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Chris
09-20-2013, 04:17 PM
Interesting study. We like government as an idea, but in reality not so much. Are we too idealistic? Or is there really such a thing as good government?


Americans Like the Idea of Government Much Better Than the Reality (http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/19/americans-like-the-idea-of-government-mu)


If you ask them what they think in the abstract, Americans remain very much divided over the role they think government should play. A Gallup poll published today shows a three-way dead heat among fanciers of active government, aficionados of a small state, and people who answered, "wha?" But, if you throw in the very real-world matter of what government costs people and how it affects their lives, opinions shift. Then, Americans overwhelmingly discover a fondness for putting the state on a tight leash....

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Government may be one of those things that seems OK as an idea, from a distance. A far distance. But it's always wildly disappointing in real life.

midcan5
09-20-2013, 05:46 PM
Ask the rich to change as they benefit more from government than the poor. "We do face an entitlement crisis, then. But it is not the one identified by Fox News and the Neoliberal Right. It is the one concealed by the nomenclature and attacks by the Right. What’s more, as the recent economic meltdown in 2008 demonstrated, these entitlements are not only unjust, they are extremely dangerous. A class entitlement to escape regulation while putting at risk a whole society, and indeed world, is nothing to sneeze at. And as we have seen most recently, even if a world wide depression is avoided after such a meltdown, its costs and sacrifices gradually trickle down the social ladder until they, too, reach those at the middle and bottom layers of society. So, the rich and the superrich feel entitled to monopolize the largesse when growth occurs and to pass down the costs of their adventurism when the bottom falls out. That is a hell of a lot of entitlement. That is precisely why so many are so eager to publicize the false version of “the entitlement society” today, within state legislatures controlled by the Republican Party, through Superpacs allowed by the gang of five neoliberals on the Supreme Court, and on the 24 hour News Media. Reduce the deficit, they chant, by curtailing programs supporting the middle and poor classes. Quietly accept the double-trickle down process. But don’t you dare touch the entitlements of the rich that put everyone else at risk." William E. Connolly http://contemporarycondition.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-real-entitlement-crisis.html


Reason is a corporate tool as well. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Reason_Foundation

Chris
09-20-2013, 06:05 PM
Ask the rich to change as they benefit more from government than the poor. "We do face an entitlement crisis, then. But it is not the one identified by Fox News and the Neoliberal Right. It is the one concealed by the nomenclature and attacks by the Right. What’s more, as the recent economic meltdown in 2008 demonstrated, these entitlements are not only unjust, they are extremely dangerous. A class entitlement to escape regulation while putting at risk a whole society, and indeed world, is nothing to sneeze at. And as we have seen most recently, even if a world wide depression is avoided after such a meltdown, its costs and sacrifices gradually trickle down the social ladder until they, too, reach those at the middle and bottom layers of society. So, the rich and the superrich feel entitled to monopolize the largesse when growth occurs and to pass down the costs of their adventurism when the bottom falls out. That is a hell of a lot of entitlement. That is precisely why so many are so eager to publicize the false version of “the entitlement society” today, within state legislatures controlled by the Republican Party, through Superpacs allowed by the gang of five neoliberals on the Supreme Court, and on the 24 hour News Media. Reduce the deficit, they chant, by curtailing programs supporting the middle and poor classes. Quietly accept the double-trickle down process. But don’t you dare touch the entitlements of the rich that put everyone else at risk." William E. Connolly http://contemporarycondition.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-real-entitlement-crisis.html


Reason is a corporate tool as well. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Reason_Foundation




Ask the rich to change....

Seems to me you have canned responses for everything, problem is you don't match the given topic again.


Reason is a corporate tool...

Ad hom. Not one for reasonable argument, are you.



The topic is government, thank you.

Mainecoons
09-20-2013, 06:25 PM
MidCan, would you care to discuss the topic?

Thanks.

Chris, it feels good to think that government can solve all the problems. That mindset is what got us here. In actuality when its role was much more limited and its work force was dumbed down with special set asides, it did pretty good work in a lot of areas. We have a combination problem of a poor quality work force trying to do things for which it is simply not suited and which it really cannot address and often seems to be making worse.

That's why my Regressive Platform calls for ROLLBACK!