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The Wash
11-12-2013, 03:49 PM
I was asked earlier about my beliefs and who I agreed with, and while I am still reserving judgment on him I agree with a lot of what he has to say


http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/02/25/minister-farrakhan-stresses-need-for-economic-self-reliance-in-black-community/

He called on his followers to pool “pennies, nickels and dimes,” a total of 35 cents from each wage earner every week, to amass wealth that would be used to buy farms and other land. He said he would turn to “gang-bangers” to protect their property.


“America is for sale,” Farrakhan said. “But we are not owning it. We helped build this. Our sweat and blood was used to protect it. Shouldn’t we be co-owners of it? You’ve got to think like that now. I don’t want to walk streets that we don’t own.”


Ishmael Muhammad, the Nation of Islam’s national assistant minister, told the Associated Press that the Nation has more than 1,500 acres of farmland in Georgia and is looking to buy thousands more acres in the Midwest.


Minister Farrakhan had harsh words for the black community for its spending habits, which he said included $3.3 billion a year on tobacco, $3 billion on whiskey, wine and beer, $2.8 billion on non-alcoholic beverages and $19 billion a year on telephone services.


“No wonder the FBI knows everything about you,” Farrakhan said.


Economic self-reliance has long been a key aspect of the Nation of Islam’s message since its founding in the 1930′s.
Farrakhan touched on the national gun debate and its connection to the violence that has brought a national spotlight to Chicago.


“That’s where the Second Amendment comes in for us,” he said.


He said the constitutional right to bear arms is not even relevant in the black community because the community is flooded with illegal weapons. He did say, however, that he respects the value of the Second Amendment in warding off government tyranny.


“The Second Amendment has no relevance to the black community in this sense,” he said. “All your weapons are illegal and you’re using them like a savage people.”

The Xl
11-12-2013, 04:03 PM
I'm not really a big mark for Farrakhan because he seems racist to me, but I can't deny that he's spot on in a lot of what he says. He also says dumb shit, like 20 something year old white folk like me should pay reparations. I don't owe anyone shit. My family were poor Europeans anyway, no one in my bloodline owned any slaves ever.

Mister D
11-12-2013, 04:04 PM
I have no problem with black racialism. He has a good message overall. There is no doubt that he says some questionable things but the media focuses on them instead of the overall gist.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 04:04 PM
I'm not really a big mark for Farrakhan because he seems racist to me, but I can't deny that he's spot on in a lot of what he says. He also says dumb shit, like 20 something year old white folk like me should pay reparations. I don't owe anyone shit. My family were poor Europeans anyway, no one in my bloodline owned any slaves ever.

I'm not saying I agree with that or everything he says but he does make a lot of sense.

Mister D
11-12-2013, 04:05 PM
I'm not really a big mark for Farrakhan because he seems racist to me, but I can't deny that he's spot on in a lot of what he says. He also says dumb shit, like 20 something year old white folk like me should pay reparations. I don't owe anyone shit. My family were poor Europeans anyway, no one in my bloodline owned any slaves ever.

I couldn't care less if my great grandfather was Hitler. I don't owe anyone jack shit.

The Xl
11-12-2013, 04:05 PM
I couldn't care less if my great grandfather was Hitler. I don't owe anyone jack shit.

Agreed 100%.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 04:06 PM
I'm not saying that 200 years later the kids of George Washington pay up. I'm talking about his attitude towards blacks and getting us to be savers, business owners, and community builders.

The Xl
11-12-2013, 04:07 PM
I'm not saying I agree with that or everything he says but he does make a lot of sense.

He does make a lot of sense when talking about the real power structure. The one thing I hate, though, is despite the fact that he knows who really runs the show, he always makes excuses for "brother Barack." Dude damn well knows better, but he only does that because Obama is black.

Mister D
11-12-2013, 04:10 PM
Gotta admit I used to hate the guy until I realized who the real enemy is.

Mister D
11-12-2013, 04:11 PM
I'm not saying that 200 years later the kids of George Washington pay up. I'm talking about his attitude towards blacks and getting us to be savers, business owners, and community builders.

Which is what I admire in his message. It's often overlooked and perhaps purposely.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 04:15 PM
He does make a lot of sense when talking about the real power structure. The one thing I hate, though, is despite the fact that he knows who really runs the show, he always makes excuses for "brother Barack." Dude damn well knows better, but he only does that because Obama is black.

He aint been doing no brother Barack this year.

The Xl
11-12-2013, 04:18 PM
He aint been doing no brother Barack this year.

I honestly haven't seen any of his new stuff, within the last year or so, so that's good to hear. Took him long enough. I had a hard time taking him seriously with that brother Barack shit.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 04:27 PM
I honestly haven't seen any of his new stuff, within the last year or so, so that's good to hear. Took him long enough. I had a hard time taking him seriously with that brother Barack shit.

Dude's been throwing coups, killing Muslims all over the world...what's there to love about him?

The Xl
11-12-2013, 04:29 PM
Dude's been throwing coups, killing Muslims all over the world...what's there to love about him?

