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Cigar
09-30-2013, 07:36 AM
If the federal government shuts down starting Tuesday because of a bitter partisan battle over the new health care law, more people say congressional Republicans rather than President Barack Obama would be responsible, according to a new national survey.

A CNN/ORC International poll released Monday morning, hours before funding for the government is scheduled to run out, also indicates that most Americans think Republicans in Congress are acting like spoiled children in this fiscal fight, with the public divided on whether the president is acting like a spoiled child or a responsible adult.


And six in 10 questioned in the survey say they want Congress to approve a budget agreement to avoid a government shutdown, and if it happens, most people say a shutdown would be a bad thing for the country.


The poll's release comes one day after the GOP-dominated House of Representatives approved a spending plan to fund the government that would delay the Affordable Care Act (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/28/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html), better known as Obamacare, for a year, and repeal its tax on medical devices.



According to the poll, which was conducted Friday through Sunday, 46% say they would blame congressional Republicans for a government shutdown, with 36% saying the president would be more responsible and 13% pointing fingers at both the GOP in Congress and Obama.


In a separate question, 49% of all people in the poll say that Obama is acting like a responsible adult in this budget battle, with 47% describing him as a spoiled child. While that's nothing to brag about, it's better than Congress.


According to the poll, 58% say congressional Democrats are acting like spoiled children, with that number rising to 69% for the GOP in Congress. Only one in four say congressional Republicans are acting like responsible adults. :baby::baby:


Some 68% say a shutdown for a few days would be a bad thing for the country, with that number rising to nearly eight in 10 for a shutdown lasting a few weeks.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-blame/index.html

Alyosha
09-30-2013, 07:37 AM
Haha, polls...can we have a Fox News poll now?

Agravan
09-30-2013, 07:38 AM
Tell us something we don't already know.

AmazonTania
09-30-2013, 07:39 AM
So?

Cigar
09-30-2013, 07:41 AM
Tell us something we don't already know.

Open Enrollment for ObamaCares is tomorrow; spread the word. :grin:

Agravan
09-30-2013, 07:44 AM
Open Enrollment for ObamaCares is tomorrow; spread the word. :grin:

To quote AmazonTania: "So?"

AmazonTania
09-30-2013, 07:49 AM
A CNN poll blames Republicans for a bill the President decides to veto.

Sounds like typical low information voter habit to me...

Cigar
09-30-2013, 08:00 AM
To quote @AmazonTania (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=852): "So?"

Not a problem for either of you unless you need and want affordable insurance and can't get it.

Carry on as usual.

Agravan
09-30-2013, 08:10 AM
Not a problem for either of you unless you need and want affordable insurance and can't get it.

Carry on as usual.
it's not affordable now, and will be even less so after Tuesday.

Cigar
09-30-2013, 08:14 AM
it's not affordable now, and will be even less so after Tuesday.

Bull-Shit ... I personally know several individuals in multiple states who say different.

If you're saying that someone between the ages of 27 and 35 health care is expensive ... well guess what? No shit Sherlock! Name a time when it wasn't.

Agravan
09-30-2013, 08:18 AM
Bull-Shit ... I personally know several individuals in multiple states who say different.

If you're saying that someone between the ages of 27 and 35 health care is expensive ... well guess what? No shit Sherlock! Name a time when it wasn't.


So the solution is to increase the price and FORCE everyone to participate, right?
you still have not answered my question about the tax credits. If a family of 4 under 50k pays 1000+ per month but with tax credits it goes down to 200+ per month, don't they still have to come up with the 1000+ per month for the year until tax time? How do they live until then? Wait for their tax credits to kick in so that they can feed their kids?


Oh yeah, you can afford it so everyone else should just suck it up, right?

Cigar
09-30-2013, 08:24 AM
So the solution is to increase the price and FORCE everyone to participate, right?
you still have not answered my question about the tax credits. If a family of 4 under 50k pays 1000+ per month but with tax credits it goes down to 200+ per month, don't they still have to come up with the 1000+ per month for the year until tax time? How do they live until then? Wait for their tax credits to kick in so that they can feed their kids?

BULL-SHIT LIE ... right off the back ...

EVERYONE isn't without Healthcare
EVERYONE isn't needed to participate
EVERYONE isn't living in one state

if you're going to throw out numbers ...supply the FACTS with those numbers.

A) what is the family of 4s income?
B) what state do they live in?
C) is the state participating in ACA?

Enough with the Bull-Shit Scare Tactics ... ObamaCares is here to stay ... deal with it or leave.

FACTS: http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/map

Common
09-30-2013, 08:26 AM
Why wouldnt they get the blame, its obvious to everyone they are intentionally causing it.

Agravan
09-30-2013, 08:26 AM
BULL-SHIT LIE ... right off the back ...

EVERYONE isn't without Healthcare
EVERYONE isn't needed to participate
EVERYONE isn't living in one state

if you're going to throw out numbers ...supply the FACTS with those numbers.

A) what is the family of 4s income?
B) what state do they live in?
C) is the state participating in ACA?

Enough with the Bull-Shit Scare Tactics ... ObamaCares is here to stay ... deal with it or leave.

FATS: http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/map

You think that because Obama and the Democrats shoved this law down our throats that it is now inviolate?
Laws can be, and have been, overturned or repealed. Just like this one will be eventually.

Agravan
09-30-2013, 08:27 AM
BULL-SHIT LIE ... right off the back ...

EVERYONE isn't without Healthcare
EVERYONE isn't needed to participate
EVERYONE isn't living in one state

if you're going to throw out numbers ...supply the FACTS with those numbers.

A) what is the family of 4s income?
B) what state do they live in?
C) is the state participating in ACA?

Enough with the Bull-Shit Scare Tactics ... ObamaCares is here to stay ... deal with it or leave.

FACTS: http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/map

I'm using the numbers that you used to promote it.

AmazonTania
09-30-2013, 08:47 AM
BULL-SHIT LIE ... right off the back ...

EVERYONE isn't without Healthcare
EVERYONE isn't needed to participate
EVERYONE isn't living in one state

if you're going to throw out numbers ...supply the FACTS with those numbers.

A) what is the family of 4s income?
B) what state do they live in?
C) is the state participating in ACA?

Enough with the Bull-Shit Scare Tactics ... ObamaCares is here to stay ... deal with it or leave.

FACTS: http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/map

You didn't read a single part of your source, did you...

AmazonTania
09-30-2013, 09:27 AM
Why wouldnt they get the blame, its obvious to everyone they are intentionally causing it.

If the President vetoes the omnibus bill, then the President caused it. If Congress refuses to override his veto, then Congress is equally to blame.

Either way, Republicans are going to get blamed for a shut down which wasn't their fault.

Ravi
09-30-2013, 09:34 AM
Why wouldnt they get the blame, its obvious to everyone they are intentionally causing it.Exactly. That's why there is currently a civil war amongst Republicans. As bad as it will be if they shut down the government, the comedic value is very high.