Obamacare harbinger? Venezuelan government-run health care system collapsing

[Professor Peabody]

Obamacare harbinger? Venezuelan government-run health care system collapsing

By Cheryl K. Chumley - The Washington Times Friday, November 8, 2013

Venezuela's government-run health care system is in shambles, with doctors sending cancer patients home and ill citizens suffering everything from tumors to glaucoma.

Doctors in the nation say she’s one of many suffering from government mismanagement of the state-run health care system. Private hospitals are over-tasked, and while the nation has seen the opening of hundreds of clinics, those facilities don’t treat serious illnesses, AP reported.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/8/venezuelan-health-care-system-collapses/

Don't think that can happen here?


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Avik Roy Avik Roy, Contributor

Well, yesterday on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/

The far left-wing nuts like Reid won't stop trying unless we stop them. We have our chance come this time next year. Party line Democrat Senators will just fall in line for what ever Reid tells them. I have already put both my Democrat Senators on notice, that if they don't work to repeal Obama Care, they'll never get my vote....ever. Not that it will do any good, but it made me feel better. My only regret is neither of the two Blockhead Senators from California or Harry Reid is up for re-election in 2014.

[Cigar]

I hope you don't slit your wrist after March 31th :laugh:

[Professor Peabody]

I hope you don't slit your wrist after March 31th :laugh:

I would never do that, but you might after Nov 4th 2014.

[patrickt]

"Ministers are being urged to take ‘urgent action’ after cancer patients in Scotland were given access to another drug not available in England and Wales."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2502032/Scots-drug-Axitinib-treat-kidney-cancer-denied-English.html

Government-run medicine is great for politicians and healthy citizens. It's only logical that the people who lose $76,000,000 in a slush fund for the Obamacare rollout should be in charge of your health care.

[Captain Obvious]

It's funny how liberals all trumpet how great healthcare is in these banana republic countries, yet they ALL still have their heavy-duty medical stuff done here.

That may be changing here though, once this kicks in, we may be looking to the Cuba's and Venezuela's of the world for our services.

[patrickt]

Actually, it will be a boon to the healthcare industry in Mexico. Mexico gets Europeans, Americans, and Canadians here for dental work and a lot of Americans for plastic surgery.

But, the good news is that breast implants are covered by the NHS in England.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Breast-implants/Pages/Introduction.aspx

[countryboy]

Don't think that can happen here?



The far left-wing nuts like Reid won't stop trying unless we stop them. We have our chance come this time next year. Party line Democrat Senators will just fall in line for what ever Reid tells them. I have already put both my Democrat Senators on notice, that if they don't work to repeal Obama Care, they'll never get my vote....ever. Not that it will do any good, but it made me feel better. My only regret is neither of the two Blockhead Senators from California or Harry Reid is up for re-election in 2014. Green Arrow, I thought single payer was not even on the map.

[jillian]

Don't think that can happen here?

just going to point out that every civilized country in the world takes care of it's population....

except for us.

[countryboy]

just going to point out that every civilized country in the world takes care of it's population....

except for us.

We used to, then came OBAMADONTCARE. Now, people are getting the rug yanked out from under them in droves.

[Professor Peabody]

just going to point out that every civilized country in the world takes care of it's population....

except for us.

These are from just the last 12 months or so.

Dementia victims 'have twice the risk of dying in hospital while a third are not properly diagnosed by staff' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2291903/Dementia-victims-twice-risk-dying-hospital-properly-diagnosed-staff.html)

University professor, 37, dies from lung cancer after string of doctors dismissed symptoms as 'anxiety and depression' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2290128/University-professor-37-dies-lung-cancer-doctors-dismissed-symptoms-anxiety-depression.html)

Premature twins died after being given 10 times too much morphine, nursing tribunal hears (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2291635/Premature-twins-died-given-10-times-morphine-nursing-tribunal-hears.html)

Failings in NHS cost 30,000 lives every year (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3705625.ece)

Inspections highlight 'barbaric' home care failings (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9866111/Inspections-highlight-barbaric-home-care-failings.html)

NHS watchdog to tackle malnutrition in hospitals (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/03/nhs-watchdog-malnutrition-hospitals)

