Obama changes Marine uniform to stupid

[Alyosha]

Jesus Christ...we all loved the fucking dress covers.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/23/obama-wants-marines-to-wear-girly-hats/

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/marine_hats.jpg?w=680&h=453&crop=1

Thanks to a plan by President Obama to create a “unisex” look for the Corps, officials are on the verge of swapping out the Marines’ iconic caps with a new hat that some have derided as so “girly” that they would make the French blush.


“We don’t even have enough funding to buy bullets, and the DoD is pushing to spend $8 million on covers that look like women’s hats!” one senior Marine source fumed to The Post. “The Marines deserve better. It makes them look ridiculous.”


The thin new hats have a feminine line that some officials think would make them look just as good on female marines as on males — in keeping with the Obama directive.
Modal Trigger (http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/newhats.jpg)http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/newhats.jpg?w=300One of the new hats worn by a female Marine.

They have been dubbed the “Dan Daly” hat, after a sergeant from Long Island who won the Medal of Honor in World War I.
But some Marines love the old hat, which has been in use since 1922 and think the new hat is a glorified “porter’s cap.”


“The Dan Daly cap looks too French, and the last people we want to associate our Marines with would be the French military,” wrote one commenter on the Marine Times Web site.



Why is this important?

[Cigar]

President Obama is now a Seamstress :smiley_ROFLMAO:

I think the skirt should be shorter ... :wink:

[Alyosha]

President Obama is now a Seamstress :smiley_ROFLMAO:

I think the skirt should be shorter ... :wink:


Well, he wants all the women who joined the most macho branch of the service to not feel overwhelmed by masculinity...and we all know he's a little afraid of Masculinity

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp54/annatjom/Obama/capt0b5ac9ba81324cc7a37746c245bc-1.jpg


Seriously tho


why do you guys have to fuck everything up? Marine in their dress blues are HOT.

[patrickt]

Can you imagine that silly cap above Barack Obama's ears?

[Alyosha]

Can you imagine that silly cap above Barack Obama's ears?

Yes?

[Mister D]

That's going to piss off conservaives. Those new hats look positively...dare I say...French.

[Alyosha]

That's going to piss off conservaives. Those new hats look positively...dare I say...French.

My husband would have been so angry about that hat. The marine uniform was one of his reasons for doing that instead of going NAVY for the seals. He thought marines looked more badass and staye with RECON.

[Mister D]

My husband would have been so angry about that hat. The marine uniform was one of his reasons for doing that instead of going NAVY for the seals. He thought marines looked more badass and staye with RECON.

Mister D is a known Francophile. :embarrassed: I kind of like the new ones.

The blue dress uniform is pretty cool. It evokes a bygone era. I can definitely understand how he felt.

[oceanloverOH]

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I'm sending this to Dad.....guaranteed he will just crap his regulation skivvie drawers! What an ugly, pussified-looking cover that is.......LEAVE OUR MARINES ALONE, YOU JACKASS!!!!
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[Ravi]

Why is this important?
It isn't. Just more fauxrage.

[oceanloverOH]

It isn't. Just more fauxrage.

Fauxrage? No, it really does piss me off, particularly since there are soooooo many really important issues the Jackass-in-Chief should be working on, and he chooses to focus on this.

[Mister D]

Fauxrage? No, it really does piss me off, particularly since there are soooooo many really important issues the Jackass-in-Chief should be working on, and he chooses to focus on this.

Never mind the parrot. Squak...fauxrage...squak...demonization...squak

I can definitely see how this woudl piss someone off especially if they were from a military family.

[Libhater]

Yeah, a mere $8 million to create a unisex Marine outfit. This while he's gutting billions from the military on defense. And libs here still can't see this guy's anti/un American traitorous role? Libs need to understand the only difference between progressivism and communism is that progressives aren't banking on revolution.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/24/obama-wants-marines-to-wear-girly-hats/

[Ravi]

Fauxrage? No, it really does piss me off, particularly since there are soooooo many really important issues the Jackass-in-Chief should be working on, and he chooses to focus on this.Read this portion of a thread at a military forum and maybe you'll think differently.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176680-marine-corps-to-change-female-marine-covershats/page-2

The "girly" hat is actually a masculined up female's hat. The new style is a throwback to something the marines wore 90 years ago.

Yeah, it's fauxrage based on a silly article in the New York Post.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176680-marine-corps-to-change-female-marine-covershats/page-2

[Cigar]

Geeesh ... you guys need to take a Midol :laugh:

[Boris The Animal]

Geeesh ... you guys need to take a Midol :laugh:And you need to get your head out of Obama's ass.

[Cigar]

And you need to get your head out of Obama's ass.

I see you're having a little discomfort ... over the last 5 years.

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[oceanloverOH]

Read this portion of a thread at a military forum and maybe you'll think differently.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176680-marine-corps-to-change-female-marine-covershats/page-2

The "girly" hat is actually a masculined up female's hat. The new style is a throwback to something the marines wore 90 years ago.

Yeah, it's fauxrage based on a silly article in the New York Post.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176680-marine-corps-to-change-female-marine-covershats/page-2

I don't care (and neither does any Marine) what they wore a century ago. The Marine Corps dress cover evolved into what it is today for a reason. I can't even repeat in polite company what my Dad had to say about it. And I still say there are many more important issues to be focused on.

[Ravi]

I don't care (and neither does any Marine) what they wore a century ago. The Marine Corps dress cover evolved into what it is today for a reason. I can't even repeat in polite company what my Dad had to say about it. And I still say there are many more important issues to be focused on.
I agree, so why are you upset? This is meaningless and from what I understand (did you read the link), active duty marines will get to vote on the uniform changes. Of course now they'll be afraid of appearing girly (ironic, eh) so of course this hat will get the kibosh.

[oceanloverOH]

I have merged Libhater's thread with Alyosha's thread; duplicate topic.

[Alyosha]

It isn't. Just more fauxrage.

Not to the people who have to wear it.

[Alyosha]

I agree, so why are you upset? This is meaningless and from what I understand (did you read the link), active duty marines will get to vote on the uniform changes. Of course now they'll be afraid of appearing girly (ironic, eh) so of course this hat will get the kibosh.

