A Child Walks to School.

[Cigar]

Happy Birthday!

Ruby Bridges is 59 today.

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Born on September 8, 1954, in Tylertown, Mississippi, Ruby Bridges was 6 when she became the first African-American child to integrate a white Southern elementary school, having to be escorted to class by her mother and U.S. marshals due to violent mobs. Bridges’ bravery paved the way for continued Civil Rights action and she’s shared her story with future generations in educational forums.

When Ruby and the federal marshals arrived at the school, large crowds of people were gathered in front yelling and throwing objects. There were barricades set up, and policemen were everywhere. Ruby, in her innocence,first believed it was like a Mardi Gras celebration. When she entered the school under the protection of the federal marshals, she was immediately escorted to the principal's office and spent the entire day there. The chaos outside, and the fact that nearly all the white parents at the school had kept their children home, meant classes weren't going to be held.

Ostracized at School

On her second day, the circumstances were much the same as the first, and for a while it looked like Ruby Bridges wouldn't be able to attend class. Only one teacher, Barbara Henry, agreed to teach Ruby. She was from Boston and a new teacher to the school. "Mrs. Henry," as Ruby would call her even as an adult, greeted her with open arms. Ruby was the only student in Henry's class, because parents pulled or threatened to pull their children from Ruby's class and send them to other schools. For a full year, Henry and Ruby sat side-by-side at two desks working on Ruby's lessons. She was very loving and supportive of Ruby, helping her not only with her studies, but also the difficult experience of being ostracized.

Ruby Bridges's first few weeks at Frantz School were not easy ones. Several times she was confronted with blatant racism in full view of her federal escorts. On her second day of school, a woman threatened to poison her. After this, the federal marshals allowed her to only eat food from home. On another day, she was "greeted" by a woman displaying a black doll in a wooden coffin. Ruby's mother kept encouraging her to be strong and pray while entering the school, which Ruby discovered reduced the vehemence of the insults yelled at her and gave her courage. She spent her entire day, every day, in Mrs. Henry's classroom, not allowed to go to the cafeteria or out to recess to be with other students in the school. When she had to go to the restroom, the federal marshals walked her down the hall. Several years later, federal marshal Charles Burks, one of her escorts, commented with some pride that Ruby showed a lot of courage. She never cried or whimpered. "She just marched along like a little soldier."

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http://www.biography.com/people/ruby-bridges-475426?page=2

[Perianne]

Nice story, Cigar. Blacks were treated terribly.

I'm new here. Are you black?

[Cigar]

Yes I am ... :wink:

.... and just as a matter of perspective ... 1960 was only 53 years ago, when just something we all take for granted could be deadly.

[Mister D]

It's deadlier now than it's ever been.

[Ravi]

That gave me goosebumps. Great story.

[Perianne]

Yes I am ... :wink:

.... and just as a matter of perspective ... 1960 was only 53 years ago, when just something we all take for granted could be deadly.


I am as white as they come. I was born in Finland and immigrated here when I was three. My mother married a black man. I was treated like hell because of that, both by whites and blacks. That was in the 60's and no one would do that now, so I suppose we have come a long way with race relations. What is your take on it?

[Cigar]

It's deadlier now than it's ever been.

At least there are people fighting to do something about it ... what are you doing?

I was at a fund raiser Thursday Night ... what were you doing?

... we know what you're doing.

[Mister D]

At least there are people fighting to do something about it ... what are you doing?

I was at a fund raiser Thursday Night ... what were you doing?

... we know what you're doing.

What were you raising funds for?

[patrickt]

It's sad that blacks are now left to the mercy of liberals in large cities. They can't walk to school now.

[Venus]

What were you raising funds for?


We know it can't be for troubled black youths, he's already told us he can't do anything for them.

[Mister D]

We know it can't be for troubled black youths, he's already told us he can't do anything for them.

Right. :wink: He isn't a particularly honest person so I'm a little skeptical.

[Cigar]

What were you raising funds for?

Re-opening and staffing Youth Centers ... not for Chicago, but in the counties where I live.

[Mister D]

Re-opening and staffing Youth Centers ... not for Chicago, but in the counties where I live.

And this does what to stop inner city mayhem?

[Cigar]

It's sad that blacks are now left to the mercy of liberals in large cities. They can't walk to school now.


What school are you talking about, and what area are you talking about, which Black's are you talking about?

Or is this just another blanket indictment of issues that you have no personal knowledge of?

[Mister D]

What school are you talking about, and what area are you talking about, which Black's are you talking about?

Or is this just another blanket indictment of issues that you have no personal knowledge of?

It's a lot more dangerous for black kids today than it was in 1960 despite all the scary racists.

[zelmo1234]

Re-opening and staffing Youth Centers ... not for Chicago, but in the counties where I live.

Cool Cause Cigar!

Good Luck

[Cigar]

It's a lot more dangerous for black kids today than it was in 1960 despite all the scary racists.

Not one single Black Child I know or have known for the last couple decades is afraid to go to school.

Now from what I read there's a narrow band of schools in the Chicago area between 31st street south to 57th street south.

That does not include the all the Black Kids this live in North America.

You do know that there are Black Kids who don't fall under the Fox umbrella?

You do know that there are Black Kids who go to school in some of the other 102 Counties in Illinois ... not just Cook County.

You may what to broaden your world a little ... or at least visit it.

[Cigar]

Cool Cause Cigar!

Good Luck

Kinda a no brainier ... but some people think spending money youth is a waist of money, but housing Adults for 30 years isn't.

[Mister D]

Not one single Black Child I know or have known for the last couple decades is afraid to go to school.

Now from what I read there's a narrow band of schools in the Chicago area between 31st street south to 57th street south.

That does not include the all the Black Kids this live in North America.

You do know that there are Black Kids who don't fall under the Fox umbrella?

You do know that there are Black Kids who go to school in some of the other 102 Counties in Illinois ... not just Cook County.

You may what to broaden your world a little ... or at least visit it.

Again, it's a lot more dangerous for black kids today than it was in 1960 despite all the scary racists. That's a fact.

[jillian]

What school are you talking about, and what area are you talking about, which Black's are you talking about?

Or is this just another blanket indictment of issues that you have no personal knowledge of?

just another opportunity for him to spew...

[keymanjim]

just another opportunity for him to spew...
Look who's talking.

[Cigar]

Again, it's a lot more dangerous for black kids today than it was in 1960 despite all the scary racists. That's a fact.

Says who?

Condi Rice reflects on growing up in segregated Birmingham in a preview of her interview with Rev Al Sharpton on the Advancing the Dream show aired September 06.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755884/vp/52933291/#52933291

There's one undeniable Fact in life ... you know nothing about being a Black Child now or in 1960

[Cigar]

just another opportunity for him to spew...

It's good ... it confirms all doubts. :laugh:

[Mister D]

Says who?

Condi Rice reflects on growing up in segregated Birmingham in a preview of her interview with Rev Al Sharpton on the Advancing the Dream show aired September 06.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755884/vp/52933291/#52933291

There's one undeniable Fact in life ... you know nothing about being a Black Child now or in 1960

I don't need to be black to know the facts.

How much violence occured in schools in 1960 as opposed to today?

[Ravi]

In the 20th century, as larger institutions came to replace the one-room schoolhouse, more and more "older boys" attended high schools. School violence changed, too. Clustered with peers of their own age, teenagers typically fought each other rather than their teachers.
By the 1950s, they had formed gangs. Bands of working-class "toughs" or "hoods" roamed school corridors and parking lots, bullying the weak and defacing property. Most of all, they attacked one another. Across urban America, gangs "rumbled" with knives, brass knuckles, and sawed-off baseball bats.
School violence would spike in the 1960s and early '70s, echoing the overall rise of crime in American society. Increasingly, though, it involved guns. By 1991, 26 percent of high school students reported that they had brought a weapon to school in the previous 30 days; of those, about a third said they had carried a gun.
Contrary to public perceptions, most forms of school violence have decreased since the 1990s. So has the reported carrying of weapons, to about 18 percent of high school students. But roughly a third of those still carry guns, which remain the most common cause of youth homicide in America.

http://articles.philly.com/2009-10-14/news/25271242_1_school-violence-youth-violence-teacher

[pragmatic]

Yes I am ... :wink:

.... and just as a matter of perspective ... 1960 was only 53 years ago, when just something we all take for granted could be deadly.


Good story on Ruby Bridges.

Things have changed a lot since then. Most for the better. Some not. The problems/issues in Chicago are certainly indicative of a new societal challenge. The kids having to walk to school down select, guarded routes aren't doing it out of fear of "racist white folks".

[Mister D]

In the 20th century, as larger institutions came to replace the one-room schoolhouse, more and more "older boys" attended high schools. School violence changed, too. Clustered with peers of their own age, teenagers typically fought each other rather than their teachers.
By the 1950s, they had formed gangs. Bands of working-class "toughs" or "hoods" roamed school corridors and parking lots, bullying the weak and defacing property. Most of all, they attacked one another. Across urban America, gangs "rumbled" with knives, brass knuckles, and sawed-off baseball bats.
School violence would spike in the 1960s and early '70s, echoing the overall rise of crime in American society. Increasingly, though, it involved guns. By 1991, 26 percent of high school students reported that they had brought a weapon to school in the previous 30 days; of those, about a third said they had carried a gun.
Contrary to public perceptions, most forms of school violence have decreased since the 1990s. So has the reported carrying of weapons, to about 18 percent of high school students. But roughly a third of those still carry guns, which remain the most common cause of youth homicide in America.

http://articles.philly.com/2009-10-14/news/25271242_1_school-violence-youth-violence-teacher

You haven't answered my question, Marie. How much violence occured in schools in 1960 as opposed to today?

[Ravi]

You haven't answered my question, Marie. How much violence occured in schools in 1960 as opposed to today?
That's the closest I could find to making a claim either way. Since you've made a claim you probably should back it up with facts.

[Cigar]

I don't need to be black to know the facts.

How much violence occured in schools in 1960 as opposed to today?

I don't know ...

How many Gangs where there?

How many Drug Deals where there?

[Cigar]

Good story on Ruby Bridges.

Things have changed a lot since then. Most for the better. Some not. The problems/issues in Chicago are certainly indicative of a new societal challenge. The kids having to walk to school down select, guarded routes aren't doing it out of fear of "racist white folks".

I often wonder if people who talk about Chicago, understand the scope of what they are talking about or are they just repeating what they hear. Chicago is a big city ... I know a lot of people live, work and have gone to school in Chicago and still have kids who go to schools in Chicago.

But hey, it's interesting reading ...

[Mister D]

That's the closest I could find to making a claim either way. Since you've made a claim you probably should back it up with facts.

Sigh...you just backed it up for me, Sally Sue.


Increasingly, though, it involved guns. By 1991, 26 percent of high school students reported that they had brought a weapon to school in the previous 30 days; of those, about a third said they had carried a gun.


Did schools need metal detectors in 1960, Marie? Were there school police forces?

Walter Williams observes (pssst..he's black so be nice lol)



The Philadelphia Inquirer's big story Feb. 4 was about how a budget crunch at the Philadelphia School District had caused the district to lay off 91 school police officers. Over the years, there's been no discussion of what has happened to our youth that makes a school police force necessary in the first place. The Inquirer's series "Assault on Learning" (March 2011) reported that in the 2010 school year, "690 teachers were assaulted; in the last five years, 4,000 were." The newspaper reported that in Philadelphia's 268 schools, "on an average day 25 students, teachers, or other staff members were beaten, robbed, sexually assaulted, or victims of other violent crimes. That doesn't even include thousands more who are extorted, threatened, or bullied in a school year."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765550887/Why-are-inner-city-schools-more-violent-today-than-in-the-past.html?pg=all

Now are you going to tell me

[Mister D]

I don't know ...

How many Gangs where there?

How many Drug Deals where there?

Far less, I'd imagine. So why after her proud walk to school have blacks become more violent and less amenable to the educational process?

[Mister D]

Oh, and the point of course is that the threat of racist whites in 1960 simply doesn't compare to the threat of fellow blacks right now.

[Cigar]

Far less, I'd imagine. So why after her proud walk to school have blacks become more violent and less amenable to the educational process?

Every single child within my extended family has gone to College.

Going to College was mostly unknown as rare for Blacks in the 1960 ... go to a any state College and tell me there's not difference now that it was in the 1960.

DONE ... King Me :grin:

[Ravi]

Sigh...you just backed it up for me, Sally Sue.



Did schools need metal detectors in 1960, Marie? Were there school police forces?

Walter Williams observes (pssst..he's black so be nice lol)



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765550887/Why-are-inner-city-schools-more-violent-today-than-in-the-past.html?pg=all

Now are you going to tell me
You missed this part:


Contrary to public perceptions, most forms of school violence have decreased since the 1990s. So has the reported carrying of weapons, to about 18 percent of high school students. But roughly a third of those still carry guns, which remain the most common cause of youth homicide in America.

So basically, the amount of guns floating around affects school violence though less guns are being brought to schools now.

You still haven't shown how it is more dangerous for black people now than in the 60s.

[Cigar]

Oh, and the point of course is that the threat of racist whites in 1960 simply doesn't compare to the threat of fellow blacks right now.

Many you should move to another neighborhood ... :laugh:

[Mister D]

Every single child within my extended family has gone to College.

Going to College was mostly unknown as rare for Blacks in the 1960 ... go to a any state College and tell me there's not difference now that it was in the 1960.

DONE ... King Me :grin:

That's nice.

That's nice too.

So you have no idea, do you?

[Cigar]

You missed this part:


So basically, the amount of guns floating around affects school violence though less guns are being brought to schools now.

You still haven't shown how it is more dangerous for black people now than in the 60s.

Don't bother ... when he see's a Black person, they're all alike to him.

That's his self-imposed handicap ... not anyone else.

[Cigar]

That's nice.

That's nice too.

So you have no idea, do you?

If you what to go through life with one belief ... be my guest, it's no impression on me.

[Mister D]

You missed this part:


So basically, the amount of guns floating around affects school violence though less guns are being brought to schools now.

You still haven't shown how it is more dangerous for black people now than in the 60s.

No, I saw that. It just doesn't say anything about 1960 relative to today. Did schools need metal detectors in 1960, Marie? Were there school police forces?

That blacks commit more violence now than they did in 1960 is clear from the black on black homicide rate (and for other violent crimes).

[Mister D]

If you what to go through life with one belief ... be my guest, it's no impression on me.

So you don't know why after her proud walk to school blacks are more violent and less amenable top the educational process. OK.

[Cigar]

1960 - 2013

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[Mister D]

Cigar reduced to incoherence once again. Smoked another Negro. I feel like George Zimmerman. :grin:

[Cigar]

Cigar reduced to incoherence once again. Smoked another Negro. I feel like George Zimmerman. :grin:

I'm glad you feel like George Zimmerman ...

I've said you're like George Zimmerman many times before ... thanks for admitting it openly on the Forum so everyone can see from your own post. :icon_thumleft:

BTW ... this is the closest Mister D will ever get to smoking Negro's ... :roflmao: typical

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[roadmaster]

Nice story, Cigar. Blacks were treated terribly.

I'm new here. Are you black? Not all, none had to have security at my schools. We did hear Mississippi had some problems but also northern KKK people did come down there and start things too. Our parents of different races ran off the instigators beforehand and none of the blacks had problems in our town in SC. It was just another day and we already knew most of these kids. You also have to remember some white kids because of where they lived were sent to all black schools too. It was hard on both but our town tried to make it as easy as possible.

[Ravi]

No, I saw that. It just doesn't say anything about 1960 relative to today. Did schools need metal detectors in 1960, Marie? Were there school police forces?

That blacks commit more violence now than they did in 1960 is clear from the black on black homicide rate (and for other violent crimes).

It is clear in your head, I'll give you that. But your thoughts are not facts. Try again.

[Mister D]

It is clear in your head, I'll give you that. But your thoughts are not facts. Try again.

The black on black homicide rate was higher in 1960?

[Ravi]

The black on black homicide rate was higher in 1960?
I have no idea. Your premise is that it is more dangerous for blacks now than it was in the 1960s. Still waiting for you to demonstrate that your claim is valid.

[Mister D]

This fascinating, Marie. I bet you think more blacks were in jail in 1960 too, huh?

[Mister D]

I have no idea. Your premise is that it is more dangerous for blacks now than it was in the 1960s. Still waiting for you to demonstrate that your claim is valid.

Already have. The rate of black on black crime is MUCH higher today than it was in 1960.

[Ravi]

Already have. The rate of black on black crime is MUCH higher today than it was in 1960.

Again, your opinion isn't a fact.

[Mister D]

Again, your opinion isn't a fact.

That's not my opinion, Marie.

[Ravi]

Then you should be able to post some credible statistics.

[Mainecoons]

It isn't too hard to figure this out. You know that 90 percent of the crime committed by blacks is against other blacks. Take 90 percent of the black crime rate and you have it. And what you have is well above the crime rates for other races after you factor out white collar crime.

[Ravi]

It isn't too hard to figure this out. You know that 90 percent of the crime committed by blacks is against other blacks. Take 90 percent of the black crime rate and you have it. And what you have is well above the crime rates for other races after you factor out white collar crime.
And whites commit crimes against other whites at the same high percentages. Not sure what your point is but it doesn't demonstrate that it is more dangerous for blacks now than in the 1960s.

[Mister D]

It isn't too hard to figure this out. You know that 90 percent of the crime committed by blacks is against other blacks. Take 90 percent of the black crime rate and you have it. And what you have is well above the crime rates for other races after you factor out white collar crime.

I mean, really. :rollseyes:

[Mister D]

And whites commit crimes against other whites at the same high percentages. Not sure what your point is but it doesn't demonstrate that it is more dangerous for blacks now than in the 1960s.

Sigh...

Most murder is intraracial but almost half of homicides annually are committed by blacks. That is grossly disproportionate. More importantly for our purposes, the vast majority of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

See page 2, Marie. After our black hero's proud walk to school in 1960 (1960 not the 1960s) the violence escalated. From the early 1960s through the 1990s the murder rate skyrocketed. Why?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


Now the US homicide rate according to the source above was 4.6 in 1962. In 2012 it was 4.8. Better still, if we look back at the awful, racist 1950s we see a even lower homicide rates. What happened, Marie?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

[nic34]

There's that disproportionate, word again.

DEE, are you really that afraid of colored folks?

Do you really care about colored folks?

[Mister D]

There's that disproportionate, word again.

DEE, are you really that afraid of colored folks?

Do you really care about colored folks?

Depends on the circumstances just like it does for you. :wink:

[Ravi]

Sigh...

Most murder is intraracial but almost half of homicides annually are committed by blacks. That is grossly disproportionate. More importantly for our purposes, the vast majority of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

See page 2, Marie. After our black hero's proud walk to school in 1960 (1960 not the 1960s) the violence escalated. From the early 1960s through the 1990s the murder rate skyrocketed. Why?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


Now the US homicide rate according to the source above was 4.6 in 1962. In 2012 it was 4.8. Better still, if we look back at the awful, racist 1950s we see a even lower homicide rates. What happened, Marie?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

Your first link says nothing about the 1960s. Your second doesn't show how many white people got off for lynching blacks.

Try again.

[Mister D]

Your first link says nothing about the 1960s. Your second doesn't show how many white people got off for lynching blacks.

Try again.

page two, stupid. see chart. lol

Lynching? :laugh: How desperate.


Tuskegee remains the single most complete source of statistics and records on this crime since 1882. As of 1959, which was the last time that their annual Lynch Report was published, a total of 4,733 persons had died as a result of lynching since 1882. To quote the report,
"Except for 1955, when three lynchings were reported in Mississippi, none has been recorded at Tuskegee since 1951. In 1945, 1947, and 1951, only one case per year was reported. The most recent case reported by the institute as a lynching was that of Emmett Till, 14, a Negro who was beaten, shot to death, and thrown into a river at Greenwood, Mississippi (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Greenwood,_Mississippi) on August 28, 1955... For a period of 65 years ending in 1947, at least one lynching was reported each year. The most for any year was 231 in 1892. From 1882 to 1901, lynchings averaged more than 150 a year. Since 1924, lynchings have been in a marked decline, never more than 30 cases, which occurred in 1926...."[54] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-1926...-54)


You were saying?

[Dr. Who]

This fascinating, Marie. I bet you think more blacks were in jail in 1960 too, huh?

The reason for the disproportionate number of African Americans in jail is the growth of the drug trade and the targeting of African American poor communities:

In addition, because inmates incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses are disproportionately likely to be African American, the impact on the African American community is devastating (Roberts, 2004). What this means is that young men (and increasingly women ) now have a higher chance of landing in jail at some point in their adult years than ever before.
http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/14873_Chapter9.pdf

[Mister D]

The reason for the disproportionate number of African Americans in jail is the growth of the drug trade and the targeting of African American poor communities:
http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/14873_Chapter9.pdf


I agree that the drug laws put too many non-violent offenders in prison particularly African Americans. On the other hand, the reason for that is the violence that the drug trade engenders in their communities.

[Dr. Who]

I agree that the drug laws put too many non-violent offenders in prison particularly African Americans. On the other hand, the reason for that is the violence that the drug trade engenders in their communities.
It becomes a vicious cycle. Some go to jail, become more violent, come back to the community with more criminal skills, recruit and teach violence to children. That is the problem with relatively closed impoverished communities. Criminality spreads, lack of mutual respect spreads, the dog eat dog philosophy becomes the norm. It happened during the great immigration period in New York from the 1890's into the 1920's and led to the rise of gangs - Irish gangs, Italian gangs and Jewish gangs and everything in between. I hate ghettos because they breed crime.

[nic34]

Criminality spreads, lack of mutual respect spreads, the dog eat dog philosophy becomes the norm. It happened during the great immigration period in New York from the 1890's into the 1920's and led to the rise of gangs - Irish gangs, Italian gangs and Jewish gangs and everything in between. I hate ghettos because they breed crime.

Yes, those "good ol' days" when we weren't "PC".

Sweatshops, child labor, no 40 hr work week or OT rules, no safety laws, no collective bargaining, no pensions, no healthcare.... GOOD OLD DAYS!