A Look at Today's US Naval Ships and the Future of Naval Warfare.....

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First, I wish we had a few Naval Veterans here with us. They would know more about what is going on with the US Navy and the Ships we have. What the Future will look like and the type of warfare we are prepared for. Although I am sure as we grow we may have some of my cousins come around to help us out. Some Marines would know more too.

What I do know is that one of the lessens we learned from Nam was we really were not prepared for Conflict and Battle in shallow waters. Coastal Waters and rivers. Well the Navy took a lead on it with the Idea that not only would technology change so would the way Assualt and Battle took place. Regarding tactics and strategy.

Assault and Strike Units needed to be more complete. Especially with regards to invasion, amphibious assualt, securing a beachhead, specialty missions etc etc. What the US Navy has today are the Littorial Combat Ships 1 and 2. Known as LCS-1 made by Lockheed Martin Consortium and LCS-2 made by The General Dynamics Consortium.

http://united-states-navy.com/lcs/lcs1_1.jpg

USS FREEDOM is the lead ship of the FREEDOM - class of Littoral Combat Ships and the Lockheed Martin (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#) consortium's design for the Navy's littoral combat ship program (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#).



Awarded: December 15, 2004



Keel laid: June 2, 2005



Launched: September 23, 2006



Commissioned: November 8, 2008



Builder: Marinette Marine, Marinette, Wis.



Propulsion system: two gas turbine engines (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#), two diesel engines, waterjets



Length: 377 feet (115 meters)



Beam: 57.4 feet (17.5 meters)



Draft: 13.5 feet (4.13 meters)



Displacement: approx. 3,000 tons full load



Speed: 45 knots



Armament: one Mk-110 57mm gun, one RAM system, two Mk-46 30mm chain guns



Aircraft: two MH-60 helicopters



Homeport: San Diego, Calif.



Crew: less than 50 (two crews, a gold and a blue one) and mission crew

http://united-states-navy.com/lcs/lcs1_3_t.jpg http://united-states-navy.com/lcs/lcs1_4_t.jpg http://united-states-navy.com/lcs/lcs1_11_t.jpg http://united-states-navy.com/lcs/lcs1_7_t.jpg

Eyes in the sky, radar, 2 Armed Assualt Squads, and Transport. 45 knots! Able to enter Coastal and shallow waters. :m1helmet:



Well that didnt Work.....Pics didnt come out for some reason. Here is the link.
http://united-states-navy.com/lcs/lcs1.htm

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LCS-1 USS Freedom.....ya dont have to be a Vet either. If ya see something new for The US NAVY. Put it up! :m1helmet:

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LCS-2.....USS Independence! :m1helmet:

[Peter1469]

Looks like the Navy will be spared the cuts that the Army and the Marines will face.

[Conley]

Those are some funky looking ships. I don't think I've ever seen them before.

[MMC]

Those are some funky looking ships. I don't think I've ever seen them before.

Pretty cool looking to me. :wink:

[Conley]

I keep thinking there's a basketball court on the back of them! :laugh:

[BOOMSTICK]

They are real and they are spectacular.

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I will try to get some more of the Specialty ones we got up later. Plus I got some tech for the US Army and Air Force! :wink:

[Conley]

Very cool, I look forward to seeing em.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shadow_(IX-529)

The US Sea Shadow.....The Navy never Commissioned her. But she was the first Prototype for Stealth Tech with our Ships. I believe some of our Destroyers employ Stealth tech.

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http://navysite.de/cvn/Image7.jpg http://navysite.de/cvn/Image9.jpg

http://navysite.de/cvn/Image10.jpg
USS JOHN C. STENNIS comes alongside the USS INDEPENDENCE (CV 62) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/cv62.htm) March 30, 1998, in the Arabian Gulf where both ships were deployed in support of UN-mandated sanctions against Iraq and enforcement of the "No-Fly Zone" under OPERATION SOUTHERN WATCH.

USS JOHN C. STENNIS is 1,092 feet long and towers some 20 stories above the waterline. As a self-contained city, JOHN C. STENNIS has virtually the same amenities as any American city with a comparable population. It has a daily newspaper, radio and television stations (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#), fire department (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#), library, hospital, general store, laundry, two barbershops and even a post office with its own zip code.....snip~

http://navysite.de/cvn/cvn74.html

The Carrier Group that is a Strike Group is the one the Iranians told not to come back to the Persian Gulf. :wink:

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Force composition in 2011.....

