My thoughts on racism

[Boris The Animal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_racial_epithets

Folks, this thread reflects my personal viewpoints on race relations and racism.


I am about as Conservative as they come and I abhor both personal and institutional racism. I consider racism to be degrading, humiliating, and a cancer that has infected the human race since the Dawn of Creation. Now, As it relates to the US. We made considerable strides over the two plus centuries we have been in existence, but needless to say, President Barack Obama, who promised to reunify the country, has done just the opposite and it breaks my heart. Race relations, in my opinion, have degraded to such a degree that even normally civilized people have gone off the deep end, especially in light of the George Zimmerman verdict. My thinking is this. We have to get past skin color, past culture, and past history if we are to unite as a country.

[Dr. Who]

We have to get past skin color, past culture, and past history if we are to unite as a country. I totally agree.

[jillian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_racial_epithets

Folks, this thread reflects my personal viewpoints on race relations and racism.


I am about as Conservative as they come and I abhor both personal and institutional racism. I consider racism to be degrading, humiliating, and a cancer that has infected the human race since the Dawn of Creation. Now, As it relates to the US. We made considerable strides over the two plus centuries we have been in existence, but needless to say, President Barack Obama, who promised to reunify the country, has done just the opposite and it breaks my heart. Race relations, in my opinion, have degraded to such a degree that even normally civilized people have gone off the deep end, especially in light of the George Zimmerman verdict. My thinking is this. We have to get past skin color, past culture, and past history if we are to unite as a country.

er... no. the president has NOT divided the country racially. racists have.

and supporting zimmerman's stalking and killing an unarmed young man, and disparaging the memory of that young man, without any thought to what trivializing black life would look like to those who aren't racially insensitive, is intensifying the racial divide

and while i applaud your sentiment, you need to take a breath and put yourself in the other guys' shoes... before you pontificate about how the president widened racial divisions. (you do understand that even a statement like that is intended to pretty much alienate everyone who isn't an old white person, right?)

[Agravan]

One of the first things we need to do is to drop the "hyphenated-American" bullshit.
we are either American (one word) or we're not.

President Theodore Roosevelt (http://www.amazon.com/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt/ref=wp_la_11) - 1915
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."

[Boris The Animal]

er... no. the president has NOT divided the country racially. racists have.

and supporting zimmerman's stalking and killing an unarmed young man, and disparaging the memory of that young man, without any thought to what trivializing black life would look like to those who aren't racially insensitive, is intensifying the racial divide

and while i applaud your sentiment, you need to take a breath and put yourself in the other guys' shoes... before you pontificate about how the president widened racial divisions. (you do understand that even a statement like that is intended to pretty much alienate everyone who isn't an old white person, right?)No, that's where you are dead wrong again. Allow me to explain. The Democrat party have always been masters at identity politics, pandering to this group or that group, and I think the GOP should have never tried to emulate that. This is why, IMHO, Reagan was so successful in conveying Conservatism. Because when he spoke, he spoke to ALL Americans. Not this group or that group. Sorry, but to me, Obama is a divider.

[Agravan]

er... no. the president has NOT divided the country racially. racists have.

and supporting zimmerman's stalking and killing an unarmed young man, and disparaging the memory of that young man, without any thought to what trivializing black life would look like to those who aren't racially insensitive, is intensifying the racial divide

and while i applaud your sentiment, you need to take a breath and put yourself in the other guys' shoes... before you pontificate about how the president widened racial divisions. (you do understand that even a statement like that is intended to pretty much alienate everyone who isn't an old white person, right?)

^^^^^^^^^
This is the problem dividing America. People like the poster above who sees nothing but skin colors and constantly projects her racism on everyone else.

