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Cigar
10-01-2013, 02:17 PM
The threats may continue, but they are not working and they never will. In a democracy, hostage tactics are the last resort for those who can't win their fights through elections, can't win their fights in Congress, can't win their fights for the Presidency, and can't win their fights in Courts.

For this right-wing minority, hostage-taking is all they have left – a last gasp of those who cannot cope with the realities of our democracy.

The time has come for those legislators who cannot cope with the reality of our democracy to get out of the way – so that those of us in BOTH parties can get back to working on solving the real problems faced by the American people.

We have real work to do.

Elizabeth


Wow ... Bitch Slapped by a Woman, I'm starting to feel sorry for the Good Old Boys. :laugh:

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 02:19 PM
If Elizabeth Warren was so smart, she wouldn't be working in the public sector.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 02:24 PM
If Elizabeth Warren was so smart, she wouldn't be working in the public sector.

Naturally she no match to your intellect :grin:

jillian
10-01-2013, 02:25 PM
If Elizabeth Warren was so smart, she wouldn't be working in the public sector.


riiiiiiiiiiiight.

:rolleyes:

BB-35
10-01-2013, 02:43 PM
If she's so smart,she'd know we are a representative republic,not a democracy.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 02:47 PM
If she's so smart,she'd know we are a representative republic,not a democracy.

Yea she's real stupid ... and is this coming from someone who's smarter? :grin:

jillian
10-01-2013, 02:50 PM
If she's so smart,she'd know we are a representative republic,not a democracy.


dumbass harvard professors...

she's probably speaking in terms she thinks people understand.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 02:54 PM
dumbass harvard professors...

she's probably speaking in terms she thinks people understand.

I'm sure the local experts ,,, if they wanted to, could do much better. :laugh: but they love being with us on the Political Forum :grin:

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 02:54 PM
dumbass harvard professors...

she's probably speaking in terms she thinks people understand.

Those who can't do…

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 02:55 PM
Who's taken hostage? I'm fine with the government shut down.

Cigar
10-01-2013, 02:55 PM
Those who can't do…

Those who can do both ... for who can't ... won't

Ravi
10-01-2013, 02:56 PM
If she's so smart,she'd know we are a representative republic,not a democracy.Are you trying to say that a representative republic isn't a form of democracy?

Cigar
10-01-2013, 02:58 PM
Who's taken hostage? I'm fine with the government shut down.

How you like that internet thang ... ?

Is the Electricity fine ... ?

Please tell me when you flush it actually goes somewhere?

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 02:58 PM
riiiiiiiiiiiight.

:rolleyes:


Jillian, you're smarter than Warren. You can tell a lot about people from how they compose their thoughts. Warren comes off as a flake. There are smart progressives, she's not one of them. Bill Clinton was one of the smartest progressives we've had in elected office, and he was a double threat because he could hide it behind "folksy".

As for Harvard, Yale, and some of the other "top" schools...George Bush. Just sayin'.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 03:00 PM
How you like that internet thang ... ?

Is the Electricity fine ... ?

Please tell me when you flush it actually goes somewhere?


I would have all those things without government. I have well and septic, I have solar, geothermal, and radiant heat, and a private electric cooperative for energy. My ISP is private.

Care to try again?

Cigar
10-01-2013, 03:01 PM
Jillian, you're smarter than Warren. You can tell a lot about people from how they compose their thoughts. Warren comes off as a flake. There are smart progressives, she's not one of them. Bill Clinton was one of the smartest progressives we've had in elected office, and he was a double threat because he could hide it behind "folksy".

As for Harvard, Yale, and some of the other "top" schools...George Bush. Just sayin'.


Shouldn't have wiped off on the Dress ... that's just Stupid :laugh:

Should have used the White House Drapes :laugh:

Cigar
10-01-2013, 03:02 PM
I would have all those things without government. I have well and septic, I have solar, geothermal, and radiant heat, and a private electric cooperative for energy. My ISP is private.

Care to try again?

Yea ... what's keeping in The Crappy Old USA :grin:

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 03:03 PM
Naturally she no match to your intellect :grin:

Her money comes directly from whoring for votes, so maybe she is smarter.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 03:08 PM
Yea ... what's keeping in The Crappy Old USA :grin:

Virginia is the land of Thomas Jefferson and the state wise enough to say the NDAA had to be nullified.

jillian
10-01-2013, 03:13 PM
Her money comes directly from whoring for votes, so maybe she is smarter.

link?

or would you like to make up another graph?

nice use of the word "whoring", too..... because, of course, that word wouldn't apply to ted cruz or rand paul or anyone on the right... righ?

