More Truth About Shutdown From Schumer

[hanger4]

But on Thursday morning, Senate majority leader Harry Reid blocked votes on House-passed bills to fund veterans, the military reserves and National Guard, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and national memorials.



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Why won't Senate Democrats and President Obama agree now to any more stopgap funding bills?

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Senator Chuck Schumer of New York told THE WEEKLY STANDARD following a noon press conference Thursday that in 1995 "it was a different world." Why is that? "Because we have a Tea Party," Schumer said without elaborating as he walked away.




http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/landrieu-schumer-reid-oppose-bills-fund-veterans-affairs-national-institutes-health_759134.html

Same thing only different.

Same ol crap different day.

[hanger4]

Not that it really matters but,

my son-in-law, Lt USAF stationed at Andrews Air Force Base,

just told me the PX's on base are closed but

the golf course is open.

To funny.

[ptif219]

Not that it really matters but,

my son-in-law, Lt USAF stationed at Andrews Air Force Base,

just told me the PX's on base are closed but

the golf course is open.

To funny.

Obama cherry picks what he closes to hurt the people. The golf course must stay open Obama plays there

[jillian]

Obama cherry picks what he closes to hurt the people. The golf course must stay open Obama plays there

as opposed to shutting the government to throw a temper tantrum like the wingers?

okay. lmao

[Agravan]

as opposed to shutting the government to throw a temper tantrum like the wingers?okay. lmao

so have you been instructed by your handlers to continuously use the "tantrum" meme or have you finally reached the "T" portion on your liberal word of the day calendar?

[ptif219]

as opposed to shutting the government to throw a temper tantrum like the wingers?

okay. lmao

Problem is parks did not shut down during Clinton shutdown more of Obama tring to hurt the country for his political gain

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/



Although President Obamahttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#) claims that he can’t avoid shutting down public sites and monuments, war memorials were in fact kept open during the 1995/1996 government shutdowns. The administration’s decision to barricade the Lincoln Memorial marks the first time in its history the memorial has been totally off limits to visitors during a shutdown.
The administration has also balked at efforts by non-governmental groups to maintain access to public sites. (Related: RNC offers to pay to keep WWII memorial open (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/rnc-offers-to-pay-to-keep-wwii-memorial-open/))
But during the Clinton-era shutdown, World War II veterans kept the Pearl Harbor memorial open.
“Despite the federal governmenthttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#) shutdown and an unrepaired sign that reads ‘Arizona Memorial closed,’ tourists are still getting expert commentary about the World War II memorial at Pearl Harbor,” wrote the Associated Press on January 1, 1996 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vuVPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mgcEAAAAIBAJ&dq=government%20shutdown%20memorial&pg=6842%2C45386).
“It’s our way of helpinghttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#) to preserve the history of this place,” Bob Kinzler, president of the Aloha Chapter of the Pearl Harbor Survivors, told the AP.
Barricades went up in national parks across Washington, D.C. Wednesday, including the Lincoln Memorial. This, too, was unprecedented.
http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/d08f801fba2a4d6b9bb5225af6e24bdf-e1380746231920.jpg (http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/d08f801fba2a4d6b9bb5225af6e24bdf-e1380746231920.jpg)
A photo (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BUIlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=M64FAAAAIBAJ&dq=shut%20down%20lincoln%20memorial&pg=2588%2C3500944) of the Lincoln Memorial during the governmenthttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#) shutdown of 1995 shows the info booth closed but tourists still had access to the grounds.
http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lincolnmemorialshutdown1995.jpg (http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lincolnmemorialshutdown1995.jpg)
It is not clear how much taxpayer money the Obamahttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#) administration is paying to ensure that government sites and services remain shuttered to taxpayers. Popular Washington spots such as the World War II memorial are now guarded by more security personnel than they are during normal operations, while federal employees have been dispatched to put up barricades on capital bike paths and other public grounds that are not usually patrolled at all.
Obama’s team has also been caught deliberately punishing World War II veterans trying to visit their own memorial, with one administration official telling a veteran’s supporter, “It’s a government shutdown, what do you expect?” (Related: Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/obama-admin-knew-about-wwii-veterans-request-and-rejected-it/))

[Codename Section]

as opposed to shutting the government to throw a temper tantrum like the wingers?

okay. lmao

How did they shut down the government again?

