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Agravan
09-25-2013, 10:24 PM
Obama on Obamacare: “We did raise taxes on some things.”"Some things" means uninsured families, med devices,flex accounts, small businesses, people with high medical bills and even charitable hospitals.
During his Tuesday remarks (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-bill-clinton-obamacare-forum-cgi-97306.html) at the Clinton Global Initiative, President Obama admitted that his health care law raises taxes: “So what we did — it’s paid for by a combination of things. We did raise taxes on some things.”
“Some things” is an understatement. Below is just a partial list of Obamacare’s new or higher taxes on Americans:
Starting in tax year 2013:
Obamacare Medical Device Tax: Medical device manufacturers employ 409,000 people in 12,000 plants across the country. Obamacare imposes a new 2.3 percent excise tax on gross sales – even if the company does not earn a profit in a given year. In addition to killing small business jobs and impacting research and development budgets, this will make everything from pacemakers to artificial hips more expensive.
Obamacare High Medical Bills Tax: Before Obamacare, Americans facing high medical expenses were allowed a deduction to the extent that those expenses exceeded 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). Obamacare now imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Therefore, Obamacare not only makes it more difficult to claim this deduction, it widens the net of taxable income.
According to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov/file_source/pub/irs-soi/09in21id.xls), 10 million families took advantage of this tax deduction in 2009, the latest year of available data. Almost all are middle class. The average taxpayer claiming this deduction earned just over $53,000 annually. ATR estimates that the average income tax increase for the average family claiming this tax benefit will be $200 - $400 per year. To learn more about this tax, click here. (http://www.atr.org/obamacare-high-medical-bills-tax-hit-a7401)
Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Tax: The 30 - 35 million Americans who use a pre-tax Flexible Spending Account (FSA) at work to pay for their family’s basic medical needs face a new Obamacare cap of $2,500. This will squeeze $13 billion of tax money from Americans over the next ten years. (Before Obamacare, the accounts were unlimited under federal law, though employers were allowed to set a cap.) Now, a parent looking to sock away extra money to pay for braces will find themselves quickly hitting this new cap, meaning they would have to pony up some or all of the cost with after-tax dollars.
Needless to say, this tax will especially impact middle class families.
There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. Nationwide there are several million families with special needs children and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. This Obamacare tax provision will limit the options available to these families.
Obamacare Super Saver Surtax: A new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This tax hike results in the following top tax rates on investment income:




Capital Gains

Dividends

Other*



2013+

23.8%

23.8%

43.4%



*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans.
Obamacare Medicare Payroll Tax Increase:




First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee

All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee



Pre-Obamacare

1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed



Obamacare

1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed




Starting in tax year 2014:
Obamacare Individual Mandate Non-Compliance Tax: Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance – as defined by President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services -- must pay an income surtax to the IRS. The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that six million (http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/09-19-2012-indiv_mandate_penalty.pdf) American families will be liable for the tax, and as pointed out by the Associated Press: “Most would be in the middle class.” (http://news.yahoo.com/tax-penalty-hit-nearly-6m-uninsured-people-194442599.html)
In addition, 100 percent of Americans filing a tax return (140 million filers) will be forced to submit paperwork (http://www.atr.org/million-families-forced-submit-obamacare-individual-a7197) to the IRS showing they either had “qualifying” health insurance for every month of the tax year or they obtained an exemption to the mandate.
Americans liable for the surtax will pay according to the following schedule:




1 Adult

2 Adults

3+ Adults



2014

1% AGI/$95

1% AGI/$190

1% AGI/$285



2015

2% AGI/$325

2% AGI/$650

2% AGI/$975



2016 +

2.5% AGI/$695

2.5% AGI/$1390

2.5% AGI/$2085



(Delayed by Obama to 2015) Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax: If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2,000 for all full-time employees. This provision applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3,000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).
Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers: Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. The tax phases in gradually until 2018. Fully imposed on firms with $50 million in profits.
Starting in tax year 2018:
Obamacare Tax on Union Member and Early Retiree Health Insurance Plans: Obamacare imposes
a new 40 percent excise tax on high cost or “Cadillac” health insurance plans, effective in 2018. This tax increase will most directly affect union families and early retirees, who are likely to be covered by such plans. This Obamacare tax will be levied on insurance policies whose premiums exceed $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for a family. Middle class union members tend to be covered by such plans in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed.



Read more: http://atr.org/obama-obamacare-raise-taxes-things-a7883#ixzz2fxvRLhZz

AmazonTania
09-25-2013, 10:50 PM
Yeah, I was wondering how supports were going to deal with the fact that by virtue of passing Obamacare, Obama raised taxes on the middle and lower class...