U.S. Navy carrier strike groups typically consist of an aircraft carrier (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Supercarrier) (flagship (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Flagship)), an embarked carrier air wing (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Carrier_air_wing), at least one Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser), and a destroyer squadron (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/DESRON). As of 2011, Carrier Strike Group Three is composed of the following units:[19] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-18)

USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_John_C._Stennis_(CVN-74)), flagship (pictured)
Carrier Air Wing Nine (CVW-9) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Carrier_Air_Wing_Nine)
USS Antietam (CG-54) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Antietam_(CG-54))
Destroyer Squadron Twenty-one (DESRON-21):[20] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-19)

USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Wayne_E._Meyer_(DDG-108))
USS Dewey (DDG-105) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Dewey_(DDG-105))
USS Kidd (DDG-100) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Kidd_(DDG-100))
USS Milius (DDG-69) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Milius_(DDG-69))
USS Jarrett (FFG-33) (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Jarrett_(FFG-33))

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USS Mobile Bay (CG-53) is a Ticonderoga class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser) guided-missile (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Guided-missile) cruiser (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Cruiser) serving in the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). She is named for the naval Battle of Mobile Bay (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Battle_of_Mobile_Bay) during the American Civil War (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/American_Civil_War) in 1864. She is currently on deployment to the Persian Gulf (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Persian_Gulf), providing support for the John C. Stennis Strikegroup.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mobile_Bay_(CG-53)

Our Cruiser with the Stennis! :wink:

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The USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108) is an Arleigh Burke-class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) guided missile destroyer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Destroyer) in the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). She is named after Rear Admiral (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Rear_Admiral) Wayne E. Meyer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Wayne_E._Meyer), who is known as the Father of Aegis (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Aegis_combat_system).
Wayne E. Meyer is the 58th destroyer in her class. She carries the 100th AEGIS Weapon System (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Aegis_combat_system) to be delivered to the United States Navy.[2] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-1) She was built by Bath Iron Works (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Bath_Iron_Works), and was christened by sponsor Anna Mae Meyer (wife of Admiral Meyer) and launched on 18 October 2008.

Wayne E. Meyer is the 58th destroyer in her class. She carries the 100th AEGIS Weapon System (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Aegis_combat_system) to be delivered to the United States Navy.[2] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-1) She was built by Bath Iron Works (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Bath_Iron_Works), and was christened by sponsor Anna Mae Meyer (wife of Admiral Meyer) and launched on 18 October 2008.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wayne_E._Meyer_(DDG-108)

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USS Dewey (DDG-105) is an Arleigh Burke-class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) guided missile destroyer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Destroyer) in the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). Dewey is the third Navy ship named after Admiral of the Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Admiral_of_the_Navy_(United_States)) George Dewey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/George_Dewey), hero of the Battle of Manila Bay (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_Bay) during the Spanish-American War (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Spanish-American_War).[2] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-1)
She was authorized on 13 September 2002 and was built by Northrop Grumman Ship Systems (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Ship_Systems). The keel was laid down on 4 October 2006 at the company's shipyard in Pascagoula, Mississippi (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Pascagoula,_Mississippi).
On 26 January 2008, Dewey was christened in a ceremony in Pascagoula, by Deborah Mullen, the wife of Admiral (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Admiral) Mike Mullen (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Mike_Mullen).[3] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-EotF-2) Dewey was commissioned in Seal Beach, California (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Seal_Beach,_California) on 6 March 2010, as the 55th Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.[3] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-EotF-2) This is the first ship commissioning for the City of Seal Beach.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Dewey_(DDG-105)

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USS Kidd (DDG-100) is an Arleigh Burke-class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) destroyer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Destroyer) in the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). She is the third Navy ship named after Rear Admiral (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Rear_Admiral) Isaac C. Kidd (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Isaac_C._Kidd), who was on board Arizona (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Arizona_(BB-39)) during the attack on Pearl Harbor (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor), and was the first American flag officer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Flag_officer) to die in World War II.
Kidd was christened (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ship_naming_and_launching) on 22 January 2005 at Ingalls Shipbuilding (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ingalls_Shipbuilding) in Pascagoula, Mississippi (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Pascagoula,_Mississippi). Commander Richard E. Thomas of Westwood, New Jersey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Westwood,_New_Jersey), served as her first Commanding Officer until February 2008. Commander Charles P. Good of Huntington Beach, California (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Huntington_Beach,_California), will take Kidd on her maiden deployment.
The ship was damaged at the shipyard docks during Hurricane Katrina (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina) on the Mississippi Gulf Coast (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Gulf_Coast), requiring a return to the dry dock for repairs, delaying her commissioning and deployment with the Navy. She was commissioned in Galveston, Texas (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Galveston,_Texas) on June 9, 2007. She is currently homeported in San Diego, California (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/San_Diego,_California).
On January 5, 2012, the Kidd rescued the 13-member crew crew of an Iranian-flagged fishing vessel, the Al Molai, from Somali pirates (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia#Pirates) who had been holding them hostage for over 40 days, capturing 15 pirates in the process (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#) with no casualties.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kidd_(DDG-100)

