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Libhater
09-25-2013, 01:17 PM
Make sure you listen to the video of how the guy describes the chance for the SCOTUS to kill the bill's individual mandate slated for January 1st that would force people to pay a penalty for not subscribing to Obama's socialist plan. In short, obamacare is and always has been unconstitutional. If the SCOTUS does vote the bill to be unconstitutional--then the entire obamacare will be a thing of the past, and a thing that Republicans will use to win elections from now till eternity. I'm psyched!

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12645/supreme-court-may-get-second-chance-kill-obamacares-insurance-mandate/

nic34
09-25-2013, 01:18 PM
Oh GREAT, I can't wait for them to kick me off for pre-existing conditions again.....

Cigar
09-25-2013, 01:20 PM
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Libhater
09-25-2013, 01:30 PM
Tuesday October 1st 2013

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Funny one, but its the SCOTUS that will finally put the nail into this stench filled coffin of despair.

Cigar
09-25-2013, 01:33 PM
Funny one, but its the SCOTUS that will finally put the nail into this stench filled coffin of despair.

Ok ... check back with us afterwards :rollseyes:

jillian
09-25-2013, 01:38 PM
the constitutuionality of the law has already been adjudicated. there are no more appeals because the high court ruled on it. it is constitutional no matter what the wingnuts want to believe. it was constitutional under the commerce clause. it is constitutional under the section relied on by justice roberts (even though he twisted himself into a pretzel to get there).

mccain is right...

wackobirds.

Cigar
09-25-2013, 01:40 PM
:afro: Their Pride has been hurt :wink:

jillian
09-25-2013, 01:42 PM
:afro: Their Pride has been hurt :wink:


riiiiiight... and how many times did they claim orly "nutbar" taitz was going to get president obama tossed out of office?

they're funny.

Cigar
09-25-2013, 01:47 PM
riiiiiight... and how many times did they claim orly "nutbar" taitz was going to get president obama tossed out of office?

they're funny.

Come to think about it ... I can't remember when they were right about anything.

nic34
09-25-2013, 02:24 PM
I can't remember when they actually advocated something that was FOR the PEOPLE....

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:37 PM
the constitutuionality of the law
It's a tax.

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:37 PM
I can't remember when they actually advocated something that was FOR the PEOPLE....
Lower taxes.

jillian
09-25-2013, 02:39 PM
Lower taxes.


that isn't for "the people" unless you are part of the 1%. last i check the righ advocated taxing people who are below the poverty level.


but i guess that doesn't count.

jillian
09-25-2013, 02:40 PM
It's a tax.

roberts said the enforcement of the mandate was legal under the taxing power of the congress.

your point?

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:40 PM
that isn't for "the people" unless you are part of the 1%. last i check the righ advocated taxing people who are below the poverty level.


but i guess that doesn't count.
Lower taxes benefits everyone.

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:41 PM
Tuesday October 1st 2013

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I've been to Acme and they don't sell rockets.

You're lying to us again.

jillian
09-25-2013, 02:42 PM
Lower taxes benefits everyone.


no they don't... not in the same degree... and not if you cut taxes with one pen and defund someone's school, or cancer treatment, or universal pre-k or a million other things.. with the other...

and if lower taxes benefitted everyone, the economy wouldn't have crashed during the bush presidency and unemployment wouldn't have been where it was.

daddy bush was right about voodoo economics. i can't imagine why so many people keep repeating that it "helps" anyone but the wealthiest.

nic34
09-25-2013, 02:45 PM
Lower taxes.

I said "people", not the corporations share I have to make up for......

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:46 PM
no they don't... not in the same degree... and not if you cut taxes with one pen and defund someone's school, or cancer treatment, or universal pre-k or a million other things.. with the other...

and if lower taxes benefitted everyone, the economy wouldn't have crashed during the bush presidency and unemployment wouldn't have been where it was.

daddy bush was right about voodoo economics. i can't imagine why so many people keep repeating that it "helps" anyone but the wealthiest.
It was the democrats housing bubble and their increase in minimum wage that crashed the economy.
By lowering taxes President Bush saw unemployment drop fro 6.4% to 4.6%.

