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Chris
08-26-2013, 02:04 PM
What's wrong with this picture?

http://i.snag.gy/VZxAW.jpg

@ AMERICA’S EDUCATIONAL MADNESS (http://www.sanantonioteaparty.us/americas-educational-madness/)


The solution can't be throw more of other's money at it.

Cigar
08-26-2013, 02:06 PM
Too Fucking Small to Read.

Agravan
08-26-2013, 02:11 PM
Too Fucking Small to Read.
Do you not know how to change your screen resolution, mr programmer?

Cigar
08-26-2013, 02:14 PM
Do you not know how to change your screen resolution, mr programmer?

The Bull-Shit only gets thicker ... :laugh:

The greatest con ever played, the rich convincing the middle class that the poor and minorities are the ones taking all their money.

They are laughing all the way to the bank, this their money. :grin:

Agravan
08-26-2013, 02:19 PM
So you didn't understand what the chart is trying to say, right?

nic34
08-26-2013, 02:45 PM
Yep... Texas sure is leading the charge!

Thirty-five states have reduced education funding since 2008, according to a September 2012 report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://thepoliticalforums.com/www.cbpp.org/‎). Seventeen states cut more than 10%. Under Governor Rick Perry, Texas reduced state funding to public education by a full 25% between 2002 and 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/us-public-schools-budget-crisis

nic34
08-26-2013, 02:49 PM
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3825

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3927

Chris
08-26-2013, 02:56 PM
Yep... Texas sure is leading the charge!

Thirty-five states have reduced education funding since 2008, according to a September 2012 report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://thepoliticalforums.com/www.cbpp.org/‎). Seventeen states cut more than 10%. Under Governor Rick Perry, Texas reduced state funding to public education by a full 25% between 2002 and 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/us-public-schools-budget-crisis

You link goes to a broken link:


Thirty-five states have reduced education funding since 2008, according to a September 2012 report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Seventeen states cut more than 10%. Under Governor Rick Perry, Texas reduced state funding to public education by a full 25% between 2002 and 2012.

zelmo1234
08-26-2013, 03:01 PM
Yep... Texas sure is leading the charge!

Thirty-five states have reduced education funding since 2008, according to a September 2012 report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://thepoliticalforums.com/www.cbpp.org/‎). Seventeen states cut more than 10%. Under Governor Rick Perry, Texas reduced state funding to public education by a full 25% between 2002 and 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/us-public-schools-budget-crisis

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/feb/11/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-texas-has-third-highest-high-schoo/

Ranked 3rd in Graduation rates dramatic improvement?

http://epaa.asu.edu/ojs/article/view/440

And there scores are starting to improve nicely.

Maybe other states should stop pissing away money and start teaching the kids! too?????

Mister D
08-26-2013, 03:02 PM
Yep... Texas sure is leading the charge!

Thirty-five states have reduced education funding since 2008, according to a September 2012 report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://thepoliticalforums.com/www.cbpp.org/‎). Seventeen states cut more than 10%. Under Governor Rick Perry, Texas reduced state funding to public education by a full 25% between 2002 and 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/us-public-schools-budget-crisis

Because we know increased spending improves education! Not.

Agravan
08-26-2013, 03:11 PM
Yep... Texas sure is leading the charge!

Thirty-five states have reduced education funding since 2008, according to a September 2012 report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://thepoliticalforums.com/www.cbpp.org/‎). Seventeen states cut more than 10%. Under Governor Rick Perry, Texas reduced state funding to public education by a full 25% between 2002 and 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/us-public-schools-budget-crisis

When you cut out the waste you're able to cut spending.

nic34
08-26-2013, 03:11 PM
You link goes to a broken link:

See next post....

nic34
08-26-2013, 03:13 PM
When you cut out the waste you're able to cut spending.

Throwing the baby out with the bath water is the common expression.

Chris
08-26-2013, 03:19 PM
See next post....



Not there. Your link goes to an article. In that article is the text I cited. In that text is a link to the source data. The link is broken.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBXn9PptgN8

zelmo1234
08-26-2013, 03:19 PM
Throwing the baby out with the bath water is the common expression.

Except for the fact that the educational system is improving in TX?

You see liberals have been wasting money for so long that they don't know any other way to try and improve things. And tossing good money after bad, never improves things, it just makes them more expensive

Chris
08-26-2013, 03:20 PM
When you cut out the waste you're able to cut spending.


Throwing the baby out with the bath water is the common expression.



