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Cigar
08-19-2013, 09:51 AM
Rand Paul Doesn’t ‘Think Shutting Down The Government Is A Good Idea’ But He’ll Do It Anyway
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said on Sunday that he doesn’t think it’s a good idea to shut down the government over the funding of Obamacare, but that he is hoping his party does it anyway.

Paul has been one of the leading people calling on Congress to block a resolution that would fund the government unless money for Obamacare is not included in the bill. He was one of the fifteen senators to sign onto a letter vowing to block funding the health care law. But on Sunday, Paul told Fox News Sunday that, “I don’t think shutting down the government is a good idea.”

Still, Paul went on, “I do think that we were elected, conservatives were elected, to try to stop this overreach, this government takeover of healthcare,” and so “we should use the leverage of controlling one-third of the government… to at the very least make that law less bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the American public from the law.”

Acknowledging that support for a shutdown isn’t broad enough in the Senate, Paul said that his colleagues in the House of Representatives should instead be the ones to make defunding the health law a priority: “We don’t control all of the government, but Republicans control the House of Representatives, they should stand up, use that power to at the very least make that law less bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the American public from the law,” Paul said. If the Republicans in the House try to defund the law, the two chambers of Congress could conference on a bill that may defund some parts of Obamacare. The House of Representatives has voted 40 times to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but have never been successful, and Republicans have not presented an alternative bill.

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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/18/2484891/rand-paul-shutdown-backtrack/

Brilliant Leadership and out of the box thinking ... :rollseyes:

Ransom
08-19-2013, 10:08 AM
Somebody standing in your hero's way again, Cigar? This week is the GOP won't let us have our way week?

Your arguments are so juvenile.

Cigar
08-19-2013, 10:16 AM
Somebody standing in your hero's way again, Cigar? This week is the GOP won't let us have our way week?

Your arguments are so juvenile.

You got it all wrong sport ... I love the way The GOP Governs or lack there of ... it's a Winning Combination for Democrats and Progressives.

Please ... don't ever change a thing. :laugh:

Ransom
08-19-2013, 10:36 AM
You got it all wrong sport ... I love the way The GOP Governs or lack there of ... it's a Winning Combination for Democrats and Progressives.

Please ... don't ever change a thing. :laugh:

You don't fool anyone Cigar, you're too much of a transparent hack to pretend. You don't like GOP governing, you complain and whine consistently about it......and we still won the House. 2014 elections are coming, your Hero already delaying this Obamacare atrocity because he knows it doesn't work.

I think Paul is right on here, let's have this debate. Let's make Obamacare the focus of the 2014 elections, Obama didn't run on it in 2012.

You're not afraid of us are you, Cigar?

Candy Cane.

Cigar
08-19-2013, 11:46 AM
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/130819-confused-rand-paul-bashes-himself.jpg

:smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO:

killianr1
08-19-2013, 11:53 AM
Yes it is simply horrible anyone would to stop a program that is continuing to reduce work hours for everyone. We all want to work less, make less money, and pay more for our health insurance.



Half of small businesses affected by the new national health-care (http://www.entrepreneur.com/topic/health-care) law plan to either cut hours to reduce workers to part-time status or replace existing full-timers to part-time hours to get around Obamacare (http://www.entrepreneur.com/topic/obamacare) requirements, according to a new survey.
What's more, another 24 percent of companies answering the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's quarterly small-business outlook survey said they will reduce staff to under 50 employees to avoid paying penalties for failing to offer health insurance.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/227467

By Lisa Myers and Carroll Ann Mears
NBC News

Employers around the country, from fast-food franchises to colleges, have told NBC News that they will be cutting workers’ hours below 30 a week because they can’t afford to offer the health insurance mandated by the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.
“To tell somebody that you’ve got to decrease their hours because of a law passed in Washington is very frustrating to me,” said Loren Goodridge, who owns 21 Subway franchises, including a restaurant in Kennebunk. “I know the impact I’m having on some of my employees.”


http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/13/20010062-businesses-claim-obamacare-has-forced-them-to-cut-employee-hours?lite