[Boris The Animal]

one of the first things we need to do is to drop the "hyphenated-american" bullshit.
We are either american (one word) or we're not.

president theodore roosevelt (http://www.amazon.com/wiki/theodore_roosevelt/ref=wp_la_11) - 1915
"there is no room in this country for hyphenated americanism. When i refer to hyphenated americans, i do not refer to naturalized americans. Some of the very best americans i have ever known were naturalized americans, americans born abroad. But a hyphenated american is not an american at all … the one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of german-americans, irish-americans, english-americans, french-americans, scandinavian-americans or italian-americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the american republic … there is no such thing as a hyphenated american who is a good american. The only man who is a good american is the man who is an american and nothing else."



^^^this!!

[Chloe]

One of the first things we need to do is to drop the "hyphenated-American" bullshit.
we are either American (one word) or we're not.

President Theodore Roosevelt (http://www.amazon.com/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt/ref=wp_la_11) - 1915
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."




I actually agree with that for the most part. I think it's very reasonable for different groups to infuse their culture, food, music, and all of that great stuff into the society and be very proud of it but without separating themselves as specific types of Americans.

[Boris The Animal]

I actually agree with that for the most part. I think it's very reasonable for different groups to infuse their culture, food, music, and all of that great stuff into the society and be very proud of it but without separating themselves as specific types of Americans.And what I found is that when you overlook petty things like skin color, culture, etc., we all bleed red.

On a side note, as a Jazz musician, I have taken the liberty to study the history of the genre, its musical founders, and the richness and diversity it possesses. And did you know that Rock & Roll and other contemporary genres all have their origins within Black America??

[Dr. Who]

And what I found is that when you overlook petty things like skin color, culture, etc., we all bleed red.

On a side note, as a Jazz musician, I have taken the liberty to study the history of the genre, its musical founders, and the richness and diversity it possesses. And did you know that Rock & Roll and other contemporary genres all have their origins within Black America??Of course. It all stems from blues. A huge part of the "sound" of American music comes from black America as well as what other ethnicities brought to the music. The best part of music is the wonderful fusions that occur when different cultures get together.

[oceanloverOH]

Several excellent points in this thread... Boris The Animal, I wholeheartedly agree with your contention that Obama is a divider, not a uniter; he has badly bruised the American ideal over the last 5 years. And Agravan, thank you so much for posting the viewpoint on "hyphenated-American".......that is soooooooooo true! Why can't we all just be American? Why do so many groups choose to separate themselves? You can celebrate having a rich ancestral culture without fomenting national separatism.

[jillian]

No, that's where you are dead wrong again. Allow me to explain. The Democrat party have always been masters at identity politics, pandering to this group or that group, and I think the GOP should have never tried to emulate that. This is why, IMHO, Reagan was so successful in conveying Conservatism. Because when he spoke, he spoke to ALL Americans. Not this group or that group. Sorry, but to me, Obama is a divider.

you know. i'm not wrong. and perhaps you'd do better to stop telling women what they should do with their bodies and how black people should feel in the face of their sons being made suspect for no reason.

again, while i appreciate your desire to rid the world of racism, "in concept", you need to do some self-analysis and find some empathy before you can start to think about how we as a society can make things better.

[Boris The Animal]

you know. i'm not wrong. and perhaps you'd do better to stop telling women what they should do with their bodies and how black people should feel in the face of their sons being made suspect for no reason.

again, while i appreciate your desire to rid the world of racism, "in concept", you need to do some self-analysis and find some empathy before you can start to think about how we as a society can make things better.First off, I will not compromise on what I KNOW to be right! Second, I will not subscribe to Liberalism nor leftism if that is what you are insinuating.

[Agravan]

you know. i'm not wrong. and perhaps you'd do better to stop telling women what they should do with their bodies and how black people should feel in the face of their sons being made suspect for no reason.

again, while i appreciate your desire to rid the world of racism, "in concept", you need to do some self-analysis and find some empathy before you can start to think about how we as a society can make things better.
of course you're not wrong. You're a liberal, and as such you are infallible. Please tell us lowly conservatives how wrong we are and enlighten us with your rightness.

