Ted Cruz Infuriates House Republicans By Conceding Defeat On Obamacare Repeal

[Common]

So in other words the House Gop is pissing up a rope

House Republicans are fuming at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for conceding that the party's efforts to repeal Obamacare aren't going anywhere in the Senate -- and leaving the House to keep fighting over it anyway.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/ted-cruz-obamacare-house-republicans_n_3950901.html

[Singularity]

They're mad because they all know it's a giant waste of time, with absolutely no possible practical gain (except on a purely political basis) to be had.

The way it is supposed to work is, the House will posture until the last possible moment before the country's stability careens off a cliff. At which point they cry that between the Senate and the President they have "accomplished" everything imaginable and fold, laying the blame for any psychological or credibility-damage at Obama's feet.

Ted Cruz just made that plan, such as it is, significantly harder. Of course they are peeved. It's all they got.

[ptif219]

Cruz just told the American public that Reid and Obama are obstructing the delay of Obamacare. The public doesn't want it and this will not help democrats

[Common]

Obviously you didnt read the article

[Matty]

Ted Cruz was interviewed last night on Hannity. He's calling for the Senate Republicans to stand with the House Republicans to de fund obamacare. He has a very compelling argument. Obummercare is the worst thing to ever hit the USA. 97% of all new hires are now part time.

[Matty]

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2680782691001/are-republicans-closer-to-defunding-obamacare/?playlist_id=86924

[countryboy]

Ted Cruz was interviewed last night on Hannity. He's calling for the Senate Republicans to stand with the House Republicans to de fund obamacare. He has a very compelling argument. Obummercare is the worst thing to ever hit the USA. 97% of all new hires are now part time.
That is so weird because the OP says that Huffpo says that Cruz says he has conceded defeat. I cannot, no, I WILL NOT, believe that Huffpo would ever mischaracterize something a Republican said. The Huffpo is a great American.

[jillian]

So in other words the House Gop is pissing up a rope

House Republicans are fuming at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for conceding that the party's efforts to repeal Obamacare aren't going anywhere in the Senate -- and leaving the House to keep fighting over it anyway.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/ted-cruz-obamacare-house-republicans_n_3950901.html

wow... cruz told the truth about something? cool.

[jillian]

Cruz just told the American public that Reid and Obama are obstructing the delay of Obamacare. The public doesn't want it and this will not help democrats

obstructing the delay?? i so hope you were laughing when you posted that because it's one of the stupidest things i've ever heard a politician say.

[Matty]

wow... cruz told the truth about something? cool.


But HuffPost didn't

[jillian]

But HuffPost didn't

you can disagree all you want with their editorials. their fact check is pretty good...

the right really doesn't like facts.

[Mainecoons]

First, let's get it straight what he said. It came out a little garbled.

Then go from there.

[Matty]

you can disagree all you want with their editorials. their fact check is pretty good...

the right really doesn't like facts.


I saw the interview, I heard what the man said not what HuffoPosto thinks he said. I posted a link, you should try listening sometime. open your mind to possibilities

[Mainecoons]

I don't see anything in the HuffPo piece that is incorrect or inconsistent with Cruz's previous stance. He is telling the house that defunding ObamaCare won't pass the Senate.

That is hardly some sort of stunning revelation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/ted-cruz-obamacare-house-republicans_n_3950901.html

I'm with the folks who think this activity is both futile and misdirected. Not because ObamaCare is great legislation that is bound to be a success. Quite the contrary, it is a bomb in the heart of progressivism and we need to encourage it to blow up.

[Matty]

I don't see anything in the HuffPo piece that is incorrect or inconsistent with Cruz's previous stance. He is telling the house that defunding ObamaCare won't pass the Senate.

That is hardly some sort of stunning revelation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/ted-cruz-obamacare-house-republicans_n_3950901.html

I'm with the folks who think this activity is both futile and misdirected. Not because ObamaCare is great legislation that is bound to be a success. Quite the contrary, it is a bomb in the heart of progressivism and we need to encourage it to blow up.




They'll find a way to NOT TAKe Responsibility for a stupid law, just the way they did with Fannie and Freddie. Meanwhile the country is going to suffer mightily from their stupid law that they all passed before they'd even read it. They (the congress) know it sucks too otherwise they wouldn't excuse thenselves and their staffers from living under obummercare.

[Mainecoons]

OK Jillian, I read the HuffPo story and I watched the video and I didn't see where Cruz put it the way HuffPo represented it.

Care to address that?

[ptif219]

Obviously you didnt read the article

You are justifying Reid being an obstructionist

[ptif219]

wow... cruz told the truth about something? cool.

Cruz speaks truth Obama lies about the GOP

[ptif219]

obstructing the delay?? i so hope you were laughing when you posted that because it's one of the stupidest things i've ever heard a politician say.

Really? Reid has blocked all kinds of bills from the house. Under Reid we have seen no budget passed in the senate for 4 years

[ptif219]

you can disagree all you want with their editorials. their fact check is pretty good...

the right really doesn't like facts.

The liberals don't like facts. The ones talking government shutdown are Obama and the democrats not the GOP

[ptif219]

I don't see anything in the HuffPo piece that is incorrect or inconsistent with Cruz's previous stance. He is telling the house that defunding ObamaCare won't pass the Senate.

That is hardly some sort of stunning revelation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/ted-cruz-obamacare-house-republicans_n_3950901.html

I'm with the folks who think this activity is both futile and misdirected. Not because ObamaCare is great legislation that is bound to be a success. Quite the contrary, it is a bomb in the heart of progressivism and we need to encourage it to blow up.

I say do it let the democrats shutdown the government and see if they can get the people to believe their lie or if the people will look at facts and tell democrats to work with GOP. Notice there is no bill or fix from the democrats. The democrats want to shutdown the government.

[bladimz]

The liberals don't like facts. The ones talking government shutdown are Obama and the democrats not the GOP


"We haven't even taken up the bill and Ted Cruz is admitting defeat?" fumed one senior GOP aide. "Some people came here to govern and make things better for their constituents. Ted Cruz came here to throw bombs and fundraise off of attacks on fellow Republicans. He's a joke, plain and simple."
http://goo.gl/gLzy1GThis is no mischaracterization by HuffPo; this is a direct quote from a GOP aide. They are so pissed at him and rightly so.

[Ransom]

They're mad because they all know it's a giant waste of time, with absolutely no possible practical gain (except on a purely political basis) to be had.

The way it is supposed to work is, the House will posture until the last possible moment before the country's stability careens off a cliff. At which point they cry that between the Senate and the President they have "accomplished" everything imaginable and fold, laying the blame for any psychological or credibility-damage at Obama's feet.

Ted Cruz just made that plan, such as it is, significantly harder. Of course they are peeved. It's all they got.

It's not a giant waste of time. It makes new and current members vote and make their positions known on this bill heading into 2014 elections......and then when this thing implodes and/or doesn't work.....we'll know exactly who to blame. You idiots.

[Mainecoons]

This is no mischaracterization by HuffPo; this is a direct quote from a GOP aide. They are so pissed at him and rightly so.

Ah, but where did Cruz say this? He didn't say it in the Hannity interview as near as I can tell.

If he did say it, it is simply a statement of reality. Reid isn't going to let the House continuing resolution go to a vote. He'll strip the part about ObamaCare and send it back.

[bladimz]

I say do it let the democrats shutdown the government and see if they can get the people to believe their lie or if the people will look at facts and tell democrats to work with GOP. Notice there is no bill or fix from the democrats. The democrats want to shutdown the government.
I don't quite get that you think the Dems are driving a decision for a government shutdown? This threat has come specifically and only from the GOP.

[bladimz]

Ah, but where did Cruz say this? He didn't say it in the Hannity interview as near as I can tell.

If he did say it, it is simply a statement of reality. Reid isn't going to let the House continuing resolution go to a vote. He'll strip the part about ObamaCare and send it back.I don't see anywhere that Cruz has come out and denied that he said it. That should take care of any doubts.

[Mainecoons]

No, it doesn't.

[Chris]

Obviously you didnt read the article


This is no mischaracterization by HuffPo; this is a direct quote from a GOP aide. They are so pissed at him and rightly so.



I read it, it's more faux rage. Emotive words like "infuriates" and "fumes" are used instead of "said." And "House Republicans" instead of two aides. Two aides said something about what Cruz said. OMG!!!

[jillian]

I read it, it's more faux rage. Emotive words like "infuriates" and "fumes" are used instead of "said." And "House Republicans" instead of two aides. Two aides said something about what Cruz said. OMG!!!

it's an accurate representatation in both form and spirit of what was said.

do you really think the aids spoke to the press on their own?

really?

[Chris]

it's an accurate representatation in both form and spirit of what was said.

do you really think the aids spoke to the press on their own?

really?

It's an emotional exaggeration. Really.

[Mainecoons]

That's "aides" Jillian and this article is a very good example of how HuffPo takes news and slants it to the left.

[Matty]

I don't quite get that you think the Dems are driving a decision for a government shutdown? This threat has come specifically and only from the GOP.
link it bud.

[Ransom]

It's in Harry Reid's Court now, those talking the talk can walk the walk....and then we'll have an election.

[jillian]

It's an emotional exaggeration. Really.

because you said so, chris? the politics of it is what the politics are. and i have no doubt they're livid with him.

[Mainecoons]

No Jillian, because it relies on hearsay from secondary sources and embellishes it with slanted language designed to suck in the uncritical.

Like yourself.

[ptif219]

I don't quite get that you think the Dems are driving a decision for a government shutdown? This threat has come specifically and only from the GOP.

No Obama will do it if the GOP does not do what he wants

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/323307-obama-threatens-to-veto-house-cr

[ptif219]

I don't see anywhere that Cruz has come out and denied that he said it. That should take care of any doubts.

Maybe this will help you

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359007/ted-cruz-punches-back-robert-costa



“Harry Reid will no doubt try to strip the defund language from the continuing resolution, and right now he likely has the votes to do so,” Cruz said. “At that point, House Republicans must stand firm, hold their ground, and continue to listen to the American people.”Of course, Cruz’s acknowledgement of the near-impossibility of passing a defunding bill through the Democratic-controlled Senate is an accurate reading of political reality. But House Republicans didn’t care; they were apoplectic with Cruz not only for laying the responsibility for defunding on them, but for making them seem weak. “If Cruz doesn’t help us in the Senate to pass a defunding bill, we’ll end up having to pass a normal CR,” complains a veteran House Republican. “It’ll be pathetic, but I expect him to slam us for it.”
House insiders say a handful of House Republicans cursed Cruz in the cloakroom on Wednesday, and a leadership source says angry e-mails were exchanged among GOP staffers who consider Cruz to be a charlatan. “Cruz keeps raising conservatives’ hopes, and then, when we give him what he wants, he doesn’t have a plan to follow through,” an aide fumes. “He’s an amateur.” Another aide says, “Nancy Pelosi is more well-liked around here.”
Cruz, however, tells me House Republicans are wrong to be infuriated. In an interview, he says his goal was never to whip together votes in the Senate for a defunding bill; it was always to inspire a grassroots uprising that would rattle Congress and President Obama, and hopefully defund Obamacare.
“I’m convinced there is a new paradigm in politics — the rise of the grassroots,” Cruz says. He cites Senator Rand Paul’s filibuster on drone policy, and the debates on Syria and gun control, as recent examples of how an “overwhelming” number of phone calls and e-mails from constituents can force the president to buckle.
“And on Obamacare, I’ve said, from the start, that if typical Washington rules apply, we can’t win this fight,” he explains. “If the forums in which we make this case consist of the smoke-filled rooms of Washington, the votes aren’t there. The only way this fight will be won is if the American people rise up and hold our elected officials accountable.”
Cruz says he “salutes” Boehner and House Republicans for moving forward with a vote on defunding, but he stands by his belief that one vote this week isn’t enough. “When I say the House needs to stand strong, it’s because the fight will be won or lost in the House of Representatives,” he says. “I can’t win this fight, and Mike Lee can’t win this fight,” but he believes the House GOP can.
Cruz’s advisers agree, and Chip Roy, his chief of staff, has pushed back hard against Cruz’s House critics. “Senator Cruz is doing what he said he would do when he came to Washington,” Roy tells me. “He promised to do everything he can to stop Obamacare before it begins hurting real people and further harms our economy.”
“His staff is working with whomever we can to achieve that goal, including House and Senate staff,” Roy adds. “For every story about a staffer grumbling behind the scenes, there are dozens of staffers who tell us how excited they are Senator Cruz is standing up to business as usual.”

[Chris]

I read it, it's more faux rage. Emotive words like "infuriates" and "fumes" are used instead of "said." And "House Republicans" instead of two aides. Two aides said something about what Cruz said. OMG!!!


it's an accurate representatation in both form and spirit of what was said.

do you really think the aids spoke to the press on their own?

really?


It's an emotional exaggeration. Really.


because you said so, chris? the politics of it is what the politics are. and i have no doubt they're livid with him.



No, for the reasons I gave and you failed to address.