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Agravan
09-26-2013, 11:16 AM
Morning Bell: $43,000 Per HouseholdAmy Payne (http://blog.heritage.org/author/apayne/)
September 26, 2013 at 6:00 am


Did you know that since President Obama came into office, the debt limit has been raised seven times?
With those increases, Congress has added $43,000 in debt for every American household in just the last four years.
And now the debt limit deadline is looming again. Treasury will run out of tricks to keep paying the bills on October 17, Secretary Jack Lew announced yesterday (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/25/plan-to-suspend-debt-limit-means-debt-would-rise-to-17-8-trillion/).
Instead of pursuing significant spending cuts and entitlement reforms that are desperately needed to get spending under control, House Republicans reportedly are proposing to suspend the debt ceiling for more than a year, which would add $1.1 trillion to the debt.
So, take that $43,000 per household that was added in the last four years and tack on another $8,800 per household.
What happened the last time Congress raised the debt ceiling? Did they accomplish any meaningful spending cuts before increasing the debt limit? In a word, no (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/25/plan-to-suspend-debt-limit-means-debt-would-rise-to-17-8-trillion/):

Congress and the President last suspended the debt ceiling from February 4, 2013, through May 18, 2013, adding $300 billion to the national debt in less than four months. Their only request was that the Senate produce a budget for the first time in four years, which it did. No savings were accomplished.
No savings.
This is unacceptable.
As Heritage’s Romina Boccia, the Grover M. Hermann Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs, wrote yesterday:

Congress should implement spending cuts and entitlement reforms before—or as part of—an increase in the debt ceiling. Lawmakers still have time to put forth a plan that puts the budget on a path to balance and avoids a debt crisis today and in the future (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/09/debt-limit-options-and-the-way-forward). The clock is ticking.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/26/morning-bell-43000-per-household/

Alyosha
09-26-2013, 11:19 AM
No offense, but McCain would have done the same. Tell me when he disagrees with Obama. I'll wait. While you're at it, tell me how Romney could have fixed things by now.

I'm not an Obama fan, but this country is run by Keynesians on the left and right and all of our problems stem with the Federal Reserves system. Unless you abolish it you will only see more of the same, an up down roller coaster where your money is worth less and less every year.

Agravan
09-26-2013, 11:19 AM
Why even have a debt limit if it's continuously being raised?

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006

jillian
09-26-2013, 11:23 AM
Morning Bell: $43,000 Per Household

Amy Payne (http://blog.heritage.org/author/apayne/)
September 26, 2013 at 6:00 am


Did you know that since President Obama came into office, the debt limit has been raised seven times?
With those increases, Congress has added $43,000 in debt for every American household in just the last four years.
And now the debt limit deadline is looming again. Treasury will run out of tricks to keep paying the bills on October 17, Secretary Jack Lew announced yesterday (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/25/plan-to-suspend-debt-limit-means-debt-would-rise-to-17-8-trillion/).
Instead of pursuing significant spending cuts and entitlement reforms that are desperately needed to get spending under control, House Republicans reportedly are proposing to suspend the debt ceiling for more than a year, which would add $1.1 trillion to the debt.
So, take that $43,000 per household that was added in the last four years and tack on another $8,800 per household.
What happened the last time Congress raised the debt ceiling? Did they accomplish any meaningful spending cuts before increasing the debt limit? In a word, no (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/25/plan-to-suspend-debt-limit-means-debt-would-rise-to-17-8-trillion/):
Congress and the President last suspended the debt ceiling from February 4, 2013, through May 18, 2013, adding $300 billion to the national debt in less than four months. Their only request was that the Senate produce a budget for the first time in four years, which it did. No savings were accomplished.

No savings.
This is unacceptable.
As Heritage’s Romina Boccia, the Grover M. Hermann Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs, wrote yesterday:
Congress should implement spending cuts and entitlement reforms before—or as part of—an increase in the debt ceiling. Lawmakers still have time to put forth a plan that puts the budget on a path to balance and avoids a debt crisis today and in the future (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/09/debt-limit-options-and-the-way-forward). The clock is ticking.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/26/morning-bell-43000-per-household/



did tom DE=LAY and the boys at heritage tell you that a government shut down will cost:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/23/a-government-shutdown-will-cost-us-billions/

did they tell you that reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times in his two terms and baby bush 7 times? i don't recall hearing a single word until you whiners lost the white house to president obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

you need to get over it.

Cigar
09-26-2013, 11:23 AM
Reagan did it 18 times :rollseyes:

Agravan
09-26-2013, 11:26 AM
Reagan did it 18 times :rollseyes:

That's my point. why even have one, then?

Alyosha
09-26-2013, 11:30 AM
did tom DE=LAY and the boys at heritage tell you that a government shut down will cost:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/23/a-government-shutdown-will-cost-us-billions/

did they tell you that reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times in his two terms and baby bush 7 times? i don't recall hearing a single word until you whiners lost the white house to president obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

you need to get over it.

As a libertarian, I can say that it's bullshit. How's that? The government cannot just run up the debt on our children and grandchildren.

I swear, I cannot wait until the baby boomers croak. They are the most selfish, horrible generation on the planet.

Cigar
09-26-2013, 11:31 AM
Let's change the Rules when the Black Guy is in office :grin:

Agravan
09-26-2013, 11:33 AM
Let's change the Rules when the Black Guy is in office :grin:

Didn't take you long to bring race into this, did it, scumbag?

Mainecoons
09-26-2013, 11:34 AM
did tom DE=LAY and the boys at heritage tell you that a government shut down will cost:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/23/a-government-shutdown-will-cost-us-billions/

did they tell you that reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times in his two terms and baby bush 7 times? i don't recall hearing a single word until you whiners lost the white house to president obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

you need to get over it.

Let's start with a little remedial education for this obviously challenged poster.

The POTUS does not raise the debt limit. The Congress does that.

Now would said challenged poster care to review the actual dollar amounts added to the debt by each administration?

Is it the position of said challenged poster that it is OK for the administration she shills for to do it since the others did? Do three wrongs make a right?

Cigar
09-26-2013, 11:36 AM
Didn't take you long to bring race into this, did it, scumbag?

That's right Azz-Hole

Agravan
09-26-2013, 11:38 AM
That's right Azz-Hole
Uh-oh, you wearing your big by panties again, little man?

Cigar
09-26-2013, 11:41 AM
Uh-oh, you wearing your big by panties again, little man?

Actually ... those are not my panties that are on the bedroom floor. :grin:

Look familiar :laugh:

bladimz
09-26-2013, 12:07 PM
Let's knock off the pissing match and return to the thread discussion

Cigar
09-26-2013, 12:13 PM
OK :wink: must be my hair trigger keyboard :grin:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5000034566997346&w=243&h=164&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7

bladimz
09-26-2013, 12:15 PM
Morning Bell: $43,000 Per Household

Amy Payne (http://blog.heritage.org/author/apayne/)
September 26, 2013 at 6:00 am


Did you know that since President Obama came into office, the debt limit has been raised seven times?
With those increases, Congress has added $43,000 in debt for every American household in just the last four years.
And now the debt limit deadline is looming again. Treasury will run out of tricks to keep paying the bills on October 17, Secretary Jack Lew announced yesterday (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/25/plan-to-suspend-debt-limit-means-debt-would-rise-to-17-8-trillion/).
Instead of pursuing significant spending cuts and entitlement reforms that are desperately needed to get spending under control, House Republicans reportedly are proposing to suspend the debt ceiling for more than a year, which would add $1.1 trillion to the debt.
So, take that $43,000 per household that was added in the last four years and tack on another $8,800 per household.
What happened the last time Congress raised the debt ceiling? Did they accomplish any meaningful spending cuts before increasing the debt limit? In a word, no (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/25/plan-to-suspend-debt-limit-means-debt-would-rise-to-17-8-trillion/):
Congress and the President last suspended the debt ceiling from February 4, 2013, through May 18, 2013, adding $300 billion to the national debt in less than four months. Their only request was that the Senate produce a budget for the first time in four years, which it did. No savings were accomplished.

No savings.
This is unacceptable.
As Heritage’s Romina Boccia, the Grover M. Hermann Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs, wrote yesterday:
Congress should implement spending cuts and entitlement reforms before—or as part of—an increase in the debt ceiling. Lawmakers still have time to put forth a plan that puts the budget on a path to balance and avoids a debt crisis today and in the future (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/09/debt-limit-options-and-the-way-forward). The clock is ticking.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/26/morning-bell-43000-per-household/

Raising the debt ceiling is a bogus issue that has become in essence just another dart thrown at the current administration. How many times has the debt ceiling been such so contentious under any former POTUS?


Every President since Herbert Hoover has added to the national debt expressed in absolute dollars. The debt ceiling has been raised 74 times since March 1962,[1] including 18 times under Ronald Reagan, eight times under Bill Clinton, seven times under George W. Bush, and three times under Barack Obama.
http://goo.gl/8P6SCu

jillian
09-26-2013, 12:33 PM
Raising the debt ceiling is a bogus issue that has become in essence just another dart thrown at the current administration. How many times has the debt ceiling been such so contentious under any former POTUS?

isn't that funny... 3 times under president obama and they're in melt down.

ah well, they've been in melt down since the black guy moved into the white house.

oh right... his color has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Peter1469
09-26-2013, 04:28 PM
It is not the color, it is the polices- or lack thereof.

Mainecoons
09-26-2013, 06:06 PM
isn't that funny... 3 times under president obama and they're in melt down.

ah well, they've been in melt down since the black guy moved into the white house.

oh right... his color has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Aside from the usual race baiting from you, do these numbers ring any bells for you?


President Barack Obama:President Obama contributed the most to the debt, with cumulative deficits totaling $5.073 trillion in just four years. Obama's budgets included the economic stimulus package, which added $787 billion by cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits (http://useconomy.about.com/od/suppl1/p/Unemployment-Benefits-Extensions.htm), and funding job-creating public works projects. The Obama tax cuts (http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederaltaxesandtax/tp/Obama-Tax-Cuts.htm) added $858 billion to the debt over two years. Obama's budget included increased defense spending (http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/p/military_budget.htm) to around $800 billion a year.Federal income (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/Budget_Income.htm) was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis (http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/f/What-Is-the-Global-Financial-Crisis-of-2008.htm).Both Presidents Bush and Obama had to contend with higher mandatory mandatory spending (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/Mandatory.htm)for Social Security (http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/Soc_Sec_Trust.htm) and Medicare. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (http://useconomy.about.com/od/healthcarereform/f/Patient-Affordable-Care-Act.htm), which was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. However, these savings didn't show up until the later years.

President George W. Bush:President Bush is next, racking up $3.294 trillion over two terms. He responded to the attacks on 9/11 by launching the War on Terror (http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/f/War_on_Terror_Facts.htm). This drove military spending to a new records, between $600-$800 billion a year. President Bush also responded to the 2001 recession by passing EGTRRA (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/EGTRRA.htm) and JGTRRA (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/JGTRRA.htm), otherwise known as the Bush tax cuts (http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederaltaxesandtax/tp/President-George-Bush-Income-Tax-Cuts.htm).
President Ronald Reagan:President Reagan added $1.412 trillion to the debt during his two terms. He fought the 1982 recession by cutting the top income tax rate from 70% to 28%, and the corporate rate from 48% to 34%. He also increased government spending (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/Budget_Spending.htm) by 2.5% a year. This included a 35% increase in the defense budget, and an expansion of Medicare. Although $1.412 trillion doesn't sound like a lot, compared to 2012 debt levels, in fact Reagan's economic policies (http://useconomy.about.com/od/Politics/p/President-Ronald-Reagan-Economic-Policies.htm)doubled the debt during his Presidency.
President George H.W. Bush:President George H.W. Bush added $1.03 trillion to the debt in one term. He responded to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait with Desert Storm. He oversaw the $125 billion bailout to end the1989 Savings and Loan crisis (http://useconomy.about.com/od/grossdomesticproduct/p/89_Bank_Crisis.htm). Part of his debt contribution was due to lost tax revenue from the 1991 recession.
Although many other Presidents added to the debt, none comes close to these four in terms of overall spending. Part of that is because the U.S. economy, as measured by GDP (http://useconomy.about.com/od/grossdomesticproduct/p/GDP.htm), was so much smaller for other Presidents. For example, in 1981 GDP was only $3 trillion, growing by five times to $15 trillion in 2012. See the table below for a year-by-year detail of each President's budget deficit (http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/Budget_Deficit.htm) since President Woodrow Wilson. (Updated January 31, 2013)

http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm

And, please, don't try and shirk responsibility for the porkulus. It was passed by the Democrat controlled Congress. Obama did nothing to cut it back. Nothing.

patrickt
09-26-2013, 07:30 PM
The Democrats have to spend more money. They can't get votes any other way. They certainly won't get votes on anything they've done since they've been in power.

Mainecoons
09-26-2013, 07:34 PM
I'll never figure out why they don't love Bush II given the way he grew government, increased debt and pissed away money. Junior was one of theirs for sure.

ptif219
09-27-2013, 01:27 AM
No offense, but McCain would have done the same. Tell me when he disagrees with Obama. I'll wait. While you're at it, tell me how Romney could have fixed things by now.

I'm not an Obama fan, but this country is run by Keynesians on the left and right and all of our problems stem with the Federal Reserves system. Unless you abolish it you will only see more of the same, an up down roller coaster where your money is worth less and less every year.

Obama is not a leader and is incompetent to fix the economy or unemployment.

ptif219
09-27-2013, 01:29 AM
did tom DE=LAY and the boys at heritage tell you that a government shut down will cost:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/23/a-government-shutdown-will-cost-us-billions/

did they tell you that reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times in his two terms and baby bush 7 times? i don't recall hearing a single word until you whiners lost the white house to president obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

you need to get over it.

They also had budgets. We would not be talking government shutdown if Reid and Obama would pass a budget. They are in neglect of their duties

ptif219
09-27-2013, 01:31 AM
As a libertarian, I can say that it's bullshit. How's that? The government cannot just run up the debt on our children and grandchildren.

I swear, I cannot wait until the baby boomers croak. They are the most selfish, horrible generation on the planet.

Wait it will not get better.

ptif219
09-27-2013, 01:33 AM
Raising the debt ceiling is a bogus issue that has become in essence just another dart thrown at the current administration. How many times has the debt ceiling been such so contentious under any former POTUS?

How many administrations refuse to pass a budget?

ptif219
09-27-2013, 01:33 AM
isn't that funny... 3 times under president obama and they're in melt down.

ah well, they've been in melt down since the black guy moved into the white house.

oh right... his color has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

This the 8th raise and yet no budget

Agravan
09-27-2013, 07:12 AM
This the 8th raise and yet no budget

And THAT is the difference between this president and every other president that raised the debt limit.
that and the fact that he's black (Because that is the left's usual BS claim)

Cigar
09-27-2013, 07:16 AM
This the 8th raise and yet no budget

10 less than 18 :grin:

Agravan
09-27-2013, 07:31 AM
10 less than 18 :grin:

and ZERO budgets.

zelmo1234
09-27-2013, 07:32 AM
10 less than 18 :grin:

I actually wish that they would have 18, the reason that some Presidents had a lot, is because they used very small raises in the ceiling to try and get more spending cuts, each and every time it needed to be moved.

Of course they ran into people like princess Polosie, which says that there is absolutely no cuts that can be made, NONE the cupboard is bare.

Right off the top of my head, there are several cuts that come to mind.

#1 study to see how snakes react to a robotic squirrel


#2 Ann Arbor Arts festival


#3 Nevada Cowboy poetry festival


#4 Planed Parenthood, the will no longer need funding, because everyone is required to have insurance, and all the screening is paid 100%


#5 Public Radio, they will have no trouble with funding the funding from Sesame Street and News Hour alone would more than make up for the loss in federal funding.


Folks without looking I just came up with almost a Billion in cuts. But Democrats can't find one, not one!


And that is the problem.

Cigar
09-27-2013, 07:34 AM
and ZERO budgets.

Do you know a Republican who will Vote Yes?

zelmo1234
09-27-2013, 07:37 AM
Do you know a Republican who will Vote Yes?

Actually the republicans have passed a budget each year, and they had some Democratic votes with it, but Dingy Harry would not bring it up even for debate in the Senate?

Now what possible harm could come from debating a budget.

jillian
09-27-2013, 07:38 AM
Do you know a Republican who will Vote Yes?

i love how if they aren't given what they want when they throw giant temper tantrums they blame the president (or the democrats) for the right's failure to pass anything.

it's like the little kid who is told he can't eat dessert before dinner, throws a tantrum and then blames his mother for sending him to his room instead of just letting him eat dessert.

(although that might be a stretch... i don't think most kids are that childish).

Agravan
09-27-2013, 07:45 AM
Do you know a Republican who will Vote Yes?


i love how if they aren't given what they want when they throw giant temper tantrums they blame the president (or the democrats) for the right's failure to pass anything.

it's like the little kid who is told he can't eat dessert before dinner, throws a tantrum and then blames his mother for sending him to his room instead of just letting him eat dessert.

(although that might be a stretch... i don't think most kids are that childish).

Not even DEMOCRATS voted yes. You people need to read up on these things before you, again, make utter fools of yourselves.

jillian
09-27-2013, 08:02 AM
Actually the republicans have passed a budget each year, and they had some Democratic votes with it, but Dingy Harry would not bring it up even for debate in the Senate?

Now what possible harm could come from debating a budget.

no. the rightwing house passed budgets they intentionally knew would be unacceptable to anyone on the democratic side of the aisle...

not sure why you would expect anyone to pass something that was intentionally made unacceptable.

oh yeah... because rightwingers think they should get what they want even when they've lost.

zelmo1234
09-27-2013, 08:39 AM
i love how if they aren't given what they want when they throw giant temper tantrums they blame the president (or the democrats) for the right's failure to pass anything.

it's like the little kid who is told he can't eat dessert before dinner, throws a tantrum and then blames his mother for sending him to his room instead of just letting him eat dessert.

(although that might be a stretch... i don't think most kids are that childish).

He is a question for you ?

How many democratic votes did the Presidents proposed budgets receive in congress or the senate. You can use a round number if you like

How many budget proposals has the democratic Senate passed in the past 5 years,

How many budgets has the republican lead house passed in the 3 years that republican have had control, hint the answer is in the question

This is why you liberals can't be trusted, you blame people that actually did their job.

I can't believe that any thinking person would not say, Yes I wish my party would get together and pass a budget!

zelmo1234
09-27-2013, 08:42 AM
no. the rightwing house passed budgets they intentionally knew would be unacceptable to anyone on the democratic side of the aisle...

not sure why you would expect anyone to pass something that was intentionally made unacceptable.

oh yeah... because rightwingers think they should get what they want even when they've lost.

So you don't even bring it up for debate in the Senate and amend it and send it back to the house.

The President has issues 3 budgets that have been voted on, one he pulled before the vote, the other 2 were unable to get one democrat in the house or senate to vote for it! NOT ONE!

The Senate will not even produce a budget proposal to get debate started.

What would it hurt to talk about it?????????

The truth is they know that if they pass a budget there are going to be real spending cuts, and that is why they don't want a budget, can we at least agree on that?

Agravan
09-27-2013, 09:51 AM
no. the rightwing house passed budgets they intentionally knew would be unacceptable to anyone on the democratic side of the aisle...

not sure why you would expect anyone to pass something that was intentionally made unacceptable.

oh yeah... because rightwingers think they should get what they want even when they've lost.
Like obamacare?

Cigar
09-27-2013, 09:53 AM
Like obamacare?

Deal with it, enrollments starts Tuesday October 1st 2013, and nothing is going to stop it.

Obamacare is here to stay.

Agravan
09-27-2013, 09:54 AM
no. the rightwing house passed budgets they intentionally knew would be unacceptable to anyone on the democratic side of the aisle...

not sure why you would expect anyone to pass something that was intentionally made unacceptable.

oh yeah... because rightwingers think they should get what they want even when they've lost.Like obamacare? And the hurricane Sandy relief bill?

ptif219
09-27-2013, 12:06 PM
10 less than 18 :grin:

Should not be allowed if they can not pass a budget

ptif219
09-27-2013, 12:08 PM
Do you know a Republican who will Vote Yes?

The budget comes from the House it is Reid blocking the budgets

ptif219
09-27-2013, 12:09 PM
i love how if they aren't given what they want when they throw giant temper tantrums they blame the president (or the democrats) for the right's failure to pass anything.

it's like the little kid who is told he can't eat dessert before dinner, throws a tantrum and then blames his mother for sending him to his room instead of just letting him eat dessert.

(although that might be a stretch... i don't think most kids are that childish).

It is the democrats doing that today in the senate

ptif219
09-27-2013, 12:11 PM
no. the rightwing house passed budgets they intentionally knew would be unacceptable to anyone on the democratic side of the aisle...

not sure why you would expect anyone to pass something that was intentionally made unacceptable.

oh yeah... because rightwingers think they should get what they want even when they've lost.

You mean Obama proposed budgets that got 0 yes votes. Not one democrat voted for them

bladimz
09-30-2013, 10:03 AM
It is not the color, it is the polices- or lack thereof.I believe that's how feel, Peter. But I don't think that's the reasoning behind the majority of his opposents.

jillian
09-30-2013, 10:03 AM
It is not the color, it is the polices- or lack thereof.

no. it isn't.... and if it is "lack thereof", why are they having a nervous breakdown and lying about everything that the adminstration does?

if it were so terrible, truth would suffice.

like it did for bush... (over whom the loons never went into meltdown even when he had a 28% approval rating).

Agravan
09-30-2013, 10:05 AM
no. it isn't.... and if it is "lack thereof", why are they having a nervous breakdown and lying about everything that the adminstration does?

if it were so terrible, truth would suffice.

like it did for bush... (over whom the loons never went into meltdown even when he had a 28% approval rating).
But the loons DID go into meltdown:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-looney.jpg

bladimz
09-30-2013, 10:23 AM
But the loons DID go into meltdown:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-looney.jpg...A kids' cartoon icon response. No surprise there.

Agravan
09-30-2013, 10:25 AM
...A kids' cartoon icon response. No surprise there.
I'm crushed at your response.

ptif219
09-30-2013, 05:46 PM
no. it isn't.... and if it is "lack thereof", why are they having a nervous breakdown and lying about everything that the adminstration does?

if it were so terrible, truth would suffice.

like it did for bush... (over whom the loons never went into meltdown even when he had a 28% approval rating).

Show proof of lies

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359949/illinois-florida-having-trouble-obamacare-navigators-sterling-beard

http://thehill.com/video/sunday-shows/325355-barrasso-duct-tape-and-chicken-wire-holding-together-obamacare-exchanges

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-quietly-deletes-reference-free-health-care_757348.html

jillian
09-30-2013, 05:48 PM
Show proof of lies


i've posted the factcheck site on about half a dozen threads. it doesn't matter... the wingers pick a winger opinion site and pretend it's "fact" and not obama-deranged.

ptif219
09-30-2013, 05:51 PM
i've posted the factcheck site on about half a dozen threads. it doesn't matter... the wingers pick a winger opinion site and pretend it's "fact" and not obama-deranged.

Show real proof that site is about as good as Media matters or WND

jillian
09-30-2013, 05:52 PM
But the loons DID go into meltdown:


really? dems shut down the government when bush was appointed to the presidency by the court?

Agravan
09-30-2013, 07:12 PM
really? dems shut down the government when bush was appointed to the presidency by the court?
Bush won the presidency fairly, as the MANY recounts in Democratic strongholds showed.
You see, that's how you guys steal elections. You keep doing recounts until you get ONE that puts your guy ahead, regardless if 120 put the other guy ahead. Of course that ONE instance has to be accurate and the 120 others were mistakes, right jillian?
that's how Franken got in, by the mysterious "finding" of ballots in someone's car.
Gore, and the Democrats, tried to steal the election by trying to magically ascertain who the voter really "intended" to vote for.