Huah! :icon_salut:

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USS Pinckney (DDG-91) is an Arleigh Burke-class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) destroyer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Destroyer) in the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). She is named for Cook First Class William Pinckney (1915–1975), who received the Navy Cross (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Navy_Cross) for his courageous rescue of a fellow crewmember on board Enterprise (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CV-6)) (CV-6) during the Battle of Santa Cruz (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Santa_Cruz_Islands).
Pinckney was laid down on 16 July 2001 by Ingalls Shipbuilding (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ingalls_Shipbuilding), at Pascagoula, Mississippi (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Pascagoula,_Mississippi); launched (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ship_naming_and_launching) on 26 June 2002; and commissioned (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ship_commissioning) on 29 May 2004 at Naval Construction Battalion Center Port Hueneme (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Naval_Construction_Battalion_Center_Port_Hueneme).
As of 2010, Pinckney is commanded by Commander Matthew M. McGonigle, homeported at NS San Diego (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Naval_Station_San_Diego), and assigned to Destroyer Squadron 23.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pinckney_(DDG-91)

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USS Antietam (CG-54) is a Ticonderoga-class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser) guided missile cruiser (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Guided_missile_cruiser) of the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). Antietam was named for the site of the 1862 Battle of Antietam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Battle_of_Antietam), Maryland (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Maryland), between Confederate (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America) forces under General Robert E. Lee (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Robert_E._Lee) and Union forces under Major General George McClellan (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/George_B._McClellan), during the American Civil War (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/American_Civil_War). She was built by the Litton-Ingalls Shipbuilding Corporation at Pascagoula, Mississippi and commissioned on 6 June 1987. She is currently led by the Commanding Officer, Captain Robert P. Tortora, and the Executive Officer, Commander Patrick K. McNamara. USS Antietam earned the 2007 and 2008 Battle Efficiency awards, also known as the Battle E (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Battle_E) award, for the USS John C. Stennis Strike Group.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Antietam_(CG-54)

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The USS Milius (DDG-69) is an Arleigh Burke-class (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer) Aegis (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Aegis_combat_system) guided missile destroyer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Destroyer) of the United States Navy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Navy). Her namesake is Commander Paul L. Milius (1928-1968) of U.S. Navy squadron VO-67 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/VO-67). His aircraft was hit over Laos in 1968 and he ordered his crew to bail out. Although he exited his aircraft, he was never recovered. Commander Milius received the Navy Cross (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Navy_Cross) in 1968.
The motto of the ship is "Alii Prae Me" (Others before me).
In January 2005, she participated in Operation Unified Assistance (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Operation_Unified_Assistance). On 6 December 2006, the ship successfully launched a Block IV Tomahawk (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/BGM-109_Tomahawk) cruise missile (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Cruise_missile) for the first time in a test (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#) of the Block IV configuration. The launch took place in the Naval Air Warfare Center (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Naval_Air_Warfare_Center) Weapons Division Sea Test Range off of California. The missile flew 869 miles before impacting its target on the land range at China Lake, California (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Naval_Air_Weapons_Station_China_Lake).[1] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-0)
On 12 September 2007, the U.S. embassy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Embassy) in the Philippines (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Philippines) stated that the arrival of the missile (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Missile) destroyers USS Chung-Hoon (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/USS_Chung-Hoon_(DDG-93)) and USS Milius was a goodwill visit to strengthen ties between the U.S. and the Philippines.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Milius_(DDG-69)

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USS Jarrett (FFG-33), was the twenty-fifth ship of the Oliver Hazard Perry (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class_frigate)-class guided-missile frigates (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Frigate), was named for Vice Admiral Harry B. Jarrett (1898–1974).
Ordered from Todd Pacific Shipyards (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Todd_Pacific_Shipyards), San Pedro, California (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/San_Pedro,_California) on 23 January 1978 as part of the FY78 program, Jarrett was laid down on 11 February 1981, launched on 17 October 1981, commissioned on 2 July 1983, and decommissioned on 21 April 2011.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jarrett_(FFG-33)