That's really why I was confused and annoyed at Farrakhan for all of these years. Why the fuck would he make excuses for a dude that hurts blacks and Muslims? It just made him seem like a dumbass racist, honestly. I'm glad to see that he finally came around, though.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 04:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4l2UE_g4Uw

The Xl
11-12-2013, 04:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4l2UE_g4Uw

I'll watch this when I get the time later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for posting it.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 04:39 PM
No problem man, I'm all about educating people towards the Truth and that is that the system is a lie.

jillian
11-12-2013, 05:30 PM
I'm not really a big mark for Farrakhan because he seems racist to me, but I can't deny that he's spot on in a lot of what he says. He also says dumb shit, like 20 something year old white folk like me should pay reparations. I don't owe anyone shit. My family were poor Europeans anyway, no one in my bloodline owned any slaves ever.

seems racist?

he called judsiam a 'dirty religion'. he did more to create a rift between blacks and jews than malcolm x ever did, because his stock in trade was divisiveness and he knew he had to make black people forget that it was jews who marched with them for civil rights in order to empower himself and jessie "hymietown" jackson. he was full of racial hatred as well, and it was only after malcolm went to mecca and saw muslims of every shade that he knew he'd been lied to.

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 05:38 PM
seems racist?

he called judsiam a 'dirty religion'. he did more to create a rift between blacks and jews than malcolm x ever did, because his stock in trade was divisiveness and he knew he had to make black people forget that it was jews who marched with them for civil rights in order to empower himself and jessie "hymietown" jackson. he was full of racial hatred as well, and it was only after malcolm went to mecca and saw muslims of every shade that he knew he'd been lied to.

Technically lots of whites marched, but we probably shouldn't take credit for another man's steam.

As with everyone I like some things they say and don't like things they say. I love everything Rev Al Sharpton says because no one, and I mean, no one says The LAWD like he does.

http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1376822125442485964.jpg

The Xl
11-12-2013, 05:44 PM
seems racist?

he called judsiam a 'dirty religion'. he did more to create a rift between blacks and jews than malcolm x ever did, because his stock in trade was divisiveness and he knew he had to make black people forget that it was jews who marched with them for civil rights in order to empower himself and jessie "hymietown" jackson. he was full of racial hatred as well, and it was only after malcolm went to mecca and saw muslims of every shade that he knew he'd been lied to.

Farrakhan is no Dr. King, and no one should try to make him out to be. Dr. Kings message of equality and harmony between races is a much better message than Farrakhans message of black nationalism, and something that resonates with me a lot more. No one race is better than another, we're all individuals. I grew up with a ton of black and hispanic friends who enriched my life, and Farrakhan and other black and white nationalists would like to see the races segregated to prevent anything of the sort. I think it's an ignorant and borderline despicable message.

That said, he still is correct about a lot of things. He knows who really runs the country, he knows the Fed Reserve is the most powerful branch of government, he knows the wars are bullshit, he knows gun control hurts the black community, etc.

jillian
11-12-2013, 05:46 PM
Technically lots of whites marched, but we probably shouldn't take credit for another man's steam.

As with everyone I like some things they say and don't like things they say. I love everything Rev Al Sharpton says because no one, and I mean, no one says The LAWD like he does.



lots of people marched. but jews were the first ones down to register voters and march. you can like that or not or agree or not. but given jewish history, it was felt to be a moral imperative. that relationship didn't change until after the Bakke decision and the inflammatory rhetoric of people like jackson and farrakhan.

as for rev al, he has toned down the race baiting a bit. but he made a career out of dividing people for a while.

jillian
11-12-2013, 05:47 PM
Farrakhan is no Dr. King, and no one should try to make him out to be. Dr. Kings message of equality and harmony between races is a much better message than Farrakhans message of black nationalism, and something that resonates with me a lot more. No one race is better than another, we're all individuals. I grew up with a ton of black and hispanic friends who enriched my life, and Farrakhan and other black and white nationalists would like to see the races segregated to prevent anything of the sort. I think it's an ignorant and borderline despicable message.

That said, he still is correct about a lot of things. He knows who really runs the country, he knows the Fed Reserve is the most powerful branch of government, he knows the wars are bullshit, he knows gun control hurts the black community, etc.

he said jews really run the country…. which is funny since the CEO's of most banks are white anglo saxon protestants.

last i checked no jew has ever been, or ever will be, president.

so what did he say that was true?

The Xl
11-12-2013, 05:49 PM
he said jews really run the country…. which is funny since the CEO's of most banks are white anglo saxon protestants.

last i checked no jew has ever been, or ever will be, president.

so what did he say that was true?

I'm speaking more of the power structure than the religion or race of said power structure. Bankers, the Fed Reserve, the military industrial complex, etc, run the country and the government, and he sees that. He might or might not have gotten the religion of said higher ups wrong, but he realizes the occupation of the shadow government.

jillian
11-12-2013, 05:51 PM
I'm speaking more of the power structure than the religion or race of said power structure. Bankers, the Fed Reserve, the military industrial complex, etc, run the country and the government, and he sees that. He might or might not have gotten the religion of said higher ups wrong, but he realizes the occupation of the shadow government.

you can't separate those things from his anti-semitism because his rhetoric was infected with it.

Kabuki Joe
11-12-2013, 06:23 PM
Gotta admit I used to hate the guy until I realized who the real enemy is.


...hate is a strong term for anyone...I don't really hate anyone...it takes a lot of effort to hate someone, more effort then it's worth...

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 06:27 PM
lots of people marched. but jews were the first ones down to register voters and march. you can like that or not or agree or not. but given jewish history, it was felt to be a moral imperative. that relationship didn't change until after the Bakke decision and the inflammatory rhetoric of people like jackson and farrakhan.

as for rev al, he has toned down the race baiting a bit. but he made a career out of dividing people for a while.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm being cautious and saying that it was blacks who started this years before anyone else joined in. It's their movement and they get credit for it.

