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Ravi
10-01-2013, 08:47 AM
Funny, isn't it? The Clown Republicans shut down the government and people are flocking to the exchanges for health care.

What ever the clowns hoped to accomplish accomplished nothing.

jillian
10-01-2013, 08:49 AM
Funny, isn't it? The Clown Republicans shut down the government and people are flocking to the exchanges for health care.

What ever the clowns hoped to accomplish accomplished nothing.

because the people who need health coverage are going to try to buy health coverage.... which is why they wanted to kill it before it started.

now they're screwed.

ptif219
10-01-2013, 08:56 AM
Funny, isn't it? The Clown Republicans shut down the government and people are flocking to the exchanges for health care.

What ever the clowns hoped to accomplish accomplished nothing.

Problem is they are not working. This program is not ready and should be delayed

http://twitchy.com/2013/10/01/surprise-obamacare-health-insurance-exchange-websites-dont-work/

ptif219
10-01-2013, 08:56 AM
because the people who need health coverage are going to try to buy health coverage.... which is why they wanted to kill it before it started.

now they're screwed.

How will they when the databases don't work?

Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:08 AM
The U.S. administration on Tuesday encouraged potential enrollees in Obamacare health coverage to seek in-person assistance from a call center and other sources after technical glitches emerged at the debut of the law's new online healthcare marketplaces.

A federally run marketplace for consumers in 36 states began posting error messages soon after the system opened for enrollment at 7 a.m., citing online traffic as a reason for the difficulties. An administration official said experts were aware of the issue and were working to address it.

...snip...

Consumers attempting to log on to the new exchanges were met with the message: "We have a lot of visitors on our site right now and we’re working to make your experience here better. Please wait here until we send you to the log-in page. Thank you for your patience!"

The delay was as long as four minutes at 7:10 a.m. Those seeking customer service encountered additional delays.

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-obamacare-affordable-care-act-20131001,0,5851135.story


Time to say Farewell to The Grand Old Party

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:15 AM
The U.S. administration on Tuesday encouraged potential enrollees in Obamacare health coverage to seek in-person assistance from a call center and other sources after technical glitches emerged at the debut of the law's new online healthcare marketplaces.

A federally run marketplace for consumers in 36 states began posting error messages soon after the system opened for enrollment at 7 a.m., citing online traffic as a reason for the difficulties. An administration official said experts were aware of the issue and were working to address it.

...snip...

Consumers attempting to log on to the new exchanges were met with the message: "We have a lot of visitors on our site right now and we’re working to make your experience here better. Please wait here until we send you to the log-in page. Thank you for your patience!"

The delay was as long as four minutes at 7:10 a.m. Those seeking customer service encountered additional delays.

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-obamacare-affordable-care-act-20131001,0,5851135.story


Time to say Farewell to The Grand Old Party

It needs to be delayed since it is clear it is not ready

Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:15 AM
It's sooooooooooooooooooooooo unpopular :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:16 AM
It needs to be delayed since it is clear it is not ready

No it's busy ... :laugh:

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:16 AM
It's sooooooooooooooooooooooo unpopular :smiley_ROFLMAO:

It sure is

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/325679-senate-quickly-rejects-house-latest-funding-measure

Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:17 AM
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Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:18 AM
It sure is

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/325679-senate-quickly-rejects-house-latest-funding-measure

ObamaCares Forever! :laugh:

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:18 AM
No it's busy ... :laugh:

It is not working and not ready. delay until it is ready. I would not give the information so a not ready website could be hacked because there is failed security. You information is at risk for identity theft

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:20 AM
ObamaCares Forever! :laugh:

It will destroy our healthcare system

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 09:20 AM
You guys are so positively silly. To you it is all black and white. Republicans HATE poor people. Democrats LOVE poor people.

Meanwhile those mean old corporations are the ones profiting off of this.

There can ever only be two approaches to anything in this country and those two approaches will be told to you by party leadership. If people think there are multiple they hate____________ and they want __________________ to win.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:20 AM
It is not working and not ready. delay until it is ready. I would not give the information so a not ready website could be hacked because there is failed security. You information is at risk for identity theft

That's NOT going to happen ........................... Ever!