Elderly warned of growing isolation as face-to-face care cut (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9868594/Elderly-warned-of-growing-isolation-as-face-to-face-care-cut.html)

Family of RAF's finest who shot V1 rockets out the sky forced to sell medals to pay for care home (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9894728/Family-of-RAFs-finest-who-shot-V1-rockets-out-the-sky-forced-to-sell-medals-to-pay-for-care-home.html)

Closing the Independent Living Fund shows how low the government will go (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/closing-independent-living-fund-disabled-care)

Elderly patients diagnosed with 'acopia' - a disease that does not exist (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9906903/Elderly-patients-diagnosed-with-acopia-a-disease-that-does-not-exist.html)

Mid-Staffs scandal: Sir David Nicholson could face corporate manslaughter and misconduct charges (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9913790/Mid-Staffs-scandal-Sir-David-Nicholson-could-face-corporate-manslaughter-and-misconduct-charges.html)

Growing fears of Bolton hospital death rate 'cover up' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/put-patients-first/9913889/Growing-fears-of-Bolton-hospital-death-rate-cover-up.html)

Patients 'are still in danger from nurses who can't speak English' say MPs, as they call for urgent action (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2288802/Patients-danger-nurses-speak-English-say-MPs-watchdog-calls-urgent-action.html)

Older diabetics are suffering 'needless' amputations and blindness because they get the worst care (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2288583/Older-diabetics-suffering-needless-amputations-blindness-worst-care.html)

Pensioner placed on Liverpool Care Pathway WITHOUT family's permission dies after spending eight days without food or water (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289033/Pensioner-placed-Liverpool-Care-Pathway-WITHOUT-familys-permission-dies-spending-days-food-water.html)

‘Basic errors in care cause kidney deaths’ (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3712812.ece)

Choosing a GP means gambling with your life – this must stop (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/put-patients-first/9915750/Choosing-a-GP-means-gambling-with-your-life-this-must-stop.html<br />)

Seventeen NHS hospitals have dangerously low numbers of nurses (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/heal-our-hospitals/9797839/Seventeen-NHS-hospitals-have-dangerously-low-numbers-of-nurses.html<br />)

Hospital patients won’t complain for fear of retribution (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3715044.ece<br />)

New avoidable-deaths scandal to put more pressure on NHS chief (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3716023.ece)

Nurse linked to the death of premature twins killed by '10 times too much morphine' is allowed to keep working (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2294117/Nurse-linked-death-premature-twins-killed-huge-dose-morphine-allowed-working.html)

NHS neglect: elderly patients ‘denied help with food’ (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3716852.ece)

Hip fracture patients suffering 'indefensible postcode lottery' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9938484/Hip-fracture-patients-suffering-indefensible-postcode-lottery.html)

Snap inspections expose scandal of 'institutionalised abuse' in care homes and hospitals (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9938660/Snap-inspections-expose-scandal-of-institutionalised-abuse-in-care-homes-and-hospitals.html)

Children's lives are being put at risk by a 'chronic shortage' of hospital doctors on weekends and evenings (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2307535/Childrens-lives-risk-chronic-shortage-hospital-doctors-weekends.html)

Hospital that left patients lying in soiled sheets and shivering with cold is given a stark warning to improve by health watchdog (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2340169/Hospital-left-patients-lying-soiled-sheets-shivering-cold-given-stark-warning-improve-health-watchdog.html)

Mother-of-three dies of meningitis just five days after being admitted to hospital with EARACHE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2343112/Mother-dies-meningitis-just-days-admitted-hospital-EARACHE.html)

A&E patients being forced to wait in ambulances for up to eight hours because of lack of beds (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352121/A-E-patients-forced-wait-ambulances-hours-lack-beds.html)

An unprecedented crisis is approaching, say the health service’s most senior figures (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/special-report-this-cant-go-on--nhs-chiefs-urge-new-debate-on-health-service-reforms-8701302.html)

Number of patients being tied up and locked in rooms by care staff DOUBLES as MPs issue warning about hospital abuse (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2398292/Number-patients-tied-locked-rooms-care-staff-DOUBLES-MPs-issue-warning-hospital-abuse.html)

