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Cigar
10-17-2013, 07:51 AM
It's far different, in many ways goes to the right-wing fever-dream fantasy Obama. But this classic scene does capture some of it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPmTp9up26w&feature=player_embedded

Many Republicans knew this was going to be a disaster going in. But just as many totally misread Obama. Just days before the shutdown numerous high profile Republicans insisted there was no way Obama wouldn't negotiate. But probably the key driver of this drama has been President Obama's refusal to negotiate over raising the debt ceiling.

Yes, there's been some back and forth here at the end, but as begging like this suggests, it's mainly been to sort of out terms of surrender. But that refusal has defined the entire standoff.

That forced first Republicans and then House Republicans and finally the rump caucus of 50 to 80 House fire-breathers to stand alone with outrageous demands. By not engaging they destroyed themselves.



Signs Indicate That Obama’s Debt Ceiling Gamble May Be Paying Off


More than two years ago, President Obama was still in the thick of his previous showdown with Republican House leaders over the nation’s debt limit when he called five senior advisers into his office. He did not ask their advice, one said. Rather, he told them, in a way that brooked no discussion: From now on, no more negotiating over legislation so basic and essential to the economy, and the country.

“I’m not going through this again. It’s bad for democracy. It’s bad for the presidency,” Mr. Obama said, according to the adviser, who declined to be identified describing internal discussions. The president then told the group — his Treasury secretary, chief Congressional lobbyist, chief economic adviser and both his and the vice president’s chiefs of staff — to spread that word, “even in your body language.”

Since then, so has Mr. Obama. To make his message on the debt ceiling stick, he had to deliver it, repeatedly, not only to Republicans convinced that he would “cave,” as many often have said, but also to business groups, the broader public and even to Democrats in Congress. Failure could shake not only the economy, but also Mr. Obama’s presidency, given his reputation, fair or not, for drawing red lines and then watching foes cross them.

The current fight is hardly over, yet the steady retreat of House Republicans since late last week, when they first proposed a short-term increase in the debt limit without policy strings, suggests that Mr. Obama’s big gamble could be paying off. It is a stand that was, and still is, fraught with risks if neither side backs down.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/us/signs-indicate-that-obamas-debt-ceiling-gamble-may-be-paying-off.html

keymanjim
10-17-2013, 07:52 AM
So, your admitting that your obama is nothing but a thieving, murdering thug?

Cigar
10-17-2013, 07:56 AM
So, your admitting that your obama is nothing but a thieving, murdering thug?


Whatever helps you digest that shit sandwich that was shoved down down your throat :laugh: chew first ... then swallow :grin:

keymanjim
10-17-2013, 07:59 AM
Whatever helps you digest that shit sandwich that was shoved down down your throat :laugh: chew first ... then swallow :grin:
Well, you're comparing him to a character in a movie that dealt in lies, theft, murder and unlawfulness.


Very appropriate comparison.


(This is you getting owned in your own thread.)

Beevee
10-17-2013, 08:15 AM
So, your admitting that your obama is nothing but a thieving, murdering thug?

Are charges pending?

Cigar
10-17-2013, 08:15 AM
Well, you're comparing him to a character in a movie that dealt in lies, theft, murder and unlawfulness.


Very appropriate comparison.


(This is you getting owned in your own thread.)

Time to fight fire with water :)

Cigar
10-17-2013, 08:16 AM
Are charges pending?

I predict impeachment proceeding ... :laugh:

keymanjim
10-17-2013, 08:49 AM
Are charges pending?
No, he's black. He gets a pass.

nic34
10-17-2013, 08:53 AM
New House rule:

It takes 3/4 majority to shut the government down.

nic34
10-17-2013, 08:55 AM
I predict impeachment proceeding ... :laugh:

And another temper tantrum in Jan. 2014.

At least McTurtle got HIS infrastructure project: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-17/mcconnell-s-favored-dam-project-included-in-debt-deal.html

jillian
10-17-2013, 08:58 AM
So, your admitting that your obama is nothing but a thieving, murdering thug?

poor delusional extremists... you're so full of anger, hate and dishonesty.

which is why you got your butts kicked... no ability to make self-assessments because you can't imagine that it is only the teeniest percentage of humans who think like you

(thank G-d)

Mister D
10-17-2013, 09:01 AM
poor delusional extremists... you're so full of anger, hate and dishonesty.

which is why you got your butts kicked... no ability to make self-assessments because you can't imagine that it is only the teeniest percentage of humans who think like you

(thank G-d)

Take it up with Cigar. He used the Godfather analogy.

Mister D
10-17-2013, 09:01 AM
Oh, sorry. G_dfather. :wink:

jillian
10-17-2013, 09:01 AM
Take it up with Cigar. He used the Godfather analogy.

riiiiiiiighty-o but i took it up with the wackobird... which was what was, actually, appropriate.

you do understand how insane you have to be to say what jimmy boy did about our president, right?

or maybe you don't.... which would explain a lot.

Mister D
10-17-2013, 09:06 AM
riiiiiiiighty-o but i took it up with the wackobird... which was what was, actually, appropriate.

you do understand how insane you have to be to say what jimmy boy did about our president, right?

or maybe you don't.... which would explain a lot.

Jillian, "wackobird" and almost all of the rest of your putdowns are corny. Seriously. :smiley:

Again, take it up with Cigar. Why use a Godfather analogy? Surely he could have avoided falling flat on his face as soon as he left the gate? Nah, it's Cigar. lol

keymanjim
10-17-2013, 09:14 AM
poor delusional extremists... you're so full of anger, hate and dishonesty.

which is why you got your butts kicked... no ability to make self-assessments because you can't imagine that it is only the teeniest percentage of humans who think like you

(thank G-d)
Am I going to have to hand your fat arse to you as well?

jillian
10-17-2013, 09:21 AM
Am I going to have to hand your fat arse to you as well?

i would have to be fat first.

i understand you are unable to have a conversation. we've all seen your spew.

now run along

patrickt
10-17-2013, 10:15 AM
Cigar is right. Americans get nothing from the dickhead in the Whitehouse. It's rather like posters here get nothing from Cigar. Not that Cigar is a dickhead.

Cigar
10-17-2013, 10:38 AM
Cigar is right. Americans get nothing from the dickhead in the Whitehouse. It's rather like posters here get nothing from Cigar. Not that Cigar is a dickhead.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1379264_10202275318864943_1408411529_n.jpg

Cigar
10-17-2013, 10:40 AM
Cigar is right. Americans get nothing from the dickhead in the Whitehouse. It's rather like posters here get nothing from Cigar. Not that Cigar is a dickhead.

Come on you can do better than Dick Head ... go ahead ... you know what you really want to say. :grin:

Let it out ... :laugh:

nic34
10-17-2013, 10:57 AM
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1379264_10202275318864943_1408411529_n.jpg

McConnel got HIS dam.....
:grin:

Matty
10-17-2013, 11:00 AM
Cigar is right. Americans get nothing from the dickhead in the Whitehouse. It's rather like posters here get nothing from Cigar. Not that Cigar is a dickhead.



Americans got what they always get from the assholeinchief. a great big fuck you.

Alyosha
10-17-2013, 11:03 AM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/83c6fe899397698d7e5726828bdde47e/tumblr_mu0wlnsIAu1qgd1buo1_400.jpg

Alyosha
10-17-2013, 11:09 AM
I'm glad the shutdown is over and Obama won so we can now talk about the real deal shit again.

http://americanandproud.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Obama-Syria-Benghazi.jpg


Warmongering

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kid-drone.jpg

Violation of due process

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nsa-snowden-640x640.jpg

Justice Department that's in Wall St's pockets

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g7DQkElNRxk/UizIYCbHNWI/AAAAAAABO5Q/sbAbP-AiEHs/s1600/130908-obama-nsa-meme2.jpg

Death of privacy and the American way of life

ChoppedLiver
10-17-2013, 12:48 PM
poor delusional extremists... you're so full of anger, hate and dishonesty.

which is why you got your butts kicked... no ability to make self-assessments because you can't imagine that it is only the teeniest percentage of humans who think like you

(thank G-d)

Wow! You ARE capable of using caps. Amazing!

:cool:

ChoppedLiver
10-17-2013, 12:49 PM
Americans got what they always get from the assholeinchief. a great big fuck you.

And the libtards are going to EXPECT you to take it and like it!

:cool:

zelmo1234
10-17-2013, 01:10 PM
Well I am an at will employer? I have to start letting people go , because of the sneaky little fact that my Waiver counts the employee's that are working on June 1, 2014.

Do yo think I should let my Conservative workers go, or my liberal ones??? HMMMMM! :)

patrickt
10-17-2013, 01:46 PM
Lean forward, Cigar. The King has something for you that you will love.

Beevee
10-17-2013, 02:52 PM
Cigar is right. Americans get nothing from the dickhead in the Whitehouse. It's rather like posters here get nothing from Cigar. Not that Cigar is a dickhead.

You really shouldn't speak for everyone.

Conservative posters get nothing from Cigar.

There's a difference.

Mainly conservative intransigence.