Deal with it ... ObamaCares (https://www.healthcare.gov/) is here to stay .............. Forever!

jillian
10-01-2013, 09:22 AM
It will destroy our healthcare system


the sky is falling... the sky is falling...


still wondering how something providing health INSURANCE (not CARE, but INSURANCE) can destroy health CARE.

but thanks for the talking points. you've been well-trained.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 09:22 AM
You guys are so positively silly. To you it is all black and white. Republicans HATE poor people. Democrats LOVE poor people.

Meanwhile those mean old corporations are the ones profiting off of this.

There can ever only be two approaches to anything in this country and those two approaches will be told to you by party leadership. If people think there are multiple they hate____________ and they want __________________ to win.



What's The Republican Alternative wait for the science

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:23 AM
You guys are so positively silly. To you it is all black and white. Republicans HATE poor people. Democrats LOVE poor people.

Meanwhile those mean old corporations are the ones profiting off of this.

There can ever only be two approaches to anything in this country and those two approaches will be told to you by party leadership. If people think there are multiple they hate____________ and they want __________________ to win.

The corporations also get a delay from Obama but we do not. In the mean time the democrats give congress a pass again

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:24 AM
That's NOT going to happen ........................... Ever!

Deal with it ... ObamaCares (https://www.healthcare.gov/) is here to stay .............. Forever!

You mean it is never going to work. They have had years to get databases working and still they do not work

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:25 AM
the sky is falling... the sky is falling...


still wondering how something providing health INSURANCE (not CARE, but INSURANCE) can destroy health CARE.

but thanks for the talking points. you've been well-trained.

It sure is for Obama he shows he will put your information at risk on databases that are not ready

Agravan
10-01-2013, 09:27 AM
I went to the website to check out the calculator to see what some costs would be. I input information for some family members.
My cousin, hi s wife and daughter make about 14000k per year, the site told e there premiums would be 10700 per year for the Silver plan, 7895 for the Bronze plan and they did not qualify for any subsidy.
I input the numbers for another family member making 65k. Their premiums were the same except that they qualified for a 7k subsidy!!
I input yet another's info at 24k and they qualified for $0.

Something is truly screwed when a family making 14k has to pay 10k for insurance.
How are they supposed to survive on 4k per year?

ptif219
10-01-2013, 09:28 AM
What's The Republican Alternative wait for the science

how will you know if the democrats will not negotiate?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/republican-alternative-to-obamacare-relies-on-repeal-20130922

Ravi
10-01-2013, 09:37 AM
The corporations also get a delay from Obama but we do not. In the mean time the democrats give congress a pass again

You don't have health insurance?

Matty
10-01-2013, 09:57 AM
because the people who need health coverage are going to try to buy health coverage.... which is why they wanted to kill it before it started.

now they're screwed.


No they're not. They're gonna apply giving us the taxpayer the privilege of buying them some health care, after we've been forced to buy ours.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 10:40 AM
That's NOT going to happen ........................... Ever!

Deal with it ... ObamaCares (https://www.healthcare.gov/) is here to stay .............. Forever!

Actually, that is incorrect. It is a stepping stone to a single payer system.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 10:43 AM
Actually, that is incorrect. It is a stepping stone to a single payer system.


Improvements are always welcome and expected

jillian
10-01-2013, 11:07 AM
Actually, that is incorrect. It is a stepping stone to a single payer system.

it may be that it will prove that a single payor system would be more efficient.

and?

first we have to address the cost of health CARE (as opposed to insurance). seems that should be the next thing we address as a society. there is no reason the US system is as unwieldy and overpriced as it is.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 11:08 AM
It is not working and not ready. delay until it is ready. I would not give the information so a not ready website could be hacked because there is failed security. You information is at risk for identity theft

Fact.


That's NOT going to happen ........................... Ever!

Fiction.

The government once sent me a letter telling me that their systems were breached and that there was a possibility that my social security number and all my military records could possibly be in jeopardy.

That was military grade security.

And you think that these half baked databases are going to some how magically going to be invincible with the highest trained chimpanzees operating them?

May you roast in IT hell for your blasphemy.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 11:09 AM
Improvements are always welcome and expected

Improvement for who?

The VA system is essentially a single payer system. After my last deployment I signed up for VA health care services (2008). Never heard back. I re-applied this past fall. Still waiting.....

