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Alyosha
10-01-2013, 01:43 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/29/how-did-rand-paul-become-a-liberal-hero.html

Is this liberal hero Bernie Sanders, the socialist from Vermont? Of course not. This lefty hero is Rand Paul, the Republican from Kentucky, who during a period of liberal retreat has somehow emerged as one of the nation’s most articulate defenders of progressive values. Look no further than a Wednesday earlier this month, when Paul testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee against mandatory minimums for non-violent drug offenders. Citing statistics that showed that young minority males were far more likely to face longer prison sentences than other groups, he sounded like a class warrior: “Why are the arrest rates so lopsided? Because it is easier to go into urban areas and make arrests than suburban areas.”


And it has won Paul some plaudits in unlikely corners, with stalwart liberals like Medea Benjamin writing that Paul should be commended for his anti-war stance. (http://www.issuesandalibis.org/) The liberal website Truthdig.org (http://Truthdig.org) has regularly praised Paul’s stances (http://www.truthdig.com/search/results/?q=rand+paul&x=-1277&y=-227&cx=007550919732032875355%3Albmkk4fviak&cof=FORID%3A11), and the site’s founder, New Left journalist Robert Scheer, has regularly sung the Kentucky Senator’s praises on a nationally syndicated radio show he appears on.


“I have a lot of problems with Rand Paul,” said David Sirota, the liberal author and blogger, citing his positions on the economy and on a woman’s right to choose. “But I think that on issues concerning national security and the domestic security state he is as right as anybody in the Congress—and there aren’t a lot of people in Congress who are good on those issues.”


Paul appears to be an all-but-announced candidate for president, but as the events of the last few weeks have shown, should he run, he would represent a new kind of figure on the American political landscape. When Democrats have found reason to praise Republicans in the context of a presidential race, it is usually because they break by a matter of degree with GOP orthodoxy—think Mike Huckabee’s calls for a more humane immigration system in 2008--or because a candidate has been willing to criticize the Republican establishment—think Chris Christie this time around.


Paul represents a whole other phenomenon. Coming from the furthest right reaches of the conservative movement on regulatory and economic issues, he is to the left of even most Democrats in Congress on issues of national security and surveillance. And if you are a liberal yearning for a Democrat to speak out against the War on Drugs or the voting rights of felons, Paul is, at the moment at least, the only candidate you've got.


For liberals, the question of how to square this circle is a vexing one.

“It’s boutique progressivism,” said Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont and the liberal standard bearer in the 2004 primaries. “To use the word ‘progressivism’ and Rand Paul together, it's an oxymoron. It’s like saying ‘Fox’ and ‘News.’”


For liberals though, the vexing question becomes: why is someone from the other team speaking out on our issues when our guys are silent?

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Why? Because progressives forgot that classical liberalism is the right to be left alone, the right to individual freedoms, the right to be free of government tyranny.

His stance on abortion is consistent, allowing states and doctors make those decisions.

His stance on AA laws, good for public sector, not good for private is also consistent.

We as libertarians seem all over the board, but actually we're the most logically consistent.

jillian
10-01-2013, 01:45 PM
well, there go his presidential aspirations...

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 01:47 PM
well, there go his presidential aspirations...

Latest polls show him as the front runner in the 18-30 bracket. He'd probably get the military vote from his father. The hard core progs like you and Repugnuts will undermine him tho.

We'll see.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 01:48 PM
There's always Michelle Bachman ... I understand she won't be busy. :grin:

Cigar
10-01-2013, 01:49 PM
Latest polls show him as the front runner in the 18-30 bracket. He'd probably get the military vote from his father. The hard core progs like you and Repugnuts will undermine him tho.

We'll see.

Barack became President ... look how undermining failed.

jillian
10-01-2013, 01:55 PM
Latest polls show him as the front runner in the 18-30 bracket. He'd probably get the military vote from his father. The hard core progs like you and Repugnuts will undermine him tho.

