Why Almost All Rural White's are In Poverty

[Cigar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHouCKt7Ps&feature=player_embedded

Carlos L. Curbelo, Candidate for Congress (R-FL), joins Thom Hartmann. A new study shows that Republican policies have been disastrous for rural white America. So - is the GOP ready to apologize to the people who've made up its base for the past 40 plus years?

Great Back-n-Forth ...

One thing about arguing with Tom Hartman ... you better have your historical facts. :grin:

[Cigar]

Mr D must be busy doing a Fly-By over his favorite place Chicago, looking for Corn Fields. :laugh:

[zelmo1234]

I have a question?

How do you create wealth from the bottom up?

The legislations that he is looking for is the Equity in Housing act Signed By Carter and the teeth through the affordable housing act signed by Clinton!

These were the reasons that the wealth was lost? And this happened since Obama has been President!

the reason that wealth shifted is because the wealthy bought everything that the poor and middle class lost at fire sale prices

[waltky]

Poverty inequality...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_omg.gif
Senator: ‘Poverty Is Unevenly Spread Across States and Districts’
June 9, 2016 – Poverty “unevenly spread” in the United States is one of the reasons that schools in this country aren’t diverse enough, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Ct.) said at a briefing on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.


“Poverty is unevenly spread across states and districts. It’s more concentrated in specific schools,” Murphy said, “and students, especially black students, are more likely than anyone else to attend high poverty schools. “The American public education system is deeply, deeply segregated with more than 70 percent of low-income students attending schools where most of the other students are low-income,” Murphy said. Murphy spoke about the Obama administration’s efforts to make public schools more diverse, including $120 million included in the president’s 2017 budget for grants to achieve that goal. The Stronger Together grants program “would encourage the development of innovative, ambitious plans to increase socioeconomic diversity through voluntary, community-supported strategies, and expand existing efforts in States and communities,” the Department of Education stated in its explanation of the president’s budget.

It was explained at the briefing that the Obama administration’s diversity agenda would be promoted through three federal agencies – the Department of Education, Housing and Urban Development and the Transportation Department. Secretaries John King, Julian Castro and Anthony Foxx, respectively, sent a “Dear Colleagues” letter asking school districts to voluntarily support their efforts. “We recognize that a growing body of research supports the benefits of socioeconomic and racial diversity in schools and communities, and that such diversity can help establish access points for opportunity and mobility,” the letter stated. “We also recognize that children raised in concentrated poverty or in communities segregated by socioeconomic status or race or ethnicity have significantly lower social and economic mobility than those growing up in integrated communities.

“Rising economic segregation means that an increasing number of low-income households are located in distressed neighborhoods where they face challenges such as failing schools, high rates of crime, and inadequate access to services and jobs, making it harder for individuals and families to escape poverty,” the letter stated. “In addition, sprawling urban development patterns correlate with decreased economic opportunity and social mobility. “Today, our agencies are calling on local education, transportation, and housing leaders to work together on issues at the intersection of our respective missions in helping to guarantee full access of opportunity across the country,” the letter stated. “There’s no more important topic in America today than to talk about the continued social and racial segregation of our schools,” Murphy said. Murphy said he was introducing legislation in the Senate to support Obama’s Stronger Together program and that Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio) is introducing a companion bill in the House.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/dem-senator-diversity-public-schools-poverty-unevenly-spread-across-states

See also:

6 of Top 10 Counties for Highest Weekly Wages Are in S.F. and D.C. Areas
June 8, 2016 | When the 342 counties in the United States that have 75,000 jobs or more are ranked by average weekly wage, the Top 10 includes three counties in the San Francisco Bay Area, three in the Washington, D.C. area and three in the New York City area, according to the latest County Employment and Wages report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


Suffolk County, Mass., which includes Boston, is also in the top ten. Two counties at the heart of Silicon Valley--Santa Clara and San Mateo—ranked No. 1 and No. 3 respectively. They bracketed New York County (Manhattan), which ranked No. 2. In No. 1 Santa Clara County, the average weekly wage in the fourth quarter of 2015 was $2,335, according to the report. In No. 2 New York, it was $2,235; and in No. 3 San Mateo, it was $2,095. Nationally, the BLS reported, the average weekly wage was $1,082 in the fourth quarter of 2015, an increase of 4.4 percent for the year.