1. They sent two bills to the Senate this week.
2. The Democrat controlled Senate refused to approve them this week.

Only in the weirdest Democratic lens can this be right wingers shutting down government. I'm so sick of hearing how it's them throwing tantrums when Obamacare passed without a single "yes" from Republicans and not a single "but that's not fair" from Democrats like yourself.

In 2008 you guys--not unlike Bush in 2004--felt you had a mandate to do whatever you wanted, and then when the House changed hands suddenly people need to play fair.

You'd have to be completely partisan to not see how this is an amazing amount of hypocrisy and double standards coming from the Democrat camp.

THIS bullshit, this partisan bullshit is exactly why I refuse to vote for one of the two parties ever again. It's like listening to a couple going through a divorce.

No, it's YOUR fault. You need to let me have my way!

No, it's YOUR fault because you signed those papers without my permission.

It is exactly why people my age and younger are so turned off by you guys.The worst part is that none of you even see it or refuse to acknowledge it. You're so hell bent on blaming the other team.

[jillian]

How did they shut down the government again?

1. They sent two bills to the Senate this week.
2. The Democrat controlled Senate refused to approve them this week.

Only in the weirdest Democratic lens can this be right wingers shutting down government. I'm so sick of hearing how it's them throwing tantrums when Obamacare passed without a single "yes" from Republicans and not a single "but that's not fair" from Democrats like yourself.

In 2008 you guys--not unlike Bush in 2004--felt you had a mandate to do whatever you wanted, and then when the House changed hands suddenly people need to play fair.

You'd have to be completely partisan to not see how this is an amazing amount of hypocrisy and double standards coming from the Democrat camp.

THIS bullshit, this partisan bullshit is exactly why I refuse to vote for one of the two parties ever again. It's like listening to a couple going through a divorce.

No, it's YOUR fault. You need to let me have my way!

No, it's YOUR fault because you signed those papers without my permission.

It is exactly why people my age and younger are so turned off by you guys.The worst part is that none of you even see it or refuse to acknowledge it. You're so hell bent on blaming the other team.

you still going with all that? again, you can't pick something that you can't have and say you "sent a bill".

what you send has to be in good faith.

but you know that.

[Codename Section]

you still going with all that? again, you can't pick something that you can't have and say you "sent a bill".

what you send has to be in good faith.

but you know that.

Why can't they have it?

Explain that. Everything but Obamacare was funded because the people who elected the people in the House empowered them to try and halt it.

Kinda like how DOMA was a law and DADT was a law that people wanted repealed. When the people talk, when they tell their elected representatives "we don't want this anymore" they have to respond.

Only the most severe of partisans would say: screw what the people that elected you want, we think this is what we should do.

That's not how a republican system of government works.

[Codename Section]

I have to sleep, it's late here. Later Jill.

[jillian]

I have to sleep, it's late here. Later Jill.

sorry kiddo... got busy with other things.

[jillian]

Why can't they have it?

Explain that. Everything but Obamacare was funded because the people who elected the people in the House empowered them to try and halt it.

Kinda like how DOMA was a law and DADT was a law that people wanted repealed. When the people talk, when they tell their elected representatives "we don't want this anymore" they have to respond.

Only the most severe of partisans would say: screw what the people that elected you want, we think this is what we should do.

