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Cigar
10-21-2013, 09:11 AM
The shrinking white base of the Republican party cannot accept the country in which it now lives so it shut it down

There are three main ways in which this has been a factor in the recent government shutdown and Republican schisms. First is gerrymandering. Since race is one of the best predictors of voting behaviour, House congressional seats have been manipulated largely on racial grounds. Politicians at state level carve constituencies into odd and unlikely shapes, shuffling around various racial groups to protect incumbents. Both parties do this when they have the chance but Republicans, who run more state houses, have had more chance and have undertaken the task with much zeal and guile. As a result, in 2012 the Democrats won more votes nationally for Congress but still got fewer seats, giving the Republicans who shut down the government a fragile mandate. It also means incumbents need not fear losing their seats, leaving them able to act out.

Second is the perceived beneficiaries of government spending. Republicans are more likely to regard intervention as being to support minorities rather than to support the poor. This goes not only for food stamps and welfare but also for Obamacare which was the issue that initially sparked the shutdown.

Finally, there is Obama the black son of an African immigrant and white mother who stands as an emblem for all this unease, personifying, in their minds, not only their political impotence today but their demographic irrelevance tomorrow. The word they're most likely to use to describe him is "liar". But their hostility goes beyond his policies and pronouncements to a deeply rooted suspicion of his authenticity.

Their inability to craft a credible strategic response to these insecurities only serves to reinforce them. "You don't like a particular policy or a particular president?" taunted Obama last week. "Go out there and win an election." The trouble is Republicans can't because their racially charged rhetoric alienates minorities, leaving them more electorally isolated, prompting defeat which leaves them ever more divided. Meanwhile, their reckless obstruction in Congress, which nearly triggered a default, makes the nation's descent into chaos more likely. Unable to come to terms with the country in which they live, they are complicit in creating the very future they most fear.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/20/race-central-fear-angst-us-right


No truer words have ever been spoken .... now behold ... The Anger and Rage :riot:

Alyosha
10-21-2013, 09:18 AM
Did Barak win a majority or no?

Cthulhu
10-21-2013, 09:19 AM
Anger and rage? Perhaps, but not for the reasons you think.

Why peddle the race cards? Why bring up the subject at all? Why not unite under a common banner? Isn't that what Obama would like done?

WWOD?

[/sarcasm]

Obama, the man who refused to cough up a valid birth certificate for years, the guy who has spent a small fortune on concealing his college transcripts, the son of an irresponsible mother, a nobody community organizer, who somehow managed to claw his way into the senate where he opposed that same measures which he now enforces - and you're still happy this guy is president?

So if he said it was legal to kill Christians/Muslims/whatever, and got a constitutional work around to make it happen, would you oppose it? Or would you cheer him on as you continually do?

Where do your morals lie? Because if it is with the set laws, that is a scary future. Killing Jews was legal under the Nazi regime. But I think we can all agree that it was wrong.

Obama was been on the record saying spending debt like it is cool was the wrong thing to do - yet he does that same thing. How can you in good conscience support such a character?

...what does his race have to do with anything?

Surprise me, address each of these points.

AmazonTania
10-21-2013, 09:21 AM
The United States: Before & After the Government Shutdown...


http://www.tomllewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10-14-ram-shutdown.jpg

Cthulhu
10-21-2013, 09:23 AM
The United States: Before & After the Government Shutdown...


http://www.tomllewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10-14-ram-shutdown.jpg


I'd be sad if I wasn't so busy laughing.

Cigar
10-21-2013, 09:27 AM
Anger and rage? Perhaps, but not for the reasons you think.

Why peddle the race cards? Why bring up the subject at all? Why not unite under a common banner? Isn't that what Obama would like done?

WWOD?

[/sarcasm]

Obama, the man who refused to cough up a valid birth certificate for years, the guy who has spent a small fortune on concealing his college transcripts, the son of an irresponsible mother, a nobody community organizer, who somehow managed to claw his way into the senate where he opposed that same measures which he now enforces - and you're still happy this guy is president?

So if he said it was legal to kill Christians/Muslims/whatever, and got a constitutional work around to make it happen, would you oppose it? Or would you cheer him on as you continually do?

Where do your morals lie? Because if it is with the set laws, that is a scary future. Killing Jews was legal under the Nazi regime. But I think we can all agree that it was wrong.

