View Full Version : Study: Poor children are now the majority in American public schools in South, West
Mister D
10-23-2013, 10:49 AM
Yeah, this bodes well...
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A majority of students in public schools throughout the American South and West are low-income for the first time in at least four decades, according to a new study (http://www.southerneducation.org/getattachment/0bc70ce1-d375-4ff6-8340-f9b3452ee088/A-New-Majority-Low-Income-Students-in-the-South-an.aspx)that details a demographic shift with broad implications for the country.The analysis by the Southern Education Foundation (http://www.southerneducation.org/), the nation’s oldest education philanthropy, is based on the number of students from preschool through 12th grade who were eligible for the federal free and reduced-price meals program in the 2010-11 school year.
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The 2008 recession, immigration and a high birthrate among low-income families have largely fueled the changes, said Steve Suitts, vice president of the Southern Education Foundation and an author of the study.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/study-poor-children-are-now-the-majority-in-american-public-schools-in-south-west/2013/10/16/34eb4984-35bb-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.html
Cigar
10-23-2013, 10:51 AM
Fuck'em ... Let's Cut Education :laugh:
Mister D
10-23-2013, 10:52 AM
Fuck'em ... Let's Cut Education :laugh:
We send generously on education.
nic34
10-23-2013, 10:57 AM
We should be proud of what Reaganomics has done for us the last 30+ years....
Mister D
10-23-2013, 10:58 AM
We should be proud of what Reaganomics has done for us the last 30+ years....
You mean the Reagan Amnesty. Well, in his defense he did trust the Democratic Congress to hold up its end of the deal.
Cigar
10-23-2013, 11:11 AM
:rollseyes: It's Bush Fault
Mister D
10-23-2013, 11:14 AM
:rollseyes: It's Bush Fault
Well, yes, neocons have always supported mass immigration. He is by no means innocent. Bush, like most of the managerial class, doesn't have to live with the consequences of such policies.
That said, why you brought up Bush is anyone's guess.
TheDictator
10-23-2013, 11:30 AM
At my public school about 92% of the kids are on Free-Lunch, and about 60% of the food goes into the trash because the kids will not eat it.
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 11:32 AM
Our whole economy is in the shitter because of Keynesians. We have the worst of all worlds. Money is taken out of peoples pockets, funneled through government where 70% is lost to administrative costs and no money to spend on charity.
Mister D
10-23-2013, 11:33 AM
At my public school about 92% of the kids are on Free-Lunch, and about 60% of the food goes into the trash because the kids will not eat it.
That doesn't surprise me.
Cigar
10-23-2013, 11:34 AM
At my public school about 92% of the kids are on Free-Lunch, and about 60% of the food goes into the trash because the kids will not eat it.
In the Good Old Day you couldn't get up without finishing. :laugh:
Green Arrow
10-23-2013, 11:38 AM
Democrats, tell me more about how Obama and his party are friends of the poor and are closing the wealth inequality gap.
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 11:40 AM
Democrats, tell me more about how Obama and his party are friends of the poor and are closing the wealth inequality gap.
Well, they're hanging out with Jay-Z and Beyonce and giving them access to Cuba so that they can return and tell America about how awesome it was to have special favors like that.
They're also making themselves into millionaires so that they can use offshore accounts themselves to figure out how Mitt Romney avoided taxes and can prevent others from doing so in the future.
Also, they're laughing at Dennis Kucinich and his single payer plan all the way to the bank.
Mister D
10-23-2013, 11:42 AM
Democrats, tell me more about how Obama and his party are friends of the poor and are closing the wealth inequality gap.
How can anyone be for closing the wealth gap or reducing poverty while supporting mass immigration at the same time? How these people reconcile two mutually exclusive positions I don't know...
Green Arrow
10-23-2013, 11:49 AM
How can anyone be for closing the wealth gap or reducing poverty while supporting mass immigration at the same time? How these people reconcile two mutually exclusive positions I don't know...
I thought you were already aware, but I don't share your views on immigration and racial purity, and never will. So let's not waste our time diving down a rabbit hole for which there is no rope.
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 11:53 AM
I thought you were already aware, but I don't share your views on immigration and racial purity, and never will. So let's not waste our time diving down a rabbit hole for which there is no rope.