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:47 PM
I said "people", not the corporations share I have to make up for......
You could always petition your representatives to cut government spending if you feel that you are paying too much.

jillian
09-25-2013, 02:47 PM
You could always petition your representatives to cut government spending if you feel that you are paying too much.

probably makes more sense for eveyone to pay their fair share. unless, of course, the actual idea is to do the gover norquist thing and starve government until you can drown it in a bathtub.

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:48 PM
probably makes more sense for eveyone to pay their fair share.
Even the 47% that pay nothing?

jillian
09-25-2013, 02:53 PM
Even the 47% that pay nothing?

you think retirees on social security and deployed miltary personnel should pay taxes on their money? you think someone living below the poverty level shoudl pay taxes?

thanks for the talking point, though.

btw, those people do pay taxes and the talkking point was a lie. they pay consumption taxes and any applicable real estate taxes and gas taxes, etc.

and don't you think exxon mobil should pay taxes on the billions in profits it earns here?

shouldn't someone earning over a hundred million dollars pay more than 12%?

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 02:56 PM
you think retirees on social security and deployed miltary personnel should pay taxes on their money? you think someone living below the poverty level shoudl pay taxes?

thanks for the talking point, though.


eveyone to pay their fair share.

Look who's talking.

jillian
09-25-2013, 03:01 PM
It was the democrats housing bubble and their increase in minimum wage that crashed the economy.
By lowering taxes President Bush saw unemployment drop fro 6.4% to 4.6%.

democrats housing bubble? that's funny. bears no rational relationship to the actual causes of the crash, but it's funny:


WASHINGTON — The 2008 financial crisis was an “avoidable” disaster caused by widespread failures in government regulation, corporate mismanagement and heedless risk-taking by Wall Street, according to the conclusions of a federal inquiry.

The commission that investigated the crisis casts a wide net of blame, faulting two administrations, the Federal Reserve (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_reserve_system/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and other regulators for permitting a calamitous concoction: shoddy mortgage lending, the excessive packaging and sale of loans to investors and risky bets on securities backed by the loans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/business/economy/26inquiry.html?_r=0

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 03:06 PM
democrats housing bubble? that's funny. bears no rational relationship to the actual causes of the crash, but it's funny: ]
What's really funny is that it's true.
It was the democrat carter that enacted the community investment act. It was the democrat clinton that gave it the teeth needed for it to be used to force sub-par loans.
Even a little skinny-assed community organizer from Chicago got in on the act when he sued Citibank to force them to provide those loans. Guess what party he belongs to? That's right, the democrats.

jillian
09-25-2013, 03:15 PM
What's really funny is that it's true.
It was the democrat carter that enacted the community investment act. It was the democrat clinton that gave it the teeth needed for it to be used to force sub-par loans.
Even a little skinny-assed community organizer from Chicago got in on the act when he sued Citibank to force them to provide those loans. Guess what party he belongs to? That's right, the democrats.

CRA had little to do with the crash.. .though i know it's a racist meme on the part of the right. the CRA never required any bank to lend money to someone who didn't meet their scrutiny. all the CRA did was keep them from drawing a red line around neighborhoods regardless of creditworthiness of a particular individual.

if you want to blame a primary cause, you might want to choose derivative trading scams by the banks and the repeal of Glass-Steagall...

but why would you do that? it's so much more facile to blame the minorities who benefitted from the CRA saying banks couldn't discriminate based on race.

of course, no blame for the mortgage bankers who sold these people ARM's, telling them "don't worry. we'll re-fi you before the ARM kicks in".

they didn't tell them that if the market crashes and the value of the house didn't meet the mortgage anymore, they wouldn't get a re-fi and would lose the house if they couldn't meet their payments.

but blame the CRA. it's cool. unreasonable... and untrue... but no worries.

keymanjim
09-25-2013, 03:19 PM
CRA had little to do with the crash..
The cra is what built the bubble in the first place.