That's all. Now I'll tiptoe out of the thread. ((tiptoes out))

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 06:29 PM
you can't separate those things from his anti-semitism because his rhetoric was infected with it.

He also doesn't like protestants (forgot to tiptoe) or catholics or atheists who are white. You can separate those things from what he said that is true. You don't have to like him--I personally don't--to see that what he says for blacks makes sense.

Mister D
11-12-2013, 07:11 PM
seems racist?

he called judsiam a 'dirty religion'. he did more to create a rift between blacks and jews than malcolm x ever did, because his stock in trade was divisiveness and he knew he had to make black people forget that it was jews who marched with them for civil rights in order to empower himself and jessie "hymietown" jackson. he was full of racial hatred as well, and it was only after malcolm went to mecca and saw muslims of every shade that he knew he'd been lied to.

Why do you think blacks have come to resent Jews, Jillian? Why does this "rift" exist?

The Xl
11-12-2013, 08:11 PM
you can't separate those things from his anti-semitism because his rhetoric was infected with it.

That still doesn't change the fact that we're run by bankers and the like. Whether they're Jewish or not.

jillian
11-12-2013, 08:20 PM
That still doesn't change the fact that we're run by bankers and the like. Whether they're Jewish or not.

and others will tell you the country is run by the military industrial complex….

the jewish meme is an inextricable part of the fantasy of farrakhan and anti-semites like him and if the word "bankers" is used, it's probably nothing but code.

The Xl
11-12-2013, 08:24 PM
and others will tell you the country is run by the military industrial complex….

the jewish meme is an inextricable part of the fantasy of farrakhan and anti-semites like him and if the word "bankers" is used, it's probably nothing but code.

The MIC certainly has a ton of pull in this country as well.

Cigar
11-12-2013, 08:42 PM
I have no problem with black racialism. He has a good message overall. There is no doubt that he says some questionable things but the media focuses on them instead of the overall gist.

Thank you Mr. The Wash; hey Mr D, do me a favor, google Louis Farrakhan famous quotes?

Then re-read your post here, and by all means, always stick by it. Because I won't let you forget.




Disclaimer: I apologize in advance if anyone's delecate sensibilities is hurt or if some oraface gets inflamed-baited.


:)

Mister D
11-12-2013, 08:46 PM
Thank you Mr. The Wash; hey Mr D, do me a favor, google Louis Farrakhan famous quotes?

The re-read your pot here, and by all means, always stick by it. Because I won't let you forget.



:)

:huh: lol

Oh, that's right. You received an infraction. Your ass must be so chapped. Oh, and I don't "delegate" my sensibilities. :laugh: The Cigar minstrel show is back!

Mister D
11-12-2013, 09:00 PM
Why do you think blacks have come to resent Jews, Jillian? Why does this "rift" exist?

You don't know? Hmmm....let's try another question. Why do you think the US is virtually alone in its fervent support for Israel? What or who could be responsible for that?

Cigar
11-12-2013, 09:05 PM
:huh: lol

Oh, that's right. You received an infraction. Your ass must be so chapped. Oh, and I don't "delegate" my sensibilities. :laugh: The Cigar minstrel show is back!

Careful you may get inflamed

Im just kidding, no way would you get infracted.

Mister D
11-12-2013, 09:07 PM
Careful you my get inflamed

Im just kidding, no way would you get infracted.

What?

Actually, it's happened three times. :laugh:

The Wash
11-12-2013, 09:18 PM
and others will tell you the country is run by the military industrial complex….

the jewish meme is an inextricable part of the fantasy of farrakhan and anti-semites like him and if the word "bankers" is used, it's probably nothing but code.

First, I can appreciate things that he has to say without being in bed with him. I think he has a positive message for the black community. You are not the black community. Second, the Nation's biggest problem is with the Rothschild family not "Jews" but again, that's them. If I hated all white people I wouldn't live in a house with them. I can take the positive that someone says and leave behind the garbage.

Lastly, blacks organized, blacks marched, blacks organized some more, then we protested, our kids were sent to hostile schools...Jews and other white people marched later, but it was our people who organized and did the tough stuff. We were the ones that stuck out. It was our leaders getting shot. This was our movement.

roadmaster
11-13-2013, 02:36 AM
He is a part of black nationalist and is racist as can be. While he may have said some good things to the black community he also spreads hate. I have no respect for the black nationalist party.

roadmaster
11-13-2013, 02:57 AM
http://youtu.be/c_5Bh-IKdro

This is his student.

Terminal Lance
11-13-2013, 09:28 AM
You know my opinion, but then I'm just the white devil who did your laundry while you were laid up and went out and got you redbox and beer.

Kabuki Joe
11-13-2013, 10:23 AM
You don't know? Hmmm....let's try another question. Why do you think the US is virtually alone in its fervent support for Israel? What or who could be responsible for that?


...well, my personal opinion is the US is controlled by the jews and jewish money so it's not a question as to why the US supports Israel...in my mind anyway...

jillian
11-13-2013, 10:24 AM
...well, my personal opinion is the US is controlled by the jews and jewish money so it's not a question as to why the US supports Israel...in my mind anyway...

i'm shocked that you'd be an anti-semite... shocked. let me tell ya.

jillian
11-13-2013, 10:25 AM
You don't know? Hmmm....let's try another question. Why do you think the US is virtually alone in its fervent support for Israel? What or who could be responsible for that?

hateful, ugly people who've been taught to hate whether by their church or their community ... you know the type. right, d?

there was always disgustingness surrounding the refusal of jews to buy the story about jesus being the messiah.

but please, go back and read the protocols of the learned elders of zion. i'm sure you enjoy that one.

