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Alyosha
09-26-2013, 11:11 AM
http://www.dailypaul.com/300437/rand-paul-joins-sen-mark-udall-ron-wydens-nsa-reform-bill-must-be-abolished-not-reformed-but-its-a-step

Mark Udall and a bipartisan coalition of U.S. senators, including Ron
Wyden (D-Ore.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), unveiled wide-ranging legislation
to reform domestic surveillance laws and the secret Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Court. Among many actions, this bill would end the bulk
collection of phone records of law-abiding Americans, close the
"back-door searches" loophole that allows the government to search for
Americans' communications without a warrant and create an independent
constitutional advocate to argue significant cases before the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Court.


http://youtu.be/vtT0J2xAu-s

Chris
09-26-2013, 12:05 PM
I like especially the last part: "create an independent
constitutional advocate to argue significant cases before the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Court."

I would argue this position needs to be outside the government, otherwise it's just more of the same fox guarding the chicken coop. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Alyosha
09-26-2013, 12:07 PM
I agree. It's a start, but I'd just abolish the NSA and CIA. Any agencies who have violated their charter and performed illegal actions should be shut down.

I'm not a "greater good" person when it comes to government.

Ethereal
09-26-2013, 12:08 PM
"Our critics say we cannot protect both safety and privacy, but that is a false choice."

http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

Chris
09-26-2013, 12:22 PM
I agree. It's a start, but I'd just abolish the NSA and CIA. Any agencies who have violated their charter and performed illegal actions should be shut down.

I'm not a "greater good" person when it comes to government.



One small step at a time, but I agree.


There is no such thing as greater good, not that can be designed at least, perhaps the social order that emerges from individual interactions and exchanges.

Chris
09-26-2013, 12:24 PM
"Our critics say we cannot protect both safety and privacy, but that is a false choice."

http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif



"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin


:applause:

Green Arrow
09-26-2013, 04:36 PM
Udall is growing on me more and more. I never really gave him that much thought, because he seemed like a low-tier pol, but now that I've actually been looking into him, he seems to be in the same class as Wyden, Paul, Cruz, Lee, and Amash.

nic34
09-26-2013, 04:37 PM
Udall is growing on me more and more. I never really gave him that much thought, because he seemed like a low-tier pol, but now that I've actually been looking into him, he seems to be in the same class as Wyden, Paul, Cruz, Lee, and Amash.

I don't think so.

Green Arrow
09-26-2013, 05:00 PM
I don't think so.

Based on what?

Mainecoons
09-26-2013, 05:11 PM
I don't think so.

We're still waiting for you to think, period.