That's not how a republican system of government works.
Codename Section they can't have it because they voted to get rid of it 42 times and lost. They can't have it because it passed the House, the Senate and was signed by the president. They can't have it because it was upheld by the Supreme Court despite the ranting and raving. Mostly, they know they can't have it politically and given that politics is about seeking reasonable results, they know that... and they knew it going in.

so why ask for something you know you won't get and back yourself into a corner with no exit strategy?

bad calculation.

sleep well, hon.

and "the people" voted against the guy who swore he'd "repeal and replace"... and for this guy. that's what happens.

i didn't vote for bush and was stuck with everything he did.

[ptif219]

sorry kiddo... got busy with other things.

Funny how I show Obama is being hurtful and you ignore it. Memorials do not get shutdown except for Obama

[oceanloverOH]

I just received this e-mail with my monthly notification of deposited military retirement pay:

Retirees and Annuitants,

You will continue to receive your pay on time during this government shutdown.

Military retirees and annuitants are not paid from Continuing Resolution Act (CRA) appropriations. Therefore, your payments are not affected by this shutdown.

For more information, please visit
http://www.dfas.mil/pressroom/govtshutdown.html

Government Shutdown: Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.dfas.mil/pressroom/govtshutdown/crafaq

[jillian]

I just received this e-mail with my monthly notification of deposited military retirement pay:

Retirees and Annuitants,

You will continue to receive your pay on time during this government shutdown.

Military retirees and annuitants are not paid from Continuing Resolution Act (CRA) appropriations. Therefore, your payments are not affected by this shutdown.

For more information, please visit
http://www.dfas.mil/pressroom/govtshutdown.html

Government Shutdown: Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.dfas.mil/pressroom/govtshutdown/crafaq

i was told by someone who works for the feds that they are essential personnel so won't be furloughed, but that the people who process their pay are furloughed so they won't be getting their pay until after the government is re-opened (although they will be paid). do you know anything about that oceanloverOH?

[zelmo1234]

you still going with all that? again, you can't pick something that you can't have and say you "sent a bill".

what you send has to be in good faith.

but you know that.

Jillian

The last bill ended the Medical Device tax, which both sides agree on, so that is something that will get done regardless. and it gave everyone a one year waiver.

Obama has already handed out hundreds of waivers. Unions, the Federal government workers, all Business large and small. just to name a few.

The people are being forced to buy Insurance, and part of the plan was to force business to provide it for them. He let business off the hook and is dumping it all on the people.

The last bill funds Obamacare, so anyone that wants to buy the insurance can do so.

This is a fairly reasonable bill don't you think?

Do you think it is fair that people are forced to purchase insurance and the companies that they work for, the ones that were supposed to provide it for them, get a pass with no fins too?

Now the Democrats refuse to talk about anything, and this week Dingy Harry, has already stated that he does not feel the need for a federal budget.

So they want to talk after they get everything that they want, with no strings attached, and yet they refuse to talk about any changes now?

And the republicans are to believe that these wonderful Democrats that could not find one single spending cut before the sequester? are some how going to come to the table in good faith.

So tell be do you really think that the democrats are telling the truth this time and if so why?

[zelmo1234]

@Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866) they can't have it because they voted to get rid of it 42 times and lost. They can't have it because it passed the House, the Senate and was signed by the president. They can't have it because it was upheld by the Supreme Court despite the ranting and raving. Mostly, they know they can't have it politically and given that politics is about seeking reasonable results, they know that... and they knew it going in.

so why ask for something you know you won't get and back yourself into a corner with no exit strategy?

bad calculation.

sleep well, hon.

and "the people" voted against the guy who swore he'd "repeal and replace"... and for this guy. that's what happens.

i didn't vote for bush and was stuck with everything he did.

Do you think that it is fair that the President has allowed thousands of groups and people to get a pass on his Obamacare Bill?

And do you think that it is legal for the President to pick and choose which parts of the laws that were passed by congress and signed into law by him?

http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/01/who-gets-an-exemption-from-obamacare this is just a few

[Mainecoons]

You see Zelmo, you've put your finger on exactly what should be in the continuing resolution. Not defunding of ObamaCare. I detest Barack Obama but you really can't expect him to back down and let the Republicans use the continuing resolution to repeal his signature disaster. And provide the money to do so.