Boris The Animal
09-25-2013, 03:41 PM
you think retirees on social security and deployed miltary personnel should pay taxes on their money? you think someone living below the poverty level shoudl pay taxes?

thanks for the talking point, though.

btw, those people do pay taxes and the talkking point was a lie. they pay consumption taxes and any applicable real estate taxes and gas taxes, etc.

and don't you think exxon mobil should pay taxes on the billions in profits it earns here?

shouldn't someone earning over a hundred million dollars pay more than 12%?You mean the evuuulll rich should have to cough up more than 110% of their money to the government?

GrassrootsConservative
09-25-2013, 03:47 PM
Make sure you listen to the video of how the guy describes the chance for the SCOTUS to kill the bill's individual mandate slated for January 1st that would force people to pay a penalty for not subscribing to Obama's socialist plan. In short, obamacare is and always has been unconstitutional. If the SCOTUS does vote the bill to be unconstitutional--then the entire obamacare will be a thing of the past, and a thing that Republicans will use to win elections from now till eternity. I'm psyched!

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12645/supreme-court-may-get-second-chance-kill-obamacares-insurance-mandate/

Fuckin good. I'm 22 and fit why the hell would I want to buy insurance if I can't afford it?

Can't afford the penalty either and if they want that money they can come here and pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.

They got into debt themselves, I'm not going to pay anything more than what I have to to help them get out and fuel their reverse-racism welfare scheme. Fuck their pie-in-the-sky utopia. They can't force me to buy into their bullshit.

Fucking commies.

GrassrootsConservative
09-25-2013, 03:53 PM
If their plan is so good why do they have to mandate everyone to get on it?

roadmaster
09-25-2013, 03:57 PM
Fuckin good. I'm 22 and fit why the hell would I want to buy insurance if I can't afford it?

Can't afford the penalty either and if they want that money they can come here and pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.

They got into debt themselves, I'm not going to pay anything more than what I have to to help them get out and fuel their reverse-racism welfare scheme. Fuck their pie-in-the-sky utopia. They can't force me to buy into their bullshit.

Fucking commies.

This is what I was worried about. If you are barely making ends meet how are you suppose to pay for insurance? I have always been for the poor but if they can't afford it will they lock them up? Will more people just not go to a Dr or hospital?

Libhater
09-25-2013, 05:08 PM
This is what I was worried about. If you are barely making ends meet how are you suppose to pay for insurance? I have always been for the poor but if they can't afford it will they lock them up? Will more people just not go to a Dr or hospital?

Its good to see that you and grassroots have a finger on this monstrosity that's about to put average Americans into the poor house and destroy our economy in the process. I'll never understand why these commies continue to praise the disaster of these socialist policies.

Peter1469
09-25-2013, 06:24 PM
Oh GREAT, I can't wait for them to kick me off for pre-existing conditions again.....

Can you get fire insurance after your house catches fire?

jillian
09-25-2013, 06:28 PM
Can you get fire insurance after your house catches fire?

yes

and after a flood

but maybe insurance companies shouldn't be allowed to drop people for things not in their control...

Peter1469
09-25-2013, 06:42 PM
yes

and after a flood

but maybe insurance companies shouldn't be allowed to drop people for things not in their control...

If I was an insurer and you asked me for a policy to cover your house after it was on fire, I would ask you how much is your house worth. Let's say $250K. OK. You policy will cost $250K. :wink: Pay that, and you are covered!

jillian
09-25-2013, 06:47 PM
If I was an insurer and you asked me for a policy to cover your house after it was on fire, I would ask you how much is your house worth. Let's say $250K. OK. You policy will cost $250K. :wink: Pay that, and you are covered!

which is why insurance, espeially health insurance, should be in the public, not private, domain.

and, for the time being, the above is a good part of why more than 50% of our bankruptcies are the result of unanticipated medical problems

Peter1469
09-25-2013, 06:57 PM
which is why insurance, espeially health insurance, should be in the public, not private, domain.

and, for the time being, the above is a good part of why more than 50% of our bankruptcies are the result of unanticipated medical problems

So we aren't really talking about insurance..... Too bad the Affordable Care Act doesn't allow the old catastrophic coverage, where you pay up to a certain point, then the insurance takes over. That would solve the health care bankruptcy problem.

jillian
09-25-2013, 07:09 PM
So we aren't really talking about insurance..... Too bad the Affordable Care Act doesn't allow the old catastrophic coverage, where you pay up to a certain point, then the insurance takes over. That would solve the health care bankruptcy problem.

people without insurance don't go for well care... and we end up paying ridiculous amounts for emergency care.

what makes it workable is the participation of healthy people... same as auto insurance is paid for by the good drivers

Mr Happy
09-25-2013, 07:18 PM
What's really funny is that it's true.
It was the democrat carter that enacted the community investment act. It was the democrat clinton that gave it the teeth needed for it to be used to force sub-par loans.
Even a little skinny-assed community organizer from Chicago got in on the act when he sued Citibank to force them to provide those loans. Guess what party he belongs to? That's right, the democrats.