They gave me a 60% disability rating, but no ability to access VA health care.

jillian
10-01-2013, 11:48 AM
Improvement for who?

The VA system is essentially a single payer system. After my last deployment I signed up for VA health care services (2008). Never heard back. I re-applied this past fall. Still waiting.....

They gave me a 60% disability rating, but no ability to access VA health care.

and if someone has money they can pay private physicians.

the people who would benefit have no health care. what do you think works better for them? an imperfect system or no system?

even ghana has universal health care.

we can't do as well as ghana?

we are the only country in the civilized world not to care for it's people. are we incompetent while others aren't?

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 11:51 AM
and if someone has money they can pay private physicians.

the people who would benefit have no health care. what do you think works better for them? an imperfect system or no system?

That is why my position was no to the ACA and yes to expanding Medicaid for those who couldn't get insurance. Why change the entire system, rather than just addressing the problem?

jillian
10-01-2013, 11:54 AM
That is why my position was no to the ACA and yes to expanding Medicaid for those who couldn't get insurance. Why change the entire system, rather than just addressing the problem?

it never would have passed and all these nuts who are shrieking... they'd have been shrieking louder... yelling "SOCIALISM".

the ACA was a compromise. you can say it wasn't but it was.

and expanding medicaid would still screw all of the middle class//working class people who aren't eligible.... still wouldn't keep insurance companies from dropping people with pre-existing conditions; still wouldn't have kept them from maxing out coverage...

it would only have addressed the smallest part of the issues we face.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 12:06 PM
and if someone has money they can pay private physicians.

the people who would benefit have no health care. what do you think works better for them? an imperfect system or no system?

even ghana has universal health care.

we can't do as well as ghana?

we are the only country in the civilized world not to care for it's people. are we incompetent while others aren't?

When was the last time you can recall somebody had to be life flighted to Ghana for treatments only available in Ghana?

There is a reason people still come the US for medical treatment. And that is coming to an end shortly if this weirdness continues.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 12:11 PM
it never would have passed and all these nuts who are shrieking... they'd have been shrieking louder... yelling "SOCIALISM".

the ACA was a compromise. you can say it wasn't but it was.

and expanding medicaid would still screw all of the middle class//working class people who aren't eligible.... still wouldn't keep insurance companies from dropping people with pre-existing conditions; still wouldn't have kept them from maxing out coverage...

it would only have addressed the smallest part of the issues we face.

I would handle pre-existing conditions either by putting those people on Medicaid or having states create special risk pools for them. Using Medicaid would likely be cheaper.

If you didn't have homeowners insurance, and your house caught fire, how much would it cost for you to buy homeowners insurance?

lynn
10-01-2013, 02:56 PM
I checked out the Arizona health exchange and for a 50 year female, I can pay $110 a month in premiums with a $10,000 deductible or I can pay almost $800 a month in premiums with a $250 deductible. Either choice I will be paying for my own healthcare out of pocket.

GrassrootsConservative
10-01-2013, 03:41 PM
I sure am glad I'll be paying $600 a year by 2016 so some welfare bitch can get her teeth fixed after the meth ate them away.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 04:25 PM
I sure am glad I'll be paying $600 a year by 2016 so some welfare bitch can get her teeth fixed after the meth ate them away.

I'm not paying that crap. So if I quit posting for a while, you'll all know why. I refused to pay the penalty.

ptif219
10-01-2013, 04:34 PM
You don't have health insurance?

What does that have to do with my post?

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 04:37 PM
I checked out the Arizona health exchange and for a 50 year female, I can pay $110 a month in premiums with a $10,000 deductible or I can pay almost $800 a month in premiums with a $250 deductible. Either choice I will be paying for my own healthcare out of pocket.

Shitty plan A vs. Shitty plan B.

Notice something they both have in common?

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 04:38 PM
I went to the website to check out the calculator to see what some costs would be. I input information for some family members.
My cousin, hi s wife and daughter make about 14000k per year, the site told e there premiums would be 10700 per year for the Silver plan, 7895 for the Bronze plan and they did not qualify for any subsidy.
I input the numbers for another family member making 65k. Their premiums were the same except that they qualified for a 7k subsidy!!
I input yet another's info at 24k and they qualified for $0.

Something is truly screwed when a family making 14k has to pay 10k for insurance.
How are they supposed to survive on 4k per year?