There is Strike Group 3 of the Stennis Carrier group attached to 5th fleet. :wink:

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I served on this ship a few years ago... it's the former USS-Cook (FF-1083) though now it's the ROCN's FFG-936 HaiYang .
It's not a bad ship but after 40 years in service it's not hard to see why life on it was hell.... though luckily serving as a radarmen you avoid some of the worst of it... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/USS_Cook_(FF-1083)_underway.jpg/300px-USS_Cook_(FF-1083)_underway.jpg

[MMC]

Thanks for sharing that RW. I to am a Vet. Hooah! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/GHGecko/ANI_GIFs/BUs/Smiley_BU_Sign_Salute_A_Vet.gif

[Conley]

I served on this ship a few years ago... it's the former USS-Cook (FF-1083) though now it's the ROCN's FFG-936 HaiYang .
It's not a bad ship but after 40 years in service it's not hard to see why life on it was hell.... though luckily serving as a radarmen you avoid some of the worst of it... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/USS_Cook_(FF-1083)_underway.jpg/300px-USS_Cook_(FF-1083)_underway.jpg

Very cool RW. How long did you serve or are you still?

[Mister D]

I thought RW was a Taiwan national?

[Conley]

I think he is, Republic of China Navy (ROCN).

[Mister D]

OH! I didn't read closely enough/ Never mind.

[Chris]

Interesting thread!

Found some more on the LCS: The USA’s New Littoral Combat Ships (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-new-littoral-combat-ships-updated-01343). Lots of diagrams and explanation of features.

And...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGykzxgS1TE&feature=related

[Conley]

Awesome vid...I still can't believe they're naming one after Gabrielle Giffords.

[ritchie]

Some of those photos aren't showing for me

[Peter1469]

Wow, they have some in service already. Didn't know.

Naming a ship after a living person is really lame.

[Conley]

Wow, they have some in service already. Didn't know.

Naming a ship after a living person is really lame.

I agree completely.

Here's the discussion we had about it:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/1941-Gabrielle-Giffords-Getting-a-Navy-Ship-Named-After-Her

[Conley]

"Historian Eric Wertheim, author of "Guide to Combat Fleets of the World", said, "Giffords is a true inspiration and I have nothing but respect for her. But I am concerned about naming ships after living people. I'm concerned about making legends of people before they go through the vetting process of history.

"The potential problem here is that any living person, theoretically, could later do something that changes our opinion of them."

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/10/navy-names-warship-after-gabriel-giffords/?sciquest

[Mister D]

She's an otherwise obscure congresswoman who suffered a tragedy. Please...

[Peter1469]

Is partially dead enough to get a ship named after you?

[Mister D]

Is partially dead enough to get a ship named after you?

Apparently.

[RollingWave]

Taiwan has mandatory draft, so all healthy male need to serve in the military to some extend for a year or 2 between age 18-30 (most folks serve while they're 18-25 or so but plenty of exception exist). I drew the navy during my time so I served on that ship. So most guys in Taiwan have some minor military experience at least.

the ROC (aka Taiwan) theoriticaly have about 2 million men or so in reserve force (though factoring in logistics and the need to keep at least basic service going the more realistic potential of mobilization is 1 million at best), which is most of the guys between age 18-40 that have served their time in the military already, standing force IIRC is something like 200k right now. But it's helpful that have that reserve when war might come to your doorstep pretty quickly . It's also one of the bigger obstical of a potential PRC attack on Taiwan, since you know.. the PLA as a whole only have 2 million men and they don't have that sort of reserve pool, so they'll have to try to take Taiwan with the odds really against them.

[Conley]

Interesting. Not only would the PLA have a hard time, but in years past Taiwan probably only needed to hold out until the U.S. could move heavy forces in to to assist. I'm not sure if the U.S. resolve to intervene would be as strong now as it was in the past, since I think the country in general has "war fatigue" and such a move would mean WW3. If China ever thought they could get away with it though, they probably would have already made the move right? So it's good that they haven't.

[Peter1469]

I would certainly hope that the US would not insert ground forces to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack. If naval and air power is not enough, it isn't worth it to the US.

[Mister D]

Inserting ground forces would be difficult anyway. I think the first few phases of such a conflict would be decided at sea and in the air.

[Conley]

I think so too. Hopefully we are still what we used to be in the Pacific in spite of all the entanglements on the other side of the world.

[Mister D]

I think we are. We're trying to be in Iraq and Afghanistan what we never were save for a brief period in Vietnam: a counter insurgency force.

