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paul alan
09-08-2013, 09:18 PM
www.realclearpolitics.com



And Obama has forced this 14% Congress to make a decision?



:kermit:

Chris
09-08-2013, 09:21 PM
Odd, realclearpolitics.com says 43.8% and still in a nose dive since his re-election:

http://snag.gy/w9Phz.jpg

paul alan
09-08-2013, 09:31 PM
A 14% Congress and a 48% President ....

Guess who wins every time!


:kermit:

keymanjim
09-08-2013, 10:02 PM
A 14% Congress and a 48% President ....

Guess who wins every time!


:kermit:
Congress is not one person, retard.

AmazonTania
09-08-2013, 10:13 PM
A 14% Congress and a 48% President ....

Guess who wins every time!


:kermit:

Historically, all US Presidents have had higher approval ratings than Congress. That's really nothing special.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/08/gallup congress 2.gif

ptif219
09-08-2013, 10:46 PM
A 14% Congress and a 48% President ....

Guess who wins every time!


:kermit:
Where do you get 48%? The average is 43.8% Can you ever post without exaggerating to make Obama look good?

Dr. Who
09-08-2013, 10:56 PM
Congress is not one person, retard.

Violation of rule number 1. Please do not name call

keymanjim
09-08-2013, 10:59 PM
Violation of rule number 1. Please do not name call
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/tumblr_lhloxgf74H1qaxxvao1_400_zps966e30af.gif (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/keymanjim/media/tumblr_lhloxgf74H1qaxxvao1_400_zps966e30af.gif.htm l)

BB-35
09-08-2013, 11:11 PM
Bloody peasants!

Common
09-09-2013, 06:18 AM
He is correct stating 48%.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove (see trends (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Cigar
09-09-2013, 06:47 AM
Congress is not one person, retard.

Guess witch one is looking to get re-elected. :wink:

patrickt
09-09-2013, 06:53 AM
A president will get his party faithfuls even if he's caught in bed with two underage boys. If he's black, he gets an affirmative action bonus. If he's on the far-left he'll get some of those, too. Congress doesn't get the party faithful or the affirmative action bonus. They have gotten the far-left vote when Pelosi and Reid were riding roughshod over the country and giggling about it.

Cigar
09-09-2013, 06:56 AM
http://www.kernel.dk/smallest-violin.jpg

Mainecoons
09-09-2013, 07:12 AM
Couple of comments.

"Retard" is a description of a mental impairment. I'll leave it to the reader after reviewing the posting on this board of the person so described as to whether that is an accurate diagnosis.

One of the symptoms of that condition is an inability to learn once shown the incorrectness of a statement or position. For example, the thread starter raised this same point previously and it was explained to him why these polling numbers do not accurately describe the situation.

So here it is again, as explained by Gallup and accurately reported by me previously:

http://theweek.com/article/index/244008/if-congress-is-so-unpopular-why-do-lawmakers-keep-getting-re-elected


Here's Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-own-representative.aspx) with some possible explanations:Paradoxically, many Americans actually approve of the job their own district's congressional representative is doing. And those who say they know the name of their representative are even more likely to be positive about that individual's work. This may involve basically nonlegislative ways representatives benefit their districts, such as helping their constituents deal with the federal bureaucracy or bringing federal money back to the district to fund projects that benefit the local economy. Also, in an era when district borders are often drawn specifically to benefit one of the parties, many representatives are likely to be politically in tune with their districts.
Thus, when thinking about Congress as a whole, Americans are nearly as sour as they have ever been, but when they think just about their own representative, they feel much better about the job that person is doing. [Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-own-representative.aspx)]
That helps explain why incumbents do so well, even when Congress as a whole is less popular than, say, cockroaches or Nickelback. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/congress-approval-rating-nickelback-cockroaches_n_2435601.html)

Cigar
09-09-2013, 07:18 AM
I also approve of Congress ... keep doing the same thing, and the same results are assured. :occasion14:



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slow something down: to slow or delay the progress of something
slowing of tempo: in music, a slowing down of a previously quick tempo
offensive term: an offensive term that deliberately insults somebody with a learning disability or somebody regarded as unintelligent

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Mainecoons
09-09-2013, 07:27 AM
That's great. Tell us, do you understand what Gallup is trying to explain to you? Or do you fit the third definition of the word like someone else in this thread?