Cigar
09-26-2013, 07:04 AM
The Truth ---> http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/map

Codename Section
09-26-2013, 07:12 AM
Bill Clinton said that this is a ponzi scheme to get the young and upwardly mobile to pay for everyone else.

jillian
09-26-2013, 07:12 AM
Yeah, I was wondering how supports were going to deal with the fact that by virtue of passing Obamacare, Obama raised taxes on the middle and lower class...

he didn't.

and didn't seem to be a problem during the last election even after payroll taxes went up a reasonable amount, did it?

Cigar
09-26-2013, 07:13 AM
Bill Clinton said that this is a ponzi scheme to get the young and upwardly mobile to pay for everyone else.

Link please ...

jillian
09-26-2013, 07:16 AM
Bill Clinton said that this is a ponzi scheme to get the young and upwardly mobile to pay for everyone else.

one, you are making up things. he never used the words "ponzi scheme" that is rightwingnutspeak for social security or anything else where people have to pay into a system they don't like.

two... clearly you don't understand how insurance is priced. it is based on risk-assessment. and when you have a pool of healthy people who make little use of their health insurance and other people who make greater use of their insurance, the industry is able to price that insurance in a way that allows the insurance to be affordable for everyone. it also allows the insurance companies to be able to afford to continue to pay for people with pre-existing illnesses so that grandma doesn't go broke paying for medical care after she's had cancer.

but i guess that's a terrible thing because you've been told it's a terrible thing.

patrickt
09-26-2013, 08:13 AM
Poor Jillian. Still struggling to defend the indefensible. Perhaps she needs to learn what a Ponzi scheme is? Perhaps she needs to learn what the lower-class and middle-class signify besides liberal rhetoric? Perhaps she needs to learn what a tax is, a regressive tax is, and a progressive tax is. And, perhaps she needs to learn what lying means?

Or, perhaps not. She's happy living in LibWorld where a promise to not raise taxes means taxes weren't raised even if they were.

Mainecoons
09-26-2013, 08:15 AM
It's going to be fun watching Jill fulminate after she elects that socialist Mayor who will have NYC back in the bad old days in no time only this time without a lot of high income taxpayers to rip off.

Cigar
09-26-2013, 08:19 AM
one, you are making up things. he never used the words "ponzi scheme" that is rightwingnutspeak for social security or anything else where people have to pay into a system they don't like.

two... clearly you don't understand how insurance is priced. it is based on risk-assessment. and when you have a pool of healthy people who make little use of their health insurance and other people who make greater use of their insurance, the industry is able to price that insurance in a way that allows the insurance to be affordable for everyone. it also allows the insurance companies to be able to afford to continue to pay for people with pre-existing illnesses so that grandma doesn't go broke paying for medical care after she's had cancer.

but i guess that's a terrible thing because you've been told it's a terrible thing.

I didn't think they would post any facts from a link :rollseyes:

jillian
09-26-2013, 08:22 AM
It's going to be fun watching Jill fulminate after she elects that socialist Mayor who will have NYC back in the bad old days in no time only this time without a lot of high income taxpayers to rip off.


i didn't know giuliani was a socialist when i voted for him.

and i didn't vote for diblasio in the primary.

but llota couldn't even run the mta.

it *is* a quandry.

but it's not like you're actually asking about things i actually believe. you'd rather just make up what i believe and then rage against what you've made up in your head.

Mainecoons
09-26-2013, 08:28 AM
It sure is. A smart person would be looking for the exits from NYC.

And a lot of them are.


By John Merline | Investor's Business Daily | March 28, 2013Americans are migrating from less-free liberal states to more-free conservative states, where they are doing better economically, according to a new study published Thursday by the George Mason University's Mercatus Center.
The "Freedom in the 50 States" study measured economic and personal freedom using a wide range of criteria, including tax rates, government spending and debt, regulatory burdens, and state laws covering land use, union organizing, gun control, education choice and more.
It found that the freest states tended to be conservative "red" states, while the least free were liberal "blue" states.
The freest state overall, the researchers concluded, was
North Dakota, followed by South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire and Oklahoma. The least free state by far was New York, followed by California, New Jersey, Hawaii and Rhode Island.
Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/032813-649561-americans-are-migrat... (http://news.investors.com/032813-649561-americans-are-migrating-to-more-free-republican-states.aspx#ixzz2OqPwGAt5)

jillian
09-26-2013, 12:26 PM
It sure is. A smart person would be looking for the exits from NYC.

And a lot of them are.

i love new york city. my son goes to an amazing public school that has given him opportunity far beyond what he'd have had in other areas of the country. we have broadway and museums and the things we love. i have a paid for co-op with a terrace and my husband and i both make more money at what we do than we'd make elsewhere.

i'm ok with it.

and i don't buy the commentary in the article you posted. that whole "free" "not free" silliness......as it seems more correlation than cause.

it isn't unreasonable, however, to think people would leave new york and other more well-to-do blue states because of the expenses associated with living there.

that wouldn't surprise me.

but no one is leaving because bloomberg said they had to buy two 15-oz sodas instead of a 30 oz soda.