shooting blacks, but for some reason does not work so well if the shooter is a black man. Or if the shooter is a black woman who has been beaten multiple times by her husband, and simply shoots off a warning shot, after which Sanford prosecuters are able to send her to prison for 20 years. Welcome to FD up State of Florida. FD up since Jeb Bush became the Governor, and continues to be FD up with the prevailing joke of a governor, Governor Scott.

[Mainecoons]

BS. Blacks shoot blacks so much it doesn't even make the news these days.

BS.

[Chris]

I think the stats I've seen is blacks tend to shoot other blacks and white tend to shoot themselves.

[Dr. Who]

One, Z didn't hunt T down, why make things up like jillian does?

Two, as to adderall, even your source disputes what you say:



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm085819.pdf doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html doesn't mention those side effects.

http://www.rxlist.com/adderall-drug.htm doesn't mention those side effects.

Nice try, rosie!

So in other words Zimmerman suffered from ADD and anxiety. That explains all the 911 calls.

[roadmaster]

So in other words Zimmerman suffered from ADD and anxiety. That explains all the 911 calls. Many do are you going to say he wanted to kill someone? The first thing he said at the police office was it was wrong to kill isn't it. I don't think he ever had plans to kill Tray.

[Dr. Who]

Many do are you going to say he wanted to kill someone? The first thing he said at the police office was it was wrong to kill isn't it. I don't think he ever had plans to kill Tray.I'm not suggesting he wanted to kill anyone. I only said he suffered from anxiety and it may explain why he called 911 so often. I have no idea whether the anxiety would have had an affect on his interaction with TM.

[roadmaster]

I'm not suggesting he wanted to kill anyone. I only said he suffered from anxiety and it may explain why he called 911 so often. I have no idea whether the anxiety would have had an affect on his interaction with TM. Or they had a lot of break-ins and he was tired of them always getting away. It took the police 20 minutes to arrive even after the shooting.

[Dr. Who]

Or they had a lot of break-ins and he was tired of them always getting away. It took the police 20 minutes to arrive even after the shooting.
Don't recall that any of the break-ins were at his place. I also don't recall that the rest of the neighborhood was as concerned as he was. I think his anxiety did have an affect on his behavior, at least in terms of calling 911 and his obvious concern that the police weren't getting there in time to apprehend anyone.

[Chris]

So in other words Zimmerman suffered from ADD and anxiety. That explains all the 911 calls.

No. In another thread rosie admits she has no clue about Z. Only that he was prescribed adderall, that's it. The rest of what rosie says is pure bs, nothing more.

Where you got anxiety who knows.

[roadmaster]

Don't recall that any of the break-ins were at his place. I also don't recall that the rest of the neighborhood was as concerned as he was. I think his anxiety did have an affect on his behavior, at least in terms of calling 911 and his obvious concern that the police weren't getting there in time to apprehend anyone. Two weeks prior eight teens broke into houses and were never caught. Neighbors said this, the police takes their time.

[Calypso Jones]

maybe you get anxiety from your wife being concerned about the large numbers of robberies in the neighborhood. With emphasis on the hood.

[roadmaster]

No. In another thread rosie admits she has no clue about Z. Only that he was prescribed adderall, that's it. The rest of what rosie says is pure bs, nothing more.

Where you got anxiety who knows. Adderall is prescribed to adults mostly while other forms are normally prescribed to the younger ones but some kids also take this.

[Chris]

Adderall is prescribed to adults mostly while other forms are normally prescribed to the younger ones but some kids also take this.

Right, and for many reasons. We can't know why Z was prescribed because that would violate HIPAA compliance.

[Dr. Who]

No. In another thread rosie admits she has no clue about Z. Only that he was prescribed adderall, that's it. The rest of what rosie says is pure bs, nothing more.

Where you got anxiety who knows.Rosie mentioned two drugs - Adderall treats ADD the other drug, Temazepam, treats anxiety (and hence also sleep disorders). http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57435247/george-zimmermans-head-wounds-after-trayvon-martin-shooting-likely-bolster-self-defense-claims/

[Kabuki Joe]

First of all Trayvon didn't try to kick Zimmy's ass ... he did kick Zimmy's ass, and kick his ass like he should and because he got his ass-kicked fair and square, Zimmy shot him. That's what pussies do after getting their ass kicked. I'm predicting Zimmy won't always be the only one with a Gun in the future.


...so all the hardcore gang bangers you brag about in Chicago are really pussies?...