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Cigar
10-02-2013, 07:25 AM
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Alyosha
10-02-2013, 07:31 AM
Are all Democrats this big of babies? Seriously, you guys are as hysterical and drama prone as a bunch of old women.

OMG! The government is SHUT DOWN! Oh, except that 99% of the agencies are still running, but IT IS SHUT DOWN! OH NOOOOOOES!

hahahahahaha you guys...

Cigar
10-02-2013, 07:32 AM
Have a nice Election :grin:

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 07:37 AM
I will. Did you google: Rand Paul and the millennials?

I'll have a really nice election next time.

Cigar
10-02-2013, 07:43 AM
I will. Did you google: Rand Paul and the millennials?

I'll have a really nice election next time.

Take it from the experts ... what do I know, after all ... I haven't been Black as long as You and Rand Paul. :rollseyes:

Ravi
10-02-2013, 07:45 AM
Good one. I saw yesterday that the Republicans have voted 46 times to defund Obamacare. Could they get any more ridiculous?

(rhetorical question, btw)

Agravan
10-02-2013, 07:48 AM
Take it from the experts ... what do I know, after all ... I haven't been Black as long as You and Rand Paul. :rollseyes:
There ya go. Race Card again. Who in hell mentioned anything about race? Are you insecure in your victimhood?

Cigar
10-02-2013, 07:48 AM
Good one. I saw yesterday that the Republicans have voted 46 times to defund Obamacare. Could they get any more ridiculous?

(rhetorical question, btw)

They should ask Rand and Alyosha if Black People value Health Care Access ... go ahead ... ask.

Cigar
10-02-2013, 07:51 AM
There ya go. Race Card again. Who in hell mentioned anything about race? Are you insecure in your victimhood?

Hey .. DS ... you may want to Google: Rand Paul and the millennial's, first ... before inserting foot in mouth. Ooops (http://www.policymic.com/articles/65185/how-rand-paul-will-win-with-black-voters-and-millennials) :tongue:

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 07:54 AM
Take it from the experts ... what do I know, after all ... I haven't been Black as long as You and Rand Paul. :rollseyes:

What does "black" have to do with millennials aside from the fact that some of them are millennials?

Agravan
10-02-2013, 07:55 AM
Hey .. DS ... you may want to Google: Rand Paul and the millennial's, first ... before inserting foot in mouth. Ooops (http://www.policymic.com/articles/65185/how-rand-paul-will-win-with-black-voters-and-millennials) :tongue:yeah yeah, they're all racists..yawn...

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 07:56 AM
They should ask Rand and Alyosha if Black People value Health Care Access ... go ahead ... ask.

Everyone wants Health Care. People also like time outside of prison. I have a nice Land Rover because people will pay good money to not go there.

Go figure.

Cigar
10-02-2013, 08:09 AM
Everyone wants Health Care. People also like time outside of prison. I have a nice Land Rover because people will pay good money to not go there.

Go figure.

Hey ... that's a really good way to start communications with Black People ... "People also like time outside of prison"

Insulting people is a way of life for the Right and their results speaks volumes.

Good Luck to you Rand; I'm expecting it to be as entertaining as it was before.

Can't wait to see another GOP effort go down in flames, because they are soo knowledgeable about Minorities.

Enough said ... please carry on

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 08:12 AM
Hey ... that's a really good way to start communications with Black People ... "People also like time outside of prison"



It is actually when opinion polls -- those things you always like to produce-- show that drug sentencing rules it their #1 issue.

