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Conley
12-30-2011, 10:19 PM
I was reading about the Kitty Hawk and came across this, never heard of it and thought it interesting:

The USS Kitty Hawk riot, sometimes called the Kitty Hawk mutiny, was a race riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riot) which took place on the United States Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy) aircraft carrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) Kitty Hawk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kitty_Hawk_(CV-63)) on the night of 11/12 October 1972, off the coast ofVietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam) during Operation Linebacker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker). Many crewmen were injured, but Kitty Hawk participated in Linebacker as assigned.

Approximately 100–200 black Kitty Hawk crewmen rioted as a response to perceived grievances against the Navy and the officers of Kitty Hawk, which appeared to represent institutionalized racism on the ship. One such grievance was the belief that black crewmen were routinely assigned to menial or degrading duties. Black crewmen also believed that white crewmen received milder non-judicial punishments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonjudicial_punishment) than black sailors for the same offenses. In addition, there was lingering resentment from a racially-charged brawl involving Kitty Hawk sailors in the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines) shortly before the ship left port.

During the riot, black sailors assaulted and injured a number of white crewmen. Three had to be evacuated to shore hospitals for further treatment. Forty-five to 60 Kitty Hawk crewmen were injured in total. The carrier's commander—Captain Marland Townsend—and executive officer—Commander Benjamin Cloud—dissuaded the rioters from further violence and prevented white sailors from retaliating. This allowed the carrier to launch her Linebacker air missions as scheduled on the morning of 12 October. Nineteen of the rioters were later found guilty by the Navy of at least one charge connected to the riot.

The incident was publicized in The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times). Subsequent racial unrest on Kitty Hawk′s sister ship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_ship) Constellation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_(CV-64)) sparked Congressional hearings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_hearing) to examine race relations in the Navy and policies and programs instituted by Navy leaders to deal with racial issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kitty_Hawk_riot

Mister D
12-30-2011, 10:30 PM
Interesting. I never heard about that. Funny, they would have been shot in the 1940s.

Conley
12-30-2011, 10:41 PM
I'm impressed they still completed their mission during Operation Linebacker.

Mister D
12-30-2011, 11:17 PM
You gotta love the code names they gave some of these operations. :cool2:

Conley
12-30-2011, 11:19 PM
Heck yeah, if we'd had Butkis there the VC would have all been concussed! :shocked:

MMC
12-31-2011, 05:30 AM
In truth there are incidents of racial conflict in all of our Armed Services. I don't know about the Coast Guard. Even on the ground and in conflict within battle.

Also there is the divide betwen those from the City and those from the Country. Which may not be over Racism but is over people from different lifestyles and upbringings.

IMO the human condition is to go with what we know and are more comfortable with. Living with those whom are like ourselves and have more in common with each other. Not counting aspects of the socialites or loners.

In Nam it was prevalent all over the place. Yet.....watch how fast those divides are dropped over a common enemy. One who is not an American. I seen guys who hated each others guts and over just the color of their skin. Come together or were forced to come together in order to survive. It's not so much the fact of coming together. It is the aspect of how fast all those preconceived notions of each other were dismissed or forgtotten. Let go!

Thats not to say once out of such a condition they did not go back to what they were doing before. yet those barriers set up by their ownselves were removed in hanging with their own. All due to both fighting side by side, in the shit and coming back together from it! I always called it Warrior Respect-Battle Brothers!

Conley
12-31-2011, 02:02 PM
I doubt doubt it MMC. Going through something like you would develop a bond that would transcend all else.

MMC
12-31-2011, 02:30 PM
Actually such exist in the street life to. As well as with the Gang module!

amazin
12-31-2011, 03:07 PM
Blacks been mistreated for years.

MMC
12-31-2011, 03:12 PM
I am quite sure they are not the only race that can make that claim.....:wink:

amazin
12-31-2011, 04:34 PM
I am quite sure they are not the only race that can make that claim.....:wink:

That is true.

Ever see Glory?

Mister D
12-31-2011, 04:43 PM
That is true.

Ever see Glory?

Glory was a good film. Some silly scenes but it was otherwise enjoyable.

Conley
12-31-2011, 04:45 PM
Was it at least mostly historically accurate?

Mister D
12-31-2011, 04:52 PM
Was it at least mostly historically accurate?

I don't think the combat scenes were particularly accurate but otherwise, yes. Just my opinion though.

MMC
12-31-2011, 05:20 PM
I agree with D.....not when it comes to the Story bout Washington and Freeman. But the Where and how they got up there. All that was historically accurate..

Although.....we know from the Sumerians and the very first writings that slavery had been going on from the beginning.

Mister D
12-31-2011, 05:43 PM
Slavery is an ancient institution and a very widespread one at that.