[oceanloverOH]

of course you're not wrong. You're a liberal, and as such you are infallible. Please tell us lowly conservatives how wrong we are and enlighten us with your rightness.

.......he said, with tongue firmly implanted in cheek........

[Agravan]

First off, I will not compromise on what I KNOW to be right! Second, I will not subscribe to Liberalism nor leftism if that is what you are insinuating. Boris The Animal, that is the only way liberals can see us as being right. If we would only give up our principles and go over to the dark side, then all would be right (left) with the world and the liberals would have their fool's paradise that they strive for.

[Agravan]

.......he said, with tongue firmly implanted in cheek........

Carefull @ocenalonerH, jillian does not comprehend humor.

[jillian]

of course you're not wrong. You're a liberal, and as such you are infallible. Please tell us lowly conservatives how wrong we are and enlighten us with your rightness.

*yawn*

[Boris The Animal]

*yawn*Pwned!!!

[jillian]

First off, I will not compromise on what I KNOW to be right! Second, I will not subscribe to Liberalism nor leftism if that is what you are insinuating.

what you "know to be right" is your "opinion".

here's a hint. we all believe our opinions to be correct or we'd hold different opinions.

it's funny how that works.

[Agravan]

*yawn*

Sarcasm is over your head, right? Sorry, I gave you too much credit. Now, go rest your little head, that's a good little girl.

[jillian]

Pwned!!!

you mean he lies and makes things up and that's supposed to be some kind of "victory".

rightwing high-fives are so funny.

[jillian]

Carefull @ocenalonerH, jillian does not comprehend humor.

jillian loves humor.

you're just not funny. i've told you that.

[Boris The Animal]

@Boris The Animal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=658), that is the only way liberals can see us as being right. If we would only give up our principles and go over to the dark side, then all would be right (left) with the world and the liberals would have their fool's paradise that they strive for.Exactly, Jillian accuses me of listening to El Rushbo? He may be a blowhard but he is right about this. Liberals think they alone are smarter than anyone else, they think they alone are anointed to govern. Sickening is the word I would use.

[Agravan]

what you "know to be right" is your "opinion".

here's a hint. we all believe our opinions to be correct or we'd hold different opinions.

it's funny how that works.
So, does this also "go against everything" you "know"??

[Boris The Animal]

what you "know to be right" is your "opinion".

here's a hint. we all believe our opinions to be correct or we'd hold different opinions.

it's funny how that works.And here's another hint. You prefer to believe lies rather than the truth.

[Agravan]

jillian loves humor.

you're just not funny. i've told you that.
no, jillian just has no sense of humor. At all.

[Boris The Animal]

no, jillian just has no sense of humor. At all.Does any Liberal??

[Common]

The most laughable insinuation in this thread is that only democrats are racists and republicans are not. Thats just plain bs

[Max Rockatansky]

One of the first things we need to do is to drop the "hyphenated-American" bullshit.
we are either American (one word) or we're not.

President Theodore Roosevelt (http://www.amazon.com/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt/ref=wp_la_11) - 1915
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."




Since there is a lot of BS on the Internet, I looked to verify the source of this quote and couldn't find an exact match, but Snopes reveals some that are very close in content: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/troosevelt.asp

Do you have a link verifying the source?

[Dr. Who]

Since there is a lot of BS on the Internet, I looked to verify the source of this quote and couldn't find an exact match, but Snopes reveals some that are very close in content: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/troosevelt.asp

Do you have a link verifying the source?Found it on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American

[jillian]

no, jillian just has no sense of humor. At all.

you're just not funny. *shrug*

[patrickt]

Boris the Animal: "My thinking is this. We have to get past skin color, past culture, and past history if we are to unite as a country."

And, the liberals cannot permit us to get past skin color, past culture, and past history. They are based on division and hatred. It's all they've got, Boris. They cannot simply tell the truth and let American's vote.

