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Chris
10-07-2013, 01:06 PM
George Will: "Liberals Don't Want Diversity In Thought, And That's What The Republicans Now Have" (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/06/george_will_liberals_dont_want_diversity_in_though t_and_thats_what_the_republicans_now_have.html)


But at the split in the Republican Party, I mean what else is new? They split in 1912 between Taft, President Taft and Teddy Roosevelt, they split in '64 between the Goldwater rights and the Rockefellers. It's a big country, and the Republicans now have what liberals are supposed to admire, which is diversity, except liberals don't want diversity in thought, and that's what the Republicans now have and it makes them rather interesting.

Nail, head.

Ravi
10-07-2013, 01:19 PM
heh, if you want to call Republicans calling each other names diversity have at it.

Captain Obvious
10-07-2013, 01:52 PM
Sure liberals want diversity - as long as it's their kind of diversity they're all for it.

Cigar
10-07-2013, 01:57 PM
Politically ... I've been consistent about one thing: I hope The Republicans keep doing what they have been doing, it works out great for me personally.

Chris
10-07-2013, 01:58 PM
heh, if you want to call Republicans calling each other names diversity have at it.

I reread the OP and it says nothing like that. It speaks of diversity of opinion. Did you post in wrong thread?

Ravi
10-07-2013, 02:00 PM
No. You haven't been paying attention to the epic battle between the teapees and their republican hosts?

patrickt
10-07-2013, 02:03 PM
No, Chris, you haven't been paying attention to Ravi. With liberals diversity is like everything else and it's do as we say not as we do.

nic34
10-07-2013, 02:08 PM
Should I counter with a Rachel Maddow piece....? :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Libhater
10-07-2013, 02:40 PM
George Will: "Liberals Don't Want Diversity In Thought, And That's What The Republicans Now Have" (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/06/george_will_liberals_dont_want_diversity_in_though t_and_thats_what_the_republicans_now_have.html)



Nail, head.

Let me also pound that nail on the head. Great points.

Alyosha
10-07-2013, 02:57 PM
No. You haven't been paying attention to the epic battle between the teapees and their republican hosts?

Well, at least the teapees have some true liberals within it, the Democraps threw away the philosophy of liberalism in favor of apartheid-style sophistry and allegiance to authoritarian statism.

Chris
10-07-2013, 02:58 PM
No. You haven't been paying attention to the epic battle between the teapees and their republican hosts?


Such is diversity of thought.

You seem to be the one who delights in niggling name calling.

Chris
10-07-2013, 02:59 PM
Should I counter with a Rachel Maddow piece....? :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Please do. Long as she thinks, the diversity is welcome.

Ravi
10-07-2013, 03:00 PM
Such is diversity of thought.

You seem to be the one who delights in niggling name calling.So you agree that Republicans name calling each other is diversification. Like I said, have at it.

Alyosha
10-07-2013, 03:04 PM
So you agree that Republicans name calling each other is diversification. Like I said, have at it.

It is, actually. It is the struggle for independent thought, it is differentiation, questioning of authority, direct dissent from values...it is the essence of diversification.

Chris
10-07-2013, 03:09 PM
So you agree that Republicans name calling each other is diversification. Like I said, have at it.

What is it about you that you need to twist everything others say into some fallacious loaded question? You're very transparent.

Alyosha
10-07-2013, 03:17 PM
What is it about you that you need to twist everything others say into some fallacious loaded question? You're very transparent.

It's either an inability or it is contempt. If it is the former, then she is not worth your time, if it is the latter, she's not worth anyone's time.

Green Arrow
10-07-2013, 04:12 PM
I would argue that it is partisans who don't want diversity of thought. Republican/conservative partisans refuse to accept that anyone to the left of them could possibly NOT be part of some gigantic Marxist hive mind. Democrat/liberal partisans believe even people to the left of THEM are not really leftist if they don't swallow everything the Democrats stand for.

Partisanship is a cancer, eating away at the soul of our nation. We need to excise it before we become terminal.

Alyosha
10-07-2013, 04:13 PM
I would argue that it is partisans who don't want diversity of thought. Republican/conservative partisans refuse to accept that anyone to the left of them could possibly NOT be part of some gigantic Marxist hive mind. Democrat/liberal partisans believe even people to the left of THEM are not really leftist if they don't swallow everything the Democrats stand for.

Partisanship is a cancer, eating away at the soul of our nation. We need to excise it before we become terminal.


And for this the fine Democrats will label you a "Teabagger". That is as far as they seem to go in rhetoric.