How do they survive on $14k a year?

BTW, I don't believe your figures....

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 04:40 PM
How do they survive on $14k a year?

I assure you, it is possible, if you live humbly.

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 04:41 PM
When was the last time you can recall somebody had to be life flighted to Ghana for treatments only available in Ghana?

There is a reason people still come the US for medical treatment. And that is coming to an end shortly if this weirdness continues.

You think the US is the only western country in the world that people flock to to get treatments. I'm from NZ, and we are inundated with people from the Pacific Islands coming to our shores for treatment. As is Australia (where I live now)..

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 04:51 PM
I assure you, it is possible, if you live humbly.

That must include food stamps and housing assistance...

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 04:58 PM
That must include food stamps and housing assistance...

Detroit is so broke you can buy a house in Salem's lot from the city for $500. It's a shitty house, but it's a house. You can then pay $2000 a year in taxes on it (true story). You can go to local food banks run by the Diocese and get most of your meals if you don't mind charity. They work with local markets so you can pretty much go and load up. You can buy a car for a couple hundred bucks if you don't care if it's used.

Yes, you can do it, actually. Would you want to? Probably not.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 05:00 PM
That must include food stamps and housing assistance...

Savings, and GI Bill predominantly.

But yes. Food stamps are involved much to my shame. Being a student, I see no profit in going into debt via student loans to eat. However the difference between us and the average parasite is that we are more economical - we don't max the EBT on junk. We have never used a full allotment in a single month. I don't know how many thousands of dollars we have on credit on that thing.

Regardless, we have no plan to use it all because don't need it all.

But knowing that I will be raped ferociously in the future with retarded taxation is penance enough for now. But housing assistance? Nope. I pay rent in advance out of my redistributed tax return.

So at this point I would like to thank all those who have paid into this unjust system which allows me to pay rent in advance.

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 05:02 PM
Savings, and GI Bill predominantly.

But yes. Food stamps are involved much to my shame. Being a student, I see no profit in going into debt via student loans to eat. However the difference between us and the average parasite is that we are more economical - we don't max the EBT on junk. We have never used a full allotment in a single month. I don't know how many thousands of dollars we have on credit on that thing.

Regardless, we have no plan to use it all because don't need it all.

But knowing that I will be raped ferociously in the future with retarded taxation is penance enough for now. But housing assistance? Nope. I pay rent in advance out of my redistributed tax return.

So at this point I would like to thank all those who have paid into this unjust system which allows me to pay rent in advance.

Interesting...

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 05:02 PM
Detroit is so broke you can buy a house in Salem's lot from the city for $500. It's a shitty house, but it's a house. You can then pay $2000 a year in taxes on it (true story). You can go to local food banks run by the Diocese and get most of your meals if you don't mind charity. They work with local markets so you can pretty much go and load up. You can buy a car for a couple hundred bucks if you don't care if it's used.

Yes, you can do it, actually. Would you want to? Probably not.

That's what it boils down to really. I don't plan to live like this forever. It would be a hideous way to live. Especially raising a family.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 05:05 PM
Interesting...

Not really, mostly just ego bruising. Knowing that I am beholden to the federal government for GI Bill benefits is a horrid thing to have to own up to. But I would prefer they shut down and never re-open. Because then certain things would change. And a man could actually make his way in this world off of his own steam, without the vampires draining it from him so he has to exist off of the scraps they opt to give him.

Rich man's mind, stuck in a poor man's situation. But I am trying to climb my way out of this gutter I sprang from.

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 05:09 PM
Savings, and GI Bill predominantly.

But yes. Food stamps are involved much to my shame. Being a student, I see no profit in going into debt via student loans to eat. However the difference between us and the average parasite is that we are more economical - we don't max the EBT on junk. We have never used a full allotment in a single month. I don't know how many thousands of dollars we have on credit on that thing.

Regardless, we have no plan to use it all because don't need it all.

But knowing that I will be raped ferociously in the future with retarded taxation is penance enough for now. But housing assistance? Nope. I pay rent in advance out of my redistributed tax return.

So at this point I would like to thank all those who have paid into this unjust system which allows me to pay rent in advance.

You are very welcome. The way I see it, when you were serving, you earned that and much more!