The racists when I was young were mostly Democrats, seething with irrational hatred, who insisted that if you had one drop of black blood you were black. And now, nothing has changed. The racists are mostly Democrats, seething with irrational hatred, who insist that if you have one drop of black blood then you're black. The only real difference is that back in the bad days the racists weren't socialist/communist who hated America. I suppose in some ways that makes the racists today even worse.

[jillian]

Boris the Animal: "My thinking is this. We have to get past skin color, past culture, and past history if we are to unite as a country."

And, the liberals cannot permit us to get past skin color, past culture, and past history. They are based on division and hatred. It's all they've got, Boris. They cannot simply tell the truth and let American's vote.

The racists when I was young were mostly Democrats, seething with irrational hatred, who insisted that if you had one drop of black blood you were black. And now, nothing has changed. The racists are mostly Democrats, seething with irrational hatred, who insist that if you have one drop of black blood then you're black. The only real difference is that back in the bad days the racists weren't socialist/communist who hated America. I suppose in some ways that makes the racists today even worse.

*yawn*

why is it so difficult for rightwing extremists to have even a modicum of sensitivity to other people?

is the fear of not being the majority distorting what little judgment you have left?

or do you actually believe the garbage spewed during 40 years of the southern strategy.

[Mr Happy]

Does any Liberal??

Baby Bush made me laugh almost every day....

[jillian]

Does any Liberal??

funny. as usual, the rightwingers have it butt backward.

we laugh at you all the time.

[Cigar]

Thank You for your opinion on Racism ...

[patrickt]

funny. as usual, the rightwingers have it butt backward.

we laugh at you all the time.

The definitive response from the racists.

[Libhater]

A way to spot the racists is to look closely at who among us are the race baiters. I cannot possibly conceive of there being a time when a WHITE man or a Conservative would lower themselves to the point of race baiting an issue. Now we have Democrats like Michael dyson, al sharpless, Jessie jackhole, Farrakhan, the entire congressional black caucus, the naacp and countless other leftist/democrap entities that race bait every issue 24/7. This is a no brainer--the brainless democraps are indeed racist with every word dripping from their collective racist mouths.

[Cigar]

http://eviljohn11.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/grumpy-old-man.jpg#cranky%20old%20man

[patrickt]

Another Cigar TPP. I wonder if Jillian will ever address the topic? Probably not.

[Venus]

what you "know to be right" is your "opinion".

here's a hint. we all believe our opinions to be correct or we'd hold different opinions.

it's funny how that works.

What's funny is when anyone expresses an opinion that doesn't jive with yours, they are wrong or they are lying.

You want everyone to respect your point of view or opinion but you don't extend the same courtesy.

[Chloe]

A way to spot the racists is to look closely at who among us are the race baiters. I cannot possibly conceive of there being a time when a WHITE man or a Conservative would lower themselves to the point of race baiting an issue. Now we have Democrats like Michael dyson, al sharpless, Jessie jackhole, Farrakhan, the entire congressional black caucus, the naacp and countless other leftist/democrap entities that race bait every issue 24/7. This is a no brainer--the brainless democraps are indeed racist with every word dripping from their collective racist mouths.

Ok but there are racists and race baiters of all races, yes even white conservatives. To say differently is being pretty disingenuous I think.

[Libhater]

Ok but there are racists and race baiters of all races, yes even white conservatives. To say differently is being pretty disingenuous I think.

You make a valid point as I never suggested that every WHITE CONSERVATIVE was an angel--for we're all mortal sinners. But my point here is that racists and racism is found throughout our news on a daily basis, and it not because the KKK are making waves, rather, its because of the leftist race baiters as from those I referred to in the previous post.

[Cigar]

You make a valid point as I never suggested that every WHITE CONSERVATIVE was an angel--for we're all mortal sinners. But my point here is that racists and racism is found throughout our news on a daily basis, and it not because the KKK are making waves, rather, its because of the leftist race baiters as from those I referred to in the previous post.