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 03:16 PM
link?

or would you like to make up another graph?

nice use of the word "whoring", too..... because, of course, that word wouldn't apply to ted cruz or rand paul or anyone on the right... righ?


Anyone who exchanges money for political favors is a whore. Also, and however, I wouldn't mind if Chris Hemsworth were a whore. In fact, if somehow he could get elected into politics I might be a lobbyist.

jillian
10-01-2013, 03:18 PM
Anyone who exchanges money for political favors is a whore. Also, and however, I wouldn't mind if Chris Hemsworth were a whore. In fact, if somehow he could get elected into politics I might be a lobbyist.

i don't believe anyone has accused elizabeth warren of exchanging favors for money.

she has made a lot of money flipping real estate, though.

chris hemsworth is lovely.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 03:21 PM
i don't believe anyone has accused elizabeth warren of exchanging favors for money.

she has made a lot of money flipping real estate, though.

chris hemsworth is lovely.


Yes, yes he is.

Of Elizabeth Warren...I don't agree with her, but I believe she's a TB like Rand Paul, ergo I can stomach her. I cannot stomach many of them.

jillian
10-01-2013, 03:24 PM
Yes, yes he is.

Of Elizabeth Warren...I don't agree with her, but I believe she's a TB like Rand Paul, ergo I can stomach her. I cannot stomach many of them.

i hear ya. i don't know if rand is a TB yet, but i agree... at least if someone is heartfelt and consistent i can give a nod to their intellectual honesty.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 03:32 PM
link?

You really need me to explain what a politician does?


or would you like to make up another graph?

Facts are wasted on you and its not like you have the capacity to understand the data anyway.


nice use of the word "whoring", too..... because, of course, that word wouldn't apply to ted cruz or rand paul or anyone on the right... righ?

Whatever makes you feel better.

BB-35
10-01-2013, 03:38 PM
Are you trying to say that a representative republic isn't a form of democracy?

That's what I'm saying

jillian
10-01-2013, 03:47 PM
You really need me to explain what a politician does?

No you need to substantiate your allegation that she earned her wealth by trading on her influence. And you need to substantiate her "whoring" since those statements are pretty defamatory.



Facts are wasted on you and its not like you have the capacity to understand the data anyway.

Neither data nor facts are wasted on me. You offer neither in any credible form.


Whatever makes you feel better.

I feel neither "better" nor worse. It simply helps to confirm the unreliability of your statements.

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 03:50 PM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/we-negotiate-with-terrorists-so-why-not-with-the-gop-20131001?mrefid=LeadStoryTiles_normal

We Negotiate With Terrorists, Why not the GOP?

patrickt
10-01-2013, 03:51 PM
Elizabeth Warren? Oh, right, the Native American Blonde.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 04:50 PM
Elizabeth Warren? Oh, right, the Native American Blonde.

Nothing wrong with anyone who strays from the stereotypical norm.

I'm Jewish...

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 04:52 PM
dumbass harvard professors...

she's probably speaking in terms she thinks people understand.

Those who can? DO! - Those who can't? TEACH!

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 04:55 PM
Nothing wrong with anyone who strays from the stereotypical norm.

I'm Jewish...

Aren't you in financials? hahahahahaha sorry. ahem.

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 04:55 PM
Why the right and neocons hate Warren. And why I like her...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 04:57 PM
No you need to substantiate your allegation that she earned her wealth by trading on her influence. And you need to substantiate her "whoring" since those statements are pretty defamatory.



Neither data nor facts are wasted on me. You offer neither in any credible form.



I feel neither "better" nor worse. It simply helps to confirm the unreliability of your statements.



Says the queen of total bull shit posts! We will have to take you at your word? whatever that may be today?

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 04:58 PM
No you need to substantiate your allegation that she earned her wealth by trading on her influence. And you need to substantiate her "whoring" since those statements are pretty defamatory.

That's not my allegation... She whores herself for votes. That's what politicians do. Your reading comprehension isn't the best, but try to address what I am saying. Not what you would like for me to say.