Because why should they change what NO ONE complained about, spend money on a redesign so that FMs don't feel as different? It is wasting money and time on a problem that never existed.

[Ravi]

Because why should they change what NO ONE complained about, spend money on a redesign so that FMs don't feel as different? It is wasting money and time on a problem that never existed.
Que?

[Alyosha]

Que?

Female Marines (FMs in Marine speak).

[Ravi]

Female Marines (FMs in Marine speak).
Link to where the change was considered so that FMs don't feel different, por favor.

[Codename Section]

Link to where the change was considered so that FMs don't feel different, por favor.


We have been instructed in our tolerance training and our integrated training and our generals that the CIC policy is to create a gender equal environment for the FMs to they feel as valued as us.

Most FMs didn't ask for this or want this. Most also don't want to be in combat infantry units, either.

When they have been discussing how this policy would implement at the uniform level they took into consideration costs of the current FM dress uniform which has more expensive covers than we do.

Most FMs tried wearing our covers and some put on our blues in the test areas. They would rather wear our stuff than have us have to change our uniform.

Given that our uniform is a recruiting tool they'd be stupid to change it.

As a civilian you are unaware of Marine Corps internal politics and what training we receive to accomodate our FMs but we are told constantly that we have to create an environment where they feel equal.

I don't see how making us look like assholes will accomplish that, but maybe it so that all of us men and women look stupid instead of just leaving things as they were.

[Ravi]

Frankly, the old hats look gay. The new ones are a vast improvement.

[Codename Section]

Frankly, the old hats look gay. The new ones are a vast improvement.

This would normally be where I tell someone to fuck off but then I remember that you could be a female and just quit talking to you.

[Ravi]

In case that first sentence flew over your head, it means that the old Marine hats are like that of an awesomely vicious Aztec ruler, and the new “unisex” ones are totally gay. Take a look at these marines:

http://media.carbonated.tv/118313_story__MarinesinMontezumahats.jpg Ok, now look at the halo at the top of their hats. Trivia time: is that the part that makes it gay or not gay? Is this the Aztec ruler hat or the go to the gay club hat?

http://www.carbonated.tv/news/fox-news-new-york-post-freak-out-over-marines-wearing-girly-hats-blame-obama

[oceanloverOH]

In case that first sentence flew over your head, it means that the old Marine hats are like that of an awesomely vicious Aztec ruler, and the new “unisex” ones are totally gay. Take a look at these marines:

http://media.carbonated.tv/118313_story__MarinesinMontezumahats.jpg Ok, now look at the halo at the top of their hats. Trivia time: is that the part that makes it gay or not gay? Is this the Aztec ruler hat or the go to the gay club hat?

http://www.carbonated.tv/news/fox-news-new-york-post-freak-out-over-marines-wearing-girly-hats-blame-obama

I see absolutely nothing gay about the current Marine Corps cover....it has sharp edges, which adds to the appearance of sharp and tight; male or female. I was always irritated that when I was active duty, for female uniforms the USAF chose to use:

Bucket hat (circa late 60s/early 70s....I hated that thing; nobody looked good in it)
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Beret (circa early 70s-mid 80s....better, but still not as sharp as we should have been)
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Garrison Flight Cap (mid 80s......the women FINALLY got a sharp looking hat similar to the mens' hats)
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[Codename Section]

I see absolutely nothing gay about the current Marine Corps cover....it has sharp edges, which adds to the appearance of sharp and tight; male or female. I was always irritated that when I was active duty, for female uniforms the USAF chose to use:

Bucket hat (circa late 60s/early 70s....I hated that thing; nobody looked good in it)
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Beret (circa early 70s-mid 80s....better, but still not as sharp as we should have been)
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Garrison Flight Cap (mid 80s......the women FINALLY got a sharp looking hat similar to the mens' hats)
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Is that you oceanloverOH?

I think you would have been my gf back then even if you were Chair Force.

[AmazonTania]

Read this portion of a thread at a military forum and maybe you'll think differently.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176680-marine-corps-to-change-female-marine-covershats/page-2

The "girly" hat is actually a masculined up female's hat. The new style is a throwback to something the marines wore 90 years ago.

Yeah, it's fauxrage based on a silly article in the New York Post.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176680-marine-corps-to-change-female-marine-covershats/page-2

Why don't the Marines go back to using Thompson's while their at it. Would certainly make it easier for the British Empire to reclaim you twits...

[Cthulhu]

The new hat may as well be a friggin' bonnet.

This is some gay shit.

And if the CIC was so insistent on a 'unisex' uniform, why didn't he make the FM's where trousers like the men? Can't be consistent with anything.

Old hat? Never was particularly fond of the beast, but it looked damn good. New hat? Just wrong. Just ****ing wrong.

This is little more than a slap in the face to the branch of service most likely to rebel against the government. Nothing more.

[Codename Section]

The new hat may as well be a friggin' bonnet.

This is some gay shit.

And if the CIC was so insistent on a 'unisex' uniform, why didn't he make the FM's where trousers like the men? Can't be consistent with anything.

Old hat? Never was particularly fond of the beast, but it looked damn good. New hat? Just wrong. Just ****ing wrong.

This is little more than a slap in the face to the branch of service most likely to rebel against the government. Nothing more.
Cthulhu

DUDE! This is what I was saying. They are fucking with us first because they know we give fucks about anyone else anymore. They're all worried because we're 90% libertarian. Not even Republicans control us anymore.

[Boris The Animal]

Is that you @oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)?

I think you would have been my gf back then even if you were Chair Force.Chair Force? And which branch of the US Armed Forces control the nuke keys again??

[Ravi]

Why don't the Marines go back to using Thompson's while their at it. Would certainly make it easier for the British Empire to reclaim you twits...
Right. The Brits couldn't reclaim Oeno if the petrels decided to revolt without massive intervention from the US.

And it's they're not their, twit. Don't you speak English? hahahahaha

[Codename Section]

Chair Force? And which branch of the US Armed Forces control the nuke keys again??

