Republican party continues to crack

[Ravi]

Gov. Jan Brewer said Wednesday that she does not want U.S. House Republicans to succeed in their bid to shut down the Affordable Care Act, saying it would “devastate” the state budget.

Brewer said she has never been a fan of “Obamacare.’’ And she pointed out she was among several governors who sued — unsuccessfully — to have it declared unconstitutional.
But the governor said once it was clear the law would take effect, she sought ways to have Arizona take advantage of a key provision rewarding states that expand their Medicaid programs. In this state, that is the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System, which she described as the “gold standard” of Medicaid programs.


http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/brewer-says-killing-obamacare-now-could-cripple-the-state-budget/article_0abc3df6-135e-588c-b66d-b86f592c2820.html

[Chris]

This is same old same old of establishment Reps arguing with tea party reps.

[Cigar]

We're witnessing the Republican Party turning into Fossil Fuel :laugh:

[Ravi]

I wonder if Floriduh gov Scott will start whining next. He's already started campaigning for re-election and he's probably the most hated governor of all time. :)

[Cigar]

From Shutdown To Meltdown
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131010-from-shutdown-to-meltdown-day-10-headlines.jpg

GOP Unity Frays, Frustration Builds (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014615892)

Gallup: Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low (28%) (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023816485)

John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014616236)

Tea Party Group Withdraws Endorsement Of Mitch McConnell (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014616232)

Erick Erickson Predicts 'Real Third Party Movement' To Divide GOP (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251329854)

Ted Cruz argues GOP is winning the shutdown fight (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/09/ted_cruz_argues_gop_is_winning_the_shutdown_fight/)


2014 can't get here any faster :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Cigar]

The GOP is just following orders.


Their overlords have decided that the default would be too dangerous and that being flexible would allow them to attack Obamacare a little longer. Hence, Boehner will obey.

Last week, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) bluntly refused to bring up any debt ceiling vote in the House without demanding Democratic concessions first, telling ABC’s This Week, “We are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase.”

By Wednesday, conservative powerhouses Heritage Foundation and Koch Industries made room for a new plan when both urged Republicans to approve a debt ceiling increase with no strings attached. In a striking change in tone, House GOP leadership have presented a clean six-week debt ceiling extension that does not include a plan to fund the government.

At a press conference Thursday, House GOP leadership announced the new strategy, one day after Heritage Action CEO Michael Needham admitted the group will “give the speaker some flex on a short-term debt limit increase,” in order to extend the shutdown over Obamacare. On Wednesday, Koch officials increased the pressure with a letter for inquiring members who “have asked what our position is on this issue” that claims the conservative billionaires never supported withholding government funds over Obamacare. Privately, Koch officials told Congress a U.S. default would be a disaster.

Both groups have been driving forces throughout the debt and shutdown crises and are responsible for putting Tea Party members in Congress in the first place. Even now, it’s not clear if the Tea Party that Heritage and Koch helped to create will accept a deal on these terms, since debt ceiling truthers refuse to recognize that default is an economic threat.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/10/2762451/boehner-adopts-heritage-koch-plan/



Obama: No deal. Open the government and lift the debt limit, then we can talk
The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown_n_4076802.html#388_white-house-rejects-gop-idea-to-keep-government-closed-through-november

[Mainecoons]

This is the same Californicated state that dropped 2 billion on a truly stupid energy efficient car subsidy program.

And then had to close their roadside rest stations on their decaying interstate highways when they ran out of money.

A Republicrat governor in a Republicrat state.

Yawn.

[hanger4]

The GOP is just following orders.


Their overlords have decided that the default would be too dangerous and that being flexible would allow them to attack Obamacare a little longer. Hence, Boehner will obey.

Last week, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) bluntly refused to bring up any debt ceiling vote in the House without demanding Democratic concessions first, telling ABC’s This Week, “We are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase.”