Neither data nor facts are wasted on me. You offer neither in any credible form.

Says the person who can't seem to differentiate statistical data from the Federal Reserve Database from a made up source. You wouldn't know credibility if you found out what was stuffing your wonder bra.

But here is something more your speed.

http://www.factcheck.org


I feel neither "better" nor worse. It simply helps to confirm the unreliability of your statements.

Again, if that's what makes you feel better.

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 04:59 PM
Those who can? DO! - Those who can't? TEACH!

Why do the right always insult teachers? Granted there are some lazy arse ones, and I had some of them. But I also had some truly inspiring ones too. Teachers are such an easy target.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 05:00 PM
Aren't you in financials? hahahahahaha sorry. ahem.

Well played, ma'am...

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 05:00 PM
Says the queen of total bull shit posts! We will have to take you at your word? whatever that may be today?

C'mon Zel...glass houses and all that...

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 05:02 PM
Why do the right always insult teachers? Granted there are some lazy arse ones, and I had some of them. But I also had some truly inspiring ones too. Teachers are such an easy target.

I am all for Teachers, but not indoctrinators.

I think that a nice pay for performance structure should separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak!

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 05:06 PM
Why the right and neocons hate Warren. And why I like her...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111

As I said, I believe that she is a TB'r (true believer) like Rand Paul. However, the CFPB has absolutely zero ability to help consumers, not that it is her fault, but it is what it is.

My problems with her stems with what she wants to do which is make banking the role of government. As someone who was a child under the Soviets I can tell you where that leads. I don't want that.

I like community banks, especially those who value in social capital. Shores bank, enables you to get "credit" for helping your community.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 05:06 PM
Some teachers are currently still active in their field, while others are has-beens.

zelmo1234
10-01-2013, 05:06 PM
C'mon Zel...glass houses and all that...

Well Please do go back and pull my links and prove me wrong, I think that you will agree that I have in the past admitted that I am wrong if and when the rare liberal post a link with a credible fact that proves me wrong.

I am not the person that makes shit up, and then supports it with a blog that someone else made up and calls it fact

then disputes the charts created by the federal government and calls them lies and the person that post the link Waco-birds.

That would be Mrs. Jillian.

but you do usually rush to support her I will admit!

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 05:10 PM
As I said, I believe that she is a TB'r (true believer) like Rand Paul. However, the CFPB has absolutely zero ability to help consumers, not that it is her fault, but it is what it is.


Ah, yes, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Not to be confused with the already existing Bureau of Consumer Protection. I suppose the whole point of her new agency, redundant as it might have been, was to protect consumers. Obviously not taxpayers, but consumers.

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 05:11 PM
As I said, I believe that she is a TB'r (true believer) like Rand Paul. However, the CFPB has absolutely zero ability to help consumers, not that it is her fault, but it is what it is.

My problems with her stems with what she wants to do which is make banking the role of government. As someone who was a child under the Soviets I can tell you where that leads. I don't want that.

I like community banks, especially those who value in social capital. Shores bank, enables you to get "credit" for helping your community.

This is why I have always said I like a mixture of capitalism and socialism. Govts can't be trusted to run banks but neither can corporations. NZ started a bank called Kiwibank, which was exactly what you are describing. People flocked to it. I think they ended up selling it, but it has certain protections in place with regard to charging fees etc. My biggest bugbear with banking is fees. I used to get charged $5 a month for a 'service commitment fee'. WTF? What service? What commitment? I have stepped inside a bank about three times in the past five years - I do almost all most banking via ATM or internet. Before fees come in about 20 years ago banks were making plenty on debit interest alone...greedy pricks...

Agravan
10-01-2013, 05:44 PM
Those who can? DO! - Those who can't? TEACH!
Those who can't teach? LEGISLATE!

Alyosha
10-01-2013, 05:50 PM
This is why I have always said I like a mixture of capitalism and socialism. Govts can't be trusted to run banks but neither can corporations. NZ started a bank called Kiwibank, which was exactly what you are describing. People flocked to it. I think they ended up selling it, but it has certain protections in place with regard to charging fees etc. My biggest bugbear with banking is fees. I used to get charged $5 a month for a 'service commitment fee'. WTF? What service? What commitment? I have stepped inside a bank about three times in the past five years - I do almost all most banking via ATM or internet. Before fees come in about 20 years ago banks were making plenty on debit interest alone...greedy pricks...
Mr Happy

I am an anomaly among my libertarian cohorts because I actually hate big business. I do. Ethereal and I have had our worst arguments over Wal-Mart. I recognize that this stems from my religious beliefs, but it is what it is. I am prejudiced against them.

