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Cigar
11-18-2013, 08:53 AM
Why Republicans Suddenly Care About Canceled Health Policies

Amid the current national uproar over the troubles of the Affordable Care Act, it is almost uplifting to hear the deep concern expressed by politicians, pundits, lobbyists and corporate leaders over cancellation of existing health insurance policies. They empathize loudly with the millions of potential victims, whose plight infuriates these worthy observers with fury. They fill hours of television and pages of print with expressions of outrage. Suddenly, everyone in Washington is intensely concerned about Americans losing their health coverage.

The outpouring of noble sentiment would be laudable—indeed, long overdue—if only there were reason to believe these protestations are sincere. Sadly, the evidence points in the opposite direction, for a single obvious reason: Millions of people in this country have been losing health insurance for years, resulting in many thousands of serious illnesses, bankruptcies and early deaths. But until insurance cancellations became a political embarrassment for President Barack Obama, the usual right-wing reaction was silence. (Except for that awkward and revealing outburst during the 2012 Republican debates when a live audience howled its approval for the “let him die” plan.)

For anyone who has ever honestly cared about people losing their health coverage—for instance, Obama or his Democratic predecessor, former President Bill Clinton—the depressing statistical reality has long been plain. Every day, thousands of Americans leave the rolls of the private insurance industry, almost never voluntarily.

People often forfeit insurance after losing a job, which happened to millions during the Great Recession. At its height, when tea party Republicans were fighting to kill Obamacare in the cradle, more than 44,000 people were losing their health coverage every week. In May 2009, the policy journal Health Affairs published a projection that nearly 7 million Americans would lose coverage by the end of 2010.


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_republicans_suddenly_care_about_canceled_healt h_policies_20131115

Captain Obvious
11-18-2013, 09:06 AM
Bigger news would be if someone suddenly cared about your troll-bait threads.

Common
11-18-2013, 09:12 AM
I wish you would care about others troll bait threads just as much Capt, cigar posting articles is no different than what some others do with the same regularity for the other persuasions benefit.

Cigar
11-18-2013, 09:18 AM
Bigger news would be if someone suddenly cared about your troll-bait threads.

Why does the article inflame you? :wink:

Captain Obvious
11-18-2013, 09:21 AM
Why does the article inflame you? :wink:

Incorrect assumption - like 98% of your other stuff, I didn't read it.

Except for the headline, that's as far as I generally get.

patrickt
11-18-2013, 11:17 AM
Would the nitwit who started this post let us know when the last time the insurance industry was ordered, forced, mandated, to cancel millions of policies and replace them with policies costing much more, often more than twice as much?

It's a shame that some have zero interest in the 85% of the population who were happy with their insurance. Liberals can't allow that, can they? We could have simply addressed the alleged 30 million without insurance, oh, by expanding Medicaid, but that wouldn't have allowed the socialists to head to total government control, would it?

But, remember folks, if you like your insurance policy, you get to keep it, period.

Common
11-18-2013, 11:20 AM
Would the nitwit that likes to call others nitwits let us know when the republican party is going to try and give americans with no health coverage, some coverage and stop bending over for the insurance lobby and everyone else who makes their fortune off of others misery.
I wont hold my breath waiting

Cigar
11-18-2013, 11:21 AM
Would the nitwit that likes to call others nitwits let us know when the republican party is going to try and give americans with no health coverage, some coverage and stop bending over for the insurance lobby and everyone else who makes their fortune off of others misery.
I wont hold my breath waiting

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131118-the-gops-long-term-obamacare-problem-in-a-nutshell.jpg

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Codename Section
11-18-2013, 11:24 AM
I guess it's like Democrats when they stopped caring about spying because Obama was in office.

Dems and Reps get to play the hypocrite game while the rest of us remain hostage to their bitch fest. Joy.

Cigar
11-18-2013, 11:30 AM
I guess it's like Democrats when they stopped caring about spying because Obama was in office.

Dems and Reps get to play the hypocrite game while the rest of us remain hostage to their bitch fest. Joy.

Names, we need Names: Who stopped caring about spying?

Not this Democrat or any the I know.

Trinnity
11-18-2013, 11:33 AM
Bigger news would be if someone suddenly cared about your troll-bait threads.

Don't distract him, Cap, he'll hurt himself.
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Trinnity
11-18-2013, 11:38 AM
Would the nitwit who started this post let us know when the last time the insurance industry was ordered, forced, mandated, to cancel millions of policies and replace them with policies costing much more, often more than twice as much?

But, remember folks, if you like your insurance policy, you get to keep it, period.

http://www.realitystarbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/NeNe-Leakes-Bam-Gif.gif

Codename Section
11-18-2013, 11:48 AM
Names, we need Names: Who stopped caring about spying?

Not this Democrat or any the I know.

Condemn it then. Honestly Cigar if you condemned it without saying "...but Bush did it first" I would have 100% top respect for you.

Cigar
11-18-2013, 11:53 AM
http://www.realitystarbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/NeNe-Leakes-Bam-Gif.gif

Look who Trolls-In ... then Runs like a Rabbit. :laugh:

Trinnity the Dancing Bear. :grin:

Cigar
11-18-2013, 11:53 AM
Condemn it then. Honestly @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) if you condemned it without saying "...but Bush did it first" I would have 100% top respect for you.

Condemn what?

patrickt
11-18-2013, 12:05 PM
Would the nitwit that likes to call others nitwits let us know when the republican party is going to try and give americans with no health coverage, some coverage and stop bending over for the insurance lobby and everyone else who makes their fortune off of others misery.
I wont hold my breath waiting

Can't answer the question, huh? I'm not surprised. So, when was the last time the government ordered insurance companies to cancel millions of policies and replace them with policies costing often more than twice as much?