Scary thought, huh?

[Boris The Animal]

Scary thought, huh?Yeah, and with president Doofus with the launch codes? Lord help us.

[Cthulhu]

@Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872)

DUDE! This is what I was saying. They are fucking with us first because they know we give fucks about anyone else anymore. They're all worried because we're 90% libertarian. Not even Republicans control us anymore.

Great minds think alike I suppose. It's kinda what I think about that BS series "Homeland". Where the Marine was the traitor.

Right....

USMC is in the government sights.

[Codename Section]

Great minds think alike I suppose. It's kinda what I think about that BS series "Homeland". Where the Marine was the traitor.

Right....

USMC is in the government sights.

Yep. Bet they are sorry now they made us the largest fraternity in the world and then put us in rotating combat deploys.

[Cthulhu]

Yep. Bet they are sorry now they made us the largest fraternity in the world and then put us in rotating combat deploys.

Psalms 9:15



15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the anet (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ps/9?lang=eng#) which they hid is their own foot taken.

Proverbs 26:27



27 Whoso diggeth a apit (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/prov/26.27?lang=eng#) shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.

And they just keep digging away...

[Codename Section]

Psalms 9:15


Proverbs 26:27



And they just keep digging away...


And the social engineering they're doing I also think is their attempt to create a military they believe will either be weakened or favorable, but it will just backfire.

[Ravi]

It's a sad day when the marines are emasculated by a hat.

[Cthulhu]

It's a sad day when the marines are emasculated by a hat.

Oh Ravi....

*pats Ravi on the head*

You'll learn better in time.

[Cthulhu]

And the social engineering they're doing I also think is their attempt to create a military they believe will either be weakened or favorable, but it will just backfire.

Well they have been feminizing the military as a whole for a long time now. You know exactly what I mean when I say "they Corps ain't what it used to be." And the thing is that it is true. But despite the efforts to utterly sissify the Corps, they still have a lot of work to do.

All this social engineering does is weaken the service though.

[Mainecoons]

It's a sad day when we have a government that is so disconnected from reality that it wastes money on something the jarheads most certainly do not want while it runs 40 percent deficits and prints 85 billion dollars a month trying to jump start an economy its own policies have stalled.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Oh Ravi....

*pats Ravi on the head*

You'll learn better in time.

We can only hope..

[Codename Section]

It's a sad day when the marines are emasculated by a hat.

It's a "cover" not a hat. And it is our cover so we should be allowed to think what we want about it without outsiders who will never wear it weighing in.

And, btw, the uniform is a selling point for recruitment.

[Codename Section]

Well they have been feminizing the military as a whole for a long time now. You know exactly what I mean when I say "they Corps ain't what it used to be." And the thing is that it is true. But despite the efforts to utterly sissify the Corps, they still have a lot of work to do.

All this social engineering does is weaken the service though.

It is not my father's marine corps, but at the same time all of us Sangin salt dogs are pretty fucking salty.

[Cthulhu]

It's a "cover" not a hat. And it is our cover so we should be allowed to think what we want about it without outsiders who will never wear it weighing in.

And, btw, the uniform is a selling point for recruitment.

Ding ding ding!

But give it time, the recruiters will be good enough at lying about how the new hat looks 'so much better'. I despise those creatures.

[Peter1469]

Why don't the Marines go back to using Thompson's while their at it. Would certainly make it easier for the British Empire to reclaim you twits...

Good luck with that. :wink: You ran out of Tomahawks within 2 weeks in Libya.... :shocked:

[Peter1469]

Personally I think that covers should be reserved with dress uniforms only for ceremonial functions. They don't serve a practical function.

Now a soft cap (patrol cap) or Kevlar helmet in the field serves a practical purpose.

[Codename Section]

Personally I think that covers should be reserved with dress uniforms only for ceremonial functions. They don't serve a practical function.

Now a soft cap (patrol cap) or Kevlar helmet in the field serves a practical purpose.

I wasn't exactly wearing my cover on patrol. :)

[Cthulhu]

Personally I think that covers should be reserved with dress uniforms only for ceremonial functions. They don't serve a practical function.

Now a soft cap (patrol cap) or Kevlar helmet in the field serves a practical purpose.

The new hat serves no function other than to piss off marines. I can assure you of this.

[Mister D]

I'd like a cover for my Model 1884 kepi. They made the rain covers out of rubber, I believe.

[Peter1469]

I wasn't exactly wearing my cover on patrol. :)
Well I have blond hair, so I sort of need the patrol cap to cover that up. And the patrol cap kept the sun or rain out of my eyes. During combat, I appreciated the Kevlar helmet. Also in jumps. We did one jump in high winds and when I hit the ground my Kevlar was the only thing that prevented my head from being split open.

[Dangermouse]

Damn but Obama is a busy busy man, micromanaging every single thing that anybody wants to piss and whine about!

[Codename Section]

Well I have blond hair, so I sort of need the patrol cap to cover that up. And the patrol cap kept the sun or rain out of my eyes. During combat, I appreciated the Kevlar helmet. Also in jumps. We did one jump in high winds and when I hit the ground my Kevlar was the only thing that prevented my head from being split open.

Kevlar can do that.

[Cthulhu]

Kevlar can do that.

Hell, I like wearing it just for riding in the Humvees, MRAPs, LAVs, 7 tons, and any other steel beast that has sharp metal corners on the inside.

Seriously, you'd think the vehicles were designed to harm the operators. My kevlar saved my noodle on more than one occasion, and that was inside the damn vehicles!

[Alyosha]

Damn but Obama is a busy busy man, micromanaging every single thing that anybody wants to piss and whine about!

Well, it beats working at his actual job, I'm sure.

[Codename Section]

Hell, I like wearing it just for riding in the Humvees, MRAPs, LAVs, 7 tons, and any other steel beast that has sharp metal corners on the inside.

Seriously, you'd think the vehicles were designed to harm the operators. My kevlar saved my noodle on more than one occasion, and that was inside the damn vehicles!

Well and don't forget the fake "A/C" button that is just there to drive you insane. How I ended up with every broken A/C unit in the USMC I have no idea.