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 05:10 PM
Not really, mostly just ego bruising. Knowing that I am beholden to the federal government for GI Bill benefits is a horrid thing to have to own up to. But I would prefer they shut down and never re-open. Because then certain things would change. And a man could actually make his way in this world off of his own steam, without the vampires draining it from him so he has to exist off of the scraps they opt to give him.

Rich man's mind, stuck in a poor man's situation. But I am trying to climb my way out of this gutter I sprang from.

With the Courage to admit it, and call it what it is!

I have no doubt that you will do well. Chase your dreams I am sure that you will achieve them! Let me know if I can help!

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 05:13 PM
You are very welcome. The way I see it, when you were serving, you earned that and much more!

Perhaps if I were injured or an amputee or something. But coming back fully functional to a woman and child that love me?

More than enough for me. They are just upholding their end of the contract out of terror. Even then, the VA is a slow witted organization. They have screwed up our pay plenty of times, which is why we are in the habit of saving like squirrels.

Although I could do without he food stamps, It is a character flaw. I am just not mighty enough in mind to hold down a job and do full time school at the same time. A personal failing. But if I didn't use it, I know somebody else would for sure. And I'm pretty sure I have better intentions than most people who apply for it.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 05:14 PM
With the Courage to admit it, and call it what it is!

I have no doubt that you will do well. Chase your dreams I am sure that you will achieve them! Let me know if I can help!

Assist in the dismantling of the madness in government. Live the words of Christ. That is sufficient.

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Assist in the dismantling of the madness in government. Live the words of Christ. That is sufficient.

Thanks It is nice to meet a brother in Christ!

I an excited to watch your life progress.

Not a real fan of the government in it's current form. Would not mind the Government that the founders intended.

Not a fan of total Anarchy? Because I am a Wolf, and know that I can't be trusted. I also know many more like me! Not seeing a great world with those ego's running around!

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 06:43 PM
Not really, mostly just ego bruising. Knowing that I am beholden to the federal government for GI Bill benefits is a horrid thing to have to own up to. But I would prefer they shut down and never re-open. Because then certain things would change. And a man could actually make his way in this world off of his own steam, without the vampires draining it from him so he has to exist off of the scraps they opt to give him.

Rich man's mind, stuck in a poor man's situation. But I am trying to climb my way out of this gutter I sprang from.

You earned your GI Bill benefits through military service.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 07:09 PM
Perhaps if I were injured or an amputee or something. But coming back fully functional to a woman and child that love me?

More than enough for me. They are just upholding their end of the contract out of terror. Even then, the VA is a slow witted organization. They have screwed up our pay plenty of times, which is why we are in the habit of saving like squirrels.

Although I could do without he food stamps, It is a character flaw. I am just not mighty enough in mind to hold down a job and do full time school at the same time. A personal failing. But if I didn't use it, I know somebody else would for sure. And I'm pretty sure I have better intentions than most people who apply for it.

Dude, why didn't you tell me? We're brothers. Devil dogs. All that shit. I'm blessed so I can help. I'll see what I can do. Next time say something asshole.

Cthulhu
10-01-2013, 07:29 PM
You earned your GI Bill benefits through military service.

Ah yes. But as history has shown us, betting on the government isn't exactly solid now is it? We save for problems like this.

The lost American arts of saving and thrifting.

I am blessed to have a wife whose idea of splurging is spending 20 bucks at the clearance aisles.

She is basically amazing.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 07:44 PM
I do not feel bad about the GI Bill. For one I contributed money to it, and for another, we worked 24-7 for bullshit pay.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 09:00 PM
I do not feel bad about the GI Bill. For one I contributed money to it, and for another, we worked 24-7 for bullshit pay.

It was the best investment I ever made. Basically I paid $1200 over a year for a 4 year tour and got $30K for college. And my paycheck didn't get over $1000 a month until I made sergeant. And I spent enough time in the field and in operations to earn that cash.

ChoppedLiver
10-01-2013, 11:04 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Agravan http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=381257#post381257) I went to the website to check out the calculator to see what some costs would be. I input information for some family members.
My cousin, hi s wife and daughter make about 14000k per year, the site told e there premiums would be 10700 per year for the Silver plan, 7895 for the Bronze plan and they did not qualify for any subsidy.
I input the numbers for another family member making 65k. Their premiums were the same except that they qualified for a 7k subsidy!!
I input yet another's info at 24k and they qualified for $0.