Obama was been on the record saying spending debt like it is cool was the wrong thing to do - yet he does that same thing. How can you in good conscience support such a character?

...what does his race have to do with anything?

Surprise me, address each of these points.

I'll tell you why ... because that's exactly what I believe.

It's not important that anyone else believes, because belief has nothing to do with it.

I can see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears ...

When's the first and last time in your entire lifetime ... that YOU seen a Confederate Flag being waved outside the WHITE House protesting ANOTHER President in YOUR Lifetime?

There's so much YouTube Examples ... why deny it?

I'm just calling it out for what it really is ... and I don't give shit who's insulted by the truth.

AmazonTania
10-21-2013, 09:30 AM
I'd be sad if I wasn't so busy laughing.

There is a slight difference.

The guy on the left is half black, and the guy on the right is half white.

They're both complete morons, though.

Cigar
10-21-2013, 09:31 AM
http://media.cagle.com/180/2013/10/19/139021_600.jpg

Alyosha
10-21-2013, 09:32 AM
People (mostly) don't hate Obama because he's black they hate him because they think he's a socialist.

There are some that do, however. I could name names, but I won't.

I hate him because he broke every campaign promise I cared about.

People didn't show up for Carson or Caine's events with Confederate flags because they aren't trying to leave the country he's in. It is a sign of insurgency, actually. A lot of people want to have their own non-progressive nation.

Cigar
10-21-2013, 09:34 AM
There is a slight difference.

The guy on the left is half black, and the guy on the right is half white.

They're both complete morons, though.

Think about it ... if you keep getting beat by a moron ... maybe it's time to look in the mirror and do a sell-evaluation. :laugh:

I'm just saying ... :wink:

AmazonTania
10-21-2013, 09:34 AM
People (mostly) don't hate Obama because he's black they hate him because they think he's a socialist.

There are some that do, however. I could name names, but I won't.

I hate him because he broke every campaign promise I cared about.

People didn't show up for Carson or Caine's events with Confederate flags because they aren't trying to leave the country he's in. It is a sign of insurgency, actually. A lot of people want to have their own non-progressive nation.

What campaign campaign promise did you actually care about?

Cigar
10-21-2013, 09:36 AM
People (mostly) don't hate Obama because he's black they hate him because they think he's a socialist.

There are some that do, however. I could name names, but I won't.

I hate him because he broke every campaign promise I cared about.

People didn't show up for Carson or Caine's events with Confederate flags because they aren't trying to leave the country he's in. It is a sign of insurgency, actually. A lot of people want to have their own non-progressive nation.

Where else do you see Confederate Flags a political events in Washington?

Personally ... I'd be really impressed if they waved those flags a few blocks away.

AmazonTania
10-21-2013, 09:36 AM
Think about it ... if you keep getting beat by a moron ... maybe it's time to look in the mirror and do a sell-evaluation. :laugh:

I'm just saying ... :wink:

Or maybe people should stop lowing the bar. Bush showed that any moron could be President. Obama showed that anyone can be president... period.

When the country wants a real leader, they will demand it. Until then, you've got American Idol replacing your political process.

Cthulhu
10-21-2013, 09:42 AM
Think about it ... if you keep getting beat by a moron ... maybe it's time to look in the mirror and do a sell-evaluation. :laugh:

I'm just saying ... :wink:

There is no shame in defeat when the game is rigged.

However there is much shame in victory with the above mentioned conditions.

Cthulhu
10-21-2013, 09:44 AM
I'll tell you why ... because that's exactly what I believe.

It's not important that anyone else believes, because belief has nothing to do with it.

I can see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears ...

When's the first and last time in your entire lifetime ... that YOU seen a Confederate Flag being waved outside the WHITE House protesting ANOTHER President in YOUR Lifetime?

There's so much YouTube Examples ... why deny it?

I'm just calling it out for what it really is ... and I don't give shit who's insulted by the truth.


Sadly, I remain unsurprised.

Chris
10-21-2013, 09:46 AM
[I]I'll tell you why ... because that's exactly what I believe.

It's not important that anyone else believes, because belief has nothing to do with it.



Which is it?

Chris
10-21-2013, 09:47 AM
Or maybe people should stop lowing the bar. Bush showed that any moron could be President. Obama showed that anyone can be president... period.