[Cthulhu]

Well and don't forget the fake "A/C" button that is just there to drive you insane. How I ended up with every broken A/C unit in the USMC I have no idea.

You know that is the strangest thing, it actually worked quite well in the MRAPs. Course that was about the only thing it was good for though. MRAPs are damn worthless off road. They get stuck everywhere. At least until the 7 ton comes over and pulls it out.

[Codename Section]

You know that is the strangest thing, it actually worked quite well in the MRAPs. Course that was about the only thing it was good for though. MRAPs are damn worthless off road. They get stuck everywhere. At least until the 7 ton comes over and pulls it out.

You had better USMC luck than I did, dog. I also got accidentally shot.

[Chloe]

I don't think they look all that bad really, but what do I know.

[Cthulhu]

You had better USMC luck than I did, dog. I also got accidentally shot.

You're not even kidding about luck. I got 3 new weapons while I was in - the first guy to use them all three times. Never got shot either.

But then again, I didn't do what you did. I was a LAV bubba. And in Iraq I was a convoy driver. Basically invincible, or dead. Really no middle ground.

But at least you get to shoot back, All I can do is profane and honk a horn that doesn't work and show them American sign language.

[Codename Section]

I don't think they look all that bad really, but what do I know.
Chloe

if you want to look like the dumb detective from the Pink Panther movies then maybe that's a good look. If you want to look like a fucking marine then you keep our old cover. :)

[Codename Section]

You're not even kidding about luck. I got 3 new weapons while I was in - the first guy to use them all three times. Never got shot either.

But then again, I didn't do what you did. I was a LAV bubba. And in Iraq I was a convoy driver. Basically invincible, or dead. Really no middle ground.

But at least you get to shoot back, All I can do is profane and honk a horn that doesn't work and show them American sign language.

Before I made 0317 and was just a 0311 or "sandbag engineer" I had this guy in my platoon who kept bitching because he never got a proper engagement to shoot anyone. I'll bet ya $100 he's a cop now.

[oceanloverOH]

Is that you oceanloverOH?

I think you would have been my gf back then even if you were Chair Force.

No, sweetie, that's not me, LOL. None of the pics I have of me in uniform as an E-6 or below are in digital format; I really should scan them. I do have one digital pic of me in uniform, at hubby's retirement ceremony, that I can post. Also in the pic is hubby, my mom, his mom and stepdad, and his brother. I stayed active duty for another year after he retired, so he could take his time finding just the right job; it worked out well.

[oceanloverOH]

Chair Force? And which branch of the US Armed Forces control the nuke keys again??

I don't mind that he calls me that....after all, I didn't serve in a combat zone. But my Devil Dog Daddy sure did.

[Codename Section]

I don't mind that he calls me that....after all, I didn't serve in a combat zone. But my Devil Dog Daddy sure did.

bark bark bark

I like your cheeks, oceanloverOH. You're a real cutie. :)

[Cthulhu]

Before I made 0317 and was just a 0311 or "sandbag engineer" I had this guy in my platoon who kept bitching because he never got a proper engagement to shoot anyone.

Without knowing him, I am inclined to call him a fool - because only fools seek out conflict in which the victor gambles his soul and the defeated loses his life.


I'll bet ya $100 he's a cop now.

Gambling, I don't do it. I like knowing the outcome, then placing bets. But odds are, you could be right.

[Cthulhu]

Well, it looks like we've been had-

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/marines-shoot-down-internet-story-on-obama-s-alleged-push-for-girly-hats-1.248963



The story is sweeping the Internet: President Barack Obama is trying to emasculate male Marines by making them wear a girly cover with their famed dress uniforms. The only problem? It’s not true.


First, some background: Men and women in the Marine Corps currently wear different types of covers as part of their dress and service uniforms. The manufacturer of the women’s “bucket cover” – which has a distinctly different shape than the men’s cover – is going out of business and will not continue to make the cap, according to the Marine Corps.


The Marine Corps also has been asked by the DoD to find a unisex option for a dress and service cover, Marines said.


So, the Marine Corps Uniform Board, which meets quarterly, decided to gather feedback in advance of its meeting next week. Active and Reserve Marines were asked to vote on whether they believe women should adopt the current male cover, with some small modifications, or for all Marines to adopt what they call the Dan Daly cap.


Sgt. Maj. Dan Daly, a two-time Medal of Honor recipient who yelled, “Come on, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?” as he led Marines into the fight at Belleau Wood during World War I, wore a cap similar to the option proposed by the survey.


The Marine Corps Uniform Board will use the surveys to formulate a recommendation, though popularity isn’t the only consideration -- as evidenced by the strong negative reaction to the recent decision to keep camouflage utility sleeves rolled down all year.

Commandant Gen. James Amos must approve any uniform board recommendation before it takes effect.

In an email, Marine Corps officials said there is no truth to reports that President Obama is behind the potential change.


“The president in no way, shape or form directed the Marine Corps to change our uniform cover,” according to the Marine Corps statement. “We are looking for a new cover for our female Marines for one overriding reason: The former manufacturer went out of business. … The Marine Corps has zero intention of changing the male cover.

All that being said, Obama is still a douche bag, liar, murderer, and overall tool of evil.

[Codename Section]

Well, it looks like we've been had-

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/marines-shoot-down-internet-story-on-obama-s-alleged-push-for-girly-hats-1.248963



All that being said, Obama is still a douche bag, liar, murderer, and overall tool of evil.

If you'd listened to me a few posts back I cleared that up. :) I said they were testing new hats because women's covers were expensive AND that they even tested them in ours.

Jesus Devil Dog. You should know I'm on top of USMC shit.

[Cthulhu]

If you'd listened to me a few posts back I cleared that up. :) I said they were testing new hats because women's covers were expensive AND that they even tested them in ours.

Jesus Devil Dog. You should know I'm on top of USMC shit.

Was too busy seeing red.

[Dr. Who]

What I don't understand is why so many mundane and non-presidential issues are so frequently attributed to Obama, when so many of these issues are essentially civil service or in this case military admin. Like any sitting President has enough hours in a day to micromanage every department in the government even if you do think he's a nightmare.

