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patrickt
11-06-2013, 05:39 PM
I realize President Obama has said he never said that if you liked your health insurance you can keep it, period. He never said that no one was going to take it away from you. But, I've also seem some of the 29 videotaped times he did say it. Even left-wing nutjobs admit he said it. Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz admitted he said it, the same day he denied saying it, but explained he wasn't lying and that no one was going to take the insurance away.
So, my question is:
A. Did President Obama lie when he said that if you like your insurance policy, you could keep it, period?
B. Or the Wasserman Defense being that he said it and despite reports of people having their policies cancelled, it wasn't a lie.
C. Or, he said it and thought it was true even though it isn't.
D. Whether or not he lied is irrelevant, he needed to say that to get the bill passed and honesty isn't really an issue.
Chris
11-06-2013, 05:44 PM
That's just the way government works.
Was just reading the following which explains.
Markets Versus Government: Real Alternatives Versus Possibilities (http://blog.independent.org/2013/11/05/markets-versus-government-real-alternatives-versus-possibilities/)
...One difference between choice in markets versus choice in government is that in markets, people choose among alternatives that already exist, whereas with government, people choose among alternatives that might exist in the future. When people cast their dollar votes, sellers in markets already have the products available, whereas when they vote at the ballot box, they are choosing among sellers (candidates) who advertise products they hope to produce if they are elected.
When George W. Bush ran for president in 2000, one of the products he offered voters was social security reform, but he was never able to deliver. When Barack Obama ran for president in 2008, one of the products he offered voters was health care reform, which he was able to deliver. But now that people see what the product is like, some are not so enamored with it. Unions, who campaigned hard for Obamacare, don’t want their workers covered by it, and in the news lately, many people who are unable to keep their current health insurance because it does not meet the plan’s mandates are upset. When people choose a hypothetical product that might exist in the future, they should not be surprised if the actual product does not live up to the expectations created by its promoters.
Imagine if you went to an automobile showroom to buy a car, and instead of looking at actual cars, you listened to a salesman tell you what kind of car he could have ready for you in the next few years, if you buy now. To maintain the analogy, the car you buy would not even be designed yet. The salesman would just be telling you how he hoped the design would work out. No pictures, no plans, just hope and change. Very likely, when you saw the actual car, it would not quite be what you were hoping for when you bought in. Partly, this is because it is difficult to anticipate all the trade-offs that go into designing a product, and partly it is because sales people may have an incentive to oversell the positives and overlook the negatives.
Automobile manufacturers build the cars first and then show customers the cars they can drive today. In the political process, the products are sold before they are designed or built. That process is bound to bring disappointment to buyers....
Personally, I'm tired of buying political pipe dreams.
Codename Section
11-06-2013, 05:45 PM
I realize President Obama has said he never said that if you liked your health insurance you can keep it, period. He never said that no one was going to take it away from you. But, I've also seem some of the 29 videotaped times he did say it. Even left-wing nutjobs admit he said it. Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz admitted he said it, the same day he denied saying it, but explained he wasn't lying and that no one was going to take the insurance away.
So, my question is:
A. Did President Obama lie when he said that if you like your insurance policy, you could keep it, period?
B. Or the Wasserman Defense being that he said it and despite reports of people having their policies cancelled, it wasn't a lie.
C. Or, he said it and thought it was true even though it isn't.
D. Whether or not he lied is irrelevant, he needed to say that to get the bill passed and honesty isn't really an issue.
He's on video saying people could keep it but the partisans on here will say "Space aliens from planet TeaBaggia made that video and even if they didn't fuck off."
They honestly don't care.
I will say this again. Obama could take an AR-15 with a 100 round mag, shoot the black baby of a lesbian couple in the middle of an airplane during a flight and jillian, cigar, and junie would say that's okay because Bush got us into Iraq.
They fucking don't care what he does. They only care if Rand Paul didn't cite sources properly. Ruin the 4th amendment? Fine. Drop drones on kids? Fine. Spy on Americans? Fine. Spy on the press? Fine. Just don't use a link in your book, source it right.
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