By Wednesday, conservative powerhouses Heritage Foundation and Koch Industries made room for a new plan when both urged Republicans to approve a debt ceiling increase with no strings attached. In a striking change in tone, House GOP leadership have presented a clean six-week debt ceiling extension that does not include a plan to fund the government.

At a press conference Thursday, House GOP leadership announced the new strategy, one day after Heritage Action CEO Michael Needham admitted the group will “give the speaker some flex on a short-term debt limit increase,” in order to extend the shutdown over Obamacare. On Wednesday, Koch officials increased the pressure with a letter for inquiring members who “have asked what our position is on this issue” that claims the conservative billionaires never supported withholding government funds over Obamacare. Privately, Koch officials told Congress a U.S. default would be a disaster.

Both groups have been driving forces throughout the debt and shutdown crises and are responsible for putting Tea Party members in Congress in the first place. Even now, it’s not clear if the Tea Party that Heritage and Koch helped to create will accept a deal on these terms, since debt ceiling truthers refuse to recognize that default is an economic threat.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/10/2762451/boehner-adopts-heritage-koch-plan/



Obama: No deal. Open the government and lift the debt limit, then we can talk


The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown_n_4076802.html#388_white-house-rejects-gop-idea-to-keep-government-closed-through-november

What default ??

A default would only happen if the US refused to service the debt.

There is more than enough revenue to do this.

[Cigar]

What default ??

A default would only happen if the US refused to service the debt.

There is more than enough revenue to do this.



I say stick with that story ... it's been a real winner thus far. :wink20:

[ptif219]

http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/brewer-says-killing-obamacare-now-could-cripple-the-state-budget/article_0abc3df6-135e-588c-b66d-b86f592c2820.html

Problem is the federal money will not cover the increase in medicaid participants.

[ptif219]

I wonder if Floriduh gov Scott will start whining next. He's already started campaigning for re-election and he's probably the most hated governor of all time. :)

He is most hated because of Obamacarte stance

[Cigar]

This is the same Californicated state that dropped 2 billion on a truly stupid energy efficient car subsidy program.

And then had to close their roadside rest stations on their decaying interstate highways when they ran out of money.

A Republicrat governor in a Republicrat state.

Yawn.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/130204092728-california-budget-graphic-monster.jpg

[Mainecoons]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Your affirmative action tax dollars at "work"

[Cigar]

http://i.imgur.com/Kj2isPm.jpg

[Mainecoons]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Your affirmative action tax dollars at "work"

Continued.

[Captain Obvious]

I can tell you from a provider standpoint, the Medicaid provision is huge - but it varies from state-to-state.

In essence, this is how Obamacare greases states to cooperate.

Basically Medicaid programs are expanded. In WV where basically only single moms and children qualify, the program is being expanded to basically "if you qualify for food stamps, you qualify for Medicaid". This is a huge boon for providers, a large chunk of what was previously written off as uncollectable is now paid at Medicaid rates - which aren't great but better than nothing.

Increasing Medicaid participation also increases other federally funded reimbursement to underpaid/underserved areas like disproportionate share and the 340b drug purchasing program.

In the long run, who knows.

[Cigar]

Continued.

Looks like that affirmative action was to your ass ... :laugh:

[hanger4]

I say stick with that story ... it's been a real winner thus far. :wink20:

Not playing wittle games cigar,

just trying to educate you about default.

I
n finance default occurs when a debtor has not met his or her legal obligations according to the debt contract, e.g. has not made a scheduled payment, or has violated a loan covenant (condition) of the debt contract. A default is the failure to pay back a loan.[1] Default may occur if the debtor is either unwilling or unable to pay his or her debt. This can occur with all debt obligations including bonds, mortgages, loans, and promissory notes. National default refers to the idea of an entire government unwilling or unable to pay a required national debt.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_(finance)


What part of this is over your head ??

[ptif219]

I can tell you from a provider standpoint, the Medicaid provision is huge - but it varies from state-to-state.

In essence, this is how Obamacare greases states to cooperate.

Basically Medicaid programs are expanded. In WV where basically only single moms and children qualify, the program is being expanded to basically "if you qualify for food stamps, you qualify for Medicaid". This is a huge boon for providers, a large chunk of what was previously written off as uncollectable is now paid at Medicaid rates - which aren't great but better than nothing.

Increasing Medicaid participation also increases other federally funded reimbursement to underpaid/underserved areas like disproportionate share and the 340b drug purchasing program.

In the long run, who knows.

The money will not cover many people. As always Obama uses deceptions to trick people. It is more lie than truth like almost everything he claims about Obamacare

http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/11/obamacares-medicaid-expansion-and-the-my

[Cigar]

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/724229412/he_won_get_over_it.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460

[Captain Obvious]

The money will not cover many people. As always Obama uses deceptions to trick people. It is more lie than truth like almost everything he claims about Obamacare

http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/11/obamacares-medicaid-expansion-and-the-my

Coverage varies from state to state because states regulate their own Medicaid programs and while I can't speak specifically as to what other states are seeing, I can tell you WV will see a huge increase in Medicaid reimbursement.

Medicaid is NOT a federally regulated program. It's federally funded but regulated by each state's dept of health and human services. Medicaid coverage and reimbursement is increasing substantially in WV and from what I understand it's increasing substantially for many other states.

I am already seeing an increase in cash flow due to the affordable care act's increase in physician Medicaid reimbursement - essentially Medicaid is being paid like Medicare for docs offices. That cash is already in my bank.

Cite all the blogs you want, I'm telling you what's happening at ground zero.

[Alyosha]

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/724229412/he_won_get_over_it.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460



Yes, "you" did.


http://altnewschannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/480028_435626763219935_1796327696_n.jpg

[jillian]

This is same old same old of establishment Reps arguing with tea party reps.

Jan Brewer??

an establishment republican?

no... she is, however, running a state and apparently has two brain cells to rub together somewhere in there

[Alyosha]

Jan Brewer??

an establishment republican?

no... she is, however, running a state and apparently has two brain cells to rub together somewhere in there

Establishment Republican = One who bends over for K Street

[jillian]

Establishment Republican = One who bends over for K Street

"establishment republican" = anyone who isn't totally and completely out of control

[GrassrootsConservative]

"establishment republican" = anyone who isn't totally and completely out of control

:laugh: That puts you out of the run for being totally and completely in control then, nutjob.

[Alyosha]

"establishment republican" = anyone who isn't totally and completely out of control


What does "out of control" mean? Ohhhhh, so we all have to think the same way and tow the Democratic party line even if we don't agree? Maybe we should just do away with elections?

[Chris]

Establishment Republican = One who bends over for K Street


This is meaningful. Though I think K Street is moving to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.



"establishment republican" = anyone who isn't totally and completely out of control


This is emotional.

[Chris]

What does "out of control" mean? Ohhhhh, so we all have to think the same way and tow the Democratic party line even if we don't agree? Maybe we should just do away with elections?


And parties and branches and checks and balances and Constitution and Declaration....

[Cigar]

What does "out of control" mean? Ohhhhh, so we all have to think the same way and tow the Democratic party line even if we don't agree? Maybe we should just do away with elections?

Some Republicans Say Debt Limit Fuss Is A Lot Of Hype

For weeks, economists and bankers have been warning that there will be catastrophic consequences if Congress fails raise the nation's borrowing limit.

They say it will mean the nation will default on its debt, which could rock U.S. and global markets. The Treasury has warned that it will exhaust the "extraordinary measures" it has been using to keep paying the nation's bills by Oct. 17.

"To actually permit default, according to many CEOs and economists, would be — and I'm quoting here — 'insane,' 'catastrophic,' 'chaos,' " President Obama has said. "These are some of the more polite words. Warren Buffett likened default to a nuclear bomb."

But to a small group of Republicans in Congress, these warnings are just a lot of hype. They believe the country will not default, even if the debt ceiling is breached, and all the fuss about the debt limit is just fear-mongering.

"To suggest that we can't pay our debts — that's absolutely not true," says Rep. Phil Gingrey of Georgia.

The Republicans in this group have different theories about why the country is not going to default, but the conclusion is the same: Let Oct. 17 come and go without raising the debt ceiling, and America's going to be A-OK.

~snip~

Joe Barton of Texas (...) says the U.S. can prioritize certain payments — and skip payments on less important things.

"You know, paying the travel expenses of the secretary of commerce, maybe we will only pay 50 percent of that next month — or National Labor Relations Board, or some of the discretionary items that we can postpone," he says. "You know, it can be managed."

~snip~

And that takes us to another theory. Rep. Ted Yoho of Florida says as long as the United States keeps paying all the interest on its debt — meaning, as long as U.S. bondholders get paid — the nation's technically not defaulting.

"Default is not being able to service your debt," he says. "We've got plenty of money coming in on a monthly basis to service our debt."



http://www.npr.org/2013/10/10/231199878/gop-group-warns-debt-limit-fuss-is-a-lot-of-hype

[hanger4]

Some Republicans Say Debt Limit Fuss Is A Lot Of Hype

For weeks, economists and bankers have been warning that there will be catastrophic consequences if Congress fails raise the nation's borrowing limit.

They say it will mean the nation will default on its debt, which could rock U.S. and global markets. The Treasury has warned that it will exhaust the "extraordinary measures" it has been using to keep paying the nation's bills by Oct. 17.

"To actually permit default, according to many CEOs and economists, would be — and I'm quoting here — 'insane,' 'catastrophic,' 'chaos,' " President Obama has said. "These are some of the more polite words. Warren Buffett likened default to a nuclear bomb."

But to a small group of Republicans in Congress, these warnings are just a lot of hype. They believe the country will not default, even if the debt ceiling is breached, and all the fuss about the debt limit is just fear-mongering.

"To suggest that we can't pay our debts — that's absolutely not true," says Rep. Phil Gingrey of Georgia.

The Republicans in this group have different theories about why the country is not going to default, but the conclusion is the same: Let Oct. 17 come and go without raising the debt ceiling, and America's going to be A-OK.

~snip~

Joe Barton of Texas (...) says the U.S. can prioritize certain payments — and skip payments on less important things.

"You know, paying the travel expenses of the secretary of commerce, maybe we will only pay 50 percent of that next month — or National Labor Relations Board, or some of the discretionary items that we can postpone," he says. "You know, it can be managed."

~snip~

And that takes us to another theory. Rep. Ted Yoho of Florida says as long as the United States keeps paying all the interest on its debt — meaning, as long as U.S. bondholders get paid — the nation's technically not defaulting.

"Default is not being able to service your debt," he says. "We've got plenty of money coming in on a monthly basis to service our debt."



http://www.npr.org/2013/10/10/231199878/gop-group-warns-debt-limit-fuss-is-a-lot-of-hype

In finance default occurs when a debtor has not met his or her legal obligations according to the debt contract, e.g. has not made a scheduled payment, or has violated a loan covenant (condition) of the debt contract. A default is the failure to pay back a loan.[1] Default may occur if the debtor is either unwilling or unable to pay his or her debt. This can occur with all debt obligations including bonds, mortgages, loans, and promissory notes. National default refers to the idea of an entire government unwilling or unable to pay a required national debt.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_(finance)


What part of this is over your head ??

[ptif219]

Coverage varies from state to state because states regulate their own Medicaid programs and while I can't speak specifically as to what other states are seeing, I can tell you WV will see a huge increase in Medicaid reimbursement.

Medicaid is NOT a federally regulated program. It's federally funded but regulated by each state's dept of health and human services. Medicaid coverage and reimbursement is increasing substantially in WV and from what I understand it's increasing substantially for many other states.

I am already seeing an increase in cash flow due to the affordable care act's increase in physician Medicaid reimbursement - essentially Medicaid is being paid like Medicare for docs offices. That cash is already in my bank.

Cite all the blogs you want, I'm telling you what's happening at ground zero.

I take it you did not read the link