I can see why the last thing you would ever want is for someone who feels they are being discriminated against, to complain.

I'm mean the nerve ... :rollseyes:

[Libhater]

I can see why the last thing you would ever want is for someone who feels they are being discriminated against, to complain
:rollseyes:

Yeah, so-called discrimination and victim ology are the two driving forces behind the agenda of the lazy, the dependent and the useless minority contingent here in America.

[Cigar]

Yeah, so-called discrimination and victim ology are the two driving forces behind the agenda of the lazy, the dependent and the useless minority contingent here in America.

Yea that sucks for you doesn't it ... :laugh:

[Libhater]

Yea that sucks for you doesn't it ... :laugh:

No, not for me personally, rather, it sucks for our nation as a whole.

[Boris The Animal]

The most laughable insinuation in this thread is that only democrats are racists and republicans are not. Thats just plain bsNobody is insinuating that at all. We're simply pointing out the double standards that Liberals employ.

[Max Rockatansky]

Nobody is insinuating that at all. We're simply pointing out the double standards that Liberals employ.

Liberals are as big of hypocrites as Conservatives. You are correct; despite their denial, Liberals employ double standards. They are equally intolerant, prejudicial and as hateful as Conservatives. The manner in which they do this may differ, but the hateful results are the same.

[Libhater]

Liberals are as big of hypocrites as Conservatives. You are correct; despite their denial, Liberals employ double standards. They are equally intolerant, prejudicial and as hateful as Conservatives. The manner in which they do this may differ, but the hateful results are the same.

Conservatives are intolerant, prejudicial and hateful? Do tell. Examples please.

[Ransom]

Ok but there are racists and race baiters of all races, yes even white conservatives. To say differently is being pretty disingenuous I think.

Who gets to decide who is a 'racist' Chloe?

[Max Rockatansky]

Conservatives are intolerant, prejudicial and hateful? Do tell. Examples please.

Your own username is a good example, or you could visit any birther threads or any labeled either Zimmerman and/or Martin.

[Chloe]

Who gets to decide who is a 'racist' Chloe?

Well I think everybody probably knows what makes someone racist. It doesn't matter their skin color really since all races have people in it that hate or condemn other races.

[Ransom]

Well I think everybody probably knows what makes someone racist.

I think you can see that a case like a Trayvon Martin case sees many telling others what their perception is...and then sheeple following the lead. Most jurors for example in the Z case who actually listened to testimony, didn't think racism was involved....meanwhile you saw people on this forum like Cigar and Jillian very much blaming race to the exclusion of any other explanation. You couldn't be more wrong here and you're on quite a roll lately.


It doesn't matter their skin color really since all races have people in it that hate or condemn other races.

I personally think the racism charge is used as a tool. An attempt at high ground....an attempt to discredit someone that doesn't agree with you. I think race was used to get a President elected, race is used to inspire and create acts of utter nonsense, it's a lightning rod issue political game players run with...making your first statement not only wrong here...but supremely naive. tighten up, Chloe.

[Libhater]

Your own username is a good example, or you could visit any birther threads or any labeled either Zimmerman and/or Martin.

First off, my username depicts my extreme hatred of liberalism--not any person in particular. Birthers are just people who want to know where Obama's 'REAL' birth certificate is, and why it is he took so long to produce a fake one. There is nothing racist about inquiring to the truth of our president. And you would have to be specific when mentioning a Martin/Zimmerman thread as to its racist intent. In fact, the only time racism was brought into the picture with that case was done in total by the race baiters al sharpless etc. Nothing at all to do with Conservatives. So was al sharpless suggesting that race or in this case--the Hispanic race is full of racists simply because Zimmerman defended himself against a black ghetto thug?

[Ransom]

Well I think everybody probably knows what makes someone racist.

