Chris Christie: Rand Paul ‘dangerous

[Common]

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is ripping libertarians — including Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — for challenging government surveillance programs and failing to understand the dangers of terrorism.
“This strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought,” the New Jersey GOP governor said on Thursday at a Republican governors forum (http://www.aspeninstitute.org/events/2013/07/25/mccloskey-speaker-series-governors-aspen-what-s-working-state-level) in Aspen, Colo. “You can name any number of people and (Paul is) one of them.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/chris-christie-rand-paul-2016-election-94789.html#ixzz2aAMZR3g0

[Chris]

http://i.snag.gy/YPqV8.jpg

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Enough said.

[Chris]

Giving Up Liberty for Security: It's big government's favorite (bad) argument (http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/25/giving-up-liberty-for-security)


When Edward Snowden revealed that the federal government, in direct defiance of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, was unlawfully and unconstitutionally spying on all Americans who use telephones, text messaging or emails to communicate with other persons, he opened a Pandora's box of allegations and recriminations. The allegations he unleashed are that Americans have a government that assaults our personal freedoms, operates in secrecy and violates the Constitution and the values upon which it is based. The recriminations are that safety is a greater good than liberty, and Snowden interfered with the ability of the government to keep us safe by exposing its secrets, and so he should be silenced and punished.

In the course of this debate, you have heard the argument that we all need to sacrifice some liberty in order to assure our safety, that liberty and safety are in equipoise, and when they clash, it is the government that should balance one against the other and decide which shall prevail. This is, of course, an argument the government loves, as it presupposes that the government has the moral, legal and constitutional power to make this satanic bargain.

It doesn't....

What does this mean?

It means that when politicians say that liberty and safety need to be balanced against each other, they are philosophically, historically and constitutionally wrong. Liberty is the default position. Liberty is the essence of our natural state. Liberty cannot possibly be equal to a good we have instructed the government to obtain.

What is the only moral relationship between liberty and safety?

It cannot be balance, because liberty and safety are not equals, as one created the other. It can only be bias -- a continual predisposition toward and preference for freedom.

Every conceivable clash between the free choices of persons and their instructions to their government to safeguard freedom must favor the free choices because freedom is inalienable. Just as I cannot authorize the government to take away your freedom any more than you can authorize it to take away mine, a majority of all but one cannot authorize the government in a free society to take freedom from that one individual. So if somehow freedom and safety do clash, it is the free choice of each person to resolve that clash for himself, and not one the government can morally make.

...The reasons we have consented to limited government are to preserve the freedom to pursue happiness, the freedom to be different and the freedom to be left alone. None of these freedoms can exist if we are subservient to the government in the name of safety or anything else.

[Common]

The GOP primary is going to be very interesting, with Christie, Rubio, Cruz and Paul and about 4 other aspiring teatards.

[Matty]

The GOP primary is going to be very interesting, with Christie, Rubio, Cruz and Paul and about 4 other aspiring teatards.
teatards are much more intelligent than are libtards.

[Common]

teatards are much more intelligent than are libtards.

Thats a myth perpetrated by well um teatards lol

[jillian]

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is ripping libertarians — including Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — for challenging government surveillance programs and failing to understand the dangers of terrorism.
“This strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought,” the New Jersey GOP governor said on Thursday at a Republican governors forum (http://www.aspeninstitute.org/events/2013/07/25/mccloskey-speaker-series-governors-aspen-what-s-working-state-level) in Aspen, Colo. “You can name any number of people and (Paul is) one of them.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/chris-christie-rand-paul-2016-election-94789.html#ixzz2aAMZR3g0



He's right about rand paul if not the surveillance program. But if he gets through the primary (although I expect the wingers to eat him alive),he'll be president.

Just sayin

[Chris]

http://i.snag.gy/qkF3c.jpg

[Agravan]

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Benjamin_Franklin/), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

[Chris]

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.” ~Thomas Jefferson

[Agravan]

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson

[Common]

Theres going to be nothing calm about the GOP primary.

[Chris]

Elections have been like this since Jefferson's.

[Chris]

Chris Christie Attacks "This Strain of Libertarianism That's Going Through Both Parties Right Now" (http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/25/chris-christie-attacks-this-strain-of-li)


Yesterday the House voted on Justin Amash and John Conyers' amendment to defund the NSA's mass collection of American phone records. The measure failed, but it failed by a surprisingly narrow vote, and that margin is making some Republicans nervous. One of the nervous Republicans, to judge from Aaron Blake's report this evening in the Washington Post, is New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie...

<snip, it's in OP>

Blake notes that Christie "also praised the national security strategies of both President Obama and George W. Bush." You can add that to the evidence for something Glenn Greenwald wrote earlier today:


One of the worst myths Democratic partisans love to tell themselves—and everyone else—is that the GOP refuses to support President Obama no matter what he does. Like its close cousin—the massively deceitful inside-DC grievance that the two parties refuse to cooperate on anything—it's hard to overstate how false this Democratic myth is. When it comes to foreign policy, war, assassinations, drones, surveillance, secrecy, and civil liberties, President Obama's most stalwart, enthusiastic defenders are often found among the most radical precincts of the Republican Party.

The rabidly pro-war and anti-Muslim GOP former Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Peter King, has repeatedly lavished Obama with all sorts of praise and support for his policies in those areas. The Obama White House frequently needs, and receives, large amounts of GOP Congressional support to have its measures enacted or bills its dislikes defeated. The Obama DOJ often prevails before the US Supreme Court solely because the Roberts/Scalia/Thomas faction adopts its view while the Ginsburg/Sotomayor/Breyer faction rejects it.

The worst policies to come out of Washington tend to have bipartisan support. Here's hoping Amash/Conyers is a step toward a transpartisan opposition.

[zelmo1234]

Theres going to be nothing calm about the GOP primary.

You have a Primary yourself, and Hillary is going to be challenged! I see a lot of What Difference does it make in her future!

[roadmaster]

Thats a myth perpetrated by well um teatards lol Then have you been? What exactly does the Tea Party stand for?

[Mainecoons]

Chris Christie equals Obama ass kissing Republicrat.

FAIL

[roadmaster]

Chris Christie equals Obama ass kissing Republicrat.

FAIL A man more worried about the runners getting to run instead of caring for the ones of the hurricane. Willing to put them out on the streets of motel and hotel rooms for this and he wants our vote?

[zelmo1234]

Republicans have to realize that with our primary schedule Liberals / Progressives in the party have a lot of pull, because there primaries are early!

Christie And therefore has a chance to be the nominee of the party! He also has enough appeal to pull the non Clinton wing of the Democratic party away from the democrats, and this will off set people like myself that will not vote for a moderate!

So Jillian is right, if he wins the nomination he could be President!

And I can only see one upside to that and that will be spending. He will be very tuff on spending and balanced budgets!

[Chris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXSrpgUITbY

[jillian]

Republicans have to realize that with our primary schedule Liberals / Progressives in the party have a lot of pull, because there primaries are early!

Christie And therefore has a chance to be the nominee of the party! He also has enough appeal to pull the non Clinton wing of the Democratic party away from the democrats, and this will off set people like myself that will not vote for a moderate!

So Jillian is right, if he wins the nomination he could be President!

And I can only see one upside to that and that will be spending. He will be very tuff on spending and balanced budgets!

and he doesn't take garbage from the rabid right.

how cool is that?

[jillian]

A man more worried about the runners getting to run instead of caring for the ones of the hurricane. Willing to put them out on the streets of motel and hotel rooms for this and he wants our vote?

as usual, you have it backwards. he was the one who actually cared about his state.... unlike the wacko wingers.

[junie]

and he doesn't take garbage from the rabid right.

how cool is that?



lol wicked cool!