Something is truly screwed when a family making 14k has to pay 10k for insurance.
How are they supposed to survive on 4k per year?



How do they survive on $14k a year?

BTW, I don't believe your figures....

Well, instead of pulling a, "Liar-Liar, pants on fire!" out of your butt, how 'bout checking it out yourself and put up your own figures.

Whadda ya say!

:cool:

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 11:08 PM
Well, instead of pulling a, "Liar-Liar, pants on fire!" out of your butt, how 'bout checking it out yourself and put up your own figures.

Whadda ya say!

:cool:

It's usually up to those making the assertion to prove it...

ChoppedLiver
10-01-2013, 11:12 PM
It's usually up to those making the assertion to prove it...

Just as I thought. Ya got nuttin.

:cool:

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 11:20 PM
Just as I thought. Ya got nuttin.

:cool:

OK. I believe in Santa Claus.

Using your set of standards, it's up to you to prove that I'm right...

off you go...

ChoppedLiver
10-01-2013, 11:26 PM
OK. I believe in Santa Claus.

Using your set of standards, it's up to you to prove that I'm right...

off you go...

The poster put up legit figures. There's no reason to believe those figures are wrong. YOU said they were wrong. Prove otherwise then.

See how easy that is?

:cool:

Agravan
10-01-2013, 11:54 PM
Barely.
Believe it or not, I've already posted screen shots.

Agravan
10-01-2013, 11:55 PM
That must include food stamps and housing assistance...
Nope. Bare sustenance living. odd jobs here and there for gas money.

ptif219
10-02-2013, 12:31 AM
Well, instead of pulling a, "Liar-Liar, pants on fire!" out of your butt, how 'bout checking it out yourself and put up your own figures.

Whadda ya say!

:cool:

You mean like this

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/glitch-prevents-cnn-signing-obamacare_759042.html

Mr Happy
10-02-2013, 12:34 AM
The poster put up legit figures. There's no reason to believe those figures are wrong. YOU said they were wrong. Prove otherwise then.

See how easy that is?

:cool:

You honestly think that somebody earning $14K is going to have to stump up $10k for the ACA?? Really? I call BS..

Mr Happy
10-02-2013, 12:34 AM
Nope. Bare sustenance living. odd jobs here and there for gas money.

So is it your cousin's salary or is it for gas money?

zelmo1234
10-02-2013, 02:04 AM
It's usually up to those making the assertion to prove it...

You know you change you mind on this a lot, depending on if it is a liberal doing the posting. Then it is up to others to disprove

But if a liberal says it is a lie, then it is up to the poster to prove there point.

I see a pattern here? Liberals are to be taken for their word and they never have to prove themselves. Hmmmm!

zelmo1234
10-02-2013, 02:06 AM
You honestly think that somebody earning $14K is going to have to stump up $10k for the ACA?? Really? I call BS..

He posted the form? But now you have posted the accusation, and it is up to you to prove it! From the Rules of Mr. Happy!

zelmo1234
10-02-2013, 02:08 AM
OK. I believe in Santa Claus.

Using your set of standards, it's up to you to prove that I'm right...

off you go...

Well he has several names in several different countries around the world. And his Story is all the same? And all the good children around the world get toys on Christmas Eve?

So Yes he is real?

Now prove me wrong!

zelmo1234
10-02-2013, 02:12 AM
Funny, isn't it? The Clown Republicans shut down the government and people are flocking to the exchanges for health care.

What ever the clowns hoped to accomplish accomplished nothing.

Yes there are a lot of people flocking to the exchanges to see if they qualify for free insurance.

But they have not figured out, there are not that many doctors and hospitals to choose from that will accept there insurance.

And the pain was postponed, but that will start soon. as there is a funny little clause in the Presidents waiver, that our employee count and incurance offerings will be on June 30 2014, so that is when the layoff's and canceling of insurance will take place.

Unless we get another Waiver, which I am predicting!

Ravi
10-02-2013, 05:45 AM
I sure am glad I'll be paying $600 a year by 2016 so some welfare bitch can get her teeth fixed after the meth ate them away.Oh, the horror! You'd be the welfare bitch if you are letting the taxpayers subsidize your health care.

