NYPD Document: Gather Intel of Shi'a At Shia Mosques.....

[MMC]

NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Police Department recommended increasing surveillance of thousands of Shiite Muslims and their mosques, based solely on their religion, as a way to sweep the Northeast for signs of Iranian terrorists, according to interviews and a newly obtained secret police document.
The document offers a rare glimpse into the thinking of NYPD intelligence officers and how, when looking for potential threats, they focused their spying efforts on mosques and Muslims. Police analysts listed a dozen mosques from central Connecticut to the Philadelphia suburbs. None has been linked to terrorism, either in the document or publicly by federal agencies.
The Associated Press has reported for months that the NYPD infiltrated mosques, eavesdropped in cafes and monitored Muslim neighborhoods with plainclothes officers. Its spying operations were begun after the 2001 terror attacks with help from the CIA in a highly unusual partnership.

The NYPD is prohibited under its own guidelines and city law from basing its investigations on religion. Under FBI guidelines, which the NYPD says it follows, many of the recommendations in the police document would be prohibited.

Police estimated the New York area Shiite population to be about 35,000, with Iranians making up about 8,500. The document also calls for canvassing the Palestinian community because there might be terrorists there.
"The Palestinian community, although not Shi'a, should also be assessed due to presence of Hamas members and sympathizers and the group's relationship with the Iranian government," analysts wrote.

The secret document stands in contrast to statements by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who said the NYPD never considers religion in its policing. Kelly has said police go only where investigative leads take them, but the document described no leads to justify expanded surveillance at Shiite mosques.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/nypd-document-gather-intel-shiite-mosques-174553869.html

The change that came.....CIA operating In the US on US Soil! :undecided:

[Conley]

This is what I mean about the police becoming militarized...and they are spying on U.S. citizens with no probable cause. This is a complete waste of taxpayer money and resources. Good thing there's no more crime in NYC so they can focus on mosques in Connecticut. :rollseyes:

[MMC]

Police estimated the New York area Shiite population to be about 35,000, with Iranians making up about 8,500. The document also calls for canvassing the Palestinian community because there might be terrorists there.

A current law enforcement official, also familiar with the report, said that since it was issued the NYPD learned that Hezbollah was more political than religious and concluded that it's not effective to monitor Shiites.

Iran is an overwhelmingly Shiite country, but Shiites are a small percentage of the U.S. Muslim population. By contrast, al-Qaida is a Sunni organization and many U.S. leaders consider Shiite clerics as allies in the fight against homegrown extremism. Shiites are often oppressed overseas and many have sought asylum in the West.

Even now, the U.S. remains particularly concerned with Iran, not only because of its nuclear research but also because intelligence officials don't believe they know how Iranian sympathizers inside the United States would respond if the two countries went to war. By far, the largest group of Iranians in the U.S. lives in or around Los Angeles. Yet the NYPD, with a smaller Iranian population that police estimated at about 8,500 in New York City, shared the concerns about reactions to an open military conflict.

The AP showed the document to several veteran counterterrorism analysts. None said they had seen anything like it.
"It's really problematic if you make a jump from a possible international conflict to saying therefore we need to monitor Shiite mosques writ large," said Brian Fishman, the former research director at West Point's Combatting Terrorism Center. "It doesn't follow."

"Any time that you begin to isolate certain communities from a policing perspective because you think there's risk, you have the potential that somebody overreaches," said Robert Riegle, a former Department of Homeland Security analyst who oversaw efforts to work with state and local agencies.

"After 1,400 years, the Shias are being targeted in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, everywhere," Imam Malik Sakhawat Hussain said after being told that his mosque was in the NYPD document. "If U.S. authorities become suspicious of the Shias, I would say we are a very oppressed community of the world."

The intelligence unit operates in secrecy with little outside oversight. The City Council is not told about secret intelligence programs. And though the unit operates under the auspices of a federal anti-drug task force and receives federal money, it is not overseen by Congress. The Obama administration, including the Justice Department, has repeatedly sidestepped questions about whether it endorses the NYPD's tactics.....snip~

Seems the (Secret Police)Homeland Security knew all along and in association with the FBI. Their concerned what would take place here in the US if we go to war. What attacks will start to take place round here. Not only would the police engage but so to would US Citizens. Then there would be arrests for going after those who made attacks jump off here in the US.

I don't they considered the American propensity for Revenge!




Sorry, I had to break for the pup as he was getting into stuff as usual.

[MMC]

The document also suggests a broader international intelligence mission than the department has previously acknowledged. The NYPD has officers stationed in 11 foreign cities such as London, Paris, Madrid, and Tel Aviv, where they work with local police and act as the NYPD's eyes and ears overseas.

In their recommendations for the foreign liaison unit, analysts wrote that officers should: "Focus international intelligence collection on the Iranian threat, to include the activities of the IIS, Hezbollah, Hamas etc. throughout Europe and the Middle East."

NYPD officers abroad are not supposed to be spies and do not answer to the U.S. director of national intelligence or the CIA station chiefs who coordinate America's efforts to gather intelligence on Iran. In fact, the NYPD's international officers aren't even paid by the department. Rather, the program is paid for through a nonprofit foundation that raises money from corporate donors.

It has not previously been known that the NYPD would consider gathering overseas intelligence on Iranian intelligence services. The police department does not disclose details about the inner workings of the international program to the City Council, to Congress or to U.S. intelligence agencies.

People need to start waking up concerning Law Enforcement around Major Cities.....paid for by Private Donors and a Non Profit Organization. All within a Police Dept that has an Internal Affairs Dept. An Auditing Dept. Special Task Forces and Para-military Units(swat-teams) and no oversight by any polticians or any other LE's and National Security Agencies.

[Peter1469]

Intelligence belongs with the warfighters. Away from law enforcement. Law enforcement is to protect and serve. Not snoop and destroy. If intel finds enemies of the US who are at war with us, they should be targeted and engaged. Eliminate the threat.

[MMC]

The Arabs would not want to pull off bombings here like they do in other countries. We have to many gang-bangers that would be about popping any of them anywheres and at all times. Which could lead to wiping out of whole communites.

One looks and they are always talking about armed militias overseas. But truthfully Banger Organizations and Gangs are what? Groups like Hells Angels, Outlaws, and then even orgnaized Crime.

These are things they do not deal with in the ME. Despite their conflicts with each other.

[wingrider]

yeppers I thing bot you MMC and Pete got it right, If the muslims extremists were to do anything here like they do in other countrys,, there are an awful lot of gang members, mafioso types and red necks who would armed , willing and able to take out anyone that they consider a threat no matter what.. I am afraid that it would mean a few innocent people would be targeted but that is what happens when people don't control there own people that are radicallised

I won't say that all muslims are terrorists but I will say that all terrorists are muslim, if the muslim people don't crack down on those of there faith that are extremists then we will have no choice but to defend ourselves.

[MMC]

I wouldnt say all terrorists are Muslim. Althought I wouldnt throw the terminology out there for those that are fighting an insurrection or that are using guerilla warfare to take it to their enemies, as Terrorists either.

Moreover Arabs wouldnt start bombing Christians and doing anything to them here in this country. As they know American Christians will Arm themselves. Certain ones. That Americans will not put up with that BS as they want to get back to their lives and TV.

[wingrider]

yeppers don't make christian Americans miss their favorite TBN broadcast, that will get you shot.. is that what yu are trying to tell me?

HMMMMMMM

[wingrider]

seems to me every terrorist we have killed or captured in the last 12 years has been muslim.. funny how that works

[MMC]

yeppers don't make christian Americans miss their favorite TBN broadcast, that will get you shot.. is that what yu are trying to tell me?

HMMMMMMM

Uh huh that and CSI (insert city)and Justified! :laugh:

[MMC]

seems to me every terrorist we have killed or captured in the last 12 years has been muslim.. funny how that works

Ah, just wait until we start looking at South and Central America. :wink:

[Conley]

seems to me every terrorist we have killed or captured in the last 12 years has been muslim.. funny how that works

There are guys like McVeigh, Kaczinsky, etc. Granted they are the exception.

[MMC]

There is the Red Brigade in Germany, some Asians groups as well as some in Africa too.

[Conley]

There is the Red Brigade in Germany, some Asians groups as well as some in Africa too.

We are defining terrorists as those who deliberately target civilians, right? Thankfully we don't have much of that at all in this country. We've had those snipers too but no real cause associated with them. There was the white guy who killed all those kids in kids in Norway too. Can't remember if the black guy and his kid who terrorized DC were Muslim or not, and why they did what they did.

[MMC]

Yep or at the very least have no qualms about killing civillians in order to achieve their goals.

Technically all gang-bangers here in the US would be classified as terrorists. Probably are on Homeland Securities Lists.