Thousands dying of thirst on NHS: Watchdog forced to issue guidelines on giving patients water (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2403501/Thousands-dying-thirst-NHS-Watchdog-forced-issue-guidelines-giving-patients-water.html)

Woman who was sterilised is horrified to discover metal surgical clip had travelled from her groin to her CHEST (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2402678/Woman-sterilised-horrified-discover-metal-surgical-clip-travelled-groin-CHEST.html)

'My daughter was sent home from A&E to die of croup': Grieving mother to sue hospital after one-year-old's death (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2402739/My-daughter-sent-home-A-E-die-croup-Grieving-mother-sues-hospital.html)

The little girl who could have been saved from meningitis - by jab NHS refuses to fund (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2401390/Eleanor-Coneybeare-saved-meningitis--jab-NHS-refuses-fund.html)

Concerns over nursery worker who raped child 'were not investigated' (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/aug/27/ofsted-council-rape-toddler-nursery)

GPs predict longer waiting times - survey (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23724215)

NHS waiting lists are longest in five years (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10246145/NHS-waiting-lists-are-longest-in-five-years.html)

Pensioner died in agony after developing a horrific bedsore in hospital which left her spine exposed (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2426993/Pensioner-died-agony-developing-horrific-bedsore-hospital-left-spine-exposed.html)

Grandmother, 55, died from cervical cancer after her GP dismissed her symptoms as the MENOPAUSE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2423611/Grandmother-55-died-cervical-cancer-GP-dismissed-symptoms-MENOPAUSE.html)

Children left disabled by meningitis after GPs failed to diagnose them are paid £28m in compensation (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2424488/Children-left-disabled-meningitis-GPs-failed-diagnose-paid-28m-compensation.html)

Girl, two, 'died after doctors failed to talk to each other about MRI scan that showed she had water on the brain' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449523/Alice-Mason-died-doctors-failed-discuss-MRI-scan.html)

Surge in elderly abuse and neglect claims (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/10356294/Surge-in-elderly-abuse-and-neglect-claims.html)

'I would worry if my family was taken to hospital at weekends': NHS boss admits he is concerned about staffing levels (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468613/NHS-boss-Keith-Willett-admits-concerned-staffing-levels-A-E.html)

How GPs are paid £50 bonus to put elderly on 'death lists' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468112/Revealed-How-GPs-paid-50-bonus-elderly-death-lists.html)

Christian missionary, 49, died of heart failure and brain damage after waiting more than an HOUR for ambulance to arrive (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2464711/Christian-missionary-died-waiting-HOUR-ambulance.html)

That's not looking real civilized to me.

[Green Arrow]

@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868), I thought single payer was not even on the map.

I didn't say it wasn't on the map. I'm sure we will get it eventually, because Obamacare is doomed to fail. What I have said is that Reid, Pelosi, Obama, and co. are not pushing for it, at all. Every now and then, they drop a token acquiescence to it to keep the base happy, but their actions show the truth of the matter.

[Professor Peabody]

I didn't say it wasn't on the map. I'm sure we will get it eventually, because Obamacare is doomed to fail. What I have said is that Reid, Pelosi, Obama, and co. are not pushing for it, at all. Every now and then, they drop a token acquiescence to it to keep the base happy, but their actions show the truth of the matter.

That's not what creepy Uncle Harry has to say.


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Avik Roy Avik Roy, Contributor

Well, yesterday on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/

He says it's his goal.

[Green Arrow]

That's not what creepy Uncle Harry has to say.

He says it's his goal.

I addressed this in the post you quoted. It's like Obama claiming you can keep your insurance under Obamacare: a lie.

[Professor Peabody]

I addressed this in the post you quoted. It's like Obama claiming you can keep your insurance under Obamacare: a lie. So you're saying Harry lied "on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.” Do you have any proof of that?

[Green Arrow]

So you're saying Harry lied "on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.” Do you have any proof of that?

I'd say his actions are proof enough. He's done absolutely nothing to push for single-payer, and the one time another Democrat pushed for it in 2009 with bipartisan support as an alternative to not-yet-passed Obamacare, Reid smacked it down hard without even considering it.