Ravi
10-02-2013, 05:48 AM
Savings, and GI Bill predominantly.

But yes. Food stamps are involved much to my shame. Being a student, I see no profit in going into debt via student loans to eat. However the difference between us and the average parasite is that we are more economical - we don't max the EBT on junk. We have never used a full allotment in a single month. I don't know how many thousands of dollars we have on credit on that thing.

Regardless, we have no plan to use it all because don't need it all.

But knowing that I will be raped ferociously in the future with retarded taxation is penance enough for now. But housing assistance? Nope. I pay rent in advance out of my redistributed tax return.

So at this point I would like to thank all those who have paid into this unjust system which allows me to pay rent in advance.

Why does this often happen? Scratch a libertarian and discover a welfare queen.

You can't make this stuff up.

Ravi
10-02-2013, 05:51 AM
OK. I believe in Santa Claus.

Using your set of standards, it's up to you to prove that I'm right...

off you go...

Jillian already thoroughly debunked it.

Agravan
10-02-2013, 05:52 AM
Jillian already thoroughly debunked it.

Sure she did.

GrassrootsConservative
10-02-2013, 05:53 AM
Oh, the horror! You'd be the welfare bitch if you are letting the taxpayers subsidize your health care.

I don't have healthcare. I don't need it and don't choose to buy it.

I'm only 22. Why would I want to buy healthcare? Except now I'm going to be forced to.

Cthulhu
10-02-2013, 09:33 AM
Why does this often happen? Scratch a libertarian and discover a welfare queen.

You can't make this stuff up.

If you're trying to offend me, you'll have to do much better than that.

Ravi
10-02-2013, 09:40 AM
If you're trying to offend me, you'll have to do much better than that.
Nah, I'm just laughing.

ptif219
10-02-2013, 10:56 AM
You honestly think that somebody earning $14K is going to have to stump up $10k for the ACA?? Really? I call BS..

It shows the Obamacare databases are not ready and they should delay it as the house offered

ptif219
10-02-2013, 10:59 AM
I don't have healthcare. I don't need it and don't choose to buy it.

I'm only 22. Why would I want to buy healthcare? Except now I'm going to be forced to.

That is a democrats idea of choice

Cigar
10-02-2013, 11:15 AM
I don't have healthcare. I don't need it and don't choose to buy it.

I'm only 22. Why would I want to buy healthcare? Except now I'm going to be forced to.

If anything (catastrophic or critical) ever happens to you, please do us Tax Payers a really big favor ... make sure you "don't" end up in The Emergency Room.

Because Doctors have this silly obligation to The Hippocratic Oath

So please help them by having a written note to the Doctors and EMT staff not resuscitate and for the Road-Crew to leave you as Road-Kill.



Or you can always be a Fiscal Responsible Adult :rollseyes: you know that Bull-Shit Conservatives use to preach to Liberals.

Cthulhu
10-02-2013, 11:43 AM
If anything (catastrophic or critical) ever happens to you, please do us Tax Payers a really big favor ... make sure you "don't" end up in The Emergency Room.

Because Doctors have this silly obligation to The Hippocratic Oath

So please help them by having a written note to the Doctors and EMT staff not resuscitate and for the Road-Crew to leave you as Road-Kill.



Or you can always be a Fiscal Responsible Adult :rollseyes: you know that Bull-Shit Conservatives use to preach to Liberals.

Hippocratic Oath is outdated. And should be discarded. Besides, heaven forbid somebody like me, a future doctor, refuse to take such a nonsense oath.

Agravan
10-02-2013, 12:44 PM
If anything (catastrophic or critical) ever happens to you, please do us Tax Payers a really big favor ... make sure you "don't" end up in The Emergency Room.

Because Doctors have this silly obligation to The Hippocratic Oath

So please help them by having a written note to the Doctors and EMT staff not resuscitate and for the Road-Crew to leave you as Road-Kill.



Or you can always be a Fiscal Responsible Adult :rollseyes: you know that Bull-Shit Conservatives use to preach to Liberals.

"Fiscal Responsible Adult [sic]" = someone that is willing to be forced to pay for insurance that they don't need or want so that someone else who does not want to work can get to see a doctor.