[Dr. Who]

Also, this may sound like a novel concept, but why not just have the women wear the same Marine Corp uniform as the men, with appropriate tailoring. No skirts, no heels etc. Why make any uniform distinction?

[oceanloverOH]

I think all the branches of the military DO have both dress pantsuits and dress skirtsuits. I didn't wear a skirt again for 10 years after the womens' pantsuit was approved. I'm not sure why exactly, they keep the skirts around...........

[Peter1469]

I think all the branches of the military DO have both dress pantsuits and dress skirtsuits. I didn't wear a skirt again for 10 years after the womens' pantsuit was approved. I'm not sure why exactly, they keep the skirts around...........


And skirts with berets were embarrassing.

[Codename Section]

What I don't understand is why so many mundane and non-presidential issues are so frequently attributed to Obama, when so many of these issues are essentially civil service or in this case military admin. Like any sitting President has enough hours in a day to micromanage every department in the government even if you do think he's a nightmare.

He's the CIC and because he set the policy that we are fed in our sensitivity training.

I think the idea of sensitivity training for a group of paid killers is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Can't say faggot, can't say bitch but you can learn how to kill a man 2,000 different ways.

It's like we go to training, listen, then go back and joke about it. Our current CIC is so far into liberal cluelessness that he really doesn't get how stupid it is to even attempt this out of a group of people whose sole mission is to engage and kill the enemy.

Its one thing to teach discipline, another to tell us: be sensitive on one hand, but ruthless on the other.

And that does come top down. When trying to figure out what we need to wear they did make the suggestion that it be something that women look good in too.

Just some stuff is stupid.

[Dr. Who]

I think all the branches of the military DO have both dress pantsuits and dress skirtsuits. I didn't wear a skirt again for 10 years after the womens' pantsuit was approved. I'm not sure why exactly, they keep the skirts around...........IMO the uniform looks better with pants and why do the women have to wear a different hat or cover? In the picture in the OP the woman in the standard Marine Corp hat looks better than the other had which might belong to a flight attendant or French Gendarme. The only problem I see is that proportionally it is rather large on a woman's head, but the same could be said for small men in the Marine Corp.

[Codename Section]

IMO the uniform looks better with pants and why do the women have to wear a different hat or cover? In the picture in the OP the woman in the standard Marine Corp hat looks better than the other had which might belong to a flight attendant or French Gendarme. The only problem I see is that proportionally it is rather large on a woman's head, but the same could be said for small men in the Marine Corp.


The FMs like our uniforms and would rather wear them. I think that's better anyway.

[Dr. Who]

The FMs like our uniforms and would rather wear them. I think that's better anyway.

Problem solved. Just have a referendum among the FMs asking for the male uniform, and they won't need a different supplier.

[Codename Section]

Problem solved. Just have a referendum among the FMs asking for the male uniform, and they won't need a different supplier.

They already did. They made a unit that sees a lot of ceremonies try different stuff on and they're voting. If we get too many officers voting they'll vote whatever the CIC wants. Enlisted will vote for the old cover. Most enlisted FMs are friends of Ellen and want to be one of the guys so if you say, "Vote for our cover" they'll do it just to get along.

I always got along with the FMs but some of the guys didn't like them because they would terrorize them and you can't hit them back because they're chicks, plus women got issued better weapons.

It happens.

[Dr. Who]

They already did. They made a unit that sees a lot of ceremonies try different stuff on and they're voting. If we get too many officers voting they'll vote whatever the CIC wants. Enlisted will vote for the old cover. Most enlisted FMs are friends of Ellen and want to be one of the guys so if you say, "Vote for our cover" they'll do it just to get along.

I always got along with the FMs but some of the guys didn't like them because they would terrorize them and you can't hit them back because they're chicks, plus women got issued better weapons.

It happens.

Don't understand the concept of different uniforms in 2013. It's archaic. Women don't join the military, let alone the Marines to look feminine.

[Codename Section]

Don't understand the concept of different uniforms in 2013. It's archaic. Women don't join the military, let alone the Marines to look feminine.

They have the same "uniforms" as we do. Everyone has digital cammies. It's just the dress uniform that's different and that's for special occasions so I guess they felt the skirt was appropriate or something. Men get married in their dress blues. Women not so much.

The ONLY woman I saw get married in hers was a lesbian and she wore it and her girlfriend wore a white dress.

I get invited to a lot of FM weddings and I get asked about sperm donation, too. I have no idea why.

[Dr. Who]

They have the same "uniforms" as we do. Everyone has digital cammies. It's just the dress uniform that's different and that's for special occasions so I guess they felt the skirt was appropriate or something. Men get married in their dress blues. Women not so much.

The ONLY woman I saw get married in hers was a lesbian and she wore it and her girlfriend wore a white dress.

I get invited to a lot of FM weddings and I get asked about sperm donation, too. I have no idea why.

You must have attractive genes.

[oceanloverOH]

plus women got issued better weapons.
Well now, THAT'S bullcrap! Why is that happening, and why aren't the Marines getting inferior weapons raising hell?


I get asked about sperm donation, too. I have no idea why.

I know why. Alyosha shared a pic of her and you with me. And you are good looking, big, strong....just what women want in their children. Feel flattered!

[Peter1469]

He's the CIC and because he set the policy that we are fed in our sensitivity training.

I think the idea of sensitivity training for a group of paid killers is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Can't say faggot, can't say bitch but you can learn how to kill a man 2,000 different ways.

It's like we go to training, listen, then go back and joke about it. Our current CIC is so far into liberal cluelessness that he really doesn't get how stupid it is to even attempt this out of a group of people whose sole mission is to engage and kill the enemy.

Its one thing to teach discipline, another to tell us: be sensitive on one hand, but ruthless on the other.

And that does come top down. When trying to figure out what we need to wear they did make the suggestion that it be something that women look good in too.

Just some stuff is stupid.

