HealthCare Dot Commie

[Chris]

This is in part tongue in cheek :-P but very true re the results of central planning.


HealthCare Dot Commie (http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/21/healthcare-dot-commie)


The most surprising thing about the botched launch of Obamacare’s “online insurance marketplace” is that the failure surprised anyone. From the moment, during the 2008 presidential campaign, that Barack Obama began promising to reform our medical delivery system, conservatives have repeatedly warned the public that his view of the issue was distorted by tired statist shibboleths. We pointed out that Obama’s closest friends and most influential mentors were communists and that, for him, “reform” was a euphemism for “federal take-over.” Based on these realities, we predicted that Obama’s brave new health care system would be a government-dominated, command-and-control disaster.

Nonetheless, there was widespread shock and bewilderment when the government bureaucrats steering Obamacare’s flagship ran it aground on its October 1st maiden voyage. How can anyone be surprised? The story of PPACA’s online marketplace is just another cliché-filled scene in the tragicomedy of centrally planned, government-run systems. It doesn’t matter if they are conceived in Moscow or inside the Beltway. All such systems meet the same fate. Whether imposed by well-meaning but naïve zealots or foisted on the electorate by despots who simply lust after “command” and “control,” they are always holed below the water line by the sheer incompetence of government bureaucrats.

Yet Obamacare’s advocates thought their pet project would be different....

...Morgan believes Obamacare should be replaced with a single-payer model or straight socialized system like Great Britain’s abominable NHS, despite the horrors routinely inflicted by such systems on their hapless patients. Progressives have a kind of learning disability where government is concerned. They cannot absorb the reality that concentrating ever increasing power in the hands of a few apparatchiks in Washington, Moscow, or Timbuktu for that matter, will sooner or later sink the ship of state. Obamacare was a giant step in the wrong direction. A good place to reverse this dangerous trend in our country is to dump Healthcare.commie and try free-market health care for once.


A result: Health Insurance Premiums Projected To Soar in 45 States Under Obamacare (http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/21/healthcare-dot-commie).

[Cigar]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131021-dear-republicans-can-you-at-least-try-to-make-your-whining-consistent.jpg

[Chris]

Eh, Reps, Dems, throw the statist bums out.

[Cigar]

This Forum is not going to be a Fun place for some members, after the FACTS come out. :grin:

http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/new_getcovered_stories_101813_newestsafe.jpg

[Cigar]

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has compared his fight to defund the Affordable Care Act to the fight against Nazi Germany. He sees it as his duty to provide "relief to the millions of people who are hurting because of Obamacare." The uninsured in his own state will tell you a different story.

Stacy Anderson, from Fort Worth, runs her own business selling sweaters online. She says she has not had health insurance for the past seven years because the sweater business is not too lucrative. "It cost more than I made some months," she says. Anderson says she was just diagnosed with skin cancer, though it is not life-threatening. "I've had it, apparently, for the entire seven years I've been uninsured," she says. "It will be nice if I can buy health insurance and get it treated."

Jeffrey Coffey is a 49-year-old from Austin who earns a living as a musician. He says has insurance, but notes that the $361 monthly premium is "way expensive" on his $22,000 salary; he says he pays more because he has asthma. Coffey says he applied for cheaper plans numerous times this year, but was turned down. "Getting rejection letters is depressing," he says. When Coffey buys insurance on the exchange, he estimates he will able to get coverage for $160 a month, a $200 savings. "But so far I haven't been able to log on to the website," he adds.

Andrew (who prefers his last name not be used) is a BFA student at Texas State University in San Marcos. He's in his mid-30s and has gone without insurance for years because it's too expensive. He has also avoided doctors for fear that he'd be diagnosed with a chronic condition, and insurance companies would "blacklist" him when he finally applied for coverage. Andrew says he no longer has to worry about that when he signs up for insurance through the exchanges this month. Andrew and his wife, a pre-K teacher, want to have a baby soon, and he says that Obamacare makes it "much more affordable for us to plan when and where we will start a family. I no longer need to worry that, god forbid, if one of us gets sick, we will be dropped from our insurance."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/10/ted-cruz-obamacare-helps-texas

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[Chris]

The point of the thread is to ask at what cost. Neither anecdotes nor cheerleading address that.

[Cigar]

The point of the thread is to ask at what cost. Neither anecdotes nor cheerleading address that.

Stages of GOP ObamCares grief:

1. ... ObamaCare is unconstitutional
2. ... is legal but bad
3. ... is killing liberty
4. ... is too hard to get :rofl:

[Chris]

Stages of GOP ObamCares grief:

1. ... ObamaCare is unconstitutional
2. ... is legal but bad
3. ... is killing liberty
4. ... is too hard to get :rofl:


You forgot it's legal as a tax penalty.


The complaint is the system sucks. As a software developer, you would never have deliver such crap.

[Chris]

http://i.snag.gy/l0Dx8.jpg

@ Obamacare Results in Premium Increase in 45 States (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/10/17/study-obamacare-results-in-premium-increase-in-45-states-n1726211)

[Cigar]

You forgot it's legal as a tax penalty.


The complaint is the system sucks. As a software developer, you would never have deliver such crap.

As a user ... have you ever used crappy Software?

Did you stop buying Software?

[Cigar]

http://i.snag.gy/l0Dx8.jpg

@ Obamacare Results in Premium Increase in 45 States (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/10/17/study-obamacare-results-in-premium-increase-in-45-states-n1726211)


Chris ... please tell us the last Year (in your life-time) Insurance Cost didn't go up?

Now ... does that mean your (meaning you personally) Insurance Cost won't go down?

:laugh:

[Chris]

Chris ... please tell us the last Year (in your life-time) Insurance Cost didn't go up?

Now ... does that mean your (meaning you personally) Insurance Cost won't go down?

:laugh:



OK, so you admit the costs will go up. Thank you.

[Chris]

Saying there was no "sugarcoating" the difficulty logging in, long waits, repeated failures and other problems, Obama added that tech industry experts were being brought in to help workers going 24/7 to solve resolve the website woes.

"Nobody's madder than me about the website not working as well as it should, which means it's going to get fixed," Obama said without specifying exactly what went wrong or who was to blame.

@ No 'sugarcoating' problems with health website (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/politics/obamacare-problems/)


At least obama's not trying to put lipstick on a pig.

[Cigar]

@ No 'sugarcoating' problems with health website (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/politics/obamacare-problems/)


At least obama's not trying to put lipstick on a pig.

Just as long as he delivers the Bacon :grin:

[Cigar]

OK, so you admit the costs will go up. Thank you.

The purpose of The ACA is to provide affordable Health Care to those who didn't have the opportunity.

Aren't you a supply and demand type?

[Chris]

Except it doesn't provide health care, it provides insurances, thereby increasing the profits of corporations who help write the bill, nothing more than crony capitalist corporatism. Good intentions pave the road to perdition..

[zelmo1234]

I like Cigars numbers, except that the government came out before the Sunday shows, and stated that only about 36000 signed up nation wide.

And we will see a lot of people that do take advantage, because remember this is designed to insure the people that can't afford insurance and many of them will get a large enough subsidy to get it for free?

The problem is that they need the young people to sign up at astronomical rates to pay for this, and they already know that so far it is not happening. And I think that it is highly unlikely that they will.

There is no incentive. for the youth to sign up for the insurance

[Agravan]

I like Cigars numbers, except that the government came out before the Sunday shows, and stated that only about 36000 signed up nation wide.

And we will see a lot of people that do take advantage, because remember this is designed to insure the people that can't afford insurance and many of them will get a large enough subsidy to get it for free?

The problem is that they need the young people to sign up at astronomical rates to pay for this, and they already know that so far it is not happening. And I think that it is highly unlikely that they will.

There is no incentive. for the youth to sign up for the insurance
They'll do it for their messiah...