You forgot the most important one of all - Raygun deregulating building societies which started the whole mess in the first place..

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:08 PM
roberts said the enforcement of the mandate was legal under the taxing power of the congress.

your point?

Laws that generate revenue (taxes) must be written in the house, and this was not, while the court did rule that the tax was in fact legal, this is a different case?

And while I think that the Roberts court will not have standing, It is pretty cut and dried if they do the bill was generated in the Senate, making it unconstitutional and thus it would be void and return for the house to write the bill, which they would not!

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:10 PM
no they don't... not in the same degree... and not if you cut taxes with one pen and defund someone's school, or cancer treatment, or universal pre-k or a million other things.. with the other...

and if lower taxes benefitted everyone, the economy wouldn't have crashed during the bush presidency and unemployment wouldn't have been where it was.

daddy bush was right about voodoo economics. i can't imagine why so many people keep repeating that it "helps" anyone but the wealthiest.

Actually when you lower taxes, the government receives more revenue, but you already know that, and when you raise them the percentage that the rich pay actually goes down, because they shelter.

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:11 PM
I said "people", not the corporations share I have to make up for......

I highly doubt that you pay federal income tax?

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:19 PM
you think retirees on social security and deployed miltary personnel should pay taxes on their money? you think someone living below the poverty level shoudl pay taxes?

thanks for the talking point, though.

btw, those people do pay taxes and the talkking point was a lie. they pay consumption taxes and any applicable real estate taxes and gas taxes, etc.

and don't you think exxon mobil should pay taxes on the billions in profits it earns here?

shouldn't someone earning over a hundred million dollars pay more than 12%?

Exxon in 2011 paid 37.6 billion in taxes? just what should their fair share be.

the top 10% are paying 70% of all federal income tax what should their fair share be.

and the bottom 47% of wage earners pay zero

As far as capital gains 12% is fair being that the money has already been taxed under the higher income rate before.

It is the liberals that lie about taxes.

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:20 PM
This is what I was worried about. If you are barely making ends meet how are you suppose to pay for insurance? I have always been for the poor but if they can't afford it will they lock them up? Will more people just not go to a Dr or hospital?

If they can't afford it they will be forced to pay a fine, or tax or whatever they call it now

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:22 PM
which is why insurance, espeially health insurance, should be in the public, not private, domain.

and, for the time being, the above is a good part of why more than 50% of our bankruptcies are the result of unanticipated medical problems

This has been dis proved once before, why are you bring it back up again

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:25 PM
people without insurance don't go for well care... and we end up paying ridiculous amounts for emergency care.

what makes it workable is the participation of healthy people... same as auto insurance is paid for by the good drivers

Under the ACA, why in gods name would any healthy person pay for insurance.

We have already determined that if you get sick the insurance companies must cover your condition. If you have any savings at all, you can cover daily costs and if you get sick or need expensive treatment, you buy insurance, and they must sell it to you. the average family of 4 can save about 12K per year by doing it this way

zelmo1234
09-25-2013, 08:27 PM
You forgot the most important one of all - Raygun deregulating building societies which started the whole mess in the first place..

AH! NO! but if you look at the Carter and Clinton Community re-investment act you will find the culprit

Peter1469
09-25-2013, 08:45 PM
people without insurance don't go for well care... and we end up paying ridiculous amounts for emergency care.

what makes it workable is the participation of healthy people... same as auto insurance is paid for by the good drivers

I am not talking about people with no insurance. Catastrophic coverage is affordable. So you pay for regular visits, but if you have serious problems you are covered.