I saw the shift towards PC during my time. It was very different in the 80s - early 90s. In fact my sergeant major when I was in the 82nd (90-91) ended up being the command sergeant major at my first JAG assignment (1999)- 10th Mountain Div. At my first officer call, I recognized him, and he recognized me. At some point he pulled me aside and warned me that the Army had changed and that stuff that I did back in the 82nd would get me court-martialed in the "new" army. He reminded me that I did get banned for life from the Pope Air Force Base NCO club.... He was nice enough to cover that up for me.

[Mr Happy]

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I'm sending this to Dad.....guaranteed he will just crap his regulation skivvie drawers! What an ugly, pussified-looking cover that is.......LEAVE OUR MARINES ALONE, YOU JACKASS!!!!
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Like he's even responsible...get a grip..

[jillian]

Like he's even responsible...get a grip..

like anyone can even tell the difference

it's amazing what they blame the president for. lol

[Peter1469]

like anyone can even tell the difference

it's amazing what they blame the president for. lol

As I got higher in the ranks I came to understand how this works. The President (or your commanding officer) makes policy. Those under him want to implement that policy to look good (and get an excellent bullet on their Officer Eval Report). So whatever policy is set, it is typically expanded far beyond the original intent.

My last tour in Iraq, I was in the position to push back against this reality as it applied to the rules of engagement. A policy of restraint existed but lower level commanders took it too far and lots of soldiers died because of it.

[Codename Section]

Like he's even responsible...get a grip..

The CIC makes orders to the flags, the flags tell their people and down the chain it goes. You don't understand the military, but yes, he is responsible.

That's the military. You're responsible for everything below you when you have that type of power. He said he wanted a more equal military and so they're attempting to follow his orders.

Obama does not understand the military and it's why he's not liked by the enlisted branches. Officers, I'd say maybe a third like him. Enlisted not even 1 out of 10.

He wants to take social engineering that works in the civilian world to the military world and it just doesn't. The same traits that make you good at killing people and not wanting to put a bullet in your own head afterwards are what make you raunchy and unpc.

Like DADT no male gay in the enlisted ranks is "out". FMs who are gay are out. I know many. Gay men if they are gay keep it to themselves. Even lesbian FMs tell cocksucker jokes about gay men. They are just as crude as we are.

I know this guy Adams (sorry bro) who used to always look up (afraid of planes) and this FM Gonzalez would yell: "Waiting for a dick to fall in your mouth, homo?" She was a lesbian.

Officers are the only ones who are "out" and the few I know who are are Navy and Army.


like anyone can even tell the difference

It is a HUGE difference. Now you're just makin' crap up, Mom. One has a wide, flat brim and the other looks like french foreign legion.



it's amazing what they blame the president for. lol

Commander in Chief. He could have said nothing about our uniform and the only thing that would happen is probably the FMs would have just been given our hat--something all the enlisted FMs I know wanted to wear anyway.

They love our uniform and hate theirs.

[Codename Section]

Well now, THAT'S bullcrap! Why is that happening, and why aren't the Marines getting inferior weapons raising hell?

We still get good weapons. I did because I was 0317. All enlisted marines who are 0311 get standard Springfields. FMs get the M4.




I know why. Alyosha shared a pic of her and you with me. And you are good looking, big, strong....just what women want in their children. Feel flattered!

Awww, thank you. Did I have hair in the pic or was it high?

:D

I just thought it was so weird because I went to her wedding barely even knowing her first name and at the reception they come up to me and asked me for sperm and I was like, "uhhhh no?" I could not imagine a kid running around that was mine, but that wouldn't be mine.

[oceanloverOH]

The CIC makes orders to the flags, the flags tell their people and down the chain it goes. You don't understand the military, but yes, he is responsible.

That's the military. You're responsible for everything below you when you have that type of power. He said he wanted a more equal military and so they're attempting to follow his orders.

Obama does not understand the military and it's why he's not liked by the enlisted branches. Officers, I'd say maybe a third like him. Enlisted not even 1 out of 10.

Call me prejudiced; call me partisan; call me ridiculous and I don't give a crap. The POTUS is the CIC of the military. I would NEVER vote for a POTUS that didn't have at least some military service. Because it's a unique way of life, you can't really understand it unless you've marched the proverbial mile in combat boots.

[Cthulhu]

Call me prejudiced; call me partisan; call me ridiculous and I don't give a crap. The POTUS is the CIC of the military. I would NEVER vote for a POTUS that didn't have at least some military service. Because it's a unique way of life, you can't really understand it unless you've marched the proverbial mile in combat boots.

I agree, if you have the power to order people to engage in combat, you should have been in the service yourself. But I'm also the guy who thinks that our leaders should be fighting on the front lines of every war they start too.

[BB-35]

Here's the model 1912 service cap worn by marines

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[Mister D]

I agree, if you have the power to order people to engage in combat, you should have been in the service yourself. But I'm also the guy who thinks that our leaders should be fighting on the front lines of every war they start too.

For most of human history, they usually were.

[Mainecoons]

Now really, could you picture this individual in a firefight?

http://danmillerinpanama.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/obama_chunbike1.jpg

[Ravi]

Here's the model 1912 service cap worn by marines

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Now those uniforms are totally gay.

[Cthulhu]

Now really, could you picture this individual in a firefight?

http://danmillerinpanama.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/obama_chunbike1.jpg

Oh yes...much to my amusement as well.

[jillian]

Now really, could you picture this individual in a firefight?

http://danmillerinpanama.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/obama_chunbike1.jpg

as opposed to this one?

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[Ravi]

So the entire story turned out to be total bullshit, just as I figured.

"The President in no way, shape, or form directed the Marine Corps to change our uniform cover," said Capt. Maureen Krebs, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps. "We're looking for a new cover for our female Marines for the primary reason that the former manufacturer went out of business. The Marine Corps has zero intention of changing the male cover."http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-marines-girly-hats-2013-10

Fauxrage over a New York Post article. Delicious.

[Ravi]

I do hear that Obama has decided that only pink nail polish may be worn by marines.

[jillian]

So the entire story turned out to be total bullshit, just as I figured.