We'll see.

i'm not a "prog" at all. you seem to think there's no distinction between liberals and "progressives". last i checked i'm pretty sure a so called "prog" wouldn't have voted for giuliani or bloomberg, for that matter.

i just don't care for what the rightwing extremists are doing right now and that probably makes me sound like i take a harder line than i do. (which isn't to say i'm not liberal on most subjects). i also happen to think the way this president has been treated by the right is disgusting.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 01:59 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/29/how-did-rand-paul-become-a-liberal-hero.html

Is this liberal hero Bernie Sanders, the socialist from Vermont? Of course not. This lefty hero is Rand Paul, the Republican from Kentucky, who during a period of liberal retreat has somehow emerged as one of the nation’s most articulate defenders of progressive values. Look no further than a Wednesday earlier this month, when Paul testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee against mandatory minimums for non-violent drug offenders. Citing statistics that showed that young minority males were far more likely to face longer prison sentences than other groups, he sounded like a class warrior: “Why are the arrest rates so lopsided? Because it is easier to go into urban areas and make arrests than suburban areas.”


And it has won Paul some plaudits in unlikely corners, with stalwart liberals like Medea Benjamin writing that Paul should be commended for his anti-war stance. (http://www.issuesandalibis.org/) The liberal website Truthdig.org (http://Truthdig.org) has regularly praised Paul’s stances (http://www.truthdig.com/search/results/?q=rand+paul&x=-1277&y=-227&cx=007550919732032875355%3Albmkk4fviak&cof=FORID%3A11), and the site’s founder, New Left journalist Robert Scheer, has regularly sung the Kentucky Senator’s praises on a nationally syndicated radio show he appears on.


“I have a lot of problems with Rand Paul,” said David Sirota, the liberal author and blogger, citing his positions on the economy and on a woman’s right to choose. “But I think that on issues concerning national security and the domestic security state he is as right as anybody in the Congress—and there aren’t a lot of people in Congress who are good on those issues.”


Paul appears to be an all-but-announced candidate for president, but as the events of the last few weeks have shown, should he run, he would represent a new kind of figure on the American political landscape. When Democrats have found reason to praise Republicans in the context of a presidential race, it is usually because they break by a matter of degree with GOP orthodoxy—think Mike Huckabee’s calls for a more humane immigration system in 2008--or because a candidate has been willing to criticize the Republican establishment—think Chris Christie this time around.


Paul represents a whole other phenomenon. Coming from the furthest right reaches of the conservative movement on regulatory and economic issues, he is to the left of even most Democrats in Congress on issues of national security and surveillance. And if you are a liberal yearning for a Democrat to speak out against the War on Drugs or the voting rights of felons, Paul is, at the moment at least, the only candidate you've got.


For liberals, the question of how to square this circle is a vexing one.

“It’s boutique progressivism,” said Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont and the liberal standard bearer in the 2004 primaries. “To use the word ‘progressivism’ and Rand Paul together, it's an oxymoron. It’s like saying ‘Fox’ and ‘News.’”


For liberals though, the vexing question becomes: why is someone from the other team speaking out on our issues when our guys are silent?

************************************************** ***************************************

Why? Because progressives forgot that classical liberalism is the right to be left alone, the right to individual freedoms, the right to be free of government tyranny.

His stance on abortion is consistent, allowing states and doctors make those decisions.

His stance on AA laws, good for public sector, not good for private is also consistent.

We as libertarians seem all over the board, but actually we're the most logically consistent.


I tend to agree. But I hope that Paul does not run for president in 2016. He needs to run for governor of KY and get executive experience. I don't recall any senator (only) making a decent president. It is two different skill sets.

Ravi
10-01-2013, 02:07 PM
A libertarian "allowing" a state to decide on abortion? GMAFB.

As for Rand Paul, he's as big of an attention whore as Cruz. These guys can't stop their political grandstanding.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 02:08 PM
A libertarian "allowing" a state to decide on abortion? GMAFB.