I'm anti-borders and pro economic freedom (meaning voluntary capitalism or socialism as long as you choose), but you cannot have what we have and a loose border. It makes the few remaining middle class workers bear the brunt of taking care of other people's children at the expense of their own.
Mister D
10-23-2013, 11:53 AM
I thought you were already aware, but I don't share your views on immigration and racial purity, and never will. So let's not waste our time diving down a rabbit hole for which there is no rope.
I don't have views on racial purity for you to share. In any case, no worries. It was a rhetorical question.
Mister D
10-23-2013, 11:54 AM
I'm anti-borders and pro economic freedom (meaning voluntary capitalism or socialism as long as you choose), but you cannot have what we have and a loose border. It makes the few remaining middle class workers bear the brunt of taking care of other people's children at the expense of their own.
Well, yeah.
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 12:11 PM
http://media2.policymic.com/1db1a4f4e3122cdde96a037737fafece.jpg
That top 20% have the mentality of the liberal Facebook "genius" who took off for Singapore to not have to give half of his billions to the government. He renounced his citizenship rather than pay 46%.
They will all do this. That is the reality that middle class progressives refuse to accept.
That leaves that very slender little yellow and orange sections to not only pay for the small blue area, but also regulations that pay for the large pinkish red group to stay so rich.
Ya know, those Monsanto types who have regulations and caselaw that fuck over the small farmers and organic farms...yes, our money pays for a government to administer those programs that screw over our neighbors on Monsanto's behalf.
That is the reality.
We cannot expect the family with 2 kids making $60 k a year, $4k a month after taxes to pay for their mortgage, school supplies, utilities, car payments, and save for their kids college and the poor kids of immigrant families, as well.
And if the government could get the rich to pay they would have done so by now. Obama had a brief moment where he controlled the House and Senate and did what with it? Certainly didn't snag the Mitt Romneys or Jay-Zs during that time.
nic34
10-23-2013, 12:15 PM
...... I'll just let you all go on with your dividing up the world with the Randian survival-of-the fittest, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez- faire capitalism.... that has gotten us to where we are today.... OH, WAIT....
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 12:17 PM
...... I'll just let you all go on with your dividing up the world with the Randian survival-of-the fittest, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez- faire capitalism.... that has gotten us to where we are today.... OH, WAIT....
Seriously, how have we done that? There's never been a time without taxes of some type.
When 1/3 to 40% of what you make is taken before you see it, why wouldn't you be a bit squirrelish with what you have left?
Do you not think people ought to care for their own families first?
nic34
10-23-2013, 12:18 PM
When 1/3 to 40% of what you make is taken before you see it,
First thing I'd do is get another tax accountant.....
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 12:19 PM
First thing I'd do is get another tax accountant.....
I should evade my share when I know that people who make less than me are paying out the ass?
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 12:22 PM
10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,700, plus
15% on taxable income over $8,700 to $35,350, plus
25% on taxable income over $35,350 to $85,650, plus
28% on taxable income over $85,650 to $178,650, plus
33% on taxable income over $178,650 to $388,350, plus
35% on taxable income over $388,350.
Federal ^^
State: http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/highest-state-income-tax-rates.htm
Take that 28% and add 5% to it and you're at 33% of what you make is gone.
Green Arrow
10-23-2013, 03:19 PM
...... I'll just let you all go on with your dividing up the world with the Randian survival-of-the fittest, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez- faire capitalism.... that has gotten us to where we are today.... OH, WAIT....
I don't want any capitalism, actually.
zelmo1234
10-23-2013, 03:33 PM
http://media2.policymic.com/1db1a4f4e3122cdde96a037737fafece.jpg
That top 20% have the mentality of the liberal Facebook "genius" who took off for Singapore to not have to give half of his billions to the government. He renounced his citizenship rather than pay 46%.
They will all do this. That is the reality that middle class progressives refuse to accept.
That leaves that very slender little yellow and orange sections to not only pay for the small blue area, but also regulations that pay for the large pinkish red group to stay so rich.
Ya know, those Monsanto types who have regulations and caselaw that fuck over the small farmers and organic farms...yes, our money pays for a government to administer those programs that screw over our neighbors on Monsanto's behalf.
That is the reality.