"The President in no way, shape, or form directed the Marine Corps to change our uniform cover," said Capt. Maureen Krebs, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps. "We're looking for a new cover for our female Marines for the primary reason that the former manufacturer went out of business. The Marine Corps has zero intention of changing the male cover."http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-marines-girly-hats-2013-10

Fauxrage over a New York Post article. Delicious.

you mean they're....... lying?






again....

[oceanloverOH]

Now really, could you picture this individual in a firefight?

http://danmillerinpanama.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/obama_chunbike1.jpg

Sorry, but I think he'd be running and screaming like a little girl. I do.

[jillian]

Sorry, but I think he'd be running and screaming like a little girl. I do.

riiiiiiight....


unlike the guy who froze for 7 minutes while reading my pet goat on 9.11... i'm sure

[BB-35]

riiiiiiight....


unlike the guy who froze for 7 minutes while reading my pet goat on 9.11... i'm sure

No one 'froze' for 7 minutes.....

[jillian]

No one 'froze' for 7 minutes.....

ah...if only that were true

[BB-35]

Now those uniforms are totally gay.

It was good enough for my great uncle to be buried while in France during WW1

[oceanloverOH]

riiiiiiight....


unlike the guy who froze for 7 minutes while reading my pet goat on 9.11... i'm sure

Honestly, jillian, I know GWB wasn't the best POTUS we ever had, but give him just a little credit. I don't think he "froze". I think he handled the initial information with grace and professionalism. He used those few moments to digest what he had been told; I could read on his face that his mind was racing to go through all the possible scenarios....the ramifications, what retaliation we should employ if any, notifications and discussions with military leaders, the process for mobilizing fighter jets, etc. etc. etc. It was to his credit that he didn't show any outward reaction....and I believe that was purposeful, so that the teachers and children would not be unnecessarily alarmed and panicky.

[jillian]

@BB-35 (o@BB-35) yoohoo

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5Wz tB6HzXxI&ei=1KVqUvPVG8mrkAe7g4GIAQ&usg=AFQjCNE_dggo_6GRr-glWxwQCoHy4SeADg&bvm=bv.55123115,d.eW0

[BB-35]

ah...if only that were true

It IS....

[Mister D]

Honestly, @jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719), I know GWB wasn't the best POTUS we ever had, but give him just a little credit. I don't think he "froze". I think he handled the initial information with grace and professionalism. He used those few moments to digest what he had been told; I could read on his face that his mind was racing to go through all the possible scenarios....the ramifications, what retaliation we should employ if any, notifications and discussions with military leaders, the process for mobilizing fighter jets, etc. etc. etc. It was to his credit that he didn't show any outward reaction....and I believe that was purposeful, so that the teachers and children would not be unnecessarily alarmed and panicky.

Some criticism of Bush was valid, some was just plain crazy, and some was just petty and spiteful. This falls in the latter category.

[nathanbforrest45]

My father in law is a Marine, my brother is a Marine and my nephew is a Marine. They are now telling everyone they were actually in the Coast Guard.

[Agravan]

riiiiiiight....


unlike the guy who froze for 7 minutes while reading my pet goat on 9.11... i'm sure

Was he supposed to jump up screaming and frighten the children?
he did not 'freeze' as you farleftnutjobs like to fantasize about.

[jillian]

Honestly, @jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719), I know GWB wasn't the best POTUS we ever had, but give him just a little credit. I don't think he "froze". I think he handled the initial information with grace and professionalism. He used those few moments to digest what he had been told; I could read on his face that his mind was racing to go through all the possible scenarios....the ramifications, what retaliation we should employ if any, notifications and discussions with military leaders, the process for mobilizing fighter jets, etc. etc. etc. It was to his credit that he didn't show any outward reaction....and I believe that was purposeful, so that the teachers and children would not be unnecessarily alarmed and panicky.

he froze. watch the video.

bush was the worst president in my lifetime. he didnt even handle the orders after the attacks, that was cheney.

if he were worried about the children, he could have gracefully excused himself and said "kids, i'm going to have to finish the story another time.... president business calls"

the fact is, he froze. he didn't know what to do. we knew it then and nothing has occurred to make that look any different.

[oceanloverOH]

he froze. watch the video.

bush was the worst president in my lifetime. he didnt even handle the orders after the attacks, that was cheney.

if he were worried about the children, he could have gracefully excused himself and said "kids, i'm going to have to finish the story another time.... president business calls"

the fact is, he froze. he didn't know what to do. we knew it then and nothing has occurred to make that look any different.

Horse hockey. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Codename Section]

So the entire story turned out to be total bullshit, just as I figured.

"The President in no way, shape, or form directed the Marine Corps to change our uniform cover," said Capt. Maureen Krebs, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps. "We're looking for a new cover for our female Marines for the primary reason that the former manufacturer went out of business. The Marine Corps has zero intention of changing the male cover."http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-marines-girly-hats-2013-10

Fauxrage over a New York Post article. Delicious.

Not just fauxrage, but fauxeresponse.

I never said he directed anyone to change the cover. I said (and you can look up in marine corps times as far back as 2012) that they wanted to make changes to our uniforms to make them friendlier to FMs which includes covers.

I also said that this was about the female cover many posts back and why before you or anyone else posted this, that the FMs covers were more expensive.

When people get pissed of course the administration will say the equivalent of "I did not have sex with that woman" because he probably didn't say specifically: Change their damn hats, but something more like, "we need a uniform they can both wear and look good in equally" and some fluff in the officer corps came up with this dumb idea.

That isn't a picture of a woman in a new hat there is a gay ass looking male marine wearing it. Why? Because they made a male prototype "just in case" they decided that it looked good on people.

Besides, they tested the new uniforms out already, like I said last night, and people (marines) were going to vote on it.

Like I said last night.

I know my USMC.


All y'all are welcome.

[Dangermouse]

He froze. Remaining in the real world for a moment, the USMC has announced that the President has had no part whatsoever in the hat selection process. That makes the rightie chorus of denigration simple lies. Lying isn't big and it isn't funny.

[Codename Section]

as opposed to this one?