However, I think government is the chief cause of modern oligopoly. I went to school at Georgetown and lived in DC while going to law school. Many of my friends worked on the Hill or got K Street jobs. Washington is the place to be if you want to make money. Democrat...Republican...doesn't make a damn bit of difference there. Regulations are bought and sold at McCormick's by twenty-somethings.

I believe big corporations are empowered by government and I have seen the proof of that.

Were it up to me I would tear down the whole fucking structure and then reboot. I think cooperative commerce would be the answer. Community banks, community health shares, etc. There are small towns in the US that do this now.

Call me an anarcho-hippie but that's what I am.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 07:46 PM
@Mr Happy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=720)

I am an anomaly among my libertarian cohorts because I actually hate big business. I do. @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) and I have had our worst arguments over Wal-Mart. I recognize that this stems from my religious beliefs, but it is what it is. I am prejudiced against them.

However, I think government is the chief cause of modern oligopoly. I went to school at Georgetown and lived in DC while going to law school. Many of my friends worked on the Hill or got K Street jobs. Washington is the place to be if you want to make money. Democrat...Republican...doesn't make a damn bit of difference there. Regulations are bought and sold at McCormick's by twenty-somethings.

I believe big corporations are empowered by government and I have seen the proof of that.

Were it up to me I would tear down the whole fucking structure and then reboot. I think cooperative commerce would be the answer. Community banks, community health shares, etc. There are small towns in the US that do this now.

Call me an anarcho-hippie but that's what I am.

You are a huge bleeding heart. People have the wrong impression of you, I think.

Chris
10-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Mr Happy

I am an anomaly among my libertarian cohorts because I actually hate big business. I do. Ethereal and I have had our worst arguments over Wal-Mart. I recognize that this stems from my religious beliefs, but it is what it is. I am prejudiced against them.

However, I think government is the chief cause of modern oligopoly. I went to school at Georgetown and lived in DC while going to law school. Many of my friends worked on the Hill or got K Street jobs. Washington is the place to be if you want to make money. Democrat...Republican...doesn't make a damn bit of difference there. Regulations are bought and sold at McCormick's by twenty-somethings.

I believe big corporations are empowered by government and I have seen the proof of that.

Were it up to me I would tear down the whole fucking structure and then reboot. I think cooperative commerce would be the answer. Community banks, community health shares, etc. There are small towns in the US that do this now.

Call me an anarcho-hippie but that's what I am.



There's a difference between being pro-free-market and being pro-business. Most libertarians are pro-free-market, not pro-business. I am anti-business when it colludes with government in the form of crony capitalism. Pro-free-market is I suspect what you mean by cooperative commerce.

Chris
10-01-2013, 08:13 PM
You are a huge bleeding heart. People have the wrong impression of you, I think.



If so, then Alyosha, you should like this site: Bleeding Heart Libertarians (http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/). Lots of good stuff there.

Chris
10-01-2013, 08:15 PM
This is why I have always said I like a mixture of capitalism and socialism. Govts can't be trusted to run banks but neither can corporations. NZ started a bank called Kiwibank, which was exactly what you are describing. People flocked to it. I think they ended up selling it, but it has certain protections in place with regard to charging fees etc. My biggest bugbear with banking is fees. I used to get charged $5 a month for a 'service commitment fee'. WTF? What service? What commitment? I have stepped inside a bank about three times in the past five years - I do almost all most banking via ATM or internet. Before fees come in about 20 years ago banks were making plenty on debit interest alone...greedy pricks...


So you're for government-run banks even though you can't trust government? Clarify please.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 08:46 PM
So you're for government-run banks even though you can't trust government? Clarify please.

I didn't understand that one, either.

jillian
10-01-2013, 08:51 PM
I didn't understand that one, either.

that's because chris misstated his position.

sky dancer
10-01-2013, 08:53 PM
So you're for government-run banks even though you can't trust government? Clarify please.