Now, Common, lean forward and assume the position for Glorious Leader

zelmo1234
11-18-2013, 12:11 PM
Would the nitwit that likes to call others nitwits let us know when the republican party is going to try and give americans with no health coverage, some coverage and stop bending over for the insurance lobby and everyone else who makes their fortune off of others misery.
I wont hold my breath waiting

Well allowing for greater tax deductions for companies providing insurance would have increased the numbers of people that had insurance.

Changing those that are paying for their own insurance from a tax deduction to a tax credit would have helped,

Allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines would have lowered costs. and maybe would have insurance more people.

The ACA will insurance fewer people Million fewer at higher prices for less coverage? Are you defending that policy??

Tort reform, would have lowered petty settlements and lowered the price of insurance, and that would have insured more people!

I don't think that you are. But saying that Republicans did not propose anything that would have insured more people is not being real truthful.

Now would everyone have insurance under their plan? NO! but more people would have had insurance! Under the ACA we will have fewer people that have insurance!

Chris
11-18-2013, 12:18 PM
I suppose they care now because Obama screwed up and people are losing their insurance.

Common
11-18-2013, 12:25 PM
Can't answer the question, huh? I'm not surprised. So, when was the last time the government ordered insurance companies to cancel millions of policies and replace them with policies costing often more than twice as much?

Now, Common, lean forward and assume the position for Glorious Leader

You never asked me the question and I didnt start the thread, I responded to your typical expected slur.

Do they have national health care in Mexico ? or do you have gubbermint health insurance through your gubbermint pension or do they take our gubbermint medicare in mexico or do you slither back over the border to the US for healthcare then slither on back

Common
11-18-2013, 12:28 PM
Well allowing for greater tax deductions for companies providing insurance would have increased the numbers of people that had insurance.

Changing those that are paying for their own insurance from a tax deduction to a tax credit would have helped,

Allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines would have lowered costs. and maybe would have insurance more people.

The ACA will insurance fewer people Million fewer at higher prices for less coverage? Are you defending that policy??

Tort reform, would have lowered petty settlements and lowered the price of insurance, and that would have insured more people!

I don't think that you are. But saying that Republicans did not propose anything that would have insured more people is not being real truthful.

Now would everyone have insurance under their plan? NO! but more people would have had insurance! Under the ACA we will have fewer people that have insurance!

I meant republicans in congress not individuals zelmo, tax credits dont help people that are out of work zelmo.

My entire point is this, the republicans rail on big govt and how they hate it, yet they fight like dogs to keep it big and that goes for the teaparty, The wont get rid of big business subsidies. The want to keep giving extra billions to charity care hospitals and insurance companies that costs the govt billions.

I dont get how you can demand smaller govt than fight to keep it big. Covering everyone with healthcare is CHEAPER on the taxpayers than wtf we have going on right now.

bladimz
11-18-2013, 12:55 PM
Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov website confirmed

Yesterday, the House Homeland Security Committee published a video on their Youtube page highlighting a portion of the committee questioning Roberta Stempfley, acting assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Cyber-security and Communications, who confirmed at least 16 attacks on the Affordable Care Act’s portal Healthcare.gov website in 2013.

Roberta Stempfley highlighted one successful attack that is designed to deny access to the website called a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack. A DDoS attack is designed to make a network unavailable to intended users, generally through a concerted effort to disrupt service such as repeatedly accessing the servers, saturating them with more traffic than the website is designed to handle.

Right wingers have been distributing the link to the necessary tools to perform the attacks on the Healthcare.gov website through social networking, as pointed out by Information Week, and other websites.
http://www.examiner.com/article/right-wing-cyber-attacks-on-healthcare-gov-website-confirmed?cid=db_articles

There's no question that the website has had it's problems, and this is one reason why.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPaf0WK2mW0

nic34
11-18-2013, 01:36 PM
Well allowing for greater tax deductions for companies providing insurance would have increased the numbers of people that had insurance.

Changing those that are paying for their own insurance from a tax deduction to a tax credit would have helped,

Allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines would have lowered costs. and maybe would have insurance more people.

The ACA will insurance fewer people Million fewer at higher prices for less coverage? Are you defending that policy??

Tort reform, would have lowered petty settlements and lowered the price of insurance, and that would have insured more people!

I don't think that you are. But saying that Republicans did not propose anything that would have insured more people is not being real truthful.

Now would everyone have insurance under their plan? NO! but more people would have had insurance! Under the ACA we will have fewer people that have insurance!

None of what you said is backed up, I see. Maybe zel, you should check out the facts a little more, because a lot of your concerns are already addressed...

- Premium Tax Credits for Small Businesses 2014 (not a tax)

- many uninsured will be exempt from the Individual mandate due to income, offered cost assistance through the marketplace including Tax Credits (also available to small businesses)

- Small businesses with less than 25 full-time equivalent employees will have access to tax credits to reduce premium costs of group plans.

- Premium tax credits are a form of cost assistance that reduce premium costs for coverage purchased on your State's "health insurance marketplace" for individuals, families, and small businesses.

- Advanced Premium Tax Credits for Individuals and Families

- Selling insurance across State lines has long been proposed as an option to increase competition and choices in health insurance, but there are serious pitfalls with this approach when it is not coupled with adequate consumer protections. The Affordable Care Act allows health care to be sold across State lines when both States agree and consumer protections are maintained.


http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes.php

http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/2011/05/t20110525a.html