Proof Positive Obamacare is Accelerating the Move Towards Part-Time Employment
Anecdotal Evidence. But there’s been a tsunami of stories about real-world employers who in fact have shifted to part-time workers precisely to avoid the Obamacare mandate. These include:

Restaurants and fast-food establishments (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov/21/letter-employers-using-loopholes-aca): Buffalo Wild Wings (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100456557), CKE Restaurants Inc., owner of the Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s hamburger chains, (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324694904578601922653718606.html?m od=WSJ_hps_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop) Del Taco (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324694904578601922653718606.html?m od=WSJ_hps_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop), Subway franchises (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324694904578601922653718606.html?m od=WSJ_hps_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop), Wendy’s franchises (http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Fast-Food-Worker-Hours-Cut---185827392.html), White Castle (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324694904578601922653718606.html?m od=WSJ_hps_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop)
Colleges that rely on part-time instructors (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-part-time-healthcare-20130502,0,1429286,full.story): Community College of Allegheny County (PA), Kean University (NJ) (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/15/nation-biggest-movie-theater-chain-cuts-workweek-blaming-obamacare/?test=latestnews#ixzz2aUkTrGri),Northern Virginia Community College (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-care-law-is-tied-to-new-caps-on-work-hours-for-part-timers/2013/07/23/e6272544-e96a-11e2-aa9f-c03a72e2d342_story.html), Palm Beach State College (FL), (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/15/nation-biggest-movie-theater-chain-cuts-workweek-blaming-obamacare/?test=latestnews#ixzz2aUkTrGri) University of Arizona in Tucson, Youngstown State University, (OH)
Movie theaters: Regal Entertainment Group, which operates more than 500 theaters in 38 states (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/15/nation-biggest-movie-theater-chain-cuts-workweek-blaming-obamacare/?test=latestnews#ixzz2aUju2nZy)
State government employees: Virginia (http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/05/27/obamacare-leads-states-and-cities-consider-dumping-employees-cutting-ba)
Local government employees: Long Beach (CA) (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-part-time-healthcare-20130502,0,1429286,full.story), Dearborn (MI) (http://dearborn.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/dearborn-cuts-hours-of-part-time-city-employees-as-ob1aeba06da2)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/31/who-can-deny-it-obamacare-is-accelerating-u-s-towards-a-part-time-nation/

Chris
08-19-2013, 01:50 PM
Rand Paul Doesn’t ‘Think Shutting Down The Government Is A Good Idea’ But He’ll Do It Anyway
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said on Sunday that he doesn’t think it’s a good idea to shut down the government over the funding of Obamacare, but that he is hoping his party does it anyway.

Paul has been one of the leading people calling on Congress to block a resolution that would fund the government unless money for Obamacare is not included in the bill. He was one of the fifteen senators to sign onto a letter vowing to block funding the health care law. But on Sunday, Paul told Fox News Sunday that, “I don’t think shutting down the government is a good idea.”

Still, Paul went on, “I do think that we were elected, conservatives were elected, to try to stop this overreach, this government takeover of healthcare,” and so “we should use the leverage of controlling one-third of the government… to at the very least make that law less bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the American public from the law.”

Acknowledging that support for a shutdown isn’t broad enough in the Senate, Paul said that his colleagues in the House of Representatives should instead be the ones to make defunding the health law a priority: “We don’t control all of the government, but Republicans control the House of Representatives, they should stand up, use that power to at the very least make that law less bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the American public from the law,” Paul said. If the Republicans in the House try to defund the law, the two chambers of Congress could conference on a bill that may defund some parts of Obamacare. The House of Representatives has voted 40 times to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but have never been successful, and Republicans have not presented an alternative bill.

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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/18/2484891/rand-paul-shutdown-backtrack/

Brilliant Leadership and out of the box thinking ... :rollseyes:




Brilliant Leadership and out of the box thinking :rollseyes:

I have to agree. Glad you look :rollseyes: up to him.

lynn
08-19-2013, 03:22 PM
The questions here is can they actually shut down the government?

Chris
08-19-2013, 03:25 PM
The questions here is can they actually shut down the government?

Congress can refuse to fund it. Doubt they will. It'd be like expecting the fox guarding the henhouse.