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Yes. Bike helmets are for people who feel that what they are doing is dangerous, mountain bikers or speed cyclists. Not for riding around in a park. You look like a 10 year old.

[Codename Section]

He froze. Remaining in the real world for a moment, the USMC has announced that the President has had no part whatsoever in the hat selection process. That makes the rightie chorus of denigration simple lies. Lying isn't big and it isn't funny.

It isn't? I guess it wasn't funny when they lied and said Michele Bachman wanted to end Halloween.


But lets move on because you're serious about lying. What is the punishment for lying, do you think--or what should it be? If say someone lied about something. Say it was something much bigger than covers. Should they lose their job?

[Mister D]

Yes. Bike helmets are for people who feel that what they are doing is dangerous, mountain bikers or speed cyclists. Not for riding around in a park. You look like a 10 year old.

Right.

[BB-35]

he froze. watch the video.

bush was the worst president in my lifetime. he didnt even handle the orders after the attacks, that was cheney.

if he were worried about the children, he could have gracefully excused himself and said "kids, i'm going to have to finish the story another time.... president business calls"

the fact is, he froze. he didn't know what to do. we knew it then and nothing has occurred to make that look any different.

*sigh* he did NOT freeze,that's just so much petty bullsheet....

It's not like he sat at his desk in the capitol building,shaking for 45 minutes

[Ravi]

Honestly, @jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719), I know GWB wasn't the best POTUS we ever had, but give him just a little credit. I don't think he "froze". I think he handled the initial information with grace and professionalism. He used those few moments to digest what he had been told; I could read on his face that his mind was racing to go through all the possible scenarios....the ramifications, what retaliation we should employ if any, notifications and discussions with military leaders, the process for mobilizing fighter jets, etc. etc. etc. It was to his credit that he didn't show any outward reaction....and I believe that was purposeful, so that the teachers and children would not be unnecessarily alarmed and panicky.
I read on his face derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp....and after that the realization that he could get Saddam and show up his daddy.

[Ravi]

Not just fauxrage, but fauxeresponse.

I never said he directed anyone to change the cover. I said (and you can look up in marine corps times as far back as 2012) that they wanted to make changes to our uniforms to make them friendlier to FMs which includes covers.

I also said that this was about the female cover many posts back and why before you or anyone else posted this, that the FMs covers were more expensive.

When people get pissed of course the administration will say the equivalent of "I did not have sex with that woman" because he probably didn't say specifically: Change their damn hats, but something more like, "we need a uniform they can both wear and look good in equally" and some fluff in the officer corps came up with this dumb idea.

That isn't a picture of a woman in a new hat there is a gay ass looking male marine wearing it. Why? Because they made a male prototype "just in case" they decided that it looked good on people.

Besides, they tested the new uniforms out already, like I said last night, and people (marines) were going to vote on it.

Like I said last night.

I know my USMC.


All y'all are welcome.

Somehow you managed to misread my post. What part of the male covers not being changed did you fail to grasp?

[Agravan]

I read on his face derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp....and after that the realization that he could get Saddam and show up his daddy.

Oh, so you read it on his face.
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n418/eileen2008_bucket/well-alrighty-then1-1.gif#alrighty%20then

[Codename Section]

Somehow you managed to misread my post. What part of the male covers not being changed did you fail to grasp?

What part of my post from yesterday where I said they had a test barracks of the new uniform and covers did you miss? What part of the post where I said had they voted for change we'd have changed covers did you fail to grasp?

I was in the Marine Corps when they were reviewing uniform change, not reading about it on liberal or conservative blogs.

They always test this shit out and like I said yesterday they tested it out on a group of Marines who have a lot of formal functions.

The Marines voted "no" which is why the male cover isn't being changed.

Grasp that?

[Blackrook]

My guess is that Bush was following the protocols when he did not jump out of his chair, run around the room screaming "Oh my God! The nation is under attack!!!" in front of a bunch of kindergartners.

[Codename Section]

My guess is that Bush was following the protocols when he did not jump out of his chair, run around the room screaming "Oh my God! The nation is under attack!!!" in front of a bunch of kindergartners.

He could have stood up and said he had to do go presidential things. Of course, Obama would need to read what to say on a teleprompter in order to leave a class full of school children, so I don't get their point either.

[Ravi]

What part of my post from yesterday where I said they had a test barracks of the new uniform and covers did you miss? What part of the post where I said had they voted for change we'd have changed covers did you fail to grasp?

I was in the Marine Corps when they were reviewing uniform change, not reading about it on liberal or conservative blogs.

They always test this shit out and like I said yesterday they tested it out on a group of Marines who have a lot of formal functions.

The Marines voted "no" which is why the male cover isn't being changed.

Grasp that?
No offense, but the words of the woman currently serving have more meaning than the words of an anonymous person on a messageboard with an agenda.

[Codename Section]

No offense, but the words of the woman currently serving have more meaning than the words of an anonymous person on a messageboard with an agenda.

With all due respect, it isn't necessary to act like a witch just because you have a witch icon. I don't have an "agenda". I confirmed what she said before you even posted what she said. That would be the day before you posted it, so if I have an agenda I'd like to know what it is.

Also, while we're on the subject she didn't say anything but that the president isn't changing male marine covers and that he didn't order a change of hats--something I never said that he did. I said it came down from the CIC that we were to make FMs feel less like FMs and just "marines" and dress clothing was part of it. I also told you where you could look it up online Marine Corps Times several posts back. There should be several articles since 2012 about it.

If you go back far enough you see when we were arguing about a change in our cammies, as well.

So Ravi, before you talk about other people's "agendas" maybe you ought to check your own at the door, first.

[ChoppedLiver]

They have been dubbed the “Dan Daly” hat, after a sergeant from Long Island who won the Medal of Honor in World War I.
But some Marines love the old hat, which has been in use since 1922 and think the new hat is a glorified “porter’s cap.”

The Marines might have been using that hat long before 1922...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z01hhmGnIU

Fast forward to about 3:05 and you'll see a Marine guard patrolling the San Franfreako streets after the 1906 earthquake.

:cool: