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Cigar
09-20-2013, 07:21 AM
“They received almost $200 for a single meal only for themselves. Yet, for them the idea of helping fellow Americans spend less than $5 a day makes their skin crawl.”

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=cUNzQGIXr3I

Democratic Rep. Jackie Speier decided to make an unconventional pitch on the House of Representatives floor Thursday to defend food stamps. Speier used a cooked steak, a bottle of vodka, and a can of caviar to point out members of Congress who had large numbers of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) recipients in their districts but opposed the program. The congresswoman pointed out many of the same members of Congress took trips around the world with large stipends for food and lodging.

"Let me give you a few examples: One member was given $127.41 a day for food on his trip to Argentina. He probably had a fair amount of steak," she said.

"Another member was given $3,588 for food and lodging during a six-day trip to Russia. He probably drank a fair amount of vodka and probably even had some caviar. That particular member has 21,000 food stamp recipients in his district. One of those people who is on food stamps could live a year on what this congressman spent on food and lodging for six days," she added.

"Another 20 members made a trip to Dublin, Ireland. They got $166 a day for food. These members didn't pay a dime. They received almost $200 for a single meal only for themselves. Yet, for them the idea of helping fellow Americans spend less than $5 a day makes their skin crawl. The families of veterans, of farmers, of the disabled, of the working poor are not visible to them, not even when they are their own constituents."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/democratic-congresswoman-uses-steak-vodka-and-caviar-to-hamm?s=mobile

Ooops ... I think she's talking about you know who?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Steve_King_Official.jpg/220px-Steve_King_Official.jpg

Steve King :laugh:

Mainecoons
09-20-2013, 07:30 AM
Of course she isn't commenting on the accelerating enrichment of the one percent under Barack Obama.

No, dishonest demogoguery works for her. . . and you.

:grin:

Cigar
09-20-2013, 08:11 AM
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jillian
09-20-2013, 08:45 AM
“They received almost $200 for a single meal only for themselves. Yet, for them the idea of helping fellow Americans spend less than $5 a day makes their skin crawl.”

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=cUNzQGIXr3I

Democratic Rep. Jackie Speier decided to make an unconventional pitch on the House of Representatives floor Thursday to defend food stamps. Speier used a cooked steak, a bottle of vodka, and a can of caviar to point out members of Congress who had large numbers of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) recipients in their districts but opposed the program. The congresswoman pointed out many of the same members of Congress took trips around the world with large stipends for food and lodging.

"Let me give you a few examples: One member was given $127.41 a day for food on his trip to Argentina. He probably had a fair amount of steak," she said.

"Another member was given $3,588 for food and lodging during a six-day trip to Russia. He probably drank a fair amount of vodka and probably even had some caviar. That particular member has 21,000 food stamp recipients in his district. One of those people who is on food stamps could live a year on what this congressman spent on food and lodging for six days," she added.

"Another 20 members made a trip to Dublin, Ireland. They got $166 a day for food. These members didn't pay a dime. They received almost $200 for a single meal only for themselves. Yet, for them the idea of helping fellow Americans spend less than $5 a day makes their skin crawl. The families of veterans, of farmers, of the disabled, of the working poor are not visible to them, not even when they are their own constituents."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/democratic-congresswoman-uses-steak-vodka-and-caviar-to-hamm?s=mobile

Ooops ... I think she's talking about you know who?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Steve_King_Official.jpg/220px-Steve_King_Official.jpg

Steve King :laugh:

lovely people, aren't they?

Mainecoons
09-20-2013, 09:07 AM
Lovely demagoguery, yes.

Your stock in trade, Jillian.

patrickt
09-20-2013, 10:25 AM
Democrats demagogue. They can't possibly talk about policy. But, I thought she was showing what people on food stamps had bought but then I realized she hadn't mentioned lottery tickets.

bladimz
09-20-2013, 10:46 AM
Democrats demagogue. They can't possibly talk about policy. But, I thought she was showing what people on food stamps had bought but then I realized she hadn't mentioned lottery tickets.The more desperate people become the more avenues they take to somehow improve their situation. I'd bet (pun intended) you would do the same thing. Have you ever lived below the poverty line?

Her conversation was about the food stamp funding slash, not the purchase of lottery tickets.

bladimz
09-20-2013, 10:54 AM
Of course she isn't commenting on the accelerating enrichment of the one percent under Barack Obama.
:grin:The issue that she is discussing here is the willingness of certain congresspeople to inflict even more pain and suffering through their food stamp slash on their own constituents while living the high life on the tax-payer's dime.

But you're right about Obama and his bent toward the 1%. The government, and that includes the POTUS, serves at the behest of the wealthy and the powerful, not the american people.

patrickt
09-20-2013, 11:04 AM
The more desperate people become the more avenues they take to somehow improve their situation. I'd bet (pun intended) you would do the same thing. Have you ever lived below the poverty line?

Her conversation was about the food stamp funding slash, not the purchase of lottery tickets.

I've not only live below the poverty line but I've actually been poor. The cut in food stamps is tied to volunteering. If people are in jail getting food stamps or working full time and getting food stamps or are getting food stamps from more than one jurisdiction or under more than one name then they probably won't be volunteering and the costs should be reduced unless, of course, the liberals are successful at forcing everyone, except the chosen few, onto welfare.

For perspective, as opposed to demagoguery, the proposal is intended to reduce the number of people getting food stamps from 47,600,000 to 43,800,000.

I realize liberals don't want to talk about food stamp fraud. Well, actually any government fraud. It's part of the liberal program they can't talk about.

bladimz
09-20-2013, 11:33 AM
I've not only live below the poverty line but I've actually been poor. The cut in food stamps is tied to volunteering. If people are in jail getting food stamps or working full time and getting food stamps or are getting food stamps from more than one jurisdiction or under more than one name then they probably won't be volunteering and the costs should be reduced unless, of course, the liberals are successful at forcing everyone, except the chosen few, onto welfare.

For perspective, as opposed to demagoguery, the proposal is intended to reduce the number of people getting food stamps from 47,600,000 to 43,800,000.

I realize liberals don't want to talk about food stamp fraud. Well, actually any government fraud. It's part of the liberal program they can't talk about.When you can provide convincing evidence that the cut they propose will directly, specifically target fraud, and not just indiscriminate, across-the-board fund-cutting abusing those in serious need of assistance, then i'll listen and consider.

jillian
09-20-2013, 11:38 AM
When you can provide convincing evidence that the cut they propose will directly, specifically target fraud, and not just indiscriminate, across-the-board fund-cutting abusing those in serious need of assistance, i'll listen and consider.

it doesn't... they're cutting 5% across the board (although i've heard 10%, too) . fraud is low... about 1%


The bill, which other Republicans have called “draconian (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/food-stamp-measure_n_3950663.html),” would decrease funding to the nation’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, called “SNAP,” by about $39 billion over the next 10 years, cutting the program by 5%. The Congressional Budget Office (http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/HR3102.pdf) estimates that around 3.8 million people will lose access to these benefits.
Republicans voting in favor of the bill have been pushing the claim that the nation’s food stamp program is suffering because of an excess of fraud and abuse, and that their legislation is aimed more at eliminating loopholes rather than cutting people who need the assistance.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which helps administer the program, reported last month (http://www.fns.usda.gov/pressrelease/2013/fns-001213) that SNAP actually “continues to have one of the lowest fraud rates for Federal programs.” Over the last 15 years, they say, the trafficking rate of food stamps has actually gone down from 4% to about 1%

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/19/watch-gop-rep-defends-food-stamp-cuts-as-surgical/

maybe they don't realize that the red states get a lot of this money. i suspect those people won't be very happy.

but it's still sick to starve poor people.

Chris
09-20-2013, 11:48 AM
When you can provide convincing evidence that the cut they propose will directly, specifically target fraud, and not just indiscriminate, across-the-board fund-cutting abusing those in serious need of assistance, then i'll listen and consider.

Would you say the same for gun-control policies, you'll listen when they target criminals and not just indiscriminate across the board law abiding citizens?

I doubt much in government, from giving to restricting food stamps does target anything.

Chris
09-20-2013, 11:52 AM
it doesn't... they're cutting 5% across the board (although i've heard 10%, too) . fraud is low... about 1%



http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/19/watch-gop-rep-defends-food-stamp-cuts-as-surgical/

maybe they don't realize that the red states get a lot of this money. i suspect those people won't be very happy.

but it's still sick to starve poor people.



maybe they don't realize that the red states get a lot of this money.

Debunked: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/16680-The-Myth-of-Red-State-Welfare


but it's still sick to starve poor people.

Classic emotional appeal.

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Mainecoons
09-20-2013, 11:52 AM
Would you say, Jillian, that the USDA has a very strong motive to understate and deny the level of fraud in SNAP?

It never fails to amaze me that no matter how much the government lies to us, there are some who are still so terminally and irreversibly gullible that they will continue to suck up the government's BS so uncritically.

patrickt
09-20-2013, 12:43 PM
Would one of the liberals here give us a link to find the official death rate for starvation in the U.S.? I can't seem to find any information on the net. I would assume it's in the tens of thousands, at least, and am amazed that the CDC doesn't seem to have any information. In their index they list STAR (Southern Tick-Associated Rash Illness) and STDs but in between there is no entry for starvation. I wonder why that is? I mean with the millions of starving people in the U.S. and the bodies of people who hard starved to death littering the roadsides I can't imagine why it isn't a big topic with the Center for Disease Control.

So, please, give me some figures for deaths from starvation. Hopefully they'll have anorexia-related deaths in a separate category.

jillian
09-20-2013, 12:44 PM
Debunked: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/16680-The-Myth-of-Red-State-Welfare



Classic emotional appeal.



an opinion piece from "sierra rayne" on american "thinker" doesn't debunk anything.

what on earth are you blathering about? is this today's way you have of trolling every post, you know... with the "emotional appeal" meme.everyone gets your game, chris...

sure sign you have nothing to say because you can't use some rightwing "editorial" as a response to facts.

and, just for the record... feeding people is SUPPOSED to be about ...empathy, sympathy...

well, except to randian pretend libertarians, i guess.

Cigar
09-20-2013, 12:46 PM
.... and there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen ... today's Conservatives.

Any questions why they're losing Voters?

jillian
09-20-2013, 12:47 PM
.... and there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen ... today's Conservatives.

Any questions why they're losing Voters?



well, the idiots will tell you it's about "free stuff". they're not very bright.

nic34
09-20-2013, 01:49 PM
sure sign you have nothing to say because you can't use some rightwing "editorial" as a response to facts

Boy, howdy.........

Mainecoons
09-20-2013, 01:56 PM
Still waiting for that starvation death rate link. . . .

Chris
09-20-2013, 02:03 PM
an opinion piece from "sierra rayne" on american "thinker" doesn't debunk anything.

what on earth are you blathering about? is this today's way you have of trolling every post, you know... with the "emotional appeal" meme.everyone gets your game, chris...

sure sign you have nothing to say because you can't use some rightwing "editorial" as a response to facts.

and, just for the record... feeding people is SUPPOSED to be about ...empathy, sympathy...

well, except to randian pretend libertarians, i guess.



The question is what are you blabbering about, do you even know? Do you ever? Have you defined conservative yet? Have you defended your assumptions about government regulation being responsible for the rise of the middle class? There's half a dozen other questions out there waiting for you. Yet all you have are debunked premises and emotional appeals and inflammatory flame baits. Think anyone is impressed?

Chris
09-20-2013, 02:05 PM
Boy, howdy.........



Question, nic, why do you believe what jillian makes up?

Mainecoons
09-20-2013, 03:15 PM
Believing made up stuff is Nic's specialty, Chris.

:rofl:

AmazonTania
09-20-2013, 04:00 PM
I wish I was on Food Stamps...