Everybody "probably" knows? Like Cigar, nic, Jillian, Common, Mr. Happy, or you?

Got any more jokes, Chloe?

for the love of God.

[Cigar]

Everybody "probably" knows? Like Cigar, nic, Jillian, Common, Mr. Happy, or you?

Got any more jokes, Chloe?

for the love of God.

If anyone ever has a problem with me ... I'm not hard to find at all.

No Racism required ... I'm a more personal than that.

[Cigar]

First off, my username depicts my extreme hatred of liberalism--not any person in particular. Birthers are just people who want to know where Obama's 'REAL' birth certificate is, and why it is he took so long to produce a fake one. There is nothing racist about inquiring to the truth of our president. And you would have to be specific when mentioning a Martin/Zimmerman thread as to its racist intent. In fact, the only time racism was brought into the picture with that case was done in total by the race baiters al sharpless etc. Nothing at all to do with Conservatives. So was al sharpless suggesting that race or in this case--the Hispanic race is full of racists simply because Zimmerman defended himself against a black ghetto thug?


So go do something about it and stop your whining and bitching ... your string is starting to show. :rollseyes:

[Agravan]

If anyone ever has a problem with me ... I'm not hard to find at all.

No Racism required ... I'm a more personal than that.

Someone got his Big Boy Panties out of the dryer again. Felling mighty tuff now, ain't ya, Cigar?
As I recall, you've already been called out but you, of course, backed down. Yeah, You're a tough guy alright. :)

[Chloe]

Everybody "probably" knows? Like Cigar, nic, Jillian, Common, Mr. Happy, or you?

Got any more jokes, Chloe?

for the love of God.

Obviously some people may have other opinions or beliefs and so me saying that everybody probably knows was probably too big of an assumption on my part ok, but overall I think most reasonable people could probably identify a racist based on their words or actions don't you think?

[Agravan]

Obviously some people may have other opinions or beliefs and so me saying that everybody probably knows was probably too big of an assumption on my part ok, but overall I think most reasonable people could probably identify a racist based on their words or actions don't you think?

Obviously not, Chloe. Liberals seem to have a problem identifying the real racists. They just assume that if you disagree with liberal policies, then you must be a racist. If you belong to the GOP, you're automatically a racist. If you criticize Obama, then you're a racist. If you think Zimmerman acted in self defense, then you're a racist. And the list goes on and on.
So, NO, a great many people cannot properly recognize racism.

[Max Rockatansky]

First off, my username depicts my extreme hatred of liberalism

QED. Your avatar is another example.

[Chloe]

Obviously not, @Chloe (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=565). Liberals seem to have a problem identifying the real racists. They just assume that if you disagree with liberal policies, then you must be a racist. If you belong to the GOP, you're automatically a racist. If you criticize Obama, then you're a racist. If you think Zimmerman acted in self defense, then you're a racist. And the list goes on and on.
So, NO, a great many people cannot properly recognize racism.

I'm sure that goes the other way around as well though in many cases, but perhaps I was just speaking from my point of view and I shouldn't have said the word "everybody."

[Ransom]

Obviously some people may have other opinions or beliefs and so me saying that everybody probably knows was probably too big of an assumption on my part ok, but overall I think most reasonable people could probably identify a racist based on their words or actions don't you think?

No. Most people base their racism accusations on their own perspectives.....I just gave you a great example. Only one of the Zimmerman jurors even mentioned race and that was days after the verdict. Others saw the Z case through race colored glasses, Jillian and Cigar for example.

Most people cannot identify a racist......most people use their own perspectives and thought processes....and discern on their own.....then there are those like members in this forum who are led by the nose(Jillian, Cigar, mogur, and Marie)

[Libhater]

QED. Your avatar is another example.

Yes it is, and I can't seem to produce enough symbolic messages to get my point across to people that liberalism is the most destructive ideology in America today. But thanks for recognizing my avatar for what its worth, anyway.