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAP4Vv2uf1Q&feature=related

US SWCC MK-V.....It's not like Iran has the jump on us in Swift boats Either.

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2egf4q1TFQ

The US Joint Venture.....HSV-X1

[ritchie]

Is that swift boat the USS John Kerry?

[MMC]

Is that swift boat the USS John Kerry?

It didn't say so in the Video. Mk-V1 and V2.

[ritchie]

I was joking. Remember when Kerry got swiftboated?

[MMC]

Our Swift-boats are able to do so 47-50mph. Plus our has all that neat radar equipment. The V2 also Carries Stingers.

[ritchie]

That has to be faster than theirs

[Mister D]

Iran has the jump on us in exactly nothing.

[MMC]

That has to be faster than theirs

I think we have a thread on some Iranian tech. Couple videos showing their boats. If not it might be under the thread Isreal vs Iran. They do have Missile launching abilities. The Iranians mix thiers in with attack boats and rocket boats. Plus they have some some hydro-foils. Althought I don't see those as viable for any combat role. other than communications and or for dropping mines.

[Peter1469]

They have practiced shooting ballistic missiles into the atmoshpere from merchant vessels in the Caspian Sea.

Think merchant vessel with a scud launcher covered with a tarp. A nuke on top of the scud. Float off the eastern seaboard of the US. Remove the tarp, set up the scud, fire the scud over the US, have the payload explode 250 miles up. EMP. All unshielded electronics in line of sight are destroyed. Over the course of the next 18 months more people would die than had the nuke hit NYC.

[MMC]

They have practiced shooting ballistic missiles into the atmoshpere from merchant vessels in the Caspian Sea.

Think merchant vessel with a scud launcher covered with a tarp. A nuke on top of the scud. Float off the eastern seaboard of the US. Remove the tarp, set up the scud, fire the scud over the US, have the payload explode 250 miles up. EMP. All unshielded electronics in line of sight are destroyed. Over the course of the next 18 months more people would die than had the nuke hit NYC.


You don't think they are capable of that do ya Pete? I mean cmon it's Iran they can't affect much Militarily nor economically. These guys are nothing more than All talk and lightweights. Right?

[Mister D]

You don't think they are capable of that do ya Pete? I mean cmon it's Iran they can't affect much Militarily nor economically. These guys are nothing more than All talk and lightweights. Right?

So now you are saying Iran is going to nuke us, MMC?

[MMC]

So now you are saying Iran is going to nuke us, MMC?


I didnt say that.....uhm where do you see that I said anything about such. You need to re-read the posts again. I asked Pete Concerning what he was talking about. I think that is his post that says "think merchant vessel with a scud launcher on it and with a nuke." Uhm.....yep. It wasn't mine!

[Peter1469]

You don't think they are capable of that do ya Pete? I mean cmon it's Iran they can't affect much Militarily nor economically. These guys are nothing more than All talk and lightweights. Right?

I don't think that Iran has a nuke yet. So no, they aren't capable of this.

Once they have a nuke, it would be an easy operation. Float the merchant ship off our coast, fire off the scud, then sink the ship. How do we know who to blame?

We would be plunged into pre-industrial age. The big transformers that power our grids are no longer made in the US and would take years to replace.

A couple of years ago the House passed a bill to spend money on hardening our grids. The Senate blocked it. Why?

[Mister D]

I didnt say that.....uhm where do you see that I said anything about such. You need to re-read the posts again. I asked Pete Concerning what he was talking about. I think that is his post that says "think merchant vessel with a scud launcher on it and with a nuke." Uhm.....yep. It wasn't mine!

I didn't think so. :grin:

[MMC]

I don't think that Iran has a nuke yet. So no, they aren't capable of this.

Once they have a nuke, it would be an easy operation. Float the merchant ship off our coast, fire off the scud, then sink the ship. How do we know who to blame?

We would be plunged into pre-industrial age. The big transformers that power our grids are no longer made in the US and would take years to replace.

A couple of years ago the House passed a bill to spend money on hardening our grids. The Senate blocked it. Why?

Are you sure they were shooting those missiles into the atmoshpere from merchant vessels Pete?

[Peter1469]

Are you sure they were shooting those missiles into the atmoshpere from merchant vessels Pete?




I don't think that the platform used in the tests is the issue, it is the capability.

http://www.missilethreat.com/archives/id.60,page.2/subject_detail.asp

[Conley]

So Pakistan probably already has the means to do this, right? I just hope our sat systems are evolved enough to catch these guys crossing the ocean in time for naval forces to intercept.