If the Republicans are retarding the Obama agenda, that is what they were elected to do. We'll see shortly just how serious they are about it when they take this Syria vote. Unlike the Democrats, whose main reason for allowing this disaster of a leader to get involved in another useless foreign military misadventure is that they need to "support" Obama, the Republicans have no such excuse.

I've informed my district's representatives that, although I am not a single issue voter, on this issue I am going to be. Vote yes on Syria, you will get a no vote from me regardless of party label.

Mainecoons
09-09-2013, 07:38 AM
The country is unified on this:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


While more than eight in 10 say that it's likely or certain that the Syrian government used chemical weapons, nearly seven in 10 say that it's not in the U.S. national interest to get involved in Syria's civil war. And more than seven in 10 say that airstrikes would not achieve significant goals for the U.S.

And CNN's polls over-weight liberals. That makes these results even more significant.

Cigar
09-09-2013, 07:41 AM
That's great. Tell us, do you understand what Gallup is trying to explain to you? Or do you fit the third definition of the word like someone else in this thread?

If the Republicans are retarding the Obama agenda, that is what they were elected to do. We'll see shortly just how serious they are about it when they take this Syria vote. Unlike the Democrats, whose main reason for allowing this disaster of a leader to get involved in another useless foreign military misadventure is that they need to "support" Obama, the Republicans have no such excuse.

I've informed my district's representatives that, although I am not a single issue voter, on this issue I am going to be. Vote yes on Syria, you will get a no vote from me regardless of party label.

Let's remember that ... if a Republican is ever elected President again, which I highly doubt that will happen in the next decade ... and I don't what to here the phrases "Cut-n-Run" or "UN-American" again. :wink:

Cigar
09-09-2013, 07:42 AM
The country is unified on this:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



And CNN's polls over-weight liberals. That makes these results even more significant.


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My My how Republicans outlook changed ... ironic isn't it? :laugh:

Chris
09-09-2013, 08:13 AM
He is correct stating 48%.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove (see trends (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



He's incorrect, he claimed RCP was reporting 48% and RPC is not. Looking only at Rasmussen is cherry picking. RCP averages all the pools.

43.8% http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

bladimz
09-09-2013, 09:41 AM
Couple of comments.

"Retard" is a description of a mental impairment. I'll leave it to the reader after reviewing the posting on this board of the person so described as to whether that is an accurate diagnosis.Such a diagnosis is best made by through clinical evaluation, and not the sniping of a fellow poster, who for all we know might be suffering the same condition. Just saying.

Chris
09-09-2013, 10:11 AM
Couple of comments.

"Retard" is a description of a mental impairment. I'll leave it to the reader after reviewing the posting on this board of the person so described as to whether that is an accurate diagnosis.

One of the symptoms of that condition is an inability to learn once shown the incorrectness of a statement or position. For example, the thread starter raised this same point previously and it was explained to him why these polling numbers do not accurately describe the situation.

So here it is again, as explained by Gallup and accurately reported by me previously:

http://theweek.com/article/index/244008/if-congress-is-so-unpopular-why-do-lawmakers-keep-getting-re-elected




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Or like another to-remain-nameless DNC operative on some to-remain-nameless forum who keeps repeating Reid's lie about Bush losing 8 million jobs.

Chris
09-09-2013, 10:17 AM
Such a diagnosis is best made by through clinical evaluation, and not the sniping of a fellow poster, who for all we know might be suffering the same condition. Just saying.



Hey, blad, ever hear of a self-annihilating sentence?

patrickt
09-09-2013, 10:54 AM
Guess witch one is looking to get re-elected. :wink:

The only witch who comes to mind would be Nancy Pelosi.

bladimz
09-09-2013, 11:17 AM
Hey, blad, ever hear of a self-annihilating sentence?Oops! Can't get anything by you, you sly dog.

I guess a public appreciates the comparatively non-obstructive acts of the POTUS.

paul alan
09-09-2013, 12:30 PM
Congress approval today:

...Gallup 14%

...Economist 11%


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

Gallup polls just once a month on Congress - I'm sure they're thinking 'why waste our time and money?'