Non sequitur. In business efficiency goes hand in hand with effectiveness.

nic34
08-26-2013, 04:10 PM
Not there. Your link goes to an article. In that article is the text I cited. In that text is a link to the source data. The link is broken.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBXn9PptgN8


Dont know what you're talking about. I provided links to Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in my next post because the one in the previous piece was broken.

nic34
08-26-2013, 04:12 PM
Except for the fact that the educational system is improving in TX?


Oh, is that what this shows....?

nic34
08-26-2013, 04:13 PM
Non sequitur. In business efficiency goes hand in hand with effectiveness.

Is educating the masses a business now?

Chris
08-26-2013, 04:16 PM
Dont know what you're talking about. I provided links to Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in my next post because the one in the previous piece was broken.



Nevermind, you've deflected it to the point no one knows what you were talking about.

Chris
08-26-2013, 04:17 PM
Is educating the masses a business now?


Always has been, nic.

nic34
08-26-2013, 04:19 PM
Shouldn't be......

Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful, that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant.

John Adams - Thoughts on Governmnet

patrickt
08-26-2013, 04:23 PM
A. Look for the union label.
B. We all know that the more money you spend, for anything, the better results you get. It's the liberal way as long as they're spending someone else's money.

nic34
08-26-2013, 04:26 PM
Union made means made by someone educated, trained and certified in their field. Not a "field" hand.

Who made your house and car?

Mainecoons
08-26-2013, 04:27 PM
Union made means made by someone educated, trained and certified in their field. Not a "field" hand.

Who made your house and car?

:rofl:

nic34
08-26-2013, 04:30 PM
^^^Example of the Uneducated^^^

Mainecoons
08-26-2013, 04:38 PM
Yeah, shit, couple of college degrees from when you actually had to learn something. For sure, I'm uneducated.

Versus Nic who is clearly incapable of learning anything. For sure, he's uneducable.

:grin:

Chris
08-26-2013, 04:43 PM
Shouldn't be......

Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful, that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant.

John Adams - Thoughts on Governmnet



Nice, twist trying to shift the argument to one about the good of education. No one's against it, nic.

What you're leaving out is Adams and Jefferson and others back then promoted public school at the local level not the federal.

Mainecoons
08-26-2013, 04:45 PM
Stick around, I'm sure that little Nicky is going to post a link detailing the Jefferson/Adams Federal Education Act of 1798.

:grin:

Chris
08-26-2013, 04:54 PM
I've read both Founders in detail. Idea was schools organized, paid for and run at the country level. Some of the funding and other taxes would pay for state universities where those who excelled at the country level could receive a higher education. There was never a consideration of a federal education department--the Constitution grants no power over education to the federal government.

nic34
08-26-2013, 05:54 PM
I've read both Founders in detail. Idea was schools organized, paid for and run at the country level. Some of the funding and other taxes would pay for state universities where those who excelled at the country level could receive a higher education. There was never a consideration of a federal education department--the Constitution grants no power over education to the federal government.

And there was no considering making large profits by private enterprise either. All were welcome to an education no matter their ability to pay.

Even gifted students today are becoming indentured servants.

Chris
08-26-2013, 06:01 PM
And there was no considering making large profits by private enterprise either. All were welcome to an education no matter their ability to pay.

Even gifted students today are becoming indentured servants.


Actually, they said nothing about how the schools would be managed, just that the locals would pay for it. So yes everyone got an initial chance but to move up to any sort of higher education depended entirely on how well you did. It was not expected many would go past basic readin' and writin'.


The loan system was created by none other than our great "educated" government.

Chris
08-26-2013, 06:22 PM
Let's look briefly at the purposes Jefferson saw for education:

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. And to render them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree."

"I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness...Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils [tyranny, oppression, etc.] and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance."

"The objects of this primary eduction determine its character and limits. These objects are To give to every citizen the information he needs for the transaction of his own business; To enable him to calculate for himself, and to express and preserve his ideas, his contracts and accounts, in writing; To improve by reading, his morals and faculties; To understand his duties to his neighbors and country, and to discharge with competence the functions confided to him by either; To know his rights; to exercise with order and justice those he retains; to choose with discretion the fiduciary of those he delegates; and to notice their conduct with diligence, with candor and judgement; And, in general, to observe with intelligence and faithfulness all the social relations under which he shall be placed. To instruct the mass of our citizens in these, their rights, interests and duties, as men and citizens, being then the objects of education in the primary schools, whether privet or public, in them should be taught reading, writing and numerical arithmetic, the elements of mensuration...and the outlines of geography and history."

@ http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/quotations-education


What course today teaches you to protect liberty from tyrannical government, to keep power in society and not give it up to government? For a long time we've been taught the opposite.

patrickt
08-26-2013, 07:15 PM
Union made means made by someone educated, trained and certified in their field. Not a "field" hand.