As for Rand Paul, he's as big of an attention whore as Cruz. These guys can't stop their political grandstanding.

You really are asleep at the wheel.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 02:09 PM
I tend to agree. But I hope that Paul does not run for president in 2016. He needs to run for governor of KY and get executive experience. I don't recall any senator (only) making a decent president. It is two different skill sets.

I would vote for him only to get some of the laws repealed and his desire to veto the shit out of everything. Besides he can't be worse than Bush or Obama.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 02:19 PM
A libertarian "allowing" a state to decide on abortion? GMAFB.

As for Rand Paul, he's as big of an attention whore as Cruz. These guys can't stop their political grandstanding.

Are there any politicians who don't? :wink:

Mister D
10-01-2013, 02:22 PM
Are there any politicians who don't? :wink:

No, but partisans can't see faults in their own.

The Xl
10-01-2013, 02:22 PM
Don't trust Rand, but I'll probably vote for him out of desperation. Might not if an appealing 3rd party or libertarian candidate is running.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 02:23 PM
I would vote for him only to get some of the laws repealed and his desire to veto the shit out of everything. Besides he can't be worse than Bush or Obama.

I agree that he wouldn't be worse that Bush or Obama. But he would be better if he took the time to get executive experience as governor.

jillian
10-01-2013, 02:24 PM
I agree that he wouldn't be worse that Bush or Obama. But he would be better if he took the time to get executive experience as governor.

you keep comparing bush and obama... bush was the worst president in my lifetime.

obama is ok... not great, but not what the right pretends he is.

The Xl
10-01-2013, 02:26 PM
you keep comparing bush and obama... bush was the worst president in my lifetime.

obama is ok... not great, but not what the right pretends he is.

If Obama isn't Bush, he sure isn't doing a good job doing anything different.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 02:29 PM
you keep comparing bush and obama... bush was the worst president in my lifetime.

obama is ok... not great, but not what the right pretends he is.

As someone who loves and lives by the 4th Amendment...he's a demon to me, all the worse than Bush because unlike that buffoon he pretended that he would respect it.

jillian
10-01-2013, 02:33 PM
As someone who loves and lives by the 4th Amendment...he's a demon to me, all the worse than Bush because unlike that buffoon he pretended that he would respect it.

i'm pretty fond of the 4th amendment, too. and when bush passed the patriot act, i said then that the right would be sorry when it wasn't their guy in office.

i'm all for going back to a warrant requirement and getting rid of the secrecy in the FISA court (and getting FISA judges appointed by more than justice roberts).

but no president gives up power. i don't criticize the president for it. as we've seen, if anything were to happen on his watch, the meltdown on the right would be immediate.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 02:37 PM
i'm pretty fond of the 4th amendment, too. and when bush passed the patriot act, i said then that the right would be sorry when it wasn't their guy in office.

I like to remind my Republican friends of this constantly now that they hate Obama having that power. I said to them then, "When Hillary's president you won't want this".

Did they listen?




i'm all for going back to a warrant requirement and getting rid of the secrecy in the FISA court (and getting FISA judges appointed by more than justice roberts).


I'm all for tossing the Patriot Act entirely.



but no president gives up power. i don't criticize the president for it. as we've seen, if anything were to happen on his watch, the meltdown on the right would be immediate.

Kennedy was about to, and Jimmy Carter certainly never had this power, but he also never tried to grow it. I think true liberals would not use it.

We knew nothing about Obama and that was the country's fault choosing charisma over someone "dowdy". Everything about him is cloaked in mystery which makes me think he probably was about to fail out of law school.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 02:52 PM
you keep comparing bush and obama... bush was the worst president in my lifetime.

obama is ok... not great, but not what the right pretends he is.

Obama is Bush on steroids. He is spending more. He is assassinating Americans overseas. He is increasing the police state.... I don't like to comment on current presidents' performance because history needs time to understand implications / consequences. For instance, if Obama actually gets Iran to give up its nuke program, he will be seen as a great president in the future, despite all of his other failures.