[MMC]

I don't think that the platform used in the tests is the issue, it is the capability.

http://www.missilethreat.com/archives/id.60,page.2/subject_detail.asp

But do you think we should consider that the capability only comes with those that are only an actual threat to the the US and not some papertiger who just likes to talk and blow hot air. So truthully Iran cannot affect us or anybody except those in their region at this time. Correct?

I mean Iran don't have the means to incorporate chemical weapons into their warheads for a ballistic missile system at all right?

[RollingWave]

Interesting. Not only would the PLA have a hard time, but in years past Taiwan probably only needed to hold out until the U.S. could move heavy forces in to to assist. I'm not sure if the U.S. resolve to intervene would be as strong now as it was in the past, since I think the country in general has "war fatigue" and such a move would mean WW3. If China ever thought they could get away with it though, they probably would have already made the move right? So it's good that they haven't.


Inserting ground forces would be difficult anyway. I think the first few phases of such a conflict would be decided at sea and in the air.

Yeah, Taiwan is a island so naval and air superiority would be the single most important, the ground force is just there to make sure they can't take the island simply by snipping through a few thousand men or anything . And in reality they would nee more like an entire army with all it's heavy equipmen on the island to be able to take it. Not to meantion Taiwan have enough men and command system anyway, at the most the US probably would send some extra defense weapon (anti air missiles, tanks and spare parts etc.) That's what they did in the 1958 battle of Kinmen , they gave some extra howitzer to the ROC forces on the island.


There's very high political risk for China in attacking Taiwan too anyway, if they don't succeed in the venture there's a very high probability of military coup or some other forms of rebellion against the establishment.so if they're going to pull this they'd better be 100% sure they can win, and they're not here yet right now, unless they're willing to nuke Taiwan, which kinda defeat their original intention.



Iran has the jump on us in exactly nothing.
Sure they do, rugs, beard and turbans ;)

[MMC]

Pete do you read Stars and Stripes besides the AF Journal?

[Peter1469]

Who pays attention to small merchant ships?

[Conley]

Who pays attention to small merchant ships?

If they have a radiation signature, for example.

[Conley]

Yeah, Taiwan is a island so naval and air superiority would be the single most important, the ground force is just there to make sure they can't take the island simply by snipping through a few thousand men or anything . And in reality they would nee more like an entire army with all it's heavy equipmen on the island to be able to take it.

There's very high political risk for China in attacking Taiwan too anyway, if they don't succeed in the venture there's a very high probability of military coup or some other forms of rebellion against the establishment.so if they're going to pull this they'd better be 100% sure they can win, and they're not here yet right now, unless they're willing to nuke Taiwan, which kinda defeat their original intention.

Sure they do, rugs, beard and turbans ;)


Pretty sure they kick our asses in date production as well. :grin:

[MMC]

Who pays attention to small merchant ships?

Cmon Pete these are the Persians we are talking about. How can they affect us or anybody else Militarily or Economically with Oil that they can't refine nor compete in production with the Saudis and the all their Sunni brethren. They can't cause shit to affect others economies. They can't even hit Europe with ballisitic missiles yet.....right?

Militarily these guys can't compare to the US, Brits, or the French. Let alone Israel who is way more prepared for war than the Brits or the French. It's all smoke and mirrors isn't it?

Someone was saying that the Iranians were number one in biological weapons research. That was just some made up shit for propaganda right? I know they had to deal with the effects of such with Saddam and all but that was for healing and cures right? Not for weapons use.....correct?

[MMC]

RollingWave.....what is your assessment of Iran? Think these guys can affect anyone militarily or economically thats outside of the ME?

[Elibe]

sure, iran can affect a lot. they are doing it right now all you have to look at is the build up of naval forces in the middle east and the price of oil

[MMC]

sure, iran can affect a lot. they are doing it right now all you have to look at is the build up of naval forces in the middle east and the price of oil

But they can't affect our economy. Nor the Brits or the French.....right? Like right now with all the sanctions against them, placing an Oil Embargo on the Brits and the French isn't going to affect their economies. Plus doing it the day before Nuke Proliferation talks only hurts their cause. What can their little Navy do to anybody in the the Straits of Hormuz with 3 or 4 carrier strike groups hanging out waiting for trouble? Plus moving a fleet into the Med. Their only setting themselves up to have all those ships sunk. Even if the US doesnt have anything in the Med that is around the Iranians can't take on the French or the Brits.....right? their technology can't even compare.....correct?

