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Germanicus
10-03-2013, 06:32 AM
I want to take you back to the 1850s, a time of tension just before the American Civil War. A new politics was spreading across the lands the likes of which few could comprehend. The result was the creation of a new political party in a small schoolhouse within a small Wisconsin town. This party was to be called the ‘Republican Party’. Assuming you already know all that perhaps it is best I just dive right into the subject at hand.


A man named Alvin Earl Bovay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvan_E._Bovay) was in rural New York State, who went to Norwich University and admitted to the bar at Utica in July, 1846. A man dedicated to politics he became heavily involved in abolitionism and free soil, two popular movements at the time. He became the secretary of the National Reform Association which was a group dedicated to advancing the Homestead Act, free soil, abolitionism, and adding reverence to God into the US Constitution.


The NRA was chiefly concerned with the concentration of wealth, something they tied to the horrors of the old world. They felt there should not be a right to the unlimited accumulation of wealth in this country. The association (http://www.hbs.edu/bhr/archives/bookreviews/80/mgreen.pdf)soon turned towards what is described as “a spectrum the most revolutionary anarchist and socialist currents in American life”. This hostility towards concentrated wealth made them hostile to the South especially seeing as how it was governed largely by wealthy gentry using slavery in replace of paid labor, further amassing their wealth concentration and depriving laborers of good wages.


Some historians have tied the NRA’s most important members to being under the influence of Socialism, Trade Unionism, and of course Abolitionism. By the late 1840s they had taken up the issue of a new Homestead Act whereby land west of the Mississippi accounting for 160 or more undeveloped acres would be given to any occupant 21 years or older who lived there for five years and maintained the land. This was perhaps their most important cause which was the land – reform movement, which was tied into abolitionism.


In the late 1840s Bovay relocated his family from New York to the newly formed town of Ripon, Wisconsin. Just prior to its formation the area had been used by utopian socialists as a commune known as Ceresco after the Roman Goddess of agriculture. It was still a hotbed for political activity, of which I believe it is safe to assume Socialism was a major driving force.



Around 1852 Bovay had contacted newspaper editor Horace Greeley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Greeley), a man who had been an adherent of the newly developing ideology of Socialism. His newspaper, the New York Tribune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Daily_Tribune), was the most widely circulated paper in America and featured such contributors as Margaret Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Fuller) (the first major Feminist), Henry James Sr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_James_(Senior)) (utopian Socialist), Charles Dana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Anderson_Dana) (Abolitionist), and Karl Marx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx) (founder of Communism). Marx was one of the main contributors to the Tribune and his work is available online (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/newspapers/new-york-tribune.htm). Another contributor to the paper Henry Jarvis Raymond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jarvis_Raymond) went on to found the New York Times.



In 1860 a paramilitary group of the Republican Party was formed called the Wide Awake Republicans, identifying themselves as ‘Wide Awakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Awakes)’. One reported incident was on October 3, 1860 in Chicago when 10,000 Wide Awakes marched in a three – mile precession. By the end of 1860 the New York Tribune had estimated there to be over 400,000 drilled and uniformed Wide Awakes nationwide. [The New York Herald (Sept. 19, 1860)] The adopted unofficial mission statement of Wide Awake chapters was:






1st. To act as a political police.

2nd. To do escort duty to all prominent Republican speakers who visit our place to address our citizens.

3rd. To attend all public meetings in a body and see that order is kept and that the speaker and meeting is not disturbed.

4th. To attend the polls and see that justice is done to every legal voter.

5th. To conduct themselves in such a manner as to induce all Republicans to join them.

6th. To be a body joined together in large numbers to work for the good of the Republican Ticket.



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The Republican Party was founded by Socialists, at the time Socialist rhetoric, worked through a Socialist newspaper, and marched as a half – million large militia bearing two revolutionary flags and the eye of providence. Yet Bovay was still not satisfied and by the 1870s he marched under a new banner, that of prohibition by founding the Prohibition Party. This was the new issue of which the radicals rallied around, then adopting it into the Republican Party during the 1880s.

http://occidentaltraditionalist.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/republican-party-was-founded-by.html
I like The Occidental Traditionalist. He is super smart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Awakes
http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/projects/lincoln/contents/grinspan.html

Did you Republicans know that you were socialists? Imagine a hybrid Wide Awake Tea Party. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee could be the leaders maybe. And you bring in Nader off the bench and his Nader Raiders... Take in a Green Party Member. Unions.. A US Third Party Coalition built on common goals and compromise.