Mainecoons
09-25-2013, 09:18 PM
Under the ACA, why in gods name would any healthy person pay for insurance.

We have already determined that if you get sick the insurance companies must cover your condition. If you have any savings at all, you can cover daily costs and if you get sick or need expensive treatment, you buy insurance, and they must sell it to you. the average family of 4 can save about 12K per year by doing it this way

Exactly the failing of MassCare. Thanks to it, Massachusetts now has the highest insurance premiums in America.

Jillian thinks this is a sign of success.

:grin:

peoshi
09-25-2013, 09:36 PM
Fuckin good. I'm 22 and fit why the hell would I want to buy insurance if I can't afford it?

Can't afford the penalty either and if they want that money they can come here and pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.

They got into debt themselves, I'm not going to pay anything more than what I have to to help them get out and fuel their reverse-racism welfare scheme. Fuck their pie-in-the-sky utopia. They can't force me to buy into their bullshit.

Fucking commies.Jillian and her ilk seem to think everyone is just going to bend over and spread their cheeks like they do.

jillian
09-25-2013, 09:40 PM
Jillian and her ilk seem to think everyone is just going to bend over and spread their cheeks like they do.

well, i can tell you what ilk i'm not... i'm not a vulgar rightwingnut who spews disgusting things every time he gets on the board because he can't handle the slightest bit of discussion.

peoshi
09-25-2013, 09:58 PM
well, i can tell you what ilk i'm not... i'm not a vulgar rightwingnut who spews disgusting things every time he gets on the board because he can't handle the slightest bit of discussion.That's because you like the ability to think for yourself...you simply do what you're told.

peoshi
09-25-2013, 10:03 PM
That's because you like the ability to think for yourself...you simply do what you're told.edited for typo...like should be lack, normally wouldn't bother but I'm sure you'll grasp any straw you can.

peoshi
09-25-2013, 10:12 PM
BTW,Jillian...someone who champions killing unborn children for convenience is not in a position to be calling others "vulgar and disgusting".

Mr Happy
09-25-2013, 11:15 PM
BTW,Jillian...someone who champions killing unborn children for convenience is not in a position to be calling others "vulgar and disgusting".

She doesn't champion that. Most right to choose people don't. Instead certain folk like to use emotive language and hyperbole thinking it is will somehow enhance their point of view. It doesn't. It makes them look hyperactive and silly.

peoshi
09-25-2013, 11:27 PM
She doesn't champion that. Most right to choose people don't. Instead certain folk like to use emotive language and hyperbole thinking it is will somehow enhance their point of view. It doesn't. It makes them look hyperactive and silly.If you choose to kill a child rather than take responsibility for your own ignorance then you are championing that happy, but if it somehow makes you feel better to tell yourself otherwise go ahead.

My battery is low...see you guys tomorrow.

Mr Happy
09-25-2013, 11:53 PM
If you choose to kill a child rather than take responsibility for your own ignorance then you are championing that happy, but if it somehow makes you feel better to tell yourself otherwise go ahead.

My battery is low...see you guys tomorrow.

There you go with that emotive language again. If it were a child you might be right. It's not...go figure..

peoshi
09-26-2013, 01:41 AM
There you go with that emotive language again. If it were a child you might be right. It's not...go figure..This has been covered before,happy...apparently you have the memory of a goldfish.

Look at images of aborted children and if you don't think it's a child tell us what you think it is?

Quit using "emotive language" as an excuse to dodge questions!

If it is not a child how can you justify charging someone other than the mother with murder for killing it?

I could drag up links again but what would be point since you and jilly ignore them anyway?

Now is there something you would like to discuss on topic or are you going to try to defend jilly by dragging me into an argument over abortion?

:rollseyes:

President Wayne
09-26-2013, 06:34 AM
I can't remember when they actually advocated something that was FOR the PEOPLE....

I can't remember the last time a Democrat or Republican advocated anything for the people. After all, both feel they need to be nannies and determine our own morality. When was the last time a politician actually ran on liberty and then protected it, without trying to change something to nanny the people or force their version of morality? Exactly, not a damn one has in many years. Ya'll need to stop bashing this party or that party and realize you are only chasing your own tails.