Green Arrow
10-07-2013, 04:19 PM
And for this the fine Democrats will label you a "Teabagger". That is as far as they seem to go in rhetoric.

And I'll give them the kindest "bite me" I can muster :) jillian already said I can't be a leftist and like Ted Cruz, officially cementing the fact that judging people by the "content of their character" probably died with MLK.

Chris
10-07-2013, 04:21 PM
I would argue that it is partisans who don't want diversity of thought. Republican/conservative partisans refuse to accept that anyone to the left of them could possibly NOT be part of some gigantic Marxist hive mind. Democrat/liberal partisans believe even people to the left of THEM are not really leftist if they don't swallow everything the Democrats stand for.

Partisanship is a cancer, eating away at the soul of our nation. We need to excise it before we become terminal.



Agree but wouldn't automatically conjoin Rep and Con, Dem and Lib, though sometimes they're joined at the hip.

Peter1469
10-07-2013, 04:22 PM
I would argue that it is partisans who don't want diversity of thought. Republican/conservative partisans refuse to accept that anyone to the left of them could possibly NOT be part of some gigantic Marxist hive mind. Democrat/liberal partisans believe even people to the left of THEM are not really leftist if they don't swallow everything the Democrats stand for.

Partisanship is a cancer, eating away at the soul of our nation. We need to excise it before we become terminal.

But how to control it? The US is split between people who want liberty and freedom, and those who think cradle to grave government programs are needed.

I think the statists will crash the economy, and we will get back to liberty and freedom by default.

Green Arrow
10-07-2013, 04:32 PM
Agree but wouldn't automatically conjoin Rep and Con, Dem and Lib, though sometimes they're joined at the hip.

I only joined them to address the partisans in all four factions.

Green Arrow
10-07-2013, 04:32 PM
But how to control it? The US is split between people who want liberty and freedom, and those who think cradle to grave government programs are needed.

I think the statists will crash the economy, and we will get back to liberty and freedom by default.

Until then, I intend to show people that my way is better than that of the statists.

Cthulhu
10-07-2013, 04:38 PM
And for this the fine Democrats will label you a "Teabagger". That is as far as they seem to go in rhetoric.

I never understood that. Why call your opponent the "Teabagger" when by definition that makes his opposition the "Teabaggee" or the recipient in the exchange?

Like many examples of the democrats, this one is shortsighted, but slightly amusing.

jillian
10-07-2013, 04:39 PM
But how to control it? The US is split between people who want liberty and freedom, and those who think cradle to grave government programs are needed.

I think the statists will crash the economy, and we will get back to liberty and freedom by default.

no. it's split between people who *claim* to want liberty and freedom but who actually hate government (or at least the big, bad federal government that tells them they can't discriminate and have jim crow laws and that they have to pay for their own health insurance) but are peachy keen with state governments victimizing women who want to exercise their right to reproductive choice. (this is of course not true of everyone on the right, there are those who think government should stay out of our bodies).

then, of course, you have the people who love freedom so much that they vote against their own financial interest supporting corporatist trickle down economics which has been a failure for three decades.

finally, you have your bomb bomb bomb iran neo-con extremist types who think we should be in perpetual war in the middle east (but never go fight themselves, of course).

then you have people on the center left who think you should have a combination of capitalist and socialist principles governing us because a solidly middle class society is a healthy society that is good for everyone.

then you have people on the far left who hate government as much as people on the far right....who also want no intervention in outside affairs because the world is going to sing kumbaya and terrorists won't blow us up if we're nice to them

unfortunately, the o/p can't tell the difference between a socialist, a communist, a progressive, a liberal and a democrat or the venn diagram which makes up some of those groups.

Peter1469
10-07-2013, 04:57 PM
no. it's split between people who *claim* to want liberty and freedom but who actually hate government (or at least the big, bad federal government that tells them they can't discriminate and have jim crow laws and that they have to pay for their own health insurance) but are peachy keen with state governments victimizing women who want to exercise their right to reproductive choice. (this is of course not true of everyone on the right, there are those who think government should stay out of our bodies).

then, of course, you have the people who love freedom so much that they vote against their own financial interest supporting corporatist trickle down economics which has been a failure for three decades.

finally, you have your bomb bomb bomb iran neo-con extremist types who think we should be in perpetual war in the middle east (but never go fight themselves, of course).

then you have people on the center left who think you should have a combination of capitalist and socialist principles governing us because a solidly middle class society is a healthy society that is good for everyone.

then you have people on the far left who hate government as much as people on the far right....who also want no intervention in outside affairs because the world is going to sing kumbaya and terrorists won't blow us up if we're nice to them

unfortunately, the o/p can't tell the difference between a socialist, a communist, a progressive, a liberal and a democrat or the venn diagram which makes up some of those groups.

As you know we disagree on these issues. Asking for our federalism, with the federal government staying in its lane, is not hating government. The states and local governments should take care of most issues. That is government- just closer to the people than the federal government.

jillian
10-07-2013, 05:02 PM
As you know we disagree on these issues. Asking for our federalism, with the federal government staying in its lane, is not hating government. The states and local governments should take care of most issues. That is government- just closer to the people than the federal government.

we do, but claiming that "conservatives" are any more one type of person than democrats are was my primary observation.

and i know what people say... but then the right asks for personhood laws....

you can't claim you're pro freedom if you're pro personhood laws

to me the idea of freedom espoused by many on the right is nothing more than children screaming that they don't want to wear a seatbelt while telling me i can't get birth control through my isnsurance company if my employer is a religious extremist.

Mainecoons
10-07-2013, 05:08 PM
No problem, get another insurance company.

Why would you need insurance for this anyway? The pill is dirt cheap. They are cheaper than the deductible of most policies.

Why does this argument of yours smell like a strawman? Why must you force your ideology on others? Do you understand that there are many, many people who do not want their tax dollars spent for these purposes?

The government needs to stay out of our personal affairs and sex and reproduction definitely falls into that category.

I would think that a Jew would understand the implications of government in these matters. Especially since so many liberals are closet eugenicists who use birth control and abortion to reduce the numbers of minorities.

Did you learn nothing from the Nazis, dear?

Peter1469
10-07-2013, 05:45 PM
we do, but claiming that "conservatives" are any more one type of person than democrats are was my primary observation.

and i know what people say... but then the right asks for personhood laws....

you can't claim you're pro freedom if you're

to me the idea of freedom espoused by many on the right is nothing more than children screaming that they don't want to wear a seatbelt while telling me i can't get birth control through my isnsurance company if my employer is a religious extremist.

Since the US is a two party political system both parties contain what would otherwise be several different parties. Sort of like semi- permanent parliamentary systems.

jillian
10-07-2013, 05:49 PM
No problem, get another insurance company.

Why would you need insurance for this anyway? The pill is dirt cheap. They are cheaper than the deductible of most policies.

Why does this argument of yours smell like a strawman? Why must you force your ideology on others? Do you understand that there are many, many people who do not want their tax dollars spent for these purposes?

The government needs to stay out of our personal affairs and sex and reproduction definitely falls into that category.

I would think that a Jew would understand the implications of government in these matters. Especially since so many liberals are closet eugenicists who use birth control and abortion to reduce the numbers of minorities.

Did you learn nothing from the Nazis, dear?

why would i get another insurance company when i have insurance through my employer?

why should i have to justify to my employer why i need the pills??

at least one brand is $60 a month. that is $720 year for the incapable of adding

i guess it's cheaper in mexico where you don't need a real pharmacy...not that you'd know the cost anyway.

Chris
10-07-2013, 05:51 PM
no. it's split between people who *claim* to want liberty and freedom but who actually hate government (or at least the big, bad federal government that tells them they can't discriminate and have jim crow laws and that they have to pay for their own health insurance) but are peachy keen with state governments victimizing women who want to exercise their right to reproductive choice. (this is of course not true of everyone on the right, there are those who think government should stay out of our bodies).

then, of course, you have the people who love freedom so much that they vote against their own financial interest supporting corporatist trickle down economics which has been a failure for three decades.

finally, you have your bomb bomb bomb iran neo-con extremist types who think we should be in perpetual war in the middle east (but never go fight themselves, of course).

then you have people on the center left who think you should have a combination of capitalist and socialist principles governing us because a solidly middle class society is a healthy society that is good for everyone.

then you have people on the far left who hate government as much as people on the far right....who also want no intervention in outside affairs because the world is going to sing kumbaya and terrorists won't blow us up if we're nice to them

unfortunately, the o/p can't tell the difference between a socialist, a communist, a progressive, a liberal and a democrat or the venn diagram which makes up some of those groups.



Unfortunately, your opinions are so distorted by your emotionalism and ego-centric view based on straw men and no true Scots men and fanciful and fallacious facts that they make not make a bit of sense.

Chris
10-07-2013, 05:54 PM
we do, but claiming that "conservatives" are any more one type of person than democrats are was my primary observation.

and i know what people say... but then the right asks for personhood laws....

you can't claim you're pro freedom if you're pro personhood laws

to me the idea of freedom espoused by many on the right is nothing more than children screaming that they don't want to wear a seatbelt while telling me i can't get birth control through my isnsurance company if my employer is a religious extremist.



Nobody claimed any of the things you're imagining. I doubt many buy the bait your peddling any more.

Mister D
10-07-2013, 06:10 PM
The powers that be despise substantial diversity. Don't be fooled. Homogenization is the order of the day. The superficial diversity of race they champion masks their true intent which is to turn us all into mindless consumers. Big Macs and Reality TV...

Codename Section
10-07-2013, 06:17 PM
no. it's split between people who *claim* to want liberty and freedom but who actually hate government (or at least the big, bad federal government that tells them they can't discriminate and have jim crow laws and that they have to pay for their own health insurance) but are peachy keen with state governments victimizing women who want to exercise their right to reproductive choice. (this is of course not true of everyone on the right, there are those who think government should stay out of our bodies).

It's 2013. No one wants Jim Crow to come back. Get with the right decade. Kanye West is living with a white woman, Jay-Z and Oprah are two of the richest Americans, and you have a half-black half-white president.

It's just slanderous, actually to say that people want that. No one in my generation gives a shit. This Mississippi boy lives in a house with a black guy from New York and we're such good buddies that he's the VP of my company.




then, of course, you have the people who love freedom so much that they vote against their own financial interest supporting corporatist trickle down economics which has been a failure for three decades.


No, we want the government to quit subsidizing corporations through regulation and let the little guys have a chance to step up to the plate.



finally, you have your bomb bomb bomb iran neo-con extremist types who think we should be in perpetual war in the middle east (but never go fight themselves, of course).


Far too many of them on both sides of the aisle.



then you have people on the center left who think you should have a combination of capitalist and socialist principles governing us because a solidly middle class society is a healthy society that is good for everyone.


The middle class is smaller than ever thanks to the way the government has shielded their buddies from harm at our expense and the federal reserve floats checks, essentially, for fuckers like Goldman.

The middle class wouldn't need government help if government hadn't allowed corruption to infest and help them lose the value of their dollar.



then you have people on the far left who hate government as much as people on the far right....who also want no intervention in outside affairs because the world is going to sing kumbaya and terrorists won't blow us up if we're nice to them


No, they understand that we cause wars so we can fight in them.



unfortunately, the o/p can't tell the difference between a socialist, a communist, a progressive, a liberal and a democrat or the venn diagram which makes up some of those groups.

Because the old labels don't apply.

Dr. Who
10-07-2013, 06:28 PM
The powers that be despise substantial diversity. Don't be fooled. Homogenization is the order of the day. The superficial diversity of race they champion masks their true intent which is to turn us all into mindless consumers. Big Macs and Reality TV...

I agree with your point about consumerism. The powers that be could care less about anything but the bottom line. Brainwashing people to buy into every trend is the order of the day. The population has become convinced that if you don't have whatever newest bit of technology, game, fashion trend, interior décor, car, exotic vacation etc, you are a loser. People have become progressively less able to save money, because they are such willing consumers. But it's really monkey see monkey do, because the government can't save any money either. They too have become persuaded to spend what they don't have at the behest of the same puppet masters.

Mister D
10-07-2013, 06:44 PM
I agree with your point about consumerism. The powers that be could care less about anything but the bottom line. Brainwashing people to buy into every trend is the order of the day. The population has become convinced that if you don't have whatever newest bit of technology, game, fashion trend, interior décor, car, exotic vacation etc, you are a loser. People have become progressively less able to save money, because they are such willing consumers. But it's really monkey see monkey do, because the government can't save any money either. They too have become persuaded to spend what they don't have at the behest of the same puppet masters.

Yes, they manufacture our desires. One problem with our technological way of life is that it constantly produces new "needs".

Dr. Who
10-07-2013, 07:00 PM
Yes, they manufacture our desires. One problem with our technological way of life is that it constantly produces new "needs".

Coming from a much less technological time, I have the advantage of perspective. Don't get me wrong, I love technology, but I don't need it. I use technology to make my life easier, I am not a slave to it. Texting is useful in its place, but I cannot comprehend the concept of having all day long texts with your favorite people. The need to share every little inane aspect of one's life with one's friends and associates makes me worry about the ability of the species to maintain sufficient ability to understand what is important and what is not, to maintain its viability. The creeping shallowness of society is very worrisome.