Santa Clara not only ranked as the No. 1 county for its average weekly wage but also No. 1 for the dollar-amount increase ($198) in its average weekly wage from the fourth quarter of 2014 to the fourth quarter of 2015.


http://www.cnsnews.com/s3/files/styles/content_100p/s3/chart-final-top_ten_large_counties_by_average_weekly_wage.jpg? itok=MqwLO3Ea

The City and County of San Francisco ranked fourth in the nation for average weekly wage in the fourth quarter of 2015 ($1,961)—but only third in the Bay Area after Santa Clara and San Mateo.

Suffolk County, Mass., ranked fifth ($1,943)

Washington, D.C. itself—which the report treats as a county—ranked sixth ($1,756).

Fairfield County, Conn., ranked seventh ($1,735)

Arlington County, Va.--just across the Potomac River from D.C.--ranked eighth ($1,686)

Fairfax County, Va.—another Northern Virginia suburb of Washington, D.C.--ranked ninth ($1,618).

Morris County, N.J., ranked tenth ($1,601)

MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/6-top-10-large-counties-weekly-wages-sf-and-dc-areas)

[Captain Obvious]

Different reason why urban blacks live in poverty also but have astronomically higher rates of crime.

[Mac-7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHouCKt7Ps&feature=player_embedded

Carlos L. Curbelo, Candidate for Congress (R-FL), joins Thom Hartmann. A new study shows that Republican policies have been disastrous for rural white America. So - is the GOP ready to apologize to the people who've made up its base for the past 40 plus years?

Great Back-n-Forth ...

One thing about arguing with Tom Hartman ... you better have your historical facts. :grin:


Ooooh!

Cigar is impressed cause he thinks the liberal gave a real beatdown to the republican candidate for congress.

but I dont agree

the liberal insists that its all reagans fault because of trickledown tax cuts but was not very convincing.

simply being a bully is not a convincing arguement.

but he - the liberal - did say something that i agree with when he said that good manufacturing jobs have been replaced by low paying service jobs.

that is the nub of America's economic malaise today.

[donttread]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHouCKt7Ps&feature=player_embedded

Carlos L. Curbelo, Candidate for Congress (R-FL), joins Thom Hartmann. A new study shows that Republican policies have been disastrous for rural white America. So - is the GOP ready to apologize to the people who've made up its base for the past 40 plus years?

Great Back-n-Forth ...

One thing about arguing with Tom Hartman ... you better have your historical facts. :grin:

Or could it be that our urban centered economy manages to let most industries be run my market manipulating megacorps , while keeping the price of building materials, power and food artifically low?

[Mac-7]

Or could it be that our urban centered economy manages to let most industries be run my market manipulating megacorps , while keeping the price of building materials, power and food artifically low?

Except that the price of those products are not artifically low.

if anything government taxes and regulation drive prices up.

[donttread]

Except that the price of those products are not artifically low.

if anything government taxes and regulation drive prices up.

Keeping too many farmers in business through subsidies keeps prices down

[Truth Detector]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHouCKt7Ps&feature=player_embedded

Carlos L. Curbelo, Candidate for Congress (R-FL), joins Thom Hartmann. A new study shows that Republican policies have been disastrous for rural white America. So - is the GOP ready to apologize to the people who've made up its base for the past 40 plus years?

Great Back-n-Forth ...

One thing about arguing with Tom Hartman ... you better have your historical facts. :grin:

LMFAO; just when I think the left can't get any more retarded, Ceeeegar lowers the bar once again. Damned funny bullschit there dude! :biglaugh:

[Truth Detector]

I have a question?

How do you create wealth from the bottom up?

The legislations that he is looking for is the Equity in Housing act Signed By Carter and the teeth through the affordable housing act signed by Clinton!

These were the reasons that the wealth was lost? And this happened since Obama has been President!

the reason that wealth shifted is because the wealthy bought everything that the poor and middle class lost at fire sale prices

You don't; but when you're an economically clueless dunce like Obama or a leftist, you actually believe the bullschit that comes out of the leftist media.

[zelmo1234]

Well the Good news is Hillary Promised to put Bill in charge of reviving the Economy because he knows how to do it.

And the way that Bill did it? Is Reaganomics

So Help is on the way.

But what I really get a Kick out of, is we have been under Tax and spend for nearly 8 years and the economy is falling apart. But it is Reagans fault? Even though the economy was booming under Reagan and Clinton

[Truth Detector]

Or could it be that our urban centered economy manages to let most industries be run my market manipulating megacorps , while keeping the price of building materials, power and food artifically low?