Who made your house and car?

My house was made by Mr. Raines. My car is a 15-year old Nissan that I bought used so I don't know the fellow that made that. But, I do know who taught my son the the Holocaust never happened. That was Mr. Kiel. He was a history teacher and a proud, damned proud, union man. The union kept him teaching children when he should have been fired.

No, it means made by organized crime. Extortion is their business. Unions have immunity for crimes such as murder, assault, kidnapping, and arson.

Ravi
08-26-2013, 07:34 PM
Yeah, dumbing down everyone is brilliant. Fastest way to get to the bottom of the heap. China is listening.

Mister D
08-26-2013, 07:37 PM
Yeah, dumbing down everyone is brilliant. Fastest way to get to the bottom of the heap. China is listening.

America does just fine when blacks and browns are take into account.

Chris
08-26-2013, 07:44 PM
Yeah, dumbing down everyone is brilliant. Fastest way to get to the bottom of the heap. China is listening.



You got your finger on the problem. Now lift it and you'll see progressive cockroaches scurry away. It moral relativism was exposed in Alan Bloom's 1987 The Closing of the American Mind.

Ravi
08-26-2013, 07:48 PM
You got your finger on the problem. Now lift it and you'll see progressive cockroaches scurry away. It moral relativism was exposed in Alan Bloom's 1987 The Closing of the American Mind.

It'd be nice if you said what you mean instead of throwing around phrases to make yourself look educated. Because obviously, you aren't.

Chris
08-26-2013, 08:36 PM
It'd be nice if you said what you mean instead of throwing around phrases to make yourself look educated. Because obviously, you aren't.



Wow, nice personal insult, marie--iow, you've got nothing to contribute other than expose your character.

zelmo1234
08-26-2013, 08:40 PM
Is educating the masses a business now?

Why yes it is!!!!!

If you don't believe me look at collages? Not in it for the fun of it!

But if you want to turn it into a charity, have the teachers do it for free?

The problem is that if you do not run it like a business, then you have waste. We are spending more on kids than any time in history and the system is falling further and further behind the rest of the world?

And they spend far less than we do? Why is that? Because they hold the children accountable that is why!

zelmo1234
08-26-2013, 08:48 PM
Shouldn't be......

Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful, that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant.

John Adams - Thoughts on Governmnet


You want the lower class to learn, first you make the parents get them to school or you toss them in jail on work details.

Next you hold them accountable and hold them back if they can't preform the work.

Bring back military and boarding schools for those that just want to be trouble makers.

Get rid of tenure so you can get rid of teachers that are there only for a check

And reward only those that are hi

Chris
08-26-2013, 08:59 PM
And there was no considering making large profits by private enterprise either. All were welcome to an education no matter their ability to pay.

Even gifted students today are becoming indentured servants.


Education for Profit (http://reason.com/archives/2008/07/03/education-for-profit):


By many measures, the University of Phoenix is the most successful institution for higher education in American history. With more than 325,000 students currently enrolled—22 times the number at the University of Chicago—Phoenix is vast, and contains multitudes. On campuses scattered across 39 states, and online as well, it offers everything from associate's degrees in sports management to Spanish-language MBAs. And unlike most universities, Phoenix makes a hefty profit. Its parent company, the Apollo Group, produced margins of 11.7 percent last year on revenue of $2.9 billion. What began in 1976 as a small night school where firemen and policemen between shifts completed unfinished bachelor's degrees is now an educational and commercial powerhouse listed on NASDAQ, with a market capitalization of $7.4 billion.

...

But much of what academic traditionalists see as problems, Phoenix advertises proudly as solutions. The university aims to meet underserved demand for post-secondary education, tailor-made to fit the individual circumstances of harried adults. Like other for-profit schools such as DeVry and ITT, Phoenix offers the educational equivalent of a subprime mortgage: not the best product the industry has to offer, but a potentially valuable option for people who might not otherwise get into a desired market.

...


Private education, nic, can have the same goals as public education. But instead of losing money--wasting other people's money--it can be profitable,.

patrickt
08-27-2013, 06:45 AM
You want the lower class to learn, first you make the parents get them to school or you toss them in jail on work details.

Next you hold them accountable and hold them back if they can't preform the work.

Bring back military and boarding schools for those that just want to be trouble makers.

Get rid of tenure so you can get rid of teachers that are there only for a check

And reward only those that are hi

And, do away with public sector unions. If teachers or police officers or firemen want a raise, let them appeal to the public and not to the itinerant managers passing through.