Mister D
11-13-2013, 10:29 AM
hateful, ugly people who've been taught to hate whether by their church or their community ... you know the type. right, d?

there was always disgustingness surrounding the refusal of jews to buy the story about jesus being the messiah.

but please, go back and read the protocols of the learned elders of zion. i'm sure you enjoy that one.

You're babbling, sweetheart. So you don't know the answer to this question either?

Mister D
11-13-2013, 10:29 AM
i'm shocked that you'd be an anti-semite... shocked. let me tell ya.

So what creates that perception, Jillian?

Terminal Lance
11-13-2013, 10:56 AM
Why is it antisemitic to say that the majority of the media, Hollywood studio heads, agents, and largest banking family in the world is Jewish? If you hate them because of their religion that would be one thing but pointing something out that is true isn't antisemitic. If you are successful and know how to network then more power to you.

Libhater
11-13-2013, 11:25 AM
Why is it antisemitic to say that the majority of the media, Hollywood studio heads, agents, and largest banking family in the world is Jewish? If you hate them because of their religion that would be one thing but pointing something out that is true isn't antisemitic. If you are successful and know how to network then more power to you.

Great point, and I am quite impressed that a forum rookie has the facts on his side and isn't hesitant to provide those facts on que. You will see that there are a lot of leftists who are quick to call people racists and or anti Semitic simply because they have nothing else of substance to bring to the table. There are a couple of air-headed females here that fit that description rather nicely. You'll run in to them in due time--if you haven't already.

The Wash
11-13-2013, 12:12 PM
Why is it antisemitic to say that the majority of the media, Hollywood studio heads, agents, and largest banking family in the world is Jewish? If you hate them because of their religion that would be one thing but pointing something out that is true isn't antisemitic. If you are successful and know how to network then more power to you.

Exactly, the Rothschilds have joined forces with the Rockefeller family to perpetrate financial consolidation and constrict choice, thus imposing a new financial oligarchy upon the masses. Your average Jew, Catholic, and Protestant are not responsible for the actions of these wicked folk, but they are certainly "not awake" to the constriction of the system and therefore should not be considered "friendlies" until such time as they put forth their criticism of those elite who hold secret door conferences and have firsthand access to our politicians and presidents.

nathanbforrest45
11-13-2013, 05:00 PM
Oh come on Wash. You have always made a lot of sense in this forum but this conspiracy shit is flat ass stupid in my opinion. It isn't one family or one group, its the entire philosophical structure that promotes statism. Its the academics, the media, the government. All who have bought into collectivism either for power or because they mistakenly believe that we will all sit around and sing Kumbaya if only we were all on the same level.

Codename Section
11-13-2013, 05:49 PM
Oh come on Wash. You have always made a lot of sense in this forum but this conspiracy shit is flat ass stupid in my opinion. It isn't one family or one group, its the entire philosophical structure that promotes statism. Its the academics, the media, the government. All who have bought into collectivism either for power or because they mistakenly believe that we will all sit around and sing Kumbaya if only we were all on the same level.


http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rothschild-wearing-mask.jpg



http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Baroness-Marie-Hélène-de-Rothschild-and-Baron-Alexis-de-Redé.jpg


http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rothschild-party-baby-on-table.jpg


Yep. Those elites are just like everybody else.




And that's not even Halloween. :f_whistle:

Kabuki Joe
11-13-2013, 07:03 PM
i'm shocked that you'd be an anti-semite... shocked. let me tell ya.


...how do you get I'm an anti-Semite from that?...

zelmo1234
11-13-2013, 07:22 PM
I'm not saying that 200 years later the kids of George Washington pay up. I'm talking about his attitude towards blacks and getting us to be savers, business owners, and community builders.

On this I would hope that we all could agree.

I have issues with some of the teaching of inner city kids of all race! You can't instill hope without feeding people dreams, It seems to me that we are too busy telling them what they can't do and can't expect, rather than encouraging them to make their own path in life!

Teaching them that America has a dream for all of it's people and that only they can make that dream come true!

Mister D
11-13-2013, 07:54 PM
...how do you get I'm an anti-Semite from that?...

Don't other asking. It's her "knee jerk" response.

Terminal Lance
11-13-2013, 10:10 PM
http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rothschild-wearing-mask.jpg



http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Baroness-Marie-Hélène-de-Rothschild-and-Baron-Alexis-de-Redé.jpg


http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rothschild-party-baby-on-table.jpg


Yep. Those elites are just like everybody else.




And that's not even Halloween. :f_whistle:


I shouldn't have looked. That's creepy. Thanks White.

The Wash
11-13-2013, 11:14 PM
On this I would hope that we all could agree.

I have issues with some of the teaching of inner city kids of all race! You can't instill hope without feeding people dreams, It seems to me that we are too busy telling them what they can't do and can't expect, rather than encouraging them to make their own path in life!

Teaching them that America has a dream for all of it's people and that only they can make that dream come true!

America doesn't have a dream for all people. I think people need to develop their own dreams outside this system. Blacks in particular need to come together, support, and instruct each other. Black kids today do not know accurate history because you got fools pumping into their heads that the "government" gave them rights in the 1960s. No. Blacks asserted their rights. When blacks believe everything they are comes from the government that removes power from blacks. I want a return to black power movements.