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 08:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W7St2IOyTs

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 08:16 AM
http://www.policymic.com/articles/65185/how-rand-paul-will-win-with-black-voters-and-millennials


Last week, Senator Rand Paul delivered remarks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/rand-paul-mandatory-minimum-laws_n_3949415.html) likening mandatory minimum sentencing to Jim Crow (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/books/michelle-alexanders-new-jim-crow-raises-drug-law-debates.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0); he then rallied (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/09/17/rand-paul-we-went-crazy-on-the-war-on-drugs/) to get voting rights restored for convicted felons. These stances come on the heels of his tacit approval (http://www.policymic.com/articles/62047/obama-will-not-get-away-with-a-syria-strike-on-my-watch) of President Obama’s handling of the Syrian conflict. Together, Paul's positions bring an interesting turn to his relatively short (http://www.biography.com/people/rand-paul-588472) political career: he is gaining favor among African Americans and young voters, where his conservative counterparts have failed.
Republicans were slammed (http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_12.html) in the 2012 presidential election for their racist, homophobic, and misogynistic image (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/the-republican-party-loss-among-young-voters-goes-way-beyond-rebranding/). Blacks, Latinos, gays, women, and young people feared a Republican leader unable and unwilling to address their concerns. Rand Paul is trying to change this narrative, and with bold and reasoned (http://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/mandatory-minimum-sentencing-provisions-under-federal-law) stances on sentencing reform and voting rights, I think he’s on the right path.
This is not to say that Paul is liberal or even center-right. According to his website (http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=issues), he is pro-life, pro-gun, and anti-Obamacare. His stance on gay marriage is murky (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/27/rand-paul-invokes-bestiality-while-discussing-gay-marriage-walks-it-back/) at best, although his vitriolic hatred (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2013/07/29/rand-pauls-anti-abortion-extremism-disqualifies-him-as-a-libertarian) for a woman’s right to choose is more clear. He’s a strong believer in unchecked corporate growth and minimal government intervention. He’s a libertarian (http://watchdog.org/106803/liberty-issues-will-grow-gop-rand-paul-tells-libertarian-conference/), with no plans of compromising his values to fit into a cookie-cutter mold that is current political discourse (http://www.people-press.org/2012/06/04/partisan-polarization-surges-in-bush-obama-years/).


Although a newcomer on Capitol Hill, he’s already making a splash (http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/rand-paul-2013-9/) on the national stage, winning two straw polls (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/22/rand-paul-wins-another-straw-poll/) this year. He’s already on the short list of 2016 presidential hopefuls, and his growing celebrity status is adding to his appeal.


Although he is a far-right conservative, he understands that more minorities and millennials (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/black-voter-census_n_3240403.html) in the electorate means more votes. While I believe his views on sentencing and voting reforms are genuine, I’d be foolish to forget that he’s a politician. His efforts to include minorities and young people into his political realm is tactical.

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 08:17 AM
Oh and Cigar

My friend Valencia, she's a black female, was the one that convinced me that Rand Paul may not be his father but that I should support him.

I know the Democratic Party Line is that we women and minorities MUST be Democrats because all women, blacks, gays, etc think a like, but we all don't.

There are trends, but not everyone follows a trend.

Cigar
10-02-2013, 08:27 AM
Oh and @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294)

My friend Valencia, she's a black female, was the one that convinced me that Rand Paul may not be his father but that I should support him.

I know the Democratic Party Line is that we women and minorities MUST be Democrats because all women, blacks, gays, etc think a like, but we all don't.

There are trends, but not everyone follows a trend.

The last census showed there where upwards or more than 42 Million African Americans in The United States of America who identified themselves as black alone or in combination with one or more other races, according to 2010 Census. They made up approximately 13.6 percent of the total U.S. population. The black population grew by 15.4 percent from 2000 to 2010.


So it;s quite possible there are African American Rand Paul Supporters ... but the facts are what the fats are ... :wink:


Barack Obama's reelection was bolstered by an increasingly diverse electorate. Whites made up only 72 percent of the electorate in the latest national exit poll data, with African-American and Latino voters comprising nearly a quarter of all voters in the presidential election. And while Romney racked up a double-digit lead among whites, Obama continues to win a huge portion of nonwhite votes.


1. Latinos
About 71 percent of Hispanic voters cast ballots for President Obama, compared with 27 percent who voted for Romney, according to national exit polling data. That's the largest Democratic margin since 1996. Four years ago the president won 67 percent of the Hispanic vote while Republican challenger John McCain won 31 percent of the vote.
They also made up ten percent of voters, the first foray into double digits for Hispanic voters.
While Latinos join the electorate as a whole in citing the economy as the biggest issue facing the nation, immigration is also key, and many Latino voters were wary of Romney's reluctance to provide specifics on how he would approach immigration reform. While Latino voters were frustrated that Obama didn't achieve comprehensive immigration reform, they overwhelmingly supported Obama's order to grant some young undocumented immigrants deportation reprieves, and saw it as a step in the right direction. The struggling economy has hit Latinos especially hard. The foreclosure crisis disproportionately impacted Hispanics, for example. But ultimately, they felt Obama related to people like them better, and Latinos signaled that they think he deserves a second term.


2. African-Americans
93 percent of African-American voters cast ballots for the president. Many credit Obama, the first black president, for jumpstarting the struggling economy and overhauling the healthcare system. And African-Americans strongly disapprove of Republican-backed voter ID laws, which disproportionately impact minorities who are less likely to have the required identification.


3. Women
Women, particularly unmarried women, voted for the incumbent as well. Slightly more than two-thirds of unmarried female voters cast ballots for Obama, compared with 30 percent who voted for Romney. Obama performed well with women in general, but it was closer among married women. About 46 percent of married women backed Obama, while 53 favored Romney. Unmarried women are more likely to be lower-income and minority voters, who tend to vote Democratic.


Romney won the white vote by 58 percent, the biggest lead for a Republican candidate since 1988. But as the breakdown of votes among minorities and young voters shows, the Republican Party has struggled to gain support elsewhere. And as the country's population continues to diversify and as more minorities come of voting age, Republicans will need to reevaluate where they stand on positions such as immigration and healthcare if they hope to reel in minority voters.

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 08:30 AM
The last census showed there where upwards or more than 42 Million African Americans in The United States of America who identified themselves as black alone or in combination with one or more other races, according to 2010 Census. They made up approximately 13.6 percent of the total U.S. population. The black population grew by 15.4 percent from 2000 to 2010.


So you are saying what? That all blacks are collectivist and engage in group think?

Jesus, that's an awful thing to say about them.

Mister D
10-02-2013, 08:31 AM
So you are saying what? That all blacks are collectivist and engage in group think?

Jesus, that's an awful thing to say about them.

It's all about race with these people. The sooner you come to accept that the better.

Alyosha
10-02-2013, 08:36 AM
It's all about race with these people. The sooner you come to accept that the better.

I don't think that's true for my generation. We're mixing it up. Race, sex, sexual preferences just don't matter.

Mainecoons
10-02-2013, 08:39 AM
Don't confuse people who start threads with cartoons as intelligent about race or any other issue for that matter.

Mister D
10-02-2013, 08:47 AM
I don't think that's true for my generation. We're mixing it up. Race, sex, sexual preferences just don't matter.

You'll get it eventually. Trust me, you will.

Cigar
10-02-2013, 08:49 AM
I don't think that's true for my generation. We're mixing it up. Race, sex, sexual preferences just don't matter.

It does matter to people who use the phrase "these people" ... get it? :wink20:

Agravan
10-02-2013, 08:53 AM
It does matter to people who use the phrase "these people" ... get it? :wink20:
"These people" in this instance, is referring to liberals, DA.

Mister D
10-02-2013, 08:53 AM
It does matter to people who use the phrase "these people" ... get it? :wink20:

It does matter to me. I'm plain spoken and honest about it. It obviously matters to you too. After all, you can't stop talking about it.

Mister D
10-02-2013, 08:54 AM
"These people" in this instance, is referring to liberals, DA.

Yes, it does apply to white progressives.