Cmon the Persians are nothing more than a hyped up 3rd World Country that is all bark and no bite.....right? These are a backwards people and not to educated about much. Not since Cyrus the Great were they in any type of Power or Control of the ME. plus with all the US technology that the Saudis and the Sunni Governments all around. This means that truly Iran is the weakest of them all in the ME. Other than Syria.....Right?

[Peter1469]

But they can't affect our economy. Nor the Brits or the French.....right? Like right now with all the sanctions against them, placing an Oil Embargo on the Brits and the French isn't going to affect their economies. Plus doing it the day before Nuke Proliferation talks only hurts their cause. What can their little Navy do to anybody in the the Straits of Hormuz with 3 or 4 carrier strike groups hanging out waiting for trouble? Plus moving a fleet into the Med. Their only setting themselves up to have all those ships sunk. Even if the US doesnt have anything in the Med that is around the Iranians can't take on the French or the Brits.....right? their technology can't even compare.....correct?

Cmon the Persians are nothing more than a hyped up 3rd World Country that is all bark and no bite.....right? These are a backwards people and not to educated about much. Not since Cyrus the Great were they in any type of Power or Control of the ME. plus with all the US technology that the Saudis and the Sunni Governments all around. This means that truly Iran is the weakest of them all in the ME. Other than Syria.....Right?

http://www.empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf

read this

[MMC]

Of course these things would happen if an EMP was used in that fashion. But this is the Iranians we are talking about. They are weak and as the World has seen nothing more than incompetant boobs on when it comes to the big picture of things. They can never get anything right at all.

Plus like I said they havent even figured out to hit Europe or put biological weapons into their ballistic missiles.

[RollingWave]

RollingWave.....what is your assessment of Iran? Think these guys can affect anyone militarily or economically thats outside of the ME?

I dunno to be honest, there's two competing problems we're seeing.

Let's point out that to different extends one could easily argue that Stalin / Mao / Kim etc were even more crazy then the Iranian Mullahs. Which in most comparison of the things they actually done (not things they said) the Mullahs look like real saints in comparison to those guys. There's significant check and balance within the Iranian's own circle (which is at least partially democratic) and shifts in their policy to believe that they're not really bent on nothing but the destruction of the west.

On the other hand, I think it's generally within the world's interest to try and enforce the NPT (non-proliferation treaty), which Iran is a signatory, of course, if such action was initiated by one of only 4 states in the world that DIDN'T sign / withdrew from the treaty (Israel ... other 3 being India / Pakistan / North Korea) I think we would have a serious case of hypocrosy.

Let's point out that countries like South Korea and Taiwan actually did try to develop nukes in the 60s-80s, but in both cases they were rather directly disposed of by the USA, though not through military means, but rather the CIA simply walked in and poured a gazillion ton of concrete on it while the local government can't risk openly being in conflict with the US.

Personally, I think the US woul be better served to more clearly pull the message back to the fundementals, that they're doing this to enforce the NPT and nothing else (it's quickly getting framed as a geopolitical or even religious struggle, the former is not really in the US's interest while the later is simply absurd), this is one key reason why they must keep Israel out of it. Though I' personally feel that the US should openly state that their policy should be to also force the remaining non-treaty states into the treaty. this would address several of the worlds' most dangerous hotspots all at once, but of course, this seems unlikely since it is in conflict with at least some shorter term strategic interest . (which I personally believe is pretty absurd, such as letting Israel getting away with the nukes when the US have about as much sway over them as they did over Taiwan and South Korea).

Though I'm not sure why a talk on the navy have been veered towards Iran ;)

[MMC]

I dunno to be honest, there's two competing problems we're seeing.

Let's point out that to different extends one could easily argue that Stalin / Mao / Kim etc were even more crazy then the Iranian Mullahs. Which in most comparison of the things they actually done (not things they said) the Mullahs look like real saints in comparison to those guys. There's significant check and balance within the Iranian's own circle (which is at least partially democratic) and shifts in their policy to believe that they're not really bent on nothing but the destruction of the west.

On the other hand, I think it's generally within the world's interest to try and enforce the NPT (non-proliferation treaty), which Iran is a signatory, of course, if such action was initiated by one of only 4 states in the world that DIDN'T sign / withdrew from the treaty (Israel ... other 3 being India / Pakistan / North Korea) I think we would have a serious case of hypocrosy.