Feel free to have white power. I don't have a problem with that, either.

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 03:13 AM
Black kids today do not know accurate history because you got fools pumping into their heads that the "government" gave them rights in the 1960s The Nationalist don't seem to know History. Who were the first slave owners, blacks. Did the confederate flag ever fly over a slave ship, NO. Who was the biggest slave owner in SC a black man that owned over 200 slaves. Less than 1% of the south owned slaves the north many. Who stated trouble in the South after the civil war, people came from the north to stir up trouble acting like the KKK. Their are more blacks willing to fly the confederate flag in the south because they know the truth. These History writers can't keep lying to the kids with computers now and they can trace their roots and brave men that fought for the south.

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 03:41 AM
http://youtu.be/YF-QIJyLhKQ

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 03:44 AM
http://youtu.be/AYzAqHD1gHc


Educate yourself before following the blind.

Libhater
11-14-2013, 06:59 AM
America doesn't have a dream for all people. I think people need to develop their own dreams outside this system. Blacks in particular need to come together, support, and instruct each other. Black kids today do not know accurate history because you got fools pumping into their heads that the "government" gave them rights in the 1960s. No. Blacks asserted their rights. When blacks believe everything they are comes from the government that removes power from blacks. I want a return to black power movements.

Feel free to have white power. I don't have a problem with that, either.

Too bad that other blacks (like the other one on this forum) don't share your view on government dependency. Government dependency hurts all people regardless of race, but it is a fact that it hurts blacks even more so. 'Black' and or 'White' power is a good thing if it is done without hurting the other race. This is where I have a problem with people like the racist Farrakhan. I won't go into all of the racist remarks of his and of obummer's friend the reverend Wright, but those two among others like the race baiters Jessie jackhole and al sharpless are in my opinion bad for black people and dangerous race pimps. I'm thinking that with your detestation of government that you would be a Conservative. Am I right?

The Wash
11-14-2013, 11:43 AM
The Nationalist don't seem to know History. Who were the first slave owners, blacks. Did the confederate flag ever fly over a slave ship, NO. Who was the biggest slave owner in SC a black man that owned over 200 slaves. Less than 1% of the south owned slaves the north many. Who stated trouble in the South after the civil war, people came from the north to stir up trouble acting like the KKK. Their are more blacks willing to fly the confederate flag in the south because they know the truth. These History writers can't keep lying to the kids with computers now and they can trace their roots and brave men that fought for the south.

A lot of this is delusional, no offense.

Captain Obvious
11-14-2013, 11:43 AM
...how do you get I'm an anti-Semite from that?...

Probably an assumption considering you have proven to be a racist and a homophobe.

Maybe bounce that off of one of your joo dood friends.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 11:44 AM
Too bad that other blacks (like the other one on this forum) don't share your view on government dependency. Government dependency hurts all people regardless of race, but it is a fact that it hurts blacks even more so. 'Black' and or 'White' power is a good thing if it is done without hurting the other race. This is where I have a problem with people like the racist Farrakhan. I won't go into all of the racist remarks of his and of obummer's friend the reverend Wright, but those two among others like the race baiters Jessie jackhole and al sharpless are in my opinion bad for black people and dangerous race pimps. I'm thinking that with your detestation of government that you would be a Conservative. Am I right?

If I would label myself it would be independent, but I swing libertarian.

jillian
11-14-2013, 11:46 AM
...how do you get I'm an anti-Semite from that?...


because the whole "the jews control everything" garbage is one of the first signs of an anti-semite.

and feel free to let me know how 1.5% of the world's population runs everything when the banks are all run by white anglo saxon protestants, there has never been a jewish president and the only country in the world that is a jewish country is the size of new jersey.

then ask again how i "get" that you're an anti-semite.

and, please, allow me to second captain obvious' observation above at post 61.

Kabuki Joe
11-14-2013, 11:46 AM
Probably an assumption considering you have proven to be a racist and a homophobe.

Maybe bounce that off of one of your joo dood friends.


...I really was hoping that a sexual deviant like you would put me on ignore by now... :(

The Wash
11-14-2013, 11:48 AM
because the whole "the jews control everything" garbage is one of the first signs of an anti-semite.

Why if it's true? Dude, I'd be happy with those kinds of networks that Jews have running. I WISH black people were that organized. The Jews DO run Hollywood. Look at the names of studio heads, agents, lawyers, and comic actors.

Aint nothing to be ashamed of. Most groups should network and organize like that.

Captain Obvious
11-14-2013, 11:48 AM
...I really was hoping that a sexual deviant like you would put me on ignore by now... :(

Your definition of sexual deviancy is anyone who has sex with anything other than your hairy, cement-scraped knuckles.

jillian
11-14-2013, 11:49 AM
A lot of this is delusional, no offense.


Mr. Wash, meet roadmaster...

Mister D
11-14-2013, 11:49 AM
because the whole "the jews control everything" garbage is one of the first signs of an anti-semite.

and feel free to let me know how 1.5% of the world's population runs everything when the banks are all run by white anglo saxon protestants, there has never been a jewish president and the only country in the world that is a jewish country is the size of new jersey.

then ask again how i "get" that you're an anti-semite.

and, please, allow me to second captain obvious' observation above at post 61.

It's precisely this denial of Jewish influence that leads to exaggerations of Jewish control. Just an FYI.

Mister D
11-14-2013, 11:51 AM
Why if it's true? Dude, I'd be happy with those kinds of networks that Jews have running. I WISH black people were that organized. The Jews DO run Hollywood. Look at the names of studio heads, agents, lawyers, and comic actors.

Aint nothing to be ashamed of. Most groups should network and organize like that.

Of course the Jews run Hollywood. Yes, most groups should but the Jews will of course say that's racist while doing it themselves.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 11:52 AM
How'd this thread turn into a thread about Jews instead of being about black people and what we need to get moving? I guess if we want to say there's a lot we could learn from Jews it makes sense.

Kabuki Joe
11-14-2013, 11:54 AM
because the whole "the jews control everything" garbage is one of the first signs of an anti-semite.

and feel free to let me know how 1.5% of the world's population runs everything when the banks are all run by white anglo saxon protestants, there has never been a jewish president and the only country in the world that is a jewish country is the size of new jersey.

then ask again how i "get" that you're an anti-semite.

and, please, allow me to second captain obvious' observation above at post 61.

...I'm pro Israel...I'm pro jew...and the only problem I have with jews is they are liberals...

Mister D
11-14-2013, 11:54 AM
How'd this thread turn into a thread about Jews instead of being about black people and what we need to get moving? I guess if we want to say there's a lot we could learn from Jews it makes sense.

It started here.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/18710-People-asked-about-Louis-Farrakhan-earlier-what-s-wrong-with-this?p=421597&viewfull=1#post421597

The Jews aren't fond of Farrakhan. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Captain Obvious
11-14-2013, 11:55 AM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsLqNtIc6QEjgBXZbIRmwByFeLEZW4v HoLpZ86v2WsmmcM5SF-xw

Kabuki Joe
11-14-2013, 11:56 AM
Your definition of sexual deviancy is anyone who has sex with anything other than your hairy, cement-scraped knuckles.

...coming from someone that is vulgar and watches porn with his wife, I approve this message!...

Mister D
11-14-2013, 11:57 AM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsLqNtIc6QEjgBXZbIRmwByFeLEZW4v HoLpZ86v2WsmmcM5SF-xw

If it's no big deal there is no reason to deny it.

jillian
11-14-2013, 12:00 PM
How'd this thread turn into a thread about Jews instead of being about black people and what we need to get moving? I guess if we want to say there's a lot we could learn from Jews it makes sense.

it's because certain anti-semites on the board like making any discussion about their own particular brand of racial hatred.

in d's case, he's an equal opportunity hater... he thinks jews run everything and blacks are inferior. so any time i post he thinks it's incumbant upon him to talk about jews. you'll find when you're around, he'll talk about blacks.

he's a heck of a guy

Mister D
11-14-2013, 12:03 PM
it's because certain anti-semites on the board like making any discussion about their own particular brand of racial hatred.

in d's case, he's an equal opportunity hater... he thinks jews run everything and blacks are inferior. so any time i post he thinks it's incumbant upon him to talk about jews. you'll find when you're around, he'll talk about blacks.

he's a heck of a guy

You started the discussion about Jews, Jillian. :smiley:

Mister D
11-14-2013, 12:04 PM
So, Jillian, why don't you tell us all how you set black people free. We love that story.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 12:04 PM
Jews did start most of the world's major banks so that's why they're associated with bankers. WWII ended that so there's really only the Rothschilds now.

I still don't see why they are all clandestine and shit about it. We have to do 20 million DNA tests to claim the pyramids and they keep trying to pretend they didn't start the banks.

Be proud of historical accomplishments. When you're not people think something's up.

Captain Obvious
11-14-2013, 12:05 PM
...coming from someone that is vulgar and watches porn with his wife, I approve this message!...

She's getting tied up and gagged this weekend.

Her idea. Who am I to say no?

The Wash
11-14-2013, 12:05 PM
So, Jillian, why don't you tell us all how you set black people free. We love that story.

Black people set black people free.

Captain Obvious
11-14-2013, 12:06 PM
If it's no big deal there is no reason to deny it.

Agreed.

Howard Stern has some great takes about Jews and Hollywood.

Mister D
11-14-2013, 12:08 PM
Agreed.

Howard Stern has some great takes about Jews and Hollywood.

I haven't heard any Stern in close to 6-7 years now.

Mister D
11-14-2013, 12:12 PM
Black people set black people free.

If you hadn't organized and marched, yes, it's doubtful anything would have changed. What Jillian is trying to say that the goodwill of many white Americans was important. She just has a habit of saying it in the most patronizing way she can manage. What she doesn't understand is that it denies your people dignity and independence. And the fool calls me the racist.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 12:14 PM
If you hadn't organized and marched, yes, it's doubtful anything would have changed. What Jillian is trying to say that goodwill of many white Americans was important. She just has a habit of saying it in the most patronizing way she can manage. What she doesn't understand is that denies your people dignity and independence. And the fool calls me the racist.

It's not just her. I get that from a lot of white people.

Mister D
11-14-2013, 12:16 PM
It's not just her. I get that from a lot of white people.

I don't doubt it.

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 01:30 PM
Mr. Wash, meet roadmaster... Now they have it right about the Jews owning Hollywood and the denial of them being in the slave trade but he needs to look at all sides and facts first. The first slaves in America were white.

jillian
11-14-2013, 01:35 PM
Now they have it right about the Jews owning Hollywood and the denial of them being in the slave trade but he needs to look at all sides and facts first. The first slaves in America were white.


of course they do... and we're all going to hell

feel better?