One thing I think is important for a new party is that it does not take political donations. I think that is one of the things that messed OWS up because it made them hypocritical. It must be free to support the party and all members equal.

Got any rule ideas for a new political party? The next election will be perfect for a Third Party/Independent. The time has never been better for a new US party to emerge or a coalition.

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 06:46 AM
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The four scenes from the promotional pamphlet Pipps Among the Wide Awakes demonstrate the organization’s deliberate appeal to young voters. They depict, from left to right, young Mr. Pipps examining his new moustache, reading about politics in the Republican New York Tribune, getting beaten up by “political antagonists” while in his Wide Awake uniform, and arguing with his conservative Democratic father. Reprinted from Charles G. Leland, Pipps Among the Wide Awakes (New York: Wevill & Chapin Engravers & Printers, 1860). Courtesy Historical Society of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.
http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/projects/lincoln/contents/grinspan.html

Those old uptight conservative democrats just dont know how to jitterbug like us socialist Wide Awakes. (:

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Germanicus
10-03-2013, 06:56 AM
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The Wide Awakes could have a new beginning. A Third Part is a better idea than rebellion and the Tea Party is being exploited by the Republican Party.

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Germanicus
10-03-2013, 07:22 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c4g3r8VD7M


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVZfvLVktlY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1FGHWGFfk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtfE72Ni9_Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAVTG-hgLic

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 07:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmRgraXIlg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXg5bNXmY0k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMhAmL9ZfU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_rTTsZZ9KE&list=PL5E70E99E88E46144

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 08:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30DMi866ThM

The Wide Awake Patriots could be the new breed of western conservative. A party based on nationalist neo-distributism incorporating State Capitalism under a nominally conservative socialist government/leadership.

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The Party needs to include a guy like Jerry White. The coaltion does not need to agree on everything. The party is based on cooperation and common agreed to goals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jerry_White_addresses_a_meeting.jpg

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 08:30 AM
They didnt know how to jitterbug yet hey. It was The Romantic Era.
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Square Dance, Waltz, Polka, and The Grand March.

The Waltz revolutionized ‘couple dances’ because it was a “closed dance” in which people danced “arm in arm.” Introduced in Germany at the end of the 18th century, waltz means” to roll” or “to turn” in German. The Waltz then traveled to France and England around 1812, and eventually to America. Not socially accepted when it first arrived in England, because of the couple’s close position, it was eventually the most popular and enduring 19th century couple dance. The couple holds each other close, and as a tight unit, swirls around the room in dizzying turns. The excitement of the Industrial Revolution (the turning of the steam engine) and the romanticism of the era are reflected in the music and dance of the Waltz.
http://dancetimepublications.com/resources/social-dance-timeline/romantic-era-1850-1869/

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 08:43 AM
Mooo!

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 09:24 AM
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And hows a guy like Adam Kinzinger get any playing time when the Republica roster is so crowded. There is more than enough room fpr two conservative parties. A break away party makes sense for so many reasons.

It would be awesome.

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Kinzinger seems much more establishment Republican. He is like new breed establishment. The Republican Party does not have to die. The Republican Party has too much talent. The democrats have no big up and comers really compared to the Republican Party.

You have an elephant a donkey and dont tread on me snake altered to feature the eye of providence ( on the snake. So the snake is the same, coiled and ready to strike with mouth open and tongue out. And you make his eye the Eye of Providence. The Eye of Providence doesnt need to dominate, it can be subtle but it should be there. The eye could be inside a small pyramid. It would look awesome.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag

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Germanicus
10-03-2013, 09:43 AM
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Germanicus
10-03-2013, 10:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf9DWfvrUMU

It would be like creating a new league. Wide Awake Tea Party Patriots would be like the ABA. They could have their own primaries and stuff. Elect their own leaders.

Pistol Paul Ryan with his budget would be a good guy to include. I think heaps of people would consider jumping ship. The timing is pefect now to make a break away second conservative party.