:laugh:

paul alan
09-09-2013, 12:35 PM
Historically, all US Presidents have had higher approval ratings than Congress. That's really nothing special.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/08/gallup congress 2.gif



If you overlay Clinton's, Bush's and Obama's approvals on your chart you might conclude otherwise.

More surprising would be to compare the Democrat and Republican Congressional approvals.


:)

ptif219
09-09-2013, 01:29 PM
He is correct stating 48%.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove (see trends (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


He used Real Clear Politics and their average is 43.8%

Mainecoons
09-09-2013, 01:32 PM
Congress approval today:

...Gallup 14%

...Economist 11%


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

Gallup polls just once a month on Congress - I'm sure they're thinking 'why waste our time and money?'



:laugh:

Do you think that if you continue to ignore/run away from the information I posted on that, it will make you look smarter?

Or does it make you look dumb?

Chris
09-09-2013, 01:37 PM
Historically, all US Presidents have had higher approval ratings than Congress. That's really nothing special.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/08/gallup congress 2.gif


If you overlay Clinton's, Bush's and Obama's approvals on your chart you might conclude otherwise.

More surprising would be to compare the Democrat and Republican Congressional approvals.


:)


So you're saying, paul, that if we overlay Obama, Bush, Clinton, that that will show amazon's claim "all US Presidents have had higher approval ratings than Congress." Huh? It would show us nothing of the kind. She's right, you're wrong.

What we do find if we take your suggestion is, discounting the effects of 9/11, they rank Clinton, Bush, Obama:

http://i.snag.gy/243HR.jpg

@ http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx

Chris
09-09-2013, 01:39 PM
Do you think that if you continue to ignore/run away from the information I posted on that, it will make you look smarter?

Or does it make you look dumb?



You, ptf, I have debunked that. he sees what he wants to see.

paul alan
09-09-2013, 01:48 PM
He used Real Clear Politics and their average is 43.8%


tea party has taught us that Rasmussen is the only reliable poll ...

We only refer to reliable polls.


:)

Mainecoons
09-09-2013, 01:49 PM
3910

nic34
09-09-2013, 01:50 PM
Razzmatazz had Romney as winner.... a little bias going on there? :laugh: No wonder the righties here don't cite them....

Mainecoons
09-09-2013, 01:52 PM
We don't cite them because, unlike you, we understand that polls need to be looked in the aggregate, filtering out the obviously slanted ones, to get a clear picture.

Your superficial way of looking at things keeps you limited to the Daily Kos and similar biased trash. Which is why you look silly here constantly.

nic34
09-09-2013, 01:54 PM
3910


You think ridicule with big pics will make them go away? :laugh:

nic34
09-09-2013, 01:58 PM
We don't cite them because, unlike you, we understand that polls need to be looked in the aggregate, filtering out the obviously slanted ones, to get a clear picture.

Your superficial way of looking at things keeps you limited to the Daily Kos and similar biased trash. Which is why you look silly here constantly.

So you ARE entitled to your own facts.... gottcha. :loco:

ptif219
09-09-2013, 02:07 PM
tea party has taught us that Rasmussen is the only reliable poll ...

We only refer to reliable polls.


:)


The OP used rea clear politics. You are grasping at straws to make a false point

Chris
09-09-2013, 02:15 PM
So you ARE entitled to your own facts.... gottcha. :loco:



What about paul with his fact RealClearPolitics said 48% approval when it didn't, it said 43.8%?

nic34
09-09-2013, 02:18 PM
What about paul with his fact RealClearPolitics said 48% approval when it didn't, it said 43.8%?


So what? We're bickering about what, a silly 4% ?

ptif219
09-09-2013, 02:24 PM
So what? We're bickering about what, a silly 4% ?


Funny how it does matter now but if it was a GOP you would make it a big deal

nic34
09-09-2013, 02:27 PM
Funny, but I don't care either way....

Dr. Who
09-09-2013, 10:24 PM
The country is unified on this:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



And CNN's polls over-weight liberals. That makes these results even more significant.


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What does uninformed public opinion matter? Either it can be proven that Assad used the weapons or not. At the end of the day over 100,000 + people have died in Syria of various war related causes. Either that is worth intervention or it is not. If not, I'm not quite sure why we make distinctions between killing by blowing people up, shooting them or through chemical warfare. None of it is humane. They all suffer and they all die. Chemical warfare is perhaps less discriminating but so is collateral damage from bombing areas where civilians live. Is it better that a baby be blown apart or die from inhaling chemicals - it is all horrible beyond belief. All of this killing is being aided and abetted by first world powers and it needs to stop so that the people of the ME can decide for themselves what kind of government they want. The first world cannot keep playing with these people like they are toys, to be discarded or destroyed when they are no longer useful.

ptif219
09-10-2013, 12:47 AM
What does uninformed public opinion matter? Either it can be proven that Assad used the weapons or not. At the end of the day over 100,000 + people have died in Syria of various war related causes. Either that is worth intervention or it is not. If not, I'm not quite sure why we make distinctions between killing by blowing people up, shooting them or through chemical warfare. None of it is humane. They all suffer and they all die. Chemical warfare is perhaps less discriminating but so is collateral damage from bombing areas where civilians live. Is it better that a baby be blown apart or die from inhaling chemicals - it is all horrible beyond belief. All of this killing is being aided and abetted by first world powers and it needs to stop so that the people of the ME can decide for themselves what kind of government they want. The first world cannot keep playing with these people like they are toys, to be discarded or destroyed when they are no longer useful.


Did you use that argument when we went to iraq?

paul alan
09-10-2013, 09:34 AM
Today, it seems our 48% President has once again, made fools of this 14% Congress.

Republicans have retreated to their corner of the schoolyard after a nasty whipping - to lick their wounds and rationalize this beating that was easily forecast.


:)

Chris
09-10-2013, 09:38 AM
Today, it seems our 48% President has once again, made fools of this 14% Congress.

Republicans have retreated to their corner of the schoolyard after a nasty whipping - to lick their wounds and rationalize this beating that was easily forecast.


:)



Do you like to be wrong?

You claimed RealClearPolitics had Obama at 48% approval. That has been shown wrong. RCP showed him at 43.8%. Yet you repeat the wrong info.

In fact today he has dropped to 43.6%:

http://i.snag.gy/RC5T0.jpg

I predict you will repeat the wrong info again...

paul alan
09-10-2013, 09:41 AM
What does uninformed public opinion matter? Either it can be proven that Assad used the weapons or not. At the end of the day over 100,000 + people have died in Syria of various war related causes. Either that is worth intervention or it is not. If not, I'm not quite sure why we make distinctions between killing by blowing people up, shooting them or through chemical warfare. None of it is humane. They all suffer and they all die. Chemical warfare is perhaps less discriminating but so is collateral damage from bombing areas where civilians live. Is it better that a baby be blown apart or die from inhaling chemicals - it is all horrible beyond belief. All of this killing is being aided and abetted by first world powers and it needs to stop so that the people of the ME can decide for themselves what kind of government they want. The first world cannot keep playing with these people like they are toys, to be discarded or destroyed when they are no longer useful.

Nice thought.

We have known dictators who have used one, several, or all of the above.

George Bush, a democratic President, caused the death of over 1 million Iraqis through collateral damages, and the death and wounding of 400,000 American soldiers on the battlefield.

It's what leaders do - with military power.

For the immediate, there is a violation of the International Agreement against the use of poison gases - that needs to be dealt with.

ptif219
09-10-2013, 09:53 AM
Today, it seems our 48% President has once again, made fools of this 14% Congress.

Republicans have retreated to their corner of the schoolyard after a nasty whipping - to lick their wounds and rationalize this beating that was easily forecast.


:)


You have that wrong. It is Putin that whipped Obama showing Obama knows nothing about being a leader. Obama is incompetent and has a plan with no boots on the ground to secure the chemical weapons. Does this mean Obama would allow Al Qaeda to take control of these weapons?

Cigar
09-10-2013, 09:54 AM
:grin: Guess who's getting what they want?

paul alan
09-10-2013, 09:57 AM
Remember, Republicans are dealing with the President who killed the al Qaeda leader - Osama bin Laden.

He is not frightened by idle threats and phony bravado .... certainly not by a 14% Congress.


:)

ptif219
09-10-2013, 09:59 AM
:grin: Guess who's getting what they want?


Obama is. Putin gave Obama a way out of his wrong headed war threats

ptif219
09-10-2013, 10:01 AM
Remember, Republicans are dealing with the President who killed the al Qaeda leader - Osama bin Laden.

He is not frightened by idle threats and phony bravado .... certainly not by a 14% Congress.


:)


Obama killed no one. I thought Obama was playing spades

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/15/20036437-president-obama-played-cards-with-aide-on-day-seals-killed-bin-laden?lite

Chris
09-10-2013, 10:13 AM
Obama killed no one. I thought Obama was playing spades

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/15/20036437-president-obama-played-cards-with-aide-on-day-seals-killed-bin-laden?lite



Bush made him do it. It's Bush's fault.

Chris
09-10-2013, 01:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cVPS_qdbBmI

Chris
09-10-2013, 01:34 PM
Do you like to be wrong?

You claimed RealClearPolitics had Obama at 48% approval. That has been shown wrong. RCP showed him at 43.8%. Yet you repeat the wrong info.

In fact today he has dropped to 43.6%:

http://i.snag.gy/RC5T0.jpg

I predict you will repeat the wrong info again...



Once RCP averages this in his approval rating will drop even further...

http://i.snag.gy/zEn2K.jpg

paul alan
09-10-2013, 01:44 PM
You don't post Congress' 14% approval?

Wonder why?


:laugh:

nic34
09-10-2013, 01:49 PM
You don't post Congress' 14% approval?

Wonder why?


:laugh:


He's not a republican, why does he post ANYTHING?

paul alan
09-10-2013, 02:16 PM
September 10, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
43.5 Approve
51.1 Disapprove

Spread -7.6





September 10, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
41.3 Approve
53.7 Disapprove

Spread -12.4

Chris
09-10-2013, 02:19 PM
You don't post Congress' 14% approval?

Wonder why?


:laugh:


Already said it sucks.

Why don't you post direction of country, huh, huh?

Point of fact, our government sucks. You want to blame Reps and Resp want to blame Dems.

http://snag.gy/fWri8.jpg

Chris
09-10-2013, 02:21 PM
September 10, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
43.5 Approve
51.1 Disapprove

Spread -7.6





September 10, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
41.3 Approve
53.7 Disapprove

Spread -12.4
















See, now he's at 43.5%. Nose dive.

And then let's look at your cherry picking, you must have picked the only two points at which that was true:

http://i.snag.gy/243HR.jpg

ptif219
09-10-2013, 02:29 PM
You don't post Congress' 14% approval?

Wonder why?


:laugh:


Congress us doing nothing because of Reid

ptif219
09-10-2013, 02:30 PM
September 10, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
43.5 Approve
51.1 Disapprove
Spread -7.6





September 10, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
41.3 Approve
53.7 Disapprove
Spread -12.4
















Look Obama has almost caught Bush and Bush was in 2 wars

ptif219
09-10-2013, 02:33 PM
See, now he's at 43.5%. Nose dive.

And then let's look at your cherry picking, you must have picked the only two points at which that was true:

http://i.snag.gy/243HR.jpg


Here is congress when the democrats controlled both houses and the whitehouse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123491/approval-congress-falls-21-driven-democrats.aspx


Americans' approval of the job Congress is doing is at 21% this month, down significantly from last month's 31% and from the recent high of 39% in March.

paul alan
09-10-2013, 02:42 PM
Right Direction Wrong Direction

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm



Read carefully .....

Chris
09-10-2013, 02:47 PM
Right Direction Wrong Direction

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm



Read carefully .....




Easy enough to see:

http://i.snag.gy/wnyz0.jpg



But you're arguing apples and oranges The president is supposed to represent all of us, congress critters only their local constituents. So while the country disapproves of them in general, each locality follows Fenno's Homestyle rule and re-elects. (See http://wikisum.com/w/Fenno:_Homestyle)

paul alan
09-10-2013, 03:01 PM
Right Direction Wrong Direction

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm



Read carefully .....


Very carefully .... or you might miss Bush's 11% Right Direction in September, 2007




:rulez:

paul alan
09-10-2013, 03:10 PM
September 10, 2013



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg

43.5 Approve
51.1 Disapprove

Spread -7.6







September 10, 2005



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg

41.3 Approve
53.7 Disapprove

Spread -12.4


















To be fair, Bush was at the top of his crash .....



:blob8:

paul alan
09-10-2013, 04:31 PM
But you're arguing apples and oranges The president is supposed to represent all of us, congress critters only their local constituents. So while the country disapproves of them in general, each locality follows Fenno's Homestyle rule and re-elects. (See http://wikisum.com/w/Fenno:_Homestyle)

I'm not arguing anything, you are comparing Congress approval to Direction.

So really, Boehner's gang shouldn't constantly be invoking the "American people" - who give GOP in Congress a 14% approval - to argue his right wing agenda .... he should talk about "my District" - who voted these scags back into Congress.


:blob8:

Chris
09-10-2013, 04:41 PM
Right Direction Wrong Direction

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm



Read carefully .....


Very carefully .... or you might miss Bush's 11% Right Direction in September, 2007




:rulez:


I'm not arguing anything, you are comparing Congress approval to Direction.

So really, Boehner's gang shouldn't constantly be invoking the "American people" - who give GOP in Congress a 14% approval - to argue his right wing agenda .... he should talk about "my District" - who voted these scags back into Congress.


:blob8:

Yes you are.


you are comparing Congress approval to Direction

No, I compared Presidential and Congressional approval rating as apples and oranges where Congress follows Fenno's Homestyle rule and President does not.


Try and get something right.

paul alan
09-10-2013, 04:49 PM
You need a friend son .....


:)

Dr. Who
09-10-2013, 05:05 PM
Did you use that argument when we went to iraq?

I did not support the war in Iraq.

nic34
09-10-2013, 05:11 PM
I did not support the war in Iraq.

But it's amazing how many did before they finally woke up. Now those that supported it beginning to end it are hard to find.

.... pretty much like that about Vietnam.....

Mainecoons
09-10-2013, 05:21 PM
I freely admit I'm one of the people who got taken in on this one. The difference between me and you is that I know when I'm wrong, I learn from my mistakes and I admit them.

Try it, you'll like it. It is call growing and learning from reality and observation.

ptif219
09-10-2013, 06:03 PM
Very carefully .... or you might miss Bush's 11% Right Direction in September, 2007




:rulez:

Imagine that right after democrats took back congress

ptif219
09-10-2013, 06:04 PM
I did not support the war in Iraq.


That does not answer the question

Ransom
09-11-2013, 08:49 AM
I did not support the war in Iraq.

Senator Obama did.

Ransom
09-11-2013, 08:51 AM
And Obama has forced this 14% Congress to make a decision?

By making a red line statement, claiming then that it wasn't his red line.....then handing it all over to Congress revealing his weak character while the Russians and Assad....throw our President around like a seal carcass being played with by Orcas.

Chris
09-11-2013, 09:04 AM
I freely admit I'm one of the people who got taken in on this one. The difference between me and you is that I know when I'm wrong, I learn from my mistakes and I admit them.

Try it, you'll like it. It is call growing and learning from reality and observation.



What I recall, and this was way back on RV.Net, Around the Campfire, is a bunch of us had a long, involved discussion of the matter related to Just War Theory. I was against up to that point. But invading Iraq at the time did fit Just War Theory criteria, so I admitted I was wrong and went along. I'm not so sure it still doesn't fit.

Syria just doesn't measure up to Just War Theory criteria.

Chris
09-11-2013, 02:44 PM
Back to topic, Obama improved his approval rating, from yesterday's 43.6% to a whopping 43.7% today. :blob1: < Kermit's excited.

ptif219
09-11-2013, 05:31 PM
Back to topic, Obama improved his approval rating, from yesterday's 43.6% to a whopping 43.7% today. :blob1: < Kermit's excited.


Have you seen this where people think Obama is worse on foreign policy that Bush

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/11/Poll-Obama-Worse-than-Bush-on-Foreign-Policy



A new poll has found a majority of Americans believe that President Barack Obama's handling of foreign policy is worse than or no better than President George W. Bush.The poll also found that 74% of Americans believe military strikes against Syria would be "unwise," and nearly half of the country feels that Washington's permanent political class wants military action more than they do.
According (http://reason.com/poll/2013/09/10/reason-rupe-september-2013-national-surv) to a Reason-Rupe poll, "64 percent of Americans, including 68 percent of independents and 41 percent of Democrats, believe President Obama" is as bad as or worse than Bush on foreign policy.

Chris
09-11-2013, 06:48 PM
Have you seen this where people think Obama is worse on foreign policy that Bush

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/11/Poll-Obama-Worse-than-Bush-on-Foreign-Policy


Yep. Obama has been quite feckless on foreign policy.

paul alan
09-12-2013, 01:03 PM
September 12, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
43.5 Approve
51.1 Disapprove

Spread -7.6





September 12, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6

Chris
09-12-2013, 02:59 PM
September 12, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
43.5 Approve
51.1 Disapprove

Spread -7.6





September 12, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6






http://i.snag.gy/EfnOI.jpg

Chris
09-12-2013, 03:01 PM
Back to topic, Obama improved his approval rating, from yesterday's 43.6% to a whopping 43.7% today. :blob1: < Kermit's excited.



And today he's down again, 43.5% @ RCP. Overall, he's trending down, paul, you know what trendlines are, don't you?

paul alan
09-14-2013, 09:12 AM
September 13, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
43.5 Approve
51.0 Disapprove

Spread -7.5





September 13, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6

Chris
09-14-2013, 09:30 AM
No change today:

RCP POLL AVERAGES
President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve 43.5
Disapprove 51.0
Spread -7.5

paul alan
09-14-2013, 09:47 AM
September 13, 2013



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg

43.5 Approve51.0 Disapprove

Spread -7.5







September 13, 2005



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg

42.7 Approve53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6









Bush?Bush who?


:blob1:

Chris
09-14-2013, 10:01 AM
http://i.snag.gy/7EmcZ.jpg

paul alan
09-14-2013, 10:12 AM
Bush?Bush who?

The Bush who had 11% of the country believing the U.S. was going in the right direction?


:blob1:
:blob1:

paul alan
09-15-2013, 02:10 PM
Rasmussen, the tea party man, has Obama at 47% today.

Not bad, eh?






September 14, 2013



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg

43.5 Approve
50.9 Disapprove

Spread -7.4







September 14, 2005



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg

42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6

Mainecoons
09-15-2013, 02:33 PM
3966

Boris The Animal
09-15-2013, 02:34 PM
3966Thanks a lot, Maine! Now that image will be seared into my memory forever!!! :D

Chris
09-15-2013, 02:37 PM
Rasmussen, the tea party man, has Obama at 47% today.

Not bad, eh?






September 14, 2013



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg

43.5 Approve
50.9 Disapprove

Spread -7.4







September 14, 2005



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg

42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6









And Gallup at 44%. And...

President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve 43.5
Disapprove 50.9
Spread -7.4

Chris
09-15-2013, 02:38 PM
Obama's tracking dead even with Bush.

http://i.snag.gy/lDtPt.jpg

Bush was bad, Obama more of the same.

Boris The Animal
09-15-2013, 02:39 PM
Obama's tracking dead even with Bush.

http://i.snag.gy/lDtPt.jpg

Bush was bad, Obama more of the same.
Know what that means? Democrats are in deep shit and we can expect a Republican admin next go around. Hopefully, the GOP will get their heads out of their asses this time, but I won't hold my breath.

paul alan
09-15-2013, 02:50 PM
Rasmussen, the tea party man, has Obama at 47% today.

Not bad, eh?






September 14, 2013



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg

43.5 Approve
50.9 Disapprove

Spread -7.4







September 14, 2005



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg

42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6









No, not bad at all!


:blondemoment:

Chris
09-15-2013, 03:17 PM
No, not bad at all!


:blondemoment:

Yea, I'd say, you're having a blonde moment. How's the space between those ears?

Chris
09-15-2013, 03:18 PM
Know what that means? Democrats are in deep shit and we can expect a Republican admin next go around. Hopefully, the GOP will get their heads out of their asses this time, but I won't hold my breath.

Not much hope at all...

http://snag.gy/fWri8.jpg

paul alan
09-15-2013, 04:01 PM
Rasmussen, the tea party man, has Obama at 47% today.

Not bad, eh?





September 14, 2013



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg

43.5 Approve
50.9 Disapprove

Spread -7.4







September 14, 2005



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg

42.7 Approve
53.3 Disapprove

Spread -10.6







:blondemoment:


Gotta love that Rassy!

eh?


:)

Chris
09-15-2013, 04:04 PM
Gotta love that Rassy!

eh?


:)


http://i.snag.gy/Le9St.jpg


Now Einstein, he could have told you a lot about that space between your ears.

paul alan
09-15-2013, 04:06 PM
.... Hopefully, the GOP will get their heads out of their asses this time, but I won't hold my breath.

Don't, Republicans are much more comfortable with their heads up their asses ...


:douchebag:

Boris The Animal
09-15-2013, 04:07 PM
Don't, Republicans are much more comfortable with their heads up their asses ...


:douchebag:Takes one to know one. You'll be bawling your eyes out and screaming "fraud" when the GOP candidate humiliates Her royal thighness in '16.

paul alan
09-15-2013, 06:17 PM
:tinfoil:

paul alan
09-16-2013, 07:02 PM
Rasmussen again today at 47% Obama ....

Solid ....


:)

Mainecoons
09-16-2013, 07:03 PM
Just for you Paul:

3978

Chris
09-16-2013, 07:34 PM
Rasmussen again today at 47% Obama ....

Solid ....


:)

And putting that cherry back in the bunch...

RCP POLL AVERAGES
President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve 43.6
Disapprove 50.9
Spread -7.3

paul alan
09-17-2013, 04:53 PM
Rasmussen today at 48% Obama.

Consistent.


:)

Chris
09-17-2013, 04:59 PM
RCP POLL AVERAGES
President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve 44.0
Disapprove 50.6
Spread -6.6


Within that average is a Reuters/Ipsos that gives Obama an approval rating of 39% and Rasmussen 48%. Cherry picking is irrational.

nic34
09-17-2013, 05:00 PM
Polls..... really?

Chris
09-17-2013, 05:02 PM
Polls..... really?

Yo have a point there. Another thread around here shows how merely changing verbiage biases the results.

paul alan
09-17-2013, 05:10 PM
Polls?

Republicans don't need polls .... they know where they are ... 14%


:laugh:

paul alan
09-17-2013, 05:11 PM
heh heh ......






September 17, 2013


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_obama.jpg
44.0 Approve
50.6 Disapprove

Spread -6.6





September 17, 2005


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/icon_bush.jpg
42.0 Approve
54.4 Disapprove

Spread -12.4

Mainecoons
09-17-2013, 06:05 PM
during the four years that marked president barack obama’s first term in office, the real median income of american households dropped by $2,627 and the number of people on poverty increased by approximately 6,667,000, according to data released today (http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p60-245.pdf) by the census bureau.the record total of approximately 46,496,000 people in the united states who are now in poverty, according to the census bureau, is more than twice the population of syria, which, according to the cia (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html), has 22,457,336 people.
- see more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-obama-s-1st-term-real-median-income-down-2627-people-poverty#sthash.p5r6ojqc.dpuf

paul alan
09-17-2013, 07:08 PM
Bush's "Great Recession" was real .... very real ....


:(

Chris
09-17-2013, 07:15 PM
Bush's "Great Recession" was real .... very real ....


:(


And we still stuck in Obamolasses Recovery.

paul alan
09-17-2013, 08:06 PM
The Republicans who destroyed the economy insist: "Trust me...."

Of course ....


:rofl:

zelmo1234
09-17-2013, 08:51 PM
Bush's "Great Recession" was real .... very real ....


:(

Maybe you could help me with those Bush policies that caused the Great Recession again? I seem to have forgotten them?

zelmo1234
09-17-2013, 08:52 PM
The Republicans who destroyed the economy insist: "Trust me...."

Of course ....


:rofl:

Do you drink before you post or smoke Crack?

Peter1469
09-17-2013, 09:07 PM
The Republicans who destroyed the economy insist: "Trust me...."

Of course ....


:rofl:


Link.

ptif219
09-18-2013, 12:07 AM
Bush's "Great Recession" was real .... very real ....


:(

It was not a great recession that is Obama talking points

Mainecoons
09-18-2013, 07:35 AM
Paul is right and this proves it!

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