No, they should pass a continuing resolution stipulating that all waivers are null and void and all parts of the legislation must be implemented as passed by the Congress and signed by Mr. Obama.

Wouldn't it fun to watch the Democrats dance then?

[Peter1469]

i was told by someone who works for the feds that they are essential personnel so won't be furloughed, but that the people who process their pay are furloughed so they won't be getting their pay until after the government is re-opened (although they will be paid). do you know anything about that @oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)?

Essential employees will only get paid after Congress appropriates the money. The non-essential employees will likely get paid for doing nothing- which I hope does not happen.

[Peter1469]

I just received this e-mail with my monthly notification of deposited military retirement pay:

Retirees and Annuitants,

You will continue to receive your pay on time during this government shutdown.

Military retirees and annuitants are not paid from Continuing Resolution Act (CRA) appropriations. Therefore, your payments are not affected by this shutdown.

For more information, please visit
http://www.dfas.mil/pressroom/govtshutdown.html

Government Shutdown: Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.dfas.mil/pressroom/govtshutdown/crafaq

Just checked- my VA disability came in on time.

[ptif219]

i was told by someone who works for the feds that they are essential personnel so won't be furloughed, but that the people who process their pay are furloughed so they won't be getting their pay until after the government is re-opened (although they will be paid). do you know anything about that @oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)?

The president is doing things that show how he hates the military. These things were not done under Clinton Shutdomn. just shows how hateful and vengeful this president is

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wired-shut-barricade-wwii-memorial-reinforced_759193.html

http://washingtonexaminer.com/military-keeps-camp-david-open-halts-nfl-baseball-coverage-to-troops-overseas/article/2536819

[Ravi]

Problem is parks did not shut down during Clinton shutdown more of Obama tring to hurt the country for his political gain

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/
Check this out, it clearly shows the memorial closed.

Read the caption.

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2013/10/02/photos-history-repeating-the-1995-government-shutdown/#6

Then explain why you think people should work for free?

[Peter1469]

Check this out, it clearly shows the memorial closed.

Read the caption.

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2013/10/02/photos-history-repeating-the-1995-government-shutdown/#6

Then explain why you think people should work for free?


That is the Lincoln Memorial - which has staff and a gift shop. Restrooms too. The WWII memorial has nothing; no staff, no gift shop.... The only government money spent there, recently, was to put barricades around it. It is really silly....

[Mainecoons]

Tell us, Ravi, how they managed to have a government shutdown previously without closing these monuments.

Take your time, you'll need it to spin your way out of this BS.

Or you could be honest and just admit this is a particularly sleazy tactic of Mr. Obama to bring pressure by hurting the folks.

[ptif219]

Check this out, it clearly shows the memorial closed.

Read the caption.

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2013/10/02/photos-history-repeating-the-1995-government-shutdown/#6

Then explain why you think people should work for free?

It is not necessary and you know it. Problem is Obama is going beyond what Clinton did and this the sequester all over again doing things just to be hateful

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/


The Park Service (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/park-service/) appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mount-vernon/), where the plantation home of George Washington (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/george-washington/) is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/memorial/) on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mount-vernon/); it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mount-vernon-ladies-association/). The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mount-vernon/) ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they’re only here to help.
“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/park-service/) ranger in Washington (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/george-washington/) says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
The Republicans, fighting with smaller-bore weaponry, keep trying to get some things reopened with carefully targeted legislation. The Senate (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/senate/), under the thumbs of Sen. Harry Reid (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/harry-reid/) and the White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/), refuses to budge from the trivial and the petty. It says here that Harry Reid (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/harry-reid/)’s critics, and they are legion, should give the guy a break. No man in Washington (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/george-washington/) is under the pressure he is, and it doesn’t seem quite cricket to do that to an old man, even one who deserves it.

[oceanloverOH]

Essential employees will only get paid after Congress appropriates the money. The non-essential employees will likely get paid for doing nothing- which I hope does not happen.

Ravi, as Peter said, and as stated in the links I posted in #14 above....nobody (except retirees cuz that $$$ comes from a different coffer) will be paid for work performed after Sep 30th, until a new appropriation is signed into law. Everybody will be paid, it will just be retroactive.

[Ravi]

@Ravi (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=698), as Peter said, and as stated in the links I posted in #14 above....nobody (except retirees cuz that $$$ comes from a different coffer) will be paid for work performed after Sep 30th, until a new appropriation is signed into law. Everybody will be paid, it will just be retroactive.IIRC, the last time we had a shutdown Congress voted to give retroactive pay. And, IMO, they should as these people are being shafted through no fault of their own.

[zelmo1234]

IIRC, the last time we had a shutdown Congress voted to give retroactive pay. And, IMO, they should as these people are being shafted through no fault of their own.

NO they should not get paid for doing nothing. If someone gets laid off from their job, through no fault of their own, the company does not have to pay them.

Now it should be treated like a lay-off and they should be able to fine for unemployment.

You have democrats wanting to have this discussion around the budget, and then out of the other side of their mouth saying that they have no intention of passing a budget, They want a dictatorship, and that is not what they get.

I say keep it shut down and start telling everyone that the credit limit is not going to get raised either unless Obama and friends decide to talk and work this out.

I don't think that I have ever see such a pompous ass as Dingy Harry Reid

[roadmaster]

That is the Lincoln Memorial - which has staff and a gift shop. Restrooms too. The WWII memorial has nothing; no staff, no gift shop.... The only government money spent there, recently, was to put barricades around it. It is really silly.... Exactly.

[Ravi]

NO they should not get paid for doing nothing. If someone gets laid off from their job, through no fault of their own, the company does not have to pay them.

Now it should be treated like a lay-off and they should be able to fine for unemployment.

You have democrats wanting to have this discussion around the budget, and then out of the other side of their mouth saying that they have no intention of passing a budget, They want a dictatorship, and that is not what they get.

I say keep it shut down and start telling everyone that the credit limit is not going to get raised either unless Obama and friends decide to talk and work this out.

I don't think that I have ever see such a pompous ass as Dingy Harry Reid
They can file for unemployment, though they will have to pay it back if Congress gives them retroactive pay. Point is, Zelmo, you are responsible for them being furloughed

[jillian]

They can file for unemployment, though they will have to pay it back if Congress gives them retroactive pay. Point is, Zelmo, you are responsible for them being furloughed

he doesn't care.... damn slackers should be out starting businesses.....

[jillian]

The president is doing things that show how he hates the military. These things were not done under Clinton Shutdomn. just shows how hateful and vengeful this president is

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wired-shut-barricade-wwii-memorial-reinforced_759193.html

http://washingtonexaminer.com/military-keeps-camp-david-open-halts-nfl-baseball-coverage-to-troops-overseas/article/2536819

you don't think the tantrum throwers get to pick and choose, do you?

[ptif219]

IIRC, the last time we had a shutdown Congress voted to give retroactive pay. And, IMO, they should as these people are being shafted through no fault of their own.

So your telling me that have not signed up for unemployment?

[ptif219]

you don't think the tantrum throwers get to pick and choose, do you?

So only Obama should get to cherry pick? The GOP has passed bills to fund this stuff. it is Reid rejecting it and Obama threatening to veto it. This shows you the democrats do not want a solution and want to hurt the people

[Agravan]

So only Obama should get to cherry pick? The GOP has passed bills to fund this stuff. it is Reid rejecting it and Obama threatening to veto it. This shows you the democrats do not want a solution and want to hurt the people
Being the partisan hack that she is, jillian does not see the Democrats as being able to do any wrong.