Let's point out that countries like South Korea and Taiwan actually did try to develop nukes in the 60s-80s, but in both cases they were rather directly disposed of by the USA, though not through military means, but rather the CIA simply walked in and poured a gazillion ton of concrete on it while the local government can't risk openly being in conflict with the US.

Personally, I think the US woul be better served to more clearly pull the message back to the fundementals, that they're doing this to enforce the NPT and nothing else (it's quickly getting framed as a geopolitical or even religious struggle, the former is not really in the US's interest while the later is simply absurd), this is one key reason why they must keep Israel out of it. Though I' personally feel that the US should openly state that their policy should be to also force the remaining non-treaty states into the treaty. this would address several of the worlds' most dangerous hotspots all at once, but of course, this seems unlikely since it is in conflict with at least some shorter term strategic interest . (which I personally believe is pretty absurd, such as letting Israel getting away with the nukes when the US have about as much sway over them as they did over Taiwan and South Korea).

Though I'm not sure why a talk on the navy have been veered towards Iran ;)

I believe the course of the discussion changed at Post #49 and then went from there. Which is why I began asking the questions to get some answers and some facts thrown out here concerning Iran.

Pete brought up the issue of capability. Which is always one of the keys in discussing Iran. Obviously Iran affects others over the Oil. Their Threats and their Military again obviously keeping others on their toes and affecting them with whatever those other countries actions are. Whether it be the US or some other country.

[Peter1469]

Iran's navy can at least for a short time close the Straight of Hormuz.

[MMC]

Yeah I know Pete. So to all the rest of our Top people. There is no denying it!

[Peter1469]

I guess the real question is how fast the 5th Fleet can open it back up. And how hard the markets will take it.

[Mister D]

Of course these things would happen if an EMP was used in that fashion. But this is the Iranians we are talking about. They are weak and as the World has seen nothing more than incompetant boobs on when it comes to the big picture of things. They can never get anything right at all.

Plus like I said they havent even figured out to hit Europe or put biological weapons into their ballistic missiles.

Here comes Iran! Watch out! :shocked:

[MMC]

Here comes Iran! Watch out! :shocked:

Know of any other outstanding Naval Ships? U-know something a bit more up to date than what the Iranians could scrounge up. What about those Sunni now? They got to have more than tug-boats.....right?

[Mister D]

Know of any other outstanding Naval Ships? U-know something a bit more up to date than what the Iranians could scrounge up. What about those Sunni now? They got to have more than tug-boats.....right?

What if it's a Shia and Sunni alliance!? And then the French intervene! :shocked:

[MMC]

What if it's a Shia and Sunni alliance!? And then the French intervene! :shocked:

Lets see some of those French Naval Ships.....and please don't include the ones that are lieing on the bottom of the ocean. :laugh:

[Mister D]

Now that Iran has sent in it's mighty fleet what can we do! What can the world do to stop her! :shocked:

[MMC]

Now that Iran has sent in it's mighty fleet what can we do! What can the world do to stop her! :shocked:


I don't know maybe you should talk to your buddy about those nuclear capabilities of Iran. Explain it to him how the Iranians are backward 3rd World Country and incapable of knowing how to affect any others in the big bad world. :laugh:

[Mister D]

I don't know maybe you should talk to your buddy about those nuclear capabilities of Iran. Explain it to him how the Iranians are backward 3rd World Country and incapable of knowing how to affect any others in the big bad world. :laugh:

I can't explain your straw man arguments to other people. Only you can do that. :wink:

[MMC]

I can't explain your straw man arguments to other people. Only you can do that. :wink:

I thought I did pretty good letting Pete explain it. Which I noticed you had no hiccups for him. :wink: :laugh:

[Mister D]

I thought I did pretty good letting Pete explain it. Which I noticed you had no hiccups for him. :wink: :laugh:

Explain what? The potential devastation of a nuclear strike? :laugh: Yeah, I agree with him.

[MMC]

Explain what? The potential devastation of a nuclear strike? :laugh: Yeah, I agree with him.

Well that was just one of the things he explained. Again one of those generally understood things. :rollseyes:

[Mister D]

Well that was just one of the things he explained. Again one of those generally understood things. :rollseyes:

Yes, a nuclear strike from Iran, a Somali terrorist, a French terrorist or an ET would be pretty devastating. That's one of those generally understood things.

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SatSrr2lJOU

The USS Spruance.....Our newest Navy Destroyer, unless they made another since Sept of 2011. It also carries Tomahawk Cruise Missiles.

[RollingWave]

hmmm, i see it has a heli pad but where's it's hanger? I'm assuming that it's not just going to let it hang out in the open at all times...