This post suggests an economic ignorance of the same magnitude as ObamaTard's. Good lord dude, go back to school already. If the "Megacorps" are manipulating all the markets, why would building materials, power and food be "artificially low"? And how are "low" prices a bad thing? :biglaugh: DERP

[Common]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHouCKt7Ps&feature=player_embedded

Carlos L. Curbelo, Candidate for Congress (R-FL), joins Thom Hartmann. A new study shows that Republican policies have been disastrous for rural white America. So - is the GOP ready to apologize to the people who've made up its base for the past 40 plus years?

Great Back-n-Forth ...

One thing about arguing with Tom Hartman ... you better have your historical facts. :grin:


If you will stop trolling me I will stop trolling you. CHoice is now yours.

I agree the republican agenda has been bad for all middle class working americans and the working poor.
Republicans need to think about this. Trump, Donald Trump trounced totally utter trounced 16 more conservative candidates. The MOST right conservatives were the most rejected by republican voters. Rick Perry , Scott Walker, Rand Paul and it goes on from there.

Every so called conservative, needs to ask themselves why did this happen. It happened because the conservative congress and house had an agenda that was designed and for only the richest americans. At the expense of the working class.

Paul Ryans blatant rich man budget proposals STUCK with many americans. He called for a 35% reduction in taxs for the rich. Then included a plan to dismantle social security.

How could republicans say they needed MORE TAX CUTS less regulation to enhance outsourcing, back subsidies for mega rich corporations. Then say we cant afford or sustain, Social Security, Medicare , or food stamps, for those who jobs were outsourced, we cant afford to extend unemployment because it keeps people from working. WORKING WHERE In china or mexico? they dont allow illegal immigrants.

The republican party has been full of shit for 8 yrs but the liberal left has gone insane, what a choice independent moderates have to choose from

[zelmo1234]

If you will stop trolling me I will stop trolling you. CHoice is now yours.

I agree the republican agenda has been bad for all middle class working americans and the working poor.
Republicans need to think about this. Trump, Donald Trump trounced totally utter trounced 16 more conservative candidates. The MOST right conservatives were the most rejected by republican voters. Rick Perry , Scott Walker, Rand Paul and it goes on from there.

Every so called conservative, needs to ask themselves why did this happen. It happened because the conservative congress and house had an agenda that was designed and for only the richest americans. At the expense of the working class.

Paul Ryans blatant rich man budget proposals STUCK with many americans. He called for a 35% reduction in taxs for the rich. Then included a plan to dismantle social security.

How could republicans say they needed MORE TAX CUTS less regulation to enhance outsourcing, back subsidies for mega rich corporations. Then say we cant afford or sustain, Social Security, Medicare , or food stamps, for those who jobs were outsourced, we cant afford to extend unemployment because it keeps people from working. WORKING WHERE In china or mexico? they dont allow illegal immigrants.

The republican party has been full of $#@! for 8 yrs but the liberal left has gone insane, what a choice independent moderates have to choose from

Trumps plan calls for tax cuts as well

We need to face some facts 50% of the can no longer get a tax cut because they don't pay Federal income taxes.

Revenue ALWAYS increased when taxes and spending are Cut, Always.

And jobs are not going to come back to the USA, when we have the Highest Corporate Tax rate in the world, Highest Wages and Benefits, and most Regulations.

And last Ryan's plan is to allow people to invest their own money and end the SS system that is Insolvent and will not even be able to pay it's bills in the next decade.

All these are good things.

The Middle class, is suffering under Obama, not Reagan

[Mac-7]

Keeping too many farmers in business through subsidies keeps prices down

No it doesnt

it may keep more farmers in farming and it may ensure a domestic instead of imported supply.

Which is something everyone should approve of.

[Mac-7]

If you will stop trolling me I will stop trolling you. CHoice is now yours.

I agree the republican agenda has been bad for all middle class working americans and the working poor.
Republicans need to think about this. Trump, Donald Trump trounced totally utter trounced 16 more conservative candidates. The MOST right conservatives were the most rejected by republican voters. Rick Perry , Scott Walker, Rand Paul and it goes on from there.

Every so called conservative, needs to ask themselves why did this happen. It happened because the conservative congress and house had an agenda that was designed and for only the richest americans. At the expense of the working class.

Paul Ryans blatant rich man budget proposals STUCK with many americans. He called for a 35% reduction in taxs for the rich. Then included a plan to dismantle social security.

