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Mr. Mensch
07-29-2013, 01:41 PM
Does President Obama dare take the latest version of his revive-the-economy-and-boost-the-middle-class speech to the poster city for the bankruptcy of his ideas: Detroit?
Don’t bet on it.
You don’t hear the president talking about Detroit. Maybe the reason Detroit is bankrupt today is because for decades it was governed, in large part, by the Obama playbook: Soak the rich, choke small businesses, and squeeze the middle class with high taxes (in the case of Detroit that included sky high property, commercial and industrial taxes).


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/29/why-obama-doesnt-dare-speak-about-detroit/#ixzz2aSfard8n

Obama DOES seem strangely quiet on this subject. Apparently he doesn't want to be reminded of how his approach to governing and the economy are doomed to failure.

Come on, Barry! Tell us again how great your ideas are.

jillian
07-29-2013, 01:43 PM
well if fauxnews makes it up, er...says it, it must be true. right?

Cigar
07-29-2013, 01:46 PM
Does President Obama dare take the latest version of his revive-the-economy-and-boost-the-middle-class speech to the poster city for the bankruptcy of his ideas: Detroit?
Don’t bet on it.
You don’t hear the president talking about Detroit. Maybe the reason Detroit is bankrupt today is because for decades it was governed, in large part, by the Obama playbook: Soak the rich, choke small businesses, and squeeze the middle class with high taxes (in the case of Detroit that included sky high property, commercial and industrial taxes).


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/29/why-obama-doesnt-dare-speak-about-detroit/#ixzz2aSfard8n

Obama DOES seem strangely quiet on this subject. Apparently he doesn't want to be reminded of how his approach to governing and the economy are doomed to failure.

Come on, Barry! Tell us again how great your ideas are.


Let me get this straight, The President of The United States caused Detroit to go bankrupt ... in 4 years and 6 months.

Let's just pretend everything was just fine before January 20th 2009. :laughing6:

Mainecoons
07-29-2013, 06:48 PM
well if fauxnews makes it up, er...says it, it must be true. right?

Why don't you share with us where the piece is wrong? I'm sure it will be interesting. :grin:

For example, please tell us why this is wrong and provide what you think is the correct data:


A study by the Lincoln Institute of Land Policy in 2011 found that Detroit had the highest property taxes among the 50 largest U.S. cities on homes, apartment buildings, commercial buildings, and industrial buildings.

Or this:


According to the Cato Institute’s Michael Tanner, “Fully 99.6% of [Detroit’s] retiree health-care liabilities are unfunded” and…“unfunded obligations account for $9.2 billion of Detroit’s $18 billion debt.”Shortly before President Obama delivered his nearly 8,000-word “economic success” speech at Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois last week (without once mentioning the word “Detroit”) Moody’s downgraded the credit rating of Obama’s home city of Chicago, Illinois by three notches. This was largely because Moody’s calculated Chicago’s unfunded liabilities at $36-billion—nearly double of what the Windy City reported.

Or this:


by the late 1970s federal grants paid the salaries of up to one-third of Detroit's workforce.”

We look forward to your usual rant. . . . er, incisive and fact supported analysis.

fyrenza
07-29-2013, 07:00 PM
Let me get this straight, The President of The United States caused Detroit to go bankrupt ... in 4 years and 6 months.

Let's just pretend everything was just fine before January 20th 2009. :laughing6:

Well, let's just see who was "in charge" of the city from, oh, say, 1962 until the present, shall we?



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Jerome Cavanagh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Cavanagh)
January 2, 1962 – January 5, 1970
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States))[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-mihistrev-6)


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Roman Gribbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Gribbs)
January 6, 1970 – January 1, 1974
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States))[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-mihistrev-6)


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Coleman Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_Young)
January 1, 1974 – January 3, 1994
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States))[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-mihistrev-6)



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Dennis Archer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Archer)
January 3, 1994 – December 31, 2001
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States))[101] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-usmn-101)



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Kwame Kilpatrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick)
January 1, 2002 – September 18, 2008
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States))[103] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytkk-103)
Kwame Kilpatrick is the son of former county commissioner Bernard Kilpatrick and former Michigan legislator and United States congresswoman Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Cheeks_Kilpatrick).[103] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytkk-103) The younger Kilpatrick began his political career by running for the Michigan House seat his mother vacated in 1996,[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-beatty-104) and was minority leader in the state house by 2001.[103] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytkk-103) Kilpatrick was twice elected mayor, but resigned office in 2008 after pleading guilty to two counts of felony obstruction of justice.[105] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytkk2-105)


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Kenneth Cockrel, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Cockrel,_Jr.)
September 18, 2008 – May 11, 2009
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)).[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing-106)
Ken Cockrel is the son of the late Kenneth Cockrel Sr., a civil rights activist and Detroit City Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_City_Council) member.[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-crain-107) The younger Cockrel also ran for city council, and was first elected in 1997.[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-crain-107) Cockrel was elected council president in 2005,[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-crain-107) and assumed the mayorship after Kwame Kilpatrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick)'s resignation in 2008.[108] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytkc-108)[109] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-foxkc-109) However, Cockrel lost the ensuing special election to Dave Bing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Bing), and returned to his seat on the city council.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing-106) Cockrel was re-elected to the city council later in the year.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-mlivekc-110)


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Dave Bing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Bing)
May 11, 2009 – present
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States))[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing-106)
Dave Bing played 10 seasons of basketball with the Detroit Pistons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Pistons) and was elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_Hall_of_Fame).[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing-106) After retiring from basketball, Bing started an auto parts manufacturing business, the Bing Group.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing-106)[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing2-111) He moved to Detroit specifically to run for mayor,[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing2-111) and won the special election in May 2009 to fill the remainder of Kwame Kilpatrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick)'s term,[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit#cite_note-nytbing-106) a



~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit

Chloe
07-29-2013, 07:04 PM
It would look bad for a democratic president to stand in front of the backdrop of a city that is in bankruptcy with no real plan for getting better that is being led by a democrat. I don't think any president would want that bad photo op.

patrickt
07-29-2013, 07:47 PM
well if fauxnews makes it up, er...says it, it must be true. right?

That's pitiful, Jillian. If you don't have anything to say why don't you just go back to watching MSNBC. You'll feel better.

Detroit is the logical consequence of decades of Democrat rule. Higher taxes for those who pay, plummeting tax collections because people leave, the economy tanks but that doesn't stop the liberals from borrowing money and spending more. Hey, guys, how's that hockey rink coming. And just think, these guys are so good that in the midst of disaster they whine about Zimmerman/Martin.

When President Obama says he wants to fundamentally change America...he means he'll turn the whole country into Detroit, or Chicago, or Oakland, or whatever liberal ghetto you want to pick.

So, Detroit, let's go shopping.

ptif219
07-29-2013, 09:30 PM
well if fauxnews makes it up, er...says it, it must be true. right?

prove them wrong

ptif219
07-29-2013, 09:31 PM
Let me get this straight, The President of The United States caused Detroit to go bankrupt ... in 4 years and 6 months.

Let's just pretend everything was just fine before January 20th 2009. :laughing6:

No but black democrats did

ptif219
07-29-2013, 09:32 PM
Let me get this straight, The President of The United States caused Detroit to go bankrupt ... in 4 years and 6 months.

Let's just pretend everything was just fine before January 20th 2009. :laughing6:

No but black democrats did over the years.

Agravan
07-29-2013, 09:34 PM
well if fauxnews makes it up, er...says it, it must be true. right?
No, it's only true when YOU make it up.

zelmo1234
07-29-2013, 09:38 PM
Let me get this straight, The President of The United States caused Detroit to go bankrupt ... in 4 years and 6 months.

Let's just pretend everything was just fine before January 20th 2009. :laughing6:

No he did claim to save the city of Detroit though? It took liberal democrats a little over 50 years to bankrupt the city! And NOW they want to tax the rest of the State to bail them out!

Because they really don't want to change the things that got them into this situation!

fyrenza
07-29-2013, 09:59 PM
@zelmo ~ THAT's the horrifying part of it ~

instead of falling back, regrouping and rethinking everything, they just want more, More, MOAR from everyone ELSE.

Mainecoons
07-29-2013, 09:59 PM
Well, I'm checking back hoping to read Jillian's brilliant and fact-filled rebuttal of the stuff cited in the Fox News report, and it still isn't here.

I guess it is taking her a while to write it.

That's OK, I'm patient. I'll check back in 5 years or so.

:grin:

Mr. Mensch
07-30-2013, 07:37 AM
Let me get this straight, The President of The United States caused Detroit to go bankrupt ... in 4 years and 6 months.

Let's just pretend everything was just fine before January 20th 2009. :laughing6:

No, Obama is not talented enough to do that. But his model for how he believes this country should be run is the main reason that Detroit is in such dire straits. Which is why he is not giving the situation much attention.

patrickt
07-30-2013, 08:05 AM
No but black democrats did over the years.

Do be fair, white Democrats could do it just as fast. And, still being fair, using the new NYT racist classifications, some of the Democrat leaders in Detroit were blacks but some were white blacks. One might have been white white black and another white black black. If you're confused, check with the NYT. But, they were all liberal Democrats.

ptif219
07-30-2013, 09:38 AM
Do be fair, white Democrats could do it just as fast. And, still being fair, using the new NYT racist classifications, some of the Democrat leaders in Detroit were blacks but some were white blacks. One might have been white white black and another white black black. If you're confused, check with the NYT. But, they were all liberal Democrats.

Stop giving them a pass

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/01/us/coleman-a-young-79-mayor-of-detroit-and-political-symbol-for-blacks-is-dead.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm