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MMC
01-16-2012, 01:16 AM
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wingrider
01-16-2012, 08:14 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) — An international team of scientists says it has figured out how to slow global warming in the short run and prevent millions of deaths from dirty air: Stop focusing so much on carbon dioxide.

They say the key is to reduce emissions of two powerful and fast-acting causes of global warming — methane and soot.

Soot also is a big health problem, so dramatically cutting it with existing technology would save between 700,000 and 4.7 million lives each year, according to the team's research published online Thursday in the journal Science. Since soot causes rainfall patterns to shift, reducing it would cut down on droughts in southern Europe and parts of Africa and ease monsoon problems in Asia, the study says.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-cut-soot-methane-curb-warming-190656506.html

They say that soot and methane are more potent problems. That doing this would also increase more food yields. Yet if they knew this then why havent they been trying to approach this in such a way before.
First they would have to get China and third world countries to reduce the amount of soot put into the air by their production methods, which isn't gonna happen cause China and india will say butt out and MYOB..

second,, methane is mostly produced by Cattle We would have to close all meat packing plants and cattle feed yards to reduce those emissions and that will kill the Beef, Pork and Poultry industries, it is easier for these fools to charge American citizens a fee on CO2 than to disrupt what is already in place,

third Bleeding heart tree huggers would have a fit.

Conley
01-16-2012, 09:58 AM
China's smog is insane. Have you guys seen some of the photos from there? A few photos reminded me of when the towers went down. The air is full of ash.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/Smog_in_china.jpg

Not surprisingly they say a lot of our pollution in CA is from China

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2010/12/smog_comes_from_china.php

Mister D
01-16-2012, 10:22 AM
Plus, the Chinese love to smoke cigarettes.

wingrider
01-16-2012, 10:25 AM
Plus, the Chinese love to smoke cigarettes.


wait.. I am not chinese and I smoke.. what does that mean??

Mister D
01-16-2012, 10:38 AM
It means you may not think you're Chinese but you really are. :shocked:

Conley
01-16-2012, 10:40 AM
The Chinese do love their dragons! :grin:

Mister D
01-16-2012, 10:41 AM
There is the connection right there. :wink:

Conley
01-16-2012, 11:01 AM
There is the connection right there. :wink:

Did you notice Wing got real quiet after we put 2 and 2 together? :wink:

Mister D
01-16-2012, 11:05 AM
Is he a Baidu spider!? :shocked:

wingrider
01-16-2012, 11:06 AM
oopps you have found me out .. in reality I am known as Kwai Chang Caine and I am a shaolin priest.. cover has been blown so will have to search for another nom de plume

Conley
01-16-2012, 11:06 AM
nm

Conley
01-16-2012, 11:07 AM
Is he a Baidu spider!? :shocked:

:laugh: No, he is the general! General Wang...I mean Wing. The spiders are under his command!

Conley
01-16-2012, 11:07 AM
oopps you have found me out .. in reality I am known as Kwai Chang Caine and I am a shaolin priest.. cover has been blown so will have to search for another nom de plume

:rofl:

MMC
01-16-2012, 12:05 PM
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Conley
01-16-2012, 12:13 PM
:laugh: I figured the Spider talk would get you to show up!

MMC
01-16-2012, 12:19 PM
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wingrider
01-16-2012, 12:36 PM
better watch out there MMC I will have your job yet,, them spiders are starting to like me.. ouch that one bit.

waltky
11-03-2012, 12:29 AM
Environmentalists see carbon tax in Obama's second term...
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Obama backers put carbon tax and other global warming efforts atop re-election agenda
Thursday, November 1, 2012 - While even he admits disappointment in his first-term record on the fight against climate change, President Obama continues to enjoy strong support from environmentalists who say they are confident he can deliver a carbon tax and other far-reaching measures against global warming in a second term.


New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg provided the most recent evidence of that Thursday, announcing his endorsement of Mr. Obama’s re-election bid in large part because he is “a president to lead on climate change.” “This issue is too important. We need determined leadership at the national level to move the nation and the world forward,” Mr. Bloomberg, an independent, said, while questioning whether superstorm Sandy, which ravaged his city this week may have been the result of global warming. “The risk that it might be — given this week’s devastation — should compel all elected leaders to take immediate action.”

Mr. Obama has also received endorsements from the Sierra Club and other environmental groups, maintaining much of the support he cultivated during his first White House run four years ago. That support has held steady despite several high-profile failures and major setbacks, including the failure to get a cap-and-trade greenhouse gas bill through the Democrat-dominated Congress of his first two years in office.

After promising to lead the world in the fight against climate change, Mr. Obama was unable to reach a deal with other world leaders at a much-touted global summit on climate change in Copenhagen in 2009. He was able only to cobble together a general “statement of principles.” Perhaps because of those setbacks, Mr. Obama has allowed climate change to be largely absent from the presidential campaign, though other factors have also played a role.

A struggling economy has overshadowed the issue throughout the president’s first term, and that reality has extended to the contest between Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney. In a recent interview with MTV, the president flatly admitted he hasn’t made as much progress as he had hoped, and also conceded the issue hasn’t made it into the spotlight of the campaign. “We’re not moving as fast as we need to,” Mr. Obama said. “I’m surprised [climate change] didn’t come up in one of the debates.”

Read more: Still hoping (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/1/environmentalists-still-in-obamas-camp/#ixzz2B87S3VoI)

See also:

Eco-Taxes? Study Financed by U.S. Treasury Will Link Tax Code to Carbon Emissions
November 01, 2012 Coming soon: a green tax code for American businesses and individual taxpayers alike?


A major tax study currently being sponsored by the U.S. Treasury will give environmental activists a powerful new weapon in their campaign to alter the entire American economic and social landscape in the name of halting “climate change”—including the possible levying of new carbon taxes.

That campaign is bound to intensify in the aftermath of Nov. 6’s presidential election, regardless of who wins the race, as the nation faces the challenge of deficit reduction and tax reform that will be required to overhaul the country’s over-strained finances. Environmental advocates and others are likely to raise such innovative mechanisms as carbon taxes and major shifts in tax rates and incentives as part of the process—and the impending study may well provide them with important ammunition.

Under the bland title of Effects of Provisions in the Internal Revenue Code on Greenhouse Gas Emissions, the $1.5 million study is being carried out under the auspices of the National Academy of Science (NAS). Originally planned to take two years, the ambitious project aims to take an inventory of the U.S. tax code in terms of the effects of its most important provisions on the emission of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions—a huge and complicated exercise in environmental and economic modelling.

The study itself will not be available until after the election. Originally slated for completion in September of this year, its publication has since been postponed until the first quarter of next year.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/01/eco-taxes-study-financed-by-us-treasury-will-link-tax-code-to-carbon-emissions/?test=latestnews#ixzz2B88Ii2rY

waltky
08-05-2017, 12:13 AM
Finding methane gas leaks with Google Street View Maps...
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Google Street View Cars Map Methane Leaks
August 03, 2017 — Finding underground gas leaks is now as easy as finding a McDonalds, thanks to a combination of Google Street View cars, mobile methane detectors, some major computing power and a lot of ingenuity.


When a city’s underground gas lines leak, they waste fuel and release invisible plumes of methane, a potent greenhouse gas. To find and measure leaks, Colorado State University biologist Joe von Fischer decided to create "methane maps," to make it easier for utilities to identify the biggest leaks, and repair them. “That’s where you get the greatest bang for the buck," he pointed out, "the greatest pollution reductions per repair.” Knowing that Google Maps start with Google Street View cars recording everything they drive by, along with their GPS locations, von Fischer’s team thought they would just add methane detectors to a Street View car. It turned out, it was not that simple.

"Squirrelly objects"

The world’s best methane detectors are accurate in an area the size of a teacup, but methane leaks can be wider than a street. Also, no one had ever measured the size of a methane leak from a moving car. "If you’ve ever seen a plume of smoke, it’s sort of a lumpy, irregular object," von Fischer said. "Methane plumes as they come out of the ground are the same, they’re lumpy squirrelly objects.”


https://gdb.voanews.com/BD0BFF68-85EE-419E-A027-DB01C691E4DD_w650_r0_s.jpg
This portable methane analyzer uses laser-based technology to measure atmospheric methane concentrations, the same technology used in the analyzers that are deployed on the Google Street View cars.

The team had to develop a way to capture data about those plumes, one that would be accurate in the real world. They set up a test site in an abandoned airfield near campus, and brought in what looked like a large scuba tank filled with methane and some air hoses. Then they released carefully measured methane through the hose as von Fischer drove a specially equipped SUV past it, again and again. They compared readings from the methane detectors in the SUV to readings from the tank. “We spend a lot of time driving through the plumes to sort of calibrate the way that those cars see methane plumes that form as methane’s being emitted from the ground,” von Fischer explained. With that understanding, the methane detectors hit the road.

Turning data into maps

But the results created pages of data, "more than 30 million points,” said CSU computer scientist Johnson Kathkikiaran. He knew that all those data points alone would never help people find the biggest leaks on any map. So he and his advisor, Sanmi Peracara, turned the data into pictures using tools from Google. Their visual summaries made it easy for utility experts to analyze the methane maps, but von Fischer wanted anyone to be able to identify the worst leaks. His teammates at the Environmental Defense Fund met that challenge by incorporating the data into their online maps. Yellow dots indicate a small methane leak. Orange is a medium-size one. Red means a big leak - as much pollution as one car driving 14,000 kilometers in a single day.


https://gdb.voanews.com/41B44C1F-E548-494A-BF4C-57FB2314F3E8_w650_r0_s.jpg
Colored circles on the methane maps indicate the size of the detected gas leak.

Von Fischer says that if a city focuses on these biggest leaks, repairing just 8 percent of them can reduce methane pollution by a third. “That becomes a win-win type scenario," he said, "because we’re not asking polluters to fix everything, but we’re looking for a reduction in overall emissions, and I think we can achieve that in a more cost effective way.” After analyzing a methane map for the state of New Jersey, for example, the utility PSE&G has prioritized fixing its leakiest pipes there first, to speed the reduction of their overall pollution. “To me that was a real victory, to be able to help the utility find which parts were leakiest, and to make a cost effective reduction in their overall emissions," von Fishcher said. Von Fischer envisions even more innovation ahead for mapping many kinds of pollution… to clean the air and save energy.

https://www.voanews.com/a/mapping-methane-leaks/3970924.html