1. Ted 'the cruz missile' Cruz

2. Rand 'The Southern Avenger' Paul

3. Mike 'Rand Paul of the west' Lee

4. 'Pistol' Paul Ryan 'the Bowhunter'.

5. Michele 'the buzzsaw' Bachmann

That is the starting five.

PostScript - It has to be a party of economic credibilty. Pistol Paul Ryan and Bachmann would make a good team to handle a Wide Awake Budget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGKgzIGC2eM

Bachamann and Ryan. Bachmann would make a decent Wide Awake VP.

I thought Bachmann did really well in some of the GOP debates. One of them some thought she won. I saw that she has been in Egypt lately and she is a strong strong supporter of Israel. The new party must be a party that looks for diplomacy. Rand Paul helped make this wave rise when he responded to Obama on Syria. Rand Paul was respectful to China in his speech. And to other nations. This is huge. This needs to be a feature of the new party. Respect for other nations. Especially China. Chinese markets are too important to jeopardize on Obama-like nonsense like accusing China of hacking. These things need to be dealt with behind closed doors. I think Bachmann could be an important role player and possible VP. Paul Ryan the budget. Doesnt have to be those two but the party needs economic credibility.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIdTip5cjo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5-J2Spj7kg

For the sake of the Republcan Establishment they need to let the Tea Party go. To encourage it. The Tea Party has become a destructive element from within. The establishment needs to be united. Registered Republicans are getting ripped off and fed up having to put up with this destructive enemy from within. The Tea Party must be costing a great deal of treasure to manage. Wide Awake Patriots are being exploited by the establishment and they know it. They are wide awake. The relationship cannot continue in the form of one party.

Two conservative parties.

Germanicus
10-03-2013, 11:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoD2yDOqbrg

Huntsman and the Jon2012Girls would be great role players for the Wide Awakes.

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Ravi
10-03-2013, 12:02 PM
Funny thread. They are also responsible for the Progressive Party. And then one day they got taken over by racists.

Chris
10-03-2013, 12:05 PM
Funny thread. They are also responsible for the Progressive Party. And then one day they got taken over by racists.



I don't think Progressives were overtaken, just always racist. But someone like nic will say the Progressives, or more properly, Democrats, are no longer racist.

Ravi
10-03-2013, 12:08 PM
I don't think Progressives were overtaken, just always racist. But someone like nic will say the Progressives, or more properly, Democrats, are no longer racist.
I was referring to the Republicans, perhaps you didn't realized the topic of this thread is Republicans.

Chris
10-03-2013, 12:17 PM
I was referring to the Republicans, perhaps you didn't realized the topic of this thread is Republicans.

In the following:


Funny thread. They are also responsible for the Progressive Party. And then one day they got taken over by racists.

The immediate referent of "they" is progressives. Learn to write better English.

If this is about Republicans, more properly their socialist origins, why are you going off topic about racist progressives?

Ravi
10-03-2013, 12:29 PM
In the following:



The immediate referent of "they" is progressives. Learn to write better English.

If this is about Republicans, more properly their socialist origins, why are you going off topic about racist progressives?
ah, I see you've reverted to your normal anal self. Enjoy.

Chris
10-03-2013, 12:31 PM
ah, I see you've reverted to your normal anal self. Enjoy.

And I see you have as much trouble with words as you have with sentences. Keep trolling, marie.

Chris
10-03-2013, 01:08 PM
Generally speaking it's not surprising to see socialist connections with the Republican Party. Somewhere around here is polly's crib of Marx's defense of the North in the Civil War. Fast forwarding, in the 1950s, in reaction to FDR taking on the label liberal, we see neoConservatives forming many of who were ex-communist and ex-Trotskyites (not all, certainly Buckley wasn't, nor Frank Meyer who tried to fuse neoCons of that say and age with newly fromed libertarians). Fast forwarding again we see a second rice of conservativism, also called neoconservativism, again ex-liberals, ex-communists, grandfathered by Irving Kristol who defined neocons as liberals mugged by reality.

Ravi
10-03-2013, 01:53 PM
we see a second rice of conservativismWhite rice?

Chris
10-03-2013, 02:23 PM
Rise. Thanks! Though I would think most intelligent people could figure that out from context.