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Cigar
09-27-2013, 10:00 AM
“The American people don’t want this bill” is a lie of truly epic dimensions, because the American people have voted FOR Obamacare, time and time again.

First, they elected Obama in 2008, and he ran on a platform that actually included even MORE health care than Obamacare delivered. That’s a vote for Obamacare.

Then they re-elected Obama in 2012, when he ran against Romney/Ryan, whose platform included ditching Obamacare. That’s a vote for Obamacare.

They also cast more votes for House Democrats in 2012 than they did for House “Republicans” (the Repubs kept the House via election rigging, gerrymandering, etc.) That’s another vote for Obamacare.

Every time Obamacare’s individual provisions are mentioned in polls, they get huge public support. It’s just the word “Obamacare” that people view through suspicious eyes (and small wonder, given the smear campaign that Repubs have waged against it over the years).

And that, Gentle Reader, is why the lie “The American people don’t want this bill” is the biggest Obamacare of them all. Yes, there are some people who DON’T want Obamacare, but they are in the minority."

The majority of the American People voted for Obamacare, loudly and repeatedly. It’s high time the “Republicans” respected the clearly-expressed will of the people, and get the hell out of the way if they don’t like it. Congress is supposed to work for US, not the other way around.

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AmazonTania
09-27-2013, 10:03 AM
No, Obama wasn't reelected because the American people wanted Obamacare.

jillian
09-27-2013, 10:32 AM
No, Obama wasn't reelected because the American people wanted Obamacare.

You mean no matter how much they hate the ACA, they hated Romney more?

Mainecoons
09-27-2013, 10:33 AM
No, the conservatives couldn't stomach Romney and they stayed home.

You know this, it has been discussed ad nauseum on this board, why do you keep pretending it was something else?

Cigar
09-27-2013, 10:34 AM
No, Obama wasn't reelected because the American people wanted Obamacare.

Let me guess, this was your personal professional poll of each and every Democratic Voter ... ?

Why no one asked me?

Cigar
09-27-2013, 10:36 AM
No, the conservatives couldn't stomach Romney and they stayed home.

You know this, it has been discussed ad nauseum on this board, why do you keep pretending it was something else?

What ... couldn't get his 47% excited :laugh:

The fact is ... the country isn't moving to the far right ... they're actually getting old and dieing off.

Chris
09-27-2013, 10:37 AM
The majority of the American People voted for Obamacare, loudly and repeatedly.

So Obamacare is president, who's that other guy who likes to talk so much?

The people didn't vote for Obamacare.


The American people have made it abundantly clear that they do not want Obamacare. In fact, a majority of elected officials, the same officials that voted to implement this health care mandate, do not want it, either.

Rand Paul @ Why must the American people suffer when even so many Democrats don’t want Obamacare? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/27/paul-suffering-the-sting-of-obamacare/#ixzz2g6kWpfvF)

Captain Obvious
09-27-2013, 10:39 AM
The false assumption is that voting tendencies and Obamacare approval are synchronous when in fact there is nothing here that shows a correlation.

I thought you were smarter than that, Cigs.

Cigar
09-27-2013, 10:40 AM
So Obamacare is president, who's that other guy who likes to talk so much?

The people didn't vote for Obamacare.



Rand Paul @ Why must the American people suffer when even so many Democrats don’t want Obamacare? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/27/paul-suffering-the-sting-of-obamacare/#ixzz2g6kWpfvF)

How many times do you have to lose an argument before you believe ... :wink:

Chris
09-27-2013, 10:41 AM
You mean no matter how much they hate the ACA, they hated Romney more?



Stop it with the fake innuendo of hypocrisy.

Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare (http://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2008/lessons-fall-romneycare)
Big ‘Romneycare’ secret: It didn’t rein in costs (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81837.html)
Sorry, Liberals, RomneyCare Is Still Not Working (http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/06/sorry-liberals-romneycare-is-still-not-w)

Mainecoons
09-27-2013, 10:47 AM
No, the majority of the American people didn't vote for Obama or ObamaCare.


Thursday's report, from the Center for the Study of the American Electorate, put 2012 voter turnout at 57.5% of all eligible voters, compared to 62.3% who voted in 2008 and 60.4% who cast ballots in 2004. In 2000, the turnout rate was 54.2%.The group estimated 126 million people voted in the election, where President Barack Obama defeated GOP nominee Mitt Romney. That means 93 million eligible citizens did not cast ballots.


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/election-results-2012-voter-turnout-lower-than-2008-and-2004-report-says#ixzz2g6mdisxJ


57.5% of the voters turned out in 2012. So applying Obama's win percentage to that number, you find that less than 31 percent of the electorate voted for Obama.

This is so elementary I would think even a self declared math "expert" could figure it out.

Unless he really didn't want to.

Cigar
09-27-2013, 10:49 AM
4 Million 984 Thousand and 296 is a lot to lose by :laugh:

The Xl
09-27-2013, 10:58 AM
I'm not sure how Obama beating Romney has anything to do with whether or not the people wanted Obamacare. Obamacare was essentially Romneys baby anyhow.

Cigar
09-27-2013, 11:01 AM
I'm not sure how Obama beating Romney has anything to do with whether or not the people wanted Obamacare. Obamacare was essentially Romneys baby anyhow.

:laugh: We all know Republicans will take credit for it soon enough.

AmazonTania
09-27-2013, 11:04 AM
You mean no matter how much they hate the ACA, they hated Romney more?

Never thought I'd say it but you may actually be right…

Mainecoons
09-27-2013, 11:07 AM
4 Million 984 Thousand and 296 is a lot to lose by :laugh:

I knew the math would be too much for you.

Cigar
09-27-2013, 11:11 AM
I knew the math would be too much for you.

Actually i think it's too much for you ... you lost.

Mainecoons
09-27-2013, 11:29 AM
DING DING DING!

Cigar Posting #10,000 "YOU LOST."

Cigar, I have a T shirt for you. Where should I send it?

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AmazonTania
09-27-2013, 11:34 AM
Let me guess, this was your personal professional poll of each and every Democratic Voter ... ?

Why no one asked me?


I wasn't aware Democrats were the only ones who vote. And since when does a reelection of an incumbent equates to the affirmation and acceptance of their policies?

Its common sense.

Chris
09-27-2013, 12:10 PM
Actually i think it's too much for you ... you lost.

The American people lost.

Mainecoons
09-27-2013, 01:09 PM
The American people lost.

Don't make them victims. They did it to themselves.

Chris
09-27-2013, 01:14 PM
Don't make them victims. They did it to themselves.



Dammit, I was feeling pretty good till you went and reminded me. We have met the enemy and.....

lynn
09-27-2013, 02:59 PM
It doesn't matter who got elected, this mandate for insurance was going to happen anyway.