When the country wants a real leader, they will demand it. Until then, you've got American Idol replacing your political process.



Do you see the same level of apathy in England.

Alyosha
10-21-2013, 09:49 AM
What campaign campaign promise did you actually care about?

Repealing the "Section II" of the Patriot Act, restoration of habeas corpus, prosecution of torturers, immediate closure of Gitmo, immediate withdrawal of all US troops abroad (I still have the CD from the house party), and transparency in government.

Alyosha
10-21-2013, 09:50 AM
Where else do you see Confederate Flags a political events in Washington?

Personally ... I'd be really impressed if they waved those flags a few blocks away.



I saw them at the antiwar rally in 2003, I saw them at bailout protests, I've seen them before. Like I said there are some stupid people who don't like him because he's black, or...they dislike him worse because he's black, but mostly people think he's a socialist.

I think he's a corporatist. ((shrugs))

AmazonTania
10-21-2013, 09:55 AM
Do you see the same level of apathy in England.

There is a much larger representation in the UK in terms of political parties, so elections are taking more seriously in regards of who you want to represent you. It's not the greatest, but we try our best. Certainly not hyped up to the format of what has become in the United States.

AmazonTania
10-21-2013, 09:55 AM
Repealing the "Section II" of the Patriot Act, restoration of habeas corpus, prosecution of torturers, immediate closure of Gitmo, immediate withdrawal of all US troops abroad (I still have the CD from the house party), and transparency in government.

You actually thought that he was going to do that?

Haha, fooled you!

Alyosha
10-21-2013, 09:58 AM
You actually thought that he was going to do that?

Haha, fooled you!

No, I didn't think he would. I had to hope he would. So, in the end I got "Dashed Hopes and No Change".


I still wrote in Ron Paul, tho.

Chris
10-21-2013, 10:15 AM
There is a much larger representation in the UK in terms of political parties, so elections are taking more seriously in regards of who you want to represent you. It's not the greatest, but we try our best. Certainly not hyped up to the format of what has become in the United States.

I doubt anything could be as bad as this. I'm almost ready for a parliamentary system with proportional representation. Duopolistic popularity contests result in mediocrity at best.

Cigar
10-21-2013, 10:25 AM
Which is it?

It's not important that anyone else believes, because belief has nothing to do with it.

In other words ... why you believe doesn't change the facts.

Cigar
10-21-2013, 10:25 AM
I doubt anything could be as bad as this. I'm almost ready for a parliamentary system with proportional representation. Duopolistic popularity contests result in mediocrity at best.

Like he said ... Win an Election

Chris
10-21-2013, 10:27 AM
It's not important that anyone else believes, because belief has nothing to do with it.

In other words ... why you believe doesn't change the facts.

Right, so why should we care what your beliefs are?

Agravan
10-21-2013, 10:28 AM
Like he said ... Win an Election

You forgot to capitalize "he".

Cigar
10-21-2013, 10:28 AM
Right, so why should we care what your beliefs are?

Can't you read ... I said I don't care, so why are you asking questions that you and I both don't care about.

Is this the only Thread you have access to?

Cigar
10-21-2013, 10:29 AM
You forgot to capitalize "he".

Don't need to ... you already know who's President :laugh:

Chris
10-21-2013, 10:32 AM
Can't you read ... I said I don't care, so why are you asking questions that you and I both don't care about.

Is this the only Thread you have access to?

The question you keep dancing around is why if you don't care are you posting anything?

Mister D
10-21-2013, 10:34 AM
The race obsessed Cigar again...

Cigar
10-21-2013, 11:46 AM
The question you keep dancing around is why if you don't care are you posting anything?

I like placing mirrors in front of their face and then sit back a watch them complain about the reflection.

Mister D
10-21-2013, 11:48 AM
So you care about flamebaiting? Gotcha.

Cigar
10-21-2013, 11:50 AM
So you care about flamebaiting? Gotcha.

If you have a problem with anything I do, please feel free to do one of two things ...

... do something about it.

... whine to Mama.

Your choice.

Mister D
10-21-2013, 11:51 AM
Whatcha gonna do, D?

4349

Chris
10-21-2013, 12:16 PM
I like placing mirrors in front of their face and then sit back a watch them complain about the reflection.

Shouldn't you be the first to look?

patrickt
10-21-2013, 02:54 PM
The liberals are desperate to maintain racism. That's why we have the most racist president in 70 years.

Racism is central to the liberals holding power and moving the U.S. to a socialist state. They will not let racism die.

nathanbforrest45
10-21-2013, 03:09 PM
the shrinking white base of the republican party cannot accept the country in which it now lives – so it shut it down

there are three main ways in which this has been a factor in the recent government shutdown and republican schisms. First is gerrymandering. Since race is one of the best predictors of voting behaviour, house congressional seats have been manipulated largely on racial grounds. Politicians at state level carve constituencies into odd and unlikely shapes, shuffling around various racial groups to protect incumbents. Both parties do this when they have the chance but republicans, who run more state houses, have had more chance and have undertaken the task with much zeal and guile. As a result, in 2012 the democrats won more votes nationally for congress but still got fewer seats, giving the republicans who shut down the government a fragile mandate. It also means incumbents need not fear losing their seats, leaving them able to act out.

Second is the perceived beneficiaries of government spending. Republicans are more likely to regard intervention as being to support minorities rather than to support the poor. This goes not only for food stamps and welfare but also for obamacare – which was the issue that initially sparked the shutdown.

Finally, there is obama – the black son of an african immigrant and white mother – who stands as an emblem for all this unease, personifying, in their minds, not only their political impotence today but their demographic irrelevance tomorrow. The word they're most likely to use to describe him is "liar". But their hostility goes beyond his policies and pronouncements to a deeply rooted suspicion of his authenticity.

Their inability to craft a credible strategic response to these insecurities only serves to reinforce them. "you don't like a particular policy or a particular president?" taunted obama last week. "go out there and win an election." the trouble is republicans can't because their racially charged rhetoric alienates minorities, leaving them more electorally isolated, prompting defeat – which leaves them ever more divided. Meanwhile, their reckless obstruction in congress, which nearly triggered a default, makes the nation's descent into chaos more likely. Unable to come to terms with the country in which they live, they are complicit in creating the very future they most fear.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/20/race-central-fear-angst-us-right


no truer words have ever been spoken .... Now behold ... The anger and rage :riot:


oh please. What drivel.


I did not vote for Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Gore, Kerry or Obama and wasn't at all happy with either Bush. Was that because they were black or because they were socialist leaning?

The only people who care about Obama's race over his politics are those who are ashamed of their own race, both white and black

Come back and discuss his policies rather than his race and I will think you might have a brain in your head. Until then you are just another looter as far as I am concerned.

nathanbforrest45
10-21-2013, 03:16 PM
I saw them at the antiwar rally in 2003, I saw them at bailout protests, I've seen them before. Like I said there are some stupid people who don't like him because he's black, or...they dislike him worse because he's black, but mostly people think he's a socialist.

I think he's a corporatist. ((shrugs))


Define corporatist please?

As I said in another post when government and industry get into the same bed that's called fascism. Barack Obama is a fascist in the same vein as Mussolini. Fascism is more closely aligned with socialism than with anything approaching capitalism.

nathanbforrest45
10-21-2013, 03:21 PM
The liberals are desperate to maintain racism. That's why we have the most racist president in 70 years.

Racism is central to the liberals holding power and moving the U.S. to a socialist state. They will not let racism die.

I do not believe the left is so stupid they cannot understand the ultimate results of their policies. I am totally convinced freedom and equality is the last thing on their mind. What I don't understand is why so many people believe the best course of action for themselves is a return to slavery.

Chris
10-21-2013, 03:22 PM
Define corporatist please?

As I said in another post when government and industry get into the same bed that's called fascism. Barack Obama is a fascist in the same vein as Mussolini. Fascism is more closely aligned with socialism than with anything approaching capitalism.

Agree, corporatism is just another word for fascism. And fascism has more to do with socialism than capitalism. Instead of controlling business, government manages business, or the wealth capitalism creates. A better word might be statism. A euphemism is social democracy.

nathanbforrest45
10-21-2013, 03:27 PM
Agree, corporatism is just another word for fascism. And fascism has more to do with socialism than capitalism. Instead of controlling business, government manages business, or the wealth capitalism creates. A better word might be statism. A euphemism is social democracy.

Statism or collectivism.