“[The Federal Reserve] is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.”* “The Federal Reserve’s income is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations. . . . After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury.”5
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve/10489

Chris
10-01-2013, 08:56 PM
that's because chris misstated his position.

Because his position wasn't clear. But why not let happy clarify?

Chris
10-01-2013, 08:57 PM
“[The Federal Reserve] is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.”* “The Federal Reserve’s income is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations. . . . After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury.”5
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve/10489

Independent of what, it's still part of government.

Dr. Who
10-01-2013, 09:13 PM
If she's so smart,she'd know we are a representative republic,not a democracy.

Realistically America is a Republic under Common Law, and democracy under statutory law.

Mr Happy
10-01-2013, 09:15 PM
So you're for government-run banks even though you can't trust government? Clarify please.

My bad. I meant corporations - multi-tasking at the time. Although I don't trust govts completely either. We had some community type banks when I was growing up, but they got absorbed. I like that idea the best...

Mainecoons
10-01-2013, 09:34 PM
When I bought my first house, I went to the local bank, got a mortgage, the mortgage stayed there. I knew who I was dealing with and basically, we were neighbors.

These big banks are nothing but a bunch of predators.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 09:39 PM
When I bought my first house, I went to the local bank, got a mortgage, the mortgage stayed there. I knew who I was dealing with and basically, we were neighbors.

These big banks are nothing but a bunch of predators.

Yep. Yep. Yep.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 09:40 PM
They're predatory because they get people to sign up for loans they voluntarily agree to?

Mainecoons
10-01-2013, 09:41 PM
They lie alot.

Been there, experienced it first hand.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 09:47 PM
I'm sure alot of people experience some sort of true massaging when it comes to lending institutions. It's no different from college recruiters, army recruiters, job interviewers, etc.

At the end of the day, it's still up to you whether or not you want to expect the opportunity. It's not necessarily the fault with the lenders, but also the borrowers. People should really take the time to understand the risk and do more research.

That's what I do.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 09:53 PM
I'm sure alot of people experience some sort of true massaging when it comes to lending institutions. It's no different from college recruiters, army recruiters, job interviewers, etc.

At the end of the day, it's still up to you whether or not you want to expect the opportunity. It's not necessarily the fault with the lenders, but also the borrowers. People should really take the time to understand the risk and do more research.

That's what I do.

The crash of 2008 and bs after closed an assload of banks, so all we're left with is the ones that don't want to negotiate or can't. Smaller banks are more personal and apt to work with people.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 09:56 PM
The crash of 2008 and bs after closed an assload of banks, so all we're left with is the ones that don't want to negotiate or can't. Smaller banks are more personal and apt to work with people.

Actually, very few banks are working with or for anyone. Majority of the bank failures consisted of smaller banks. Most of the small banks currently operate as zombie banks.

Codename Section
10-01-2013, 09:58 PM
Actually, very few banks are working with or for anyone. Majority of the bank failures consisted of smaller banks. Most of the small banks currently operate as zombie banks.

Most of the smaller banks had regulations flowing out their asses like the Big D that were lobbied for by the bigger banks.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 10:02 PM
Most of the smaller banks had regulations flowing out their asses like the Big D that were lobbied for by the bigger banks.

That may be true, but that doesn't change the fact that most banks, big or small, are being paid a very large interest not to make commercial loans, by decree of the Economic Recovery and Stability Act.


http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?g=mY7



Also, when it comes to doing business with a big bank versus a smaller bank, I'd choose a bigger bank. I keep my money in Bank of America simply because I know that it will fail again.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 10:07 PM
That may be true, but that doesn't change the fact that most banks, big or small, are being paid a very large interest not to make commercial loans, by decree of the Economic Recovery and Stability Act.






Also, when it comes to doing business with a big bank versus a smaller bank, I'd choose a bigger bank. I keep my money in Bank of America simply because I know that it will fail again.


Why, if you think it is going to fail?

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 10:15 PM
Why, if you think it is going to fail?

It's highly leveraged and won't survive an increase in rates, especially if the FED decides to grow a pair and finally tapers. It puts Bank of America at a disadvantage because it will not be able to turn over their more toxic assets from their Countrywide Mortgage loans. The re-fi market has dropped in the last financial quarter and it has continued to do so throughout the summer. Among other things, the fundamentals of the company are not strong, especially since it has dropped it's mortgage staff by more than 2,000 employees.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/bofa-cuts-jobs-as-mortgage-slump-ensnares-jpmorgan-wells-fargo.html

The company is not solid at this time, but if you are a customer of the bank, I'm not trying to alarm you. If Bank of America fails, I know for certain that the Government will bail them out. They'll have no choice but to do so.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 10:25 PM
It's highly leveraged and won't survive an increase in rates, especially if the FED decides to grow a pair and finally tapers. It puts Bank of America at a disadvantage because it will not be able to turn over their more toxic assets from their Countrywide Mortgage loans. The re-fi market has dropped in the last financial quarter and it has continued to do so throughout the summer. Among other things, the fundamentals of the company are not strong, especially since it has dropped it's mortgage staff by more than 2,000 employees.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/bofa-cuts-jobs-as-mortgage-slump-ensnares-jpmorgan-wells-fargo.html

The company is not solid at this time, but if you are a customer of the bank, I'm not trying to alarm you. If Bank of America fails, I know for certain that the Government will bail them out. They'll have no choice but to do so.

I am not a customer. I would be against any bail out- at least for the bank.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 10:28 PM
I am not a customer. I would be against any bail out- at least for the bank.

So would I, but that's not a possibility. The FDIC is incapable of insuring a large bank if and when it becomes insolvent.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 10:34 PM
So would I, but that's not a possibility. The FDIC is incapable of insuring a large bank if and when it becomes insolvent.

I agree. That is why we shouldn't let the banks get that big.

Chris
10-01-2013, 10:41 PM
My bad. I meant corporations - multi-tasking at the time. Although I don't trust govts completely either. We had some community type banks when I was growing up, but they got absorbed. I like that idea the best...



OK, thanks.

Alyosha, was mentioned community banks, too. I think I'd trust them more, at least they're not too big to fail.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 10:50 PM
I agree. That is why we shouldn't let the banks get that big.

The size of the bank is really not the issue. The FDIC only has $170 Billion in its insurance fund. If 5 of the smallest mid-sized banks were two fail tomorrow, the FDIC wouldn't be able to cover nearly half of their losses, let alone a bank with over 1.1 Trillion dollars in deposits as the case is with Bank of America.

It's not an issue with the size of the bank, but the types of investments the bank makes. There is lots of convenience with larger banks, as it makes it easier for one branch to loan to another in the Inter banking Market to prevent a run. Smaller banks are not afforded such a luxury, especially if the bank isn't a member of the same clearing house association.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 11:37 PM
The size of the bank is really not the issue. The FDIC only has $170 Billion in its insurance fund. If 5 of the smallest mid-sized banks were two fail tomorrow, the FDIC wouldn't be able to cover nearly half of their losses, let alone a bank with over 1.1 Trillion dollars in deposits as the case is with Bank of America.

It's not an issue with the size of the bank, but the types of investments the bank makes. There is lots of convenience with larger banks, as it makes it easier for one branch to loan to another in the Inter banking Market to prevent a run. Smaller banks are not afforded such a luxury, especially if the bank isn't a member of the same clearing house association.


If a bank claims to be too big to fail, then it is too big. Tax payer dollars should not be used to cover bank failures.

AmazonTania
10-01-2013, 11:46 PM
If a bank claims to be too big to fail, then it is too big. Tax payer dollars should not be used to cover bank failures.

Banks only become too big to fail if you bail them out.

BB-35
10-01-2013, 11:51 PM
Realistically America is a Republic under Common Law, and democracy under statutory law.

Realistically a representative republic operates under rule of law(the constitution),while a democracy operates under mob rule.

Peter1469
10-01-2013, 11:55 PM
Banks only become too big to fail if you bail them out.

Right. Don't bail them out.

Ravi
10-02-2013, 05:59 AM
Realistically a representative republic operates under rule of law(the constitution),while a democracy operates under mob rule.
There is more than one type of democracy:

de·moc·ra·cy
diˈmäkrəsē/
noun
noun: democracy
1.
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"


synonyms:
representative government, elective government; self-government (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+self-government&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA), government by the people;
republic (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+republic&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDIQ_SowAA), commonwealth (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+commonwealth&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA)
"freedom of speech is essential to democracy"






Though you are correct that we do not operate under mob rule. Which is why blacks are free to marry whites and same sex couples are free to marry each other.

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 06:41 AM
The size of the bank is really not the issue. The FDIC only has $170 Billion in its insurance fund. If 5 of the smallest mid-sized banks were two fail tomorrow, the FDIC wouldn't be able to cover nearly half of their losses, let alone a bank with over 1.1 Trillion dollars in deposits as the case is with Bank of America.

It's not an issue with the size of the bank, but the types of investments the bank makes. There is lots of convenience with larger banks, as it makes it easier for one branch to loan to another in the Inter banking Market to prevent a run. Smaller banks are not afforded such a luxury, especially if the bank isn't a member of the same clearing house association.

The size of the bank is an issue to me. When you are one customer among 100 million worldwide your money in that bank means nothing. When you are one customer among 10,000 it's slightly different.

I am compelled to make changes in this world, those changes which both benefit myself and benefit the world around me, and I have money now and I have the type of professional license which allows me to make a dent, so I will.

There are a lot of things we can do, and by "we" I mean American liberty lovers, to help each other, help the poor, and thwart the US behemoth and one of them is bitcoin, putting money in community banks and other grass roots cooperative means, and, also keep cash.

There are cooperative lending vehicles, angel lenders, etc.

I'm willing to loan money at interest rather than see someone go to BOA.

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 06:44 AM
There is more than one type of democracy:

de·moc·ra·cy
diˈmäkrəsē/
noun
noun: democracy
1.
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"


synonyms:
representative government, elective government; self-government (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+self-government&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA), government by the people;
republic (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+republic&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDIQ_SowAA), commonwealth (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+commonwealth&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA)
"freedom of speech is essential to democracy"





Though you are correct that we do not operate under mob rule. Which is why blacks are free to marry whites and same sex couples are free to marry each other.

Blacks and whites have always been free as have gay couples to marry. I went to my first gay wedding when I was 13 in this country. You mean adopt a super-tax status that the federal government dangles over people like the medal of honor.

Has anyone every considered the stupidity of allowing a government to approve or disapprove marriage?

What credentials does the government have to do that? Marriage is an emotional relationship between however many people choose to engage in it.

If you mean the business contract side of it, people could always engage in those, as well.

Chris
10-02-2013, 09:07 AM
If she's so smart,she'd know we are a representative republic,not a democracy.


Realistically America is a Republic under Common Law, and democracy under statutory law.


Realistically a representative republic operates under rule of law(the constitution),while a democracy operates under mob rule.


There is more than one type of democracy:

de·moc·ra·cy
diˈmäkrəsē/
noun
noun: democracy
1.
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"


synonyms:
representative government, elective government; self-government (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+self-government&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA), government by the people;
republic (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+republic&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDIQ_SowAA), commonwealth (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+commonwealth&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA)
"freedom of speech is essential to democracy"






Though you are correct that we do not operate under mob rule. Which is why blacks are free to marry whites and same sex couples are free to marry each other.



Got to love argument from ambiguity: representative republic and majoritarian democracy are both types of democracy. Too many liberals like to play these word games.

BB-35
10-02-2013, 11:09 AM
There is more than one type of democracy:

de·moc·ra·cy
diˈmäkrəsē/
noun
noun: democracy
1.
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"


synonyms:

representative government, elective government; self-government (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+self-government&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA), government by the people;
republic (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+republic&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDIQ_SowAA), commonwealth (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=pfL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+commonwealth&sa=X&ei=FvxLUv3yCora8wS9z4DIAw&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA)
"freedom of speech is essential to democracy"






Though you are correct that we do not operate under mob rule. Which is why blacks are free to marry whites and same sex couples are free to marry each other.

If it were the same thing,the constitution would have guaranteed the states a democratic form of government,not a republican

Ravi
10-02-2013, 11:19 AM
If it were the same thing,the constitution would have guaranteed the states a democratic form of government,not a republican
A republic can be a form of democracy, and in our case it is a form of democracy. In the People's Republic of China, it isn't a form of democracy.

Remember this the next time you champion the people voting on whether or not gay people can marry each other. Since you seem to be against direct democracy.

AmazonTania
10-02-2013, 04:54 PM
The size of the bank is an issue to me. When you are one customer among 100 million worldwide your money in that bank means nothing. When you are one customer among 10,000 it's slightly different.

I am compelled to make changes in this world, those changes which both benefit myself and benefit the world around me, and I have money now and I have the type of professional license which allows me to make a dent, so I will.

There are a lot of things we can do, and by "we" I mean American liberty lovers, to help each other, help the poor, and thwart the US behemoth and one of them is bitcoin, putting money in community banks and other grass roots cooperative means, and, also keep cash.

There are cooperative lending vehicles, angel lenders, etc.

I'm willing to loan money at interest rather than see someone go to BOA.

I'm not advocating one particular size bank over another. I'm not explaining why I chose to put my money in a large bank. I'm an investor, so larger banks have services which are geared towards my lifestyle. If you like simple, personal and easy banking, then you should use a smaller bank. If you value security, convenience and flexibility, then you should use a larger bank.

I remember using a smaller bank when I arrived to the states. It was fine, but I don't remember enjoying it that much. Checks took longer to clear. Banking online wasn't as easy. And there was too much of a hassle setting up my PIN for my debit card. Larger banks seem to offer more of the services I value.

Codename Section
10-02-2013, 05:23 PM
A republic can be a form of democracy, and in our case it is a form of democracy.

It's a representative democracy, not direct democracy.



In the People's Republic of China, it isn't a form of democracy.


Not here either.



Remember this the next time you champion the people voting on whether or not gay people can marry each other. Since you seem to be against direct democracy.

Government shouldn't take up the cause of marriage. That's like the government taking up the cause of whether or not I can have sex, or eat pizza, or go rock climbing.

Marriage is a personal choice with various definitions and should never have been put in the hands of government to regulate.

BB-35
10-02-2013, 05:59 PM
A republic can be a form of democracy, and in our case it is a form of democracy. In the People's Republic of China, it isn't a form of democracy.

Remember this the next time you champion the people voting on whether or not gay people can marry each other. Since you seem to be against direct democracy.

That's because china can't back up their use of the word

We can,and do.


And I really don't care what the deviants do

Ravi
10-02-2013, 07:44 PM
That's because china can't back up their use of the word

We can,and do.


And I really don't care what the deviants doOkie dokie.

patrickt
12-26-2013, 06:34 AM
The threats may continue, but they are not working and they never will. In a democracy, hostage tactics are the last resort for those who can't win their fights through elections, can't win their fights in Congress, can't win their fights for the Presidency, and can't win their fights in Courts.

For this right-wing minority, hostage-taking is all they have left – a last gasp of those who cannot cope with the realities of our democracy.

The time has come for those legislators who cannot cope with the reality of our democracy to get out of the way – so that those of us in BOTH parties can get back to working on solving the real problems faced by the American people.

We have real work to do.

Elizabeth


Wow ... Bitch Slapped by a Woman, I'm starting to feel sorry for the Good Old Boys. :laugh:

I'll yield to Cigar as an expert on bitch slapped but he's clearly off base here. I thought when she talked about holding hostages she was talking about President Obama's decision in his partial shutdown of the government to close the WWII Memorial and arrest 80-year old veterans and prohibit people from parking on the side of the highway and looking at Mt. Rushmore.

I wouldn't expect a member of the Democrat Party to understand or support democracy. They'll pass bills that nobody wants, according to Rep. Pelosi, they'll pursue actions that most Americans don't want, they'll sue states that try to improve education for minority children and they'll sue states that try to reduce election fraud. No, I'm sorry, Cigar, but Democrats obviously don't understand the idea of democracy.

Oh, did I mention the Card Check Bill. That's the ideal of Democrat Party Democracy in action. The elites will decide and impose on the proles.

Guest
12-26-2013, 10:45 AM
Has any consideration been given to changing the topic of this thread to: "Moronic things said by Elizabeth Warren"?

This woman is dangerously stupid....but probably no more so than the fools who voted for her.

Mainecoons
12-26-2013, 11:19 AM
Yes but she's a faux Indian so that makes her a darling of the left.

jillian
12-26-2013, 11:31 AM
Yes but she's a faux Indian so that makes her a darling of the left.

that was a rightwingnut issue, not even up for discussion on the part of the left.

i'm sure it was a good deflection from her positions on controlling the unchecked actions of banks.

Guest
12-26-2013, 05:10 PM
Yes but she's a faux Indian so that makes her a darling of the left.

That's right. I forgot about the whole Pocahontas thing. She's not only stupid, she's a liar and a thief.