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 01:41 PM
of course they do... and we're all going to hell

feel better? Hide it all you want but people are not blind and it's not racist to tell the truth. It does breed anger when groups won't admit they were in the slave trade also. Native Americans, Irish, and blacks were slaves or servants back then.

Mister D
11-14-2013, 01:44 PM
of course they do... and we're all going to hell

feel better?
roadmaster you understood this?

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 01:57 PM
@roadmaster (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=87) you understood this?

No some don't want to discuss or admit when they are wrong. Mr. Wash wanted to learn from them when he needs to remember is that our government gives people not born here more opportunities than the ones who were. They get the loans, welfare and know how to play the system. People can come here with $50 in their pocket and build a business where $50 in our pockets won't get us anything.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 03:39 PM
No some don't want to discuss or admit when they are wrong. Mr. Wash wanted to learn from them when he needs to remember is that our government gives people not born here more opportunities than the ones who were. They get the loans, welfare and know how to play the system. People can come here with $50 in their pocket and build a business where $50 in our pockets won't get us anything.

I'm sure this means something to somebody, but I don't understand what you just said.

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 03:56 PM
I'm sure this means something to somebody, but I don't understand what you just said. Then give a white or black man ect $50 and tell them to start a business that was born here. They don't fall under special loans but a person not from here does. Look at southern LA and tell me how many new businesses are black owned. It's not that they don't want to own them, the banks won't loan to them. Research and then tell me how many people that crossed the border and others from different countries got new loans and businesses.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 04:05 PM
Then give a white or black man ect $50 and tell them to start a business that was born here. They don't fall under special loans but a person not from here does. Look at southern LA and tell me how many new businesses are black owned. It's not that they don't want to own them, the banks won't loan to them. Research and then tell me how many people that crossed the border and others from different countries got new loans and businesses.

Oh I see. I wasn't sure how we got on this subject. Thanks.

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 04:06 PM
Black people set black people free. That you are correct. Strong black men and women need to lead the black community. Not with hate for others but honor and respect for one another. The only ones who can help is the black community.

Libhater
11-14-2013, 04:54 PM
That you are correct. Strong black men and women need to lead the black community. Not with hate for others but honor and respect for one another. The only ones who can help is the black community.

More specifically, the only black people who can help the black populace are Conservative blacks.

The Xl
11-14-2013, 07:16 PM
That you are correct. Strong black men and women need to lead the black community. Not with hate for others but honor and respect for one another. The only ones who can help is the black community.

I think a problem with humanity, and not just blacks, is this fallacy that they need a leader. Why do blacks need to worship Obama, or Jackson, or whoever the fuck? It's the same sort of nonsense that has put whites in a hole, albeit not as large. You shouldn't take what people like Limbaugh, Beck, etc, say as gospel.

People need to be their own leaders.

roadmaster
11-14-2013, 08:11 PM
I think a problem with humanity, and not just blacks, is this fallacy that they need a leader. Why do blacks need to worship Obama, or Jackson, or whoever the fuck? It's the same sort of nonsense that has put whites in a hole, albeit not as large. You shouldn't take what people like Limbaugh, Beck, etc, say as gospel.

People need to be their own leaders. They don't need one leader just good leaders in the community or good role models. The black on black crime is bad in many and whites ect also need good role models for their children.

The Wash
11-14-2013, 10:25 PM
I think a problem with humanity, and not just blacks, is this fallacy that they need a leader. Why do blacks need to worship Obama, or Jackson, or whoever the fuck? It's the same sort of nonsense that has put whites in a hole, albeit not as large. You shouldn't take what people like Limbaugh, Beck, etc, say as gospel.

People need to be their own leaders.

They do but not everybody was born with that disposition. You ever take a temperament or personality test?

The Sage of Main Street
11-15-2013, 01:32 PM
Black people set black people free.

Only in Haiti. And look how that turned out.

Codename Section
11-15-2013, 01:39 PM
No, dude. I'm disagreeing with you. Blacks did organize all throughout the 1950s and pushed and pushed until whites decided to help out.

The Sage of Main Street
11-15-2013, 01:40 PM
That you are correct. Strong black men and women need to lead the black community. Not with hate for others but honor and respect for one another. The only ones who can help is the black community.

This is thrown up just to make you feel good. Sure, there are a few Blacks capable of that, but they won't be listened to. Most of the others who seem to fit in that category wind up betraying their own self-identity by supporting the lazy and violent. This is a lot like the excuse for not doing anything about Iran in the hope that the "moderate Iranians" will take over.

Codename Section
11-15-2013, 01:41 PM
This is thrown up just to make you feel good. Sure, there are a few Blacks capable of that, but they won't be listened to. Most of the others who seem to fit in that category wind up betraying their own self-identity by supporting the lazy and violent. This is a lot like the excuse for not doing anything about Iran in the hope that the "moderate Iranians" will take over.

You're not saying we should "do something" about Iran, are you?

Iran may attack Israel but they aren't going to lob a weapon at the US.

roadmaster
11-15-2013, 06:20 PM
This is thrown up just to make you feel good. Sure, there are a few Blacks capable of that, but they won't be listened to. Most of the others who seem to fit in that category wind up betraying their own self-identity by supporting the lazy and violent. This is a lot like the excuse for not doing anything about Iran in the hope that the "moderate Iranians" will take over. They have an uphill battle no doubt. I said this is what they need to do and there are some trying but making little progress. Making someone like the OP put here as a good black leader is going the opposite way because his students teach violence, hate and are worse or more dangerous than the NBPP.

