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ptif219
09-25-2013, 06:28 PM
No I guess Obama wants people to get a divorce to be able to afford Obamacare

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-wedding-tax/



To illustrate, let’s start with the 60-year-old married couple with no children whose situation I illustrated at the end of Part 1:

http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/MarriedNoKidsAge60OcareGraph0913.png If they have identical earnings totaling $65,000, which will usually net down to $50,000 or below after all income and payroll taxes, their Obamacare exchange Silver Plan premium next year with the same earnings will be $16,382 (http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/65KobamacareMarriedNoKids16382.png), or about one-third of what used to be their take-home pay. (And they call it the “Affordable Care Act”?)
What can this couple do? Well, they could decide to earn a few thousand dollars less, which will negate the five-figure premium hit. Encouraging ordinarily willing workers to put in less effort isn’t good in any economy, but especially not this one (http://pjmedia.com/blog/this-depressing-economy/). But if either spouse’s earnings are unpredictable or hard to precisely track, they could still “mess up” and get socked with a premium they can’t afford.
The “easiest” solution would be to avoid the “wedding tax” entirely by getting divorced while still living together. Here’s what would happen if they make that choice:

http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/MarriedVsCohabit60yoOcare0913.png Instead of facing an exorbitant premium increase once their combined earnings hits $62,041 if they were to stay married, each cohabiting adult can earn up to $45,960 before Obamacare’s “tax credit”-free premiums kick in. Their annual after-tax savings at age 60 if they shack up and keep their individual earnings between $31,021 and $45,960 will range from $7,650 to over $11,000. The annual savings will slightly increase every year until Medicare kicks in at age 65. That kind of money can buy a lot of gifts for the grandkids.
But the grandkids will also face the prospect of seeing their moms and dads divorce because of Obamacare.
Let’s look at the situation of a 40-year-old couple with two children. The spouses’ annual earnings are $70,000 and $23,000, respectively:

http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/MarriedCouple93kDivorce2KidsOcare0913.png The couple’s annual unsubsidized premium while married is $11,547 (http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/Ocare93Kmarried2kidsPrem11547.png) (OFA’s vaunted “tax credits” disappear at $92,401 for married couples with two children). But if they divorce and shack up while giving custody of both children to the lower-earning spouse, their combined annual premiums, at $4,317, will be over $7,200 lower. That’s over $600 a month. As was the case in the previous example, the savings from divorce will gradually increase every year. Parents will be torn between doing what Western civilization has considered morally right for millennia and their children’s financial well-being as never before.

Peter1469
09-25-2013, 06:40 PM
The tax code in general is harmful to a married couple where both work.

jillian
09-25-2013, 06:43 PM
so why is he whining about the president and the marriage penalty?

does he not understand that the president isn't the one who legislates?

and i don't revall there ever not being a marriage penalty

Peter1469
09-25-2013, 06:52 PM
so why is he whining about the president and the marriage penalty?

does he not understand that the president isn't the one who legislates?

and i don't revall there ever not being a marriage penalty

When the tax code recognized married filling jointly, in many households the wife didn't work (apologies, managing a house hold is hard work). In that scenario, there is no marriage penalty. It is just very rare today for numerous reasons.

jillian
09-25-2013, 07:31 PM
When the tax code recognized married filling jointly, in many households the wife didn't work (apologies, managing a house hold is hard work). In that scenario, there is no marriage penalty. It is just very rare today for numerous reasons.

no offense taken. it's a different kind of work... i always worked outside the home. i have a few friends who chose to stay home. but that pretty much killed their careers because by the time they wanted to go back, their skills were outdated.

on the subject of the tax code, though, that might actually be a rational thing to discuss where there might be bi-partisan agreement...

(p.s. i still don't understand why the o/p used this subject for an anti-obama rant)

ptif219
09-25-2013, 07:37 PM
so why is he whining about the president and the marriage penalty?

does he not understand that the president isn't the one who legislates?

and i don't revall there ever not being a marriage penalty

So Obama is not responsible for Obamacare? You must be drinking again

Even Obama admits Obamacare raises taxes

http://www.atr.org/obama-obamacare-raise-taxes-things-a7883

jillian
09-25-2013, 07:43 PM
So Obama is not responsible for Obamacare? You must be drinking again

Even Obama admits Obamacare raises taxes

http://www.atr.org/obama-obamacare-raise-taxes-things-a7883

congress passed the ACA.

there has always been a marriage "penalty"

and your source isn't reliable.

ptif219
09-25-2013, 08:43 PM
congress passed the ACA.

there has always been a marriage "penalty"

and your source isn't reliable.

You mean democrats passed it it got no GOP votes. This is in Obamacare. Obamacare penalizes marriage

You always blame the source when you can not prove it wrong.

patrickt
09-26-2013, 06:35 AM
so why is he whining about the president and the marriage penalty?

does he not understand that the president isn't the one who legislates?

and i don't revall there ever not being a marriage penalty

And we all know that President Obama had absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare. We just didn't expect that to happen so soon, Jillian.