We cannot expect the family with 2 kids making $60 k a year, $4k a month after taxes to pay for their mortgage, school supplies, utilities, car payments, and save for their kids college and the poor kids of immigrant families, as well.
And if the government could get the rich to pay they would have done so by now. Obama had a brief moment where he controlled the House and Senate and did what with it? Certainly didn't snag the Mitt Romneys or Jay-Zs during that time.
Actually I do expect a family that is making 60K to do all of those things, Is there luxuries that they can do without? YES,
Most families in that income bracket that can't make it are either #1 in urban areas where housing costs are astronomical, or they don't manage their money well.
Look at it this way. 4K take home a month.
If they have reasonable housing 800, payment taxes and insurance.
Car payment with insurance and Gas 700.00
that gives me 2500 to work with?
Food 200 a week for 800? Still sitting on 1700
If they started when the children are born 30 dollars a week for education each. 240 more still 1500 left?
So even if they have a little too much home and you added another 500.00 per month?
And you have 500 in other expenses?
Still 500 left over for a rainy day?
The problem comes in when they have a cottage, 4 ATV's a boat, 2 snowmobiles, they have the kids in every activity in the world so they can't find the time to eat at home?
And Credit card bills up the behind? However that is not my fault.
zelmo1234
10-23-2013, 03:34 PM
...... I'll just let you all go on with your dividing up the world with the Randian survival-of-the fittest, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez- faire capitalism.... that has gotten us to where we are today.... OH, WAIT....
No it is the regulation and taxation that has us where we are today!
zelmo1234
10-23-2013, 03:36 PM
First thing I'd do is get another tax accountant.....
It is not going to matter Nic! the truth is for those that live in high taxations states like NY, IL and CA. more than half of what they make goes to paying taxes?
And now you want me to invest in giving others jobs? AHHH! NO!
nic34
10-23-2013, 03:41 PM
I should evade my share when I know that people who make less than me are paying out the ass?
I don't want any capitalism, actually.
Then why don't you folks get out there and do something?????
There are a multitude of things I want to do too, but without actual working solutions to get them implemented we're just blowing smoke here....
Ideas?
Instant-runoff voting (IRV)?
Voting on weekends....
Restore Glass–Steagall
Move to amend, https://movetoamend.org/wethepeopleamendment
Corporations are not people-----money is not speech.....
Support Sen. Sanders of Vt. on taxes:
Sen. Sanders firmly believes we must stop profitable Wall Street banks and corporations from sheltering profits in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes, and as such he introduced the Corporate Tax Dodging Prevention Act (S.250 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas)). He also believes that capital gains and dividends should be taxed at the same rate as other income.
Any other solutions, or just more could've, would've, should've...?
Green Arrow
10-23-2013, 03:43 PM
Then why don't you folks get out there and do something?????
What makes you think I don't?
There are a multitude of things I want to do too, but without actual working solutions to get them implemented we're just blowing smoke here....
Ideas?
Instant-runoff voting (IRV)?
Voting on weekends....
Restore Glass–Steagall
Move to amend, https://movetoamend.org/wethepeopleamendment
Corporations are not people-----money is not speech.....
Support Sen. Sanders of Vt. on taxes:
Sen. Sanders firmly believes we must stop profitable Wall Street banks and corporations from sheltering profits in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes, and as such he introduced the Corporate Tax Dodging Prevention Act (S.250 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas)). He also believes that capital gains and dividends should be taxed at the same rate as other income.
Any other solutions, or just more could've, would've, should've...?
I have nothing but solutions. But since you're curious, I'll post them.
nathanbforrest45
10-23-2013, 03:45 PM
Tell me how socialism can ever be voluntary? I want to keep what I have earned to spend on those things that are consistent with my value system. Socialism will not allow me to do that. Socialism is perhaps most soul and wealth destroying economic system ever devised by any despot. The only economic system that truly allows freedom to the greatest number of people is free market capitalism. Anything else is nothing more than varying levels of involuntary servitude (i.e. slavery or imprisonment)
nathanbforrest45
10-23-2013, 03:49 PM
10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,700, plus
15% on taxable income over $8,700 to $35,350, plus
25% on taxable income over $35,350 to $85,650, plus
28% on taxable income over $85,650 to $178,650, plus
33% on taxable income over $178,650 to $388,350, plus
35% on taxable income over $388,350.
Federal ^^
State: http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/highest-state-income-tax-rates.htm
Take that 28% and add 5% to it and you're at 33% of what you make is gone.
You've forgotten social insecurity which is another 15 percent between you and your employer and if you are self employed that's YOU
Green Arrow
10-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Tell me how socialism can ever be voluntary? I want to keep what I have earned to spend on those things that are consistent with my value system. Socialism will not allow me to do that. Socialism is perhaps most soul and wealth destroying economic system ever devised by any despot. The only economic system that truly allows freedom to the greatest number of people is free market capitalism. Anything else is nothing more than varying levels of involuntary servitude (i.e. slavery or imprisonment)
I get tired of correcting ignorance on this topic. Go read a book by Bakunin and Kropotkin.
Tell me how socialism can ever be voluntary? I want to keep what I have earned to spend on those things that are consistent with my value system. Socialism will not allow me to do that. Socialism is perhaps most soul and wealth destroying economic system ever devised by any despot. The only economic system that truly allows freedom to the greatest number of people is free market capitalism. Anything else is nothing more than varying levels of involuntary servitude (i.e. slavery or imprisonment)
He doesn't mean state socialism as we saw throughout the twentieth century.
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 07:36 PM
Actually I do expect a family that is making 60K to do all of those things, Is there luxuries that they can do without? YES,
Still 500 left over for a rainy day?
So they should spend that extra $500 on what you think they should spend it on (more taxes) instead of dance classes, sneakers, saving for a family vacation, saving for a home, etc?
Why should that $500 go back to the government? zelmo1234
I would like to see that family save it.
And in VA it's more like $1200-1500 to rent an apartment for a family with 2 kids and about $1000 for a small house in mortgage if they can afford the down payment.
Alyosha
10-23-2013, 07:37 PM
Tell me how socialism can ever be voluntary? I want to keep what I have earned to spend on those things that are consistent with my value system. Socialism will not allow me to do that. Socialism is perhaps most soul and wealth destroying economic system ever devised by any despot. The only economic system that truly allows freedom to the greatest number of people is free market capitalism. Anything else is nothing more than varying levels of involuntary servitude (i.e. slavery or imprisonment)
When people decide to voluntarily pool their money and share resources.
zelmo1234
10-23-2013, 07:53 PM
So they should spend that extra $500 on what you think they should spend it on (more taxes) instead of dance classes, sneakers, saving for a family vacation, saving for a home, etc?
Why should that $500 go back to the government? @zelmo1234 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=588)
I would like to see that family save it.
And in VA it's more like $1200-1500 to rent an apartment for a family with 2 kids and about $1000 for a small house in mortgage if they can afford the down payment.
You and I are on the same page when it comes to taxes, and the rainy day thing is what I call savings. But even at 1500? they should be able to make ends meet!
I am a fairly simple person, and if you take my charitable giving out of it, I bet I live on less than $4K per month, and when I was raising my son, I lived on a lot less for a while.
But wouldn't it be great if the government could get their heads out of their behinds and live on less so families like this could have a little more!
Peter1469
10-23-2013, 09:16 PM
So they should spend that extra $500 on what you think they should spend it on (more taxes) instead of dance classes, sneakers, saving for a family vacation, saving for a home, etc?
Why should that $500 go back to the government? @zelmo1234 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=588)
I would like to see that family save it.
And in VA it's more like $1200-1500 to rent an apartment for a family with 2 kids and about $1000 for a small house in mortgage if they can afford the down payment.
Not in northern VA. My 800 sq ft 1 bedroom apartment is over $1800.
Mister D
10-23-2013, 09:19 PM
We're becoming a Third World Country. Or perhaps a giant South Africa?
Blackrook
10-23-2013, 09:44 PM
No one should ever get on an internet forum and announce that a family of four should be able to make it on $60K per year. There are too many variables in this country. In Arkansas, $60K per year is a fortune. In New York, that's poverty.
Peter1469
10-23-2013, 09:52 PM
No one should ever get on an internet forum and announce that a family of four should be able to make it on $60K per year. There are too many variables in this country. In Arkansas, $60K per year is a fortune. In New York, that's poverty.
Right.
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