The Sage of Main Street
11-16-2013, 11:10 AM
You're not saying we should "do something" about Iran, are you?

Iran may attack Israel but they aren't going to lob a weapon at the US.

Israel Is Our Shield

The Sage of Main Street
11-16-2013, 11:14 AM
They have an uphill battle no doubt. I said this is what they need to do and there are some trying but making little progress. Making someone like the OP put here as a good black leader is going the opposite way because his students teach violence, hate and are worse or more dangerous than the NBPP.

Islam is the Religion of Cain. Choosing that thieves' creed automatically disqualifies this movement.

Common
11-17-2013, 12:06 AM
Farrakhan is older and quite wealthy and living large. He is no saint and never has been.
There were thoughts that Farrakhan at the behest of the then leader and founder of the Nation of Islam Elijah Muhammed who considered Malcom X a son and tutored and mentored him was behind his murder.
Elijah Muhammed had felt betrayed by Malcom X.

When the nation of islam started its roots in Maximum security prisons in NY and Jersey other factions sprouted up that were in conflict with each other. New World of Islam being one of the most notorious and the American Sunnis. While they all taught not to use drugs and alcohol and had physical and fight training as discipline they were means of control. The factions had at each other not only in prison but in the street and were quite violent.

The New World of Islam had shabazz a minster of the Nation of islam that touched off a war in the streets of Newark and NYC and resulted in some murders and a beheading or two.

Farrakhan was very much of that culture of violence and to me hes no saint and does not deserve praise

The Sage of Main Street
11-17-2013, 04:45 PM
Farrakhan is older and quite wealthy and living large. He is no saint and never has been.
There were thoughts that Farrakhan at the behest of the then leader and founder of the Nation of Islam Elijah Muhammed who considered Malcom X a son and tutored and mentored him was behind his murder.
Elijah Muhammed had felt betrayed by Malcom X.

When the nation of islam started its roots in Maximum security prisons in NY and Jersey other factions sprouted up that were in conflict with each other. New World of Islam being one of the most notorious and the American Sunnis. While they all taught not to use drugs and alcohol and had physical and fight training as discipline they were means of control. The factions had at each other not only in prison but in the street and were quite violent.

The New World of Islam had shabazz a minster of the Nation of islam that touched off a war in the streets of Newark and NYC and resulted in some murders and a beheading or two.

Farrakhan was very much of that culture of violence and to me hes no saint and does not deserve praise

Malcolm X started out as a common street thug. Subhumans like that never change; they only dress better.

Common
11-17-2013, 04:51 PM
No some don't want to discuss or admit when they are wrong. Mr. Wash wanted to learn from them when he needs to remember is that our government gives people not born here more opportunities than the ones who were. They get the loans, welfare and know how to play the system. People can come here with $50 in their pocket and build a business where $50 in our pockets won't get us anything.

I agree and thats garbage and infuriates me, there is no doubt that illegals and immigrants in general get alot of our tax money that is not available to us.

Common
11-17-2013, 04:53 PM
Malcolm X started out as a common street thug. Subhumans like that never change; they only dress better.

heh theres alot of everything that started out as street thugs. Hells Kitchen and all sections of NYC were all white bastions of crime before they were black.

The Wash
11-17-2013, 04:58 PM
Malcolm X started out as a common street thug. Subhumans like that never change; they only dress better.

I started out at a common street thug. I am better but I dress the same. Thanks for your generalization but I'll keep my own counsel and opinion on this matter.

The Sage of Main Street
11-18-2013, 10:09 AM
heh theres alot of everything that started out as street thugs. Hells Kitchen and all sections of NYC were all white bastions of crime before they were black.

The criminals from those neighborhoods wound up nowhere and left no children. Don't believe that Gangs of New York crap that the DiCaprio character would start all over in California as a law-abiding citizen. Or Eric Hoffer's nonsense about losers settling the frontier.

Alyosha
11-18-2013, 10:15 AM
How do people come back from war and stop killing others?

roadmaster
11-19-2013, 02:16 PM
Farrakhan is older and quite wealthy and living large. He is no saint and never has been.
There were thoughts that Farrakhan at the behest of the then leader and founder of the Nation of Islam Elijah Muhammed who considered Malcom X a son and tutored and mentored him was behind his murder.
Elijah Muhammed had felt betrayed by Malcom X.

When the nation of islam started its roots in Maximum security prisons in NY and Jersey other factions sprouted up that were in conflict with each other. New World of Islam being one of the most notorious and the American Sunnis. While they all taught not to use drugs and alcohol and had physical and fight training as discipline they were means of control. The factions had at each other not only in prison but in the street and were quite violent.

The New World of Islam had shabazz a minster of the Nation of islam that touched off a war in the streets of Newark and NYC and resulted in some murders and a beheading or two.

Farrakhan was very much of that culture of violence and to me hes no saint and does not deserve praise

Muhammed I do believe was behind Malcom X killing. Farrakhan also claims that blacks made white people in test tubes. There were more millionaires in the black community in the redistricting where they got land and prospered then in the civil rights movement. Just look at the places that use to be black owned businesses and now are not. There are a lot of blacks that follow Farrakhan in his hate for others.