How could republicans say they needed MORE TAX CUTS less regulation to enhance outsourcing, back subsidies for mega rich corporations. Then say we cant afford or sustain, Social Security, Medicare , or food stamps, for those who jobs were outsourced, we cant afford to extend unemployment because it keeps people from working. WORKING WHERE In china or mexico? they dont allow illegal immigrants.

The republican party has been full of $#@! for 8 yrs but the liberal left has gone insane, what a choice independent moderates have to choose from

How is cutting taxes on the rich bad for the middle class?

[Truth Detector]

How is cutting taxes on the rich bad for the middle class?

Many gullible fools still believe that this country has a REVENUE problem and not a SPENDING problem. These same people also foolishly think that corporations actually pay taxes; but those with half a brain know they are only tax collectors and that we, the sheeple, are the one's paying the taxes.

[Cigar]

Must be a slow day for you boys ... reaching into the archives to find something to piss and moan about.

[Mac-7]

Many gullible fools still believe that this country has a REVENUE problem and not a SPENDING problem. These same people also foolishly think that corporations actually pay taxes; but those with half a brain know they are only tax collectors and that we, the sheeple, are the one's paying the taxes.

I completely agree.

liberals sem to think that if they could just tax successful people more - much more - they would have enough revenue to give to the unsuccessful a comfortable life.

[Common]

Trumps plan calls for tax cuts as well

We need to face some facts 50% of the can no longer get a tax cut because they don't pay Federal income taxes.

Revenue ALWAYS increased when taxes and spending are Cut, Always.

And jobs are not going to come back to the USA, when we have the Highest Corporate Tax rate in the world, Highest Wages and Benefits, and most Regulations.

And last Ryan's plan is to allow people to invest their own money and end the SS system that is Insolvent and will not even be able to pay it's bills in the next decade.

All these are good things.

The Middle class, is suffering under Obama, not Reagan

sigh zelmo my friend how many times do I have to tell you this.

Social security includes medicare

Chris Christy put in a group of his friends to administer New Jerseys pension fund. It was just reported that last year along they took 750,000,000 as payment. The fund is 59 billion underfunded because the PIG wont put money in it. How do I know this i have a daugher and two son in laws in the pension.

[Truth Detector]

I completely agree.

liberals sem to think that if they could just tax successful people more - much more - they would have enough revenue to give to the unsuccessful a comfortable life.

As Margaret Thatcher once famously stated: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. "

Another great quote from her: "If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn't swim. "

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/margaret_thatcher.html

[Mac-7]

As Margaret Thatcher once famously stated: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. "

Another great quote from her: "If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn't swim. "

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/margaret_thatcher.html

She was the last good brit

[Mac-7]

Btw: the headline is false

Most rural whites are not living in poverty

[Subdermal]

I thank Stogie for shattering the myth that poverty causes crime, thus stripping away the excuse that black liberals have used for inner city crime for decades.

Oops.

[donttread]

This post suggests an economic ignorance of the same magnitude as ObamaTard's. Good lord dude, go back to school already. If the "Megacorps" are manipulating all the markets, why would building materials, power and food be "artificially low"? And how are "low" prices a bad thing? :biglaugh: DERP


The commodities procuded in rural areas either remain in somewhat free competitive markets or government controled markets, such as food. Through subsidies for example keeping more farmers than we really need in business and prices down, while the individual farmer often stuggles. Energy prices are highly regulated even as Wall Street, Banking, Finance etc which are set up to make almost unlimited earnings while manipulating markets rather than competing in them. For example I believe it was Citi Bank who around the time they were bailed out were holding millions of gallons of crude until the price went up.
Surely someone as smart as you must see at least some of these differences? For example big oil is not a price competitve market , and has players big enough to buy influence and manipulate whole markets allowing them to pretty much price fix.
Now imagine if we could charge price fix what the electricity, food and building materials we ship to the cities. I'd include water but I'm pretty sure they just steal that.
You see I went "back to school " 25 years ago after realizing that most of what I thought I knew about our government and economy was propagada. I had to unlearn all that before I could re-educate myself and I've learned enough to know that if I actually did "go back to school " today all I would learn is how to be a good subject instead of a good citizen.
Another example, remember the megacorps that were on the verge of collaspse and "too big to fail" but really weren't, when they got bailed out? The banks who government propaganda went so far as to say that the WORLD economy depended upon the government bailing them out, but that wasn't really true?
Forget everything you think you know about government policy and information. About the sham concept of "two major parties" . About WMD's and interventions being based upon "human rights".
It's sort of like sobering up, the further you get away from the lies and justifications the more clear what the real problem is becomes.
Or you can continue to back "A" or B: at all cost, the choice is yours. But eventually they will take that choice from you.

[birddog]

Btw: the headline is false

Most rural whites are not living in poverty

I'm rural white, and I'm not in poverty. Many others are white farmers with millions in assets.

[Mac-7]

I'm rural white, and I'm not in poverty. Many others are white farmers with millions in assets.

Just as with black people in the hood there are a lot of lazy whites who are poor by choice.

they would rather do drugs and collect welfare than work

but there is always economic oppertunity available for those who want it

[Mac-7]

The commodities procuded in rural areas either remain in somewhat free competitive markets or government controled markets, such as food. Through subsidies for example keeping more farmers than we really need in business and prices down, while the individual farmer often stuggles. Energy prices are highly regulated even as Wall Street, Banking, Finance etc which are set up to make almost unlimited earnings while manipulating markets rather than competing in them. For example I believe it was Citi Bank who around the time they were bailed out were holding millions of gallons of crude until the price went up.
Surely someone as smart as you must see at least some of these differences? For example big oil is not a price competitve market , and has players big enough to buy influence and manipulate whole markets allowing them to pretty much price fix.
Now imagine if we could charge price fix what the electricity, food and building materials we ship to the cities. I'd include water but I'm pretty sure they just steal that.
You see I went "back to school " 25 years ago after realizing that most of what I thought I knew about our government and economy was propagada. I had to unlearn all that before I could re-educate myself and I've learned enough to know that if I actually did "go back to school " today all I would learn is how to be a good subject instead of a good citizen.
Another example, remember the megacorps that were on the verge of collaspse and "too big to fail" but really weren't, when they got bailed out? The banks who government propaganda went so far as to say that the WORLD economy depended upon the government bailing them out, but that wasn't really true?
Forget everything you think you know about government policy and information. About the sham concept of "two major parties" . About WMD's and interventions being based upon "human rights".
It's sort of like sobering up, the further you get away from the lies and justifications the more clear what the real problem is becomes.
Or you can continue to back "A" or B: at all cost, the choice is yours. But eventually they will take that choice from you.

I just realized that Donttread has no idea what he is talking about.

all he's doing is throwing together angry buzzwords and hoping something sticks.

but I do share his anger at what a mess washington has made of this once great country.

So he is not entirely wrong all the time.

[birddog]

Just as with black people in the hood there are a lot of lazy whites who are poor by choice.

they would rather do drugs and collect welfare than work

but there is always economic oppertunity available for those who want it


True, we have those too. There are black 'N"s, white "N"s, and brown "N"s!

[donttread]

Different reason why urban blacks live in poverty also but have astronomically higher rates of crime.


"Redneck " and "Hillbillies" should be protected classes. I kind of are one but I never got the meth thing. Who wants to be jacked the fuck up all the time. In my parting days mellow was where I wanted to get

[Mac-7]

"Redneck " and "Hillbillies" should be protected classes. I kind of are one but I never got the meth thing. Who wants to be jacked the $#@! up all the time. In my parting days mellow was where I wanted to get

Methheads are worse than vampires

[krypto]

http://www.youtube.com.https.s32.wbprx.com/watch?v=nLHouCKt7Ps&feature=player_embedded

Carlos L. Curbelo, Candidate for Congress (R-FL), joins Thom Hartmann. A new study shows that Republican policies have been disastrous for rural white America. So - is the GOP ready to apologize to the people who've made up its base for the past 40 plus years?

Great Back-n-Forth ...

One thing about arguing with Tom Hartman ... you better have your historical facts. :grin:


Probably because there isn't a lot of work out in rural land. And that family farms have been overtaken by corporate farms doesn't help.

[Mac-7]

Probably because there isn't a lot of work out in rural land. And that family farms have been overtaken by corporate farms doesn't help.

There is always work.

but methheads are too busy getting high for that

[donttread]

I just realized that Donttread has no idea what he is talking about.

all he's doing is throwing together angry buzzwords and hoping something sticks.

but I do share his anger at what a mess washington has made of this once great country.

So he is not entirely wrong all the time.

If I was "just